the marine park industry has been selling,catching and trading marine mammals for years.but for wat?education?have you ever been to a marine park and seen a dolphin show?how much of that show is education?though sea world is a breeding program,there are still parks that may not catch the animals themselves,but import them just the same.all dolphins and whales have been proven to have a sense of self.thats something that only primates have been known to show.dolphins are extremely intelligent and have strong family bonds.during capture,families are seperated.wat does this say about us as a species?that we think its ok to put a creature like that in a box for our entertainment.its biologically unhealthy for them and very stressful.look at it from their point of view and realize YOU GET TO GO HOME AT NIGHT,THEY DONT.

link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEAjqq83CG0

so,the Marine Parks should just let all these animals back into the wild so they can find their sense of self again?
Do you have any idea what would happen if they did? A good portion if not all of them would die. They would have no "family" to return to and have become used to and dependent upon humans to feed them therefore they don't know or remember how to hunt their own food. Not to mention having been sheltered from their natural prey the animals wouldn't know how to defend themselves in a dangerous situation. While not everyone is going to agree and I personally don't care,I say leave it alone and quit bitching about whether it's "educational" or not. Of course it's not,it's a THEME PARK it's meant for fun.

so,the Marine Parks should just let all these animals back into the wild so they can find their sense of self again?
Do you have any idea what would happen if they did? A good portion if not all of them would die. They would have no "family" to return to and have become used to and dependent upon humans to feed them therefore they don't know or remember how to hunt their own food. Not to mention having been sheltered from their natural prey the animals wouldn't know how to defend themselves in a dangerous situation. While not everyone is going to agree and I personally don't care,I say leave it alone and quit bitching about whether it's "educational" or not. Of course it's not,it's a THEME PARK it's meant for fun.

Ok, I wasn't gonna post today but this topic is an absolute must.

Michelle, you say it's meant for FUN, but do you realize how competely selfish that is?

Sure, It's 'fun' for ignorant humans, but it certainly isn't FUN for the captive animals that were taken from their natural environment, separated from their families and held in a cement pool against their will.

It's the same as you being put in JAIL for the rest of your life, away from your loved ones and being gawked at all day long, is that would you would call fun?

Good grief, this topic touches a very strong nerve with me and I've done many protests against zoos, marine parks, rodeos and factory farms and I don't regret it at all.

<<<so,the Marine Parks should just let all these animals back into the wild so they can find their sense of self again?>>>

You are missing the point completely. How about... NOT CAPTURING THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE AND PUTTING THEM ON DISPLAY AND MAKE THEM DO STUPID TRICKS FOR THE LOWLY FUKKING HUMANS THAT GET OFF ON SUCH ANIMAL CRUELTY?

I cannot even fathom how some people think... or don't think.

Michelle, I'm sorry for BITCHING but yer post made me very upset.

Ok, I wasn't gonna post today but this topic is an absolute must.

Michelle, you say it's meant for FUN, but do you realize how competely selfish that is?

Sure, It's 'fun' for ignorant humans, but it certainly isn't FUN for the captive animals that were taken from their natural environment, separated from their families and held in a cement pool against their will.

It's the same as you being put in JAIL for the rest of your life, away from your loved ones and being gawked at all day long, is that would you would call fun?

Good grief, this topic touches a very strong nerve with me and I've done many protests against zoos, marine parks, rodeos and factory farms and I don't regret it at all.

<<<so,the Marine Parks should just let all these animals back into the wild so they can find their sense of self again?>>>

You are missing the point completely. How about... NOT CAPTURING THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE AND PUTTING THEM ON DISPLAY AND MAKE THEM DO STUPID TRICKS FOR THE LOWLY FUKKING HUMANS THAT GET OFF ON SUCH ANIMAL CRUELTY?

I cannot even fathom how some people think... or don't think.

Michelle, I'm sorry for BITCHING but yer post made me very upset.


Scummy.......I haven't been to a theme park in 12 years......I have no desire to go to one. I do understand what you are saying about them being put on display and everything. I don't condone it in any way. Yes,there shouldn't be anymore animals captured for humans fun,but the sad fact is,it does happen and will continue to happen because most people don't see this the way you do,they only see dollar signs.

I just think that once an animal has been in captivity for a long time and letting it go suddenly is doing the animal more harm than good. We're not going to agree on this completely or maybe not at all and that doesn't bother me nor do I think your bitching at me. You hold very strong beliefs on this subject as do I and all I can do is respect those as I would hope you respect mine.

Scummy.......I haven't been to a theme park in 12 years......I have no desire to go to one. I do understand what you are saying about them being put on display and everything. I don't condone it in any way. Yes,there shouldn't be anymore animals captured for humans fun,but the sad fact is,it does happen and will continue to happen because most people don't see this the way you do,they only see dollar signs.

I just think that once an animal has been in captivity for a long time and letting it go suddenly is doing the animal more harm than good. We're not going to agree on this completely or maybe not at all and that doesn't bother me nor do I think your bitching at me. You hold very strong beliefs on this subject as do I and all I can do is respect those as I would hope you respect mine.



Wow Michelle. You are truly a very understanding person and I thank you for that. I was at another site just now tryig to steal, I mean download some music and I felt bad about how I lashed out at you.

Believe it or not, it wasn't actually YOU I was lashing out at, it was the uncaring mentality you conveyed..... no wait, that doesn't sound good. Lemme try again.

I think you are a very nice lady and I enjoy talking to you but some of the things you said, I may have taken too deeply. I know yer a caring person and I'm glad you don't condone such atrocities as putting animals on display for 'our' amusement.

<<<I just think that once an animal has been in captivity for a long time and letting it go suddenly is doing the animal more harm than good.>>>

Yes, that is most likely the case but it sure burns my ass that they keep capturing aquatic animals and taking their natural lives away from them forever. And monkeys, and birds, and tigers, and snakes... the list goes on.

Anyway, I'm glad you aren't mad at me. I can be a pistol sometimes but I meant you no harm and I'm relieved you are so understanding :) :)

aawww.....no one can be mad at you Scummy

I know people have different opinions on things,sheesh,this would be a very boring world indeed if we all thought the same thing and always agreed on everything. Scary thought there

aawww.....no one can be mad at you Scummy

I know people have different opinions on things,sheesh,this would be a very boring world indeed if we all thought the same thing and always agreed on everything. Scary thought there

Golly, thanks Michelle. I feel the urge to giggle :)

And hell yes, it would be horrible if we all had the same thoughts and opinions at all times. It would be like Twilight Zone and that makes me shudder.

Anyway, had a long day (long week, actually) and I'm gonna log offa this thing now and hit the mattress and hopefully sleep sleep sleeeeeeeeeeep.

You have a restful night too.

PEACE, Sistah!!

:smile2:

Damn. I thought we were gearing up for a cat fight. Guess I ought to cancel that truckload of jello.

On a more sobering note, I would worry too much about animals returned to the wild from captivity. Unless they've had their instincts bred out of them over several generations, they still have the wherewithall to survive in the wild again. If they become lunch for another species, then thats what nature intended for them. Where I have an issue is when animals are released to an area not indiginous to them, and the balance is spoiled because of that.

On another note, I might remind little miss Scummy Greenikins that she's going to bed with materials made from plats that were murdered to make her life more comfortable, or that she's sleeping on a mattress made from a toxic mix of Toluene Diisocyanate and Polyol, or driving a car made from DiPhenylmethane Diisocyanate. I say we kill all the animals, kill all the plants, then kill ourselves with chemicals. Thats true environmental balance.

can I re-order the jello now?

Damn. I thought we were gearing up for a cat fight. Guess I ought to cancel that truckload of jello.

On a more sobering note, I would worry too much about animals returned to the wild from captivity. Unless they've had their instincts bred out of them over several generations, they still have the wherewithall to survive in the wild again. If they become lunch for another species, then thats what nature intended for them. Where I have an issue is when animals are released to an area not indiginous to them, and the balance is spoiled because of that.

On another note, I might remind little miss Scummy Greenikins that she's going to bed with materials made from plats that were murdered to make her life more comfortable, or that she's sleeping on a mattress made from a toxic mix of Toluene Diisocyanate and Polyol, or driving a car made from DiPhenylmethane Diisocyanate. I say we kill all the animals, kill all the plants, then kill ourselves with chemicals. Thats true environmental balance.

can I re-order the jello now?

can you get a tanker of vodka so we can make jello shots?

duh.i know that some of them have been in captivity for far to long.and it is somewat impossible to free them.they would die.but the capturing of these wonderful animals is still going on.that is my main focus.and it needs to stop.and actually,orcas have no other predators...except humans.today we know that there are only three things killing our dolphins.our pollution,our fishing,and our captivity.captivity kills.

Ok, I wasn't gonna post today but this topic is an absolute must.

Michelle, you say it's meant for FUN, but do you realize how competely selfish that is?

Sure, It's 'fun' for ignorant humans, but it certainly isn't FUN for the captive animals that were taken from their natural environment, separated from their families and held in a cement pool against their will.

It's the same as you being put in JAIL for the rest of your life, away from your loved ones and being gawked at all day long, is that would you would call fun?

Good grief, this topic touches a very strong nerve with me and I've done many protests against zoos, marine parks, rodeos and factory farms and I don't regret it at all.

<<<so,the Marine Parks should just let all these animals back into the wild so they can find their sense of self again?>>>

You are missing the point completely. How about... NOT CAPTURING THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE AND PUTTING THEM ON DISPLAY AND MAKE THEM DO STUPID TRICKS FOR THE LOWLY FUKKING HUMANS THAT GET OFF ON SUCH ANIMAL CRUELTY?

I cannot even fathom how some people think... or don't think.

Michelle, I'm sorry for BITCHING but yer post made me very upset.YES EXACTLY!THEY ARE STILL CAPTURING THEM!THANK YOU!

did anyone watch the vid?just wondering.i thought it was pretty sad.

so,the Marine Parks should just let all these animals back into the wild so they can find their sense of self again?
Do you have any idea what would happen if they did? A good portion if not all of them would die. They would have no "family" to return to and have become used to and dependent upon humans to feed them therefore they don't know or remember how to hunt their own food. Not to mention having been sheltered from their natural prey the animals wouldn't know how to defend themselves in a dangerous situation. While not everyone is going to agree and I personally don't care,I say leave it alone and quit bitching about whether it's "educational" or not. Of course it's not,it's a THEME PARK it's meant for fun.

Keiko is a brilliant example of this, he eventually starved to death (think it was) in a Norwegian fjorth desperately seeking human attention.

duh.i know that some of them have been in captivity for far to long.and it is somewat impossible to free them.they would die.but the capturing of these wonderful animals is still going on.that is my main focus.and it needs to stop.and actually,orcas have no other predators...except humans.today we know that there are only three things killing our dolphins.our pollution,our fishing,and our captivity.captivity kills.


I never said or implied we should continue to catch them and put them on display. Did you read any of what Scummy and I were talking about? I agree that catching these animals should be stopped,but sadly unless more people step forward,it's not likely to happen. I'm not condoning this,just saying that is the reality of the situation

I never said or implied we should continue to catch them and put them on display. Did you read any of what Scummy and I were talking about? I agree that catching these animals should be stopped,but sadly unless more people step forward,it's not likely to happen. I'm not condoning this,just saying that is the reality of the situation
i know im sorry.i read your posts after i commented and i shouldnt of.sorry if i sound rude.its just that im very passionate about orcas.they deserve better,youknow?yes.there are many people im sure that think like us,but they need to open their mouths and get the word out.thats wat im trying to do.bc nothing is going to get better if nothing is done.sorry if i sound opinonative sometimes but im just trying to help all the creatures that are trapped in marine parks and such.

Keiko is a brilliant example of this, he eventually starved to death (think it was) in a Norwegian fjorth desperately seeking human attention.
i know,poor guy.after a while he slipped into his usual routine.but!there is still hope for kshamenk!there are rehabilitation areas for whales.im not sure about lolita though.i wish she could be taken to sea world where at least she would have a bigger tank and other orcas and better care.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3yoSHFq0t8

some good points i guess.lots about poor Lolita.

Damn. I thought we were gearing up for a cat fight. Guess I ought to cancel that truckload of jello.

On a more sobering note, I would worry too much about animals returned to the wild from captivity. Unless they've had their instincts bred out of them over several generations, they still have the wherewithall to survive in the wild again. If they become lunch for another species, then thats what nature intended for them. Where I have an issue is when animals are released to an area not indiginous to them, and the balance is spoiled because of that.

On another note, I might remind little miss Scummy Greenikins that she's going to bed with materials made from plats that were murdered to make her life more comfortable, or that she's sleeping on a mattress made from a toxic mix of Toluene Diisocyanate and Polyol, or driving a car made from DiPhenylmethane Diisocyanate. I say we kill all the animals, kill all the plants, then kill ourselves with chemicals. Thats true environmental balance.

can I re-order the jello now?

Don’t cancel that truckload of Jello just yet. I may hafta dump it on you, silly boy.

I agree with your first paragraph but in the 2nd paragraph, you don’t really know what type of sleeping materials I use. Do you know there’s an organization that sells 100% organic bedding? Everything from mattresses to sheets, to blankest to pillows and pillow cases. There are no chemicals in their goods, you doof. The sad thing is, I don’t own such wunnerful stuff cuz the are rather pricey and I’m, well….kind of cheap. :p

But I do sleep on a Futon made from who knows and a rubber blow up mattress that is very comfy but I don’t think any rubber trees were killed to make that bed. It’s synthetic and I’m sure it isn’t the best thing to be breathing all night but I only sleep on it sometimes.


<<< I might remind miss Scummy Greenikins that she's going to bed with materials made from plats that were murdered to make her life more comfortable>>>

I think you mean ‘plants’, not “plats”, yes? No plants were murdered to make me more comfortable unless they do kill cotton plants while making cotton goods. I don’t know if they do or if the plant is left to grow more cotton (????) but honestly, I would not stop buying cotton if the plant is killed during harvest, but I’m sure gonna look further into buying organic cotton goods.

I eat organic so why not wear organic???

And if yer one of those types who say it’s just as bad to eat a tomato or an apple than it is to eat a cow or a pig because BOTH are murdered…. Have a seat.

The Jello Truck is ready to UNLOAD……

did anyone watch the vid?just wondering.i thought it was pretty sad.

I did not watch it, I have seen such videos in the past and one recently that made me numb. It's the Japanese whaling and brutal dolphin killings that go on for severl months each year and if that isn't the epitome of revolting, I surely don't know what is.

Well, it's all revolting but that partucular video just made me go numb.

do you know how Jello is made?

do you know how Jello is made?

Not really but I'll bet it has some finely ground animal bones in it, am I right?

:confused:

I did not watch it, I have seen such videos in the past and one recently that made me numb. It's the Japanese whaling and brutal dolphin killings that go on for severl months each year and if that isn't the epitome of revolting, I surely don't know what is.

Well, it's all revolting but that partucular video just made me go numb.
I agree.As well as not needing to survive on meat in general,we certainly do not need to prey on the more intelligent beings in this world.especially ones who are more like us than most ppl know.i mean these dolphins have been places no human being has ever ventured.out in the open ocean,where no ship has dared to go.they are truely amazing.i have always been fascinated by the ocean and its alien-like creatures.

Yup. And it has been written in history that dolphins, many times, lead ships safely thru some very rugged terrain and the ships would not have made it without the help of the dolphins.

Very wonderful animals they are and deserve to be treated with proper respect.

The same goes for whales and ALL aquatic beings, sharks included.

exactly.sharks have a reputation for attacking swimmers,but we are in THEIR relm.its a typical stereotype of a shark-a maneater.but its not.

http://www.hsus.org/marine_mammals/what_are_the_issues/marine_mammals_in_captivity/

interesting facts and good view points.talks about problems related with keeping marine mammals in captivity.its a very good short article.please read.:)

Please Help a Lone Killer Whale! Her name is Lolita (aka Tokitae) and she was captured from the wild over thirty years ago. Since then she has been living in a tank so small she can barely turn around!!! She has no other orcas to interact with (her mate killed himself in 1980) and has been living in the same tiny tank and doing shows for almost her entire life!!! This is clearly inhumane and sickening!!! Take a look.

http://www.miamiseaprison.com/index.htm

at this site you can find Lolita's whole story and MUCH more. Even the dolphin death charts!!!!!!:eek:

please help free Lolita from this horible prison!

<<<please help free Lolita from this horible prison!>>>

I only read a little of that and it's heartbreaking. Haven't looked at any of the other sites yet but I know all too well the horrors of captivating an animal, putting it on display and many times, make it do tricks.

Stuff like that sickens me beyond belief.

The absurd thing is, so many 'animal lovers' bring their children to marine parks, zoos and rodeos to watch how enjoying and fun it all is!

THAT MAKES ME WANNA PUKE

your right.not that they are bad ppl you know.its just that so many are being miseducated every day.thats a big problem.

Hey!!! Im Getting The Documentary "lolita:slave To Entertainment"!yeah Its Coming In The Mail!

Nootka 5 died January 15th, 2008.
She was 27 years old...
Probably could've lived a lot longer had she have been in the wild.
Captured from her family in Iceland in October 1981.
Lived at Marineland Ontario until her death...

She had a lot of calves, but none of them are alive today.
She was thought to have been depressed... and often moped around.
Nootka may have been related to Keiko AKA Free Willy.

FOR THE FULL STORY + PICTURES:
www.orcahome.de/orcanews.htm

Nootka 5 died January 15th, 2008.
She was 27 years old...
Probably could've lived a lot longer had she have been in the wild.
Captured from her family in Iceland in October 1981.
Lived at Marineland Ontario until her death...

She had a lot of calves, but none of them are alive today.
She was thought to have been depressed... and often moped around.
Nootka may have been related to Keiko AKA Free Willy.

FOR THE FULL STORY + PICTURES:
www.orcahome.de/orcanews.htm

That is so messed up. That poor whale shoulda been left alone to live in the ocean with her pod but the fukking japanese dint see it that way. They just wanted MONEY, the greedy, uncaring bastards.

Poor Nootka :(

whats the difference between these marine animals plight and the millions of animals in captivity the zoos across the world?

nothing really,paula just likes her orcas

yes poor nootka.my mother always wanted to go to marineland and see nootka.her heart will be so broken when i tell her she died.it is so amazing that lolita has lived as long as she has.even in the best conditions orcas rarely make it past their teens.and yes,i love my orcas.:Phaha.

i love my orcas.:Phaha.
couldn't tell that by your ID:lolhit:

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g101/ilovekeiko/Marineland%202007/DSCF2063.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g101/ilovekeiko/Marineland%202007/DSCF2063.jpg
if the pic already has tags, you don't have to use the "insert image" scripted window;)

puts the pic on the screen either way dont it? LOL.:)well that is nootka.

puts the pic on the screen either way dont it? LOL.:)well that is nootka.
you can just paste it if it already has the tags..you know, save yourself some effort;)

i finally got the documentary ive been waiting for.its very good,states factual points,and it really makes you want to do something about the captivity industry.personally it made me even more angry at arthur hertz,the man who "owns" Lolita.he is so close minded and greedy.

i finally got the documentary ive been waiting for.its very good,states factual points,and it really makes you want to do something about the captivity industry.personally it made me even more angry at arthur hertz,the man who "owns" Lolita.he is so close minded and greedy.

Close minded and greedy? No surprise there at all. Maybe he should be locked in a cage and be gawked at for the rest of his life, ya think?

People like that are heartless.

i agree.worked to death,just like the dolphins!

i agree.worked to death,just like the dolphins!

Too bad so many people pay to see 'cute tricks' that are actually animal abuse.

Unbelievable, really.

well,animal abuse on a certain level.i mean its not like they beat them with sticks,but yeah.

i wish ppl would realize its not fair to the dolphins.they are not inferiors,they are living breathing beings that feel pain like us.

well i must go now.bye.FREE LOLITA!

well,animal abuse on a certain level.i mean its not like they beat them with sticks,but yeah.

I wasn't talking about them being beaten with sticks. I was talking about taking from their natural habitat and enslaving them to do lame tricks all day long so they can get some rotten fish to eat. If they won't do a trick, they don't eat.

I'd call that extremely abusive with no beatings (I hope) involved.

[QUOTE=Scumbelina][B]I wasn't talking about them being beaten with sticks. I was talking about taking from their natural habitat and enslaving them to do lame tricks all day long so they can get some rotten fish to eat. If they won't do a trick, they don't eat.

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Why musky you always resort to firsthand testimony.!

Why musky you always resort to firsthand testimony.!

LOL! Good one, Foolie!

update on Lolita!!!!

Lolita is now only performing ONE show a day, rather than the two she had been doing the past 30+ years... and the Miami Seaquarium official website has almost completely removed Lolita from it - replacing her with ads to swim with the dolphins.

And according to King-5 News, a new campaign for Lolita's release/move will kick off next weekend! It has been hinted that Johnny Depp, 50 Cent, Harrison Ford, and other big celebrities will be involved!

For the full story, plus a short video, please go here:

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_011908ANB_lolita_K S.3baf1f12.html?npc

sorry.go here instead.i had some trouble with the other link.


http://www.king5.com/localnews/environment/index.html

http://www.theoceanproject.org/actfordolphins/

petition to save japanese dolphins from slaughter.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1FUbCcwdWPw

such a powerful video!!!!

Paula, do you honestly think Lolita will get a bigger pool? I find that extremely hard to swallow.

no...:confused: wat are you talking about?i never said that i just posted a video.oh and get this.theres a girl on youtube who says that arthur hertz actually cares about Lolita.like honestly cares.now im not saying he doesnt since i dont know him,but from wat ive heard all he loves lolita for is bc she brings him his paycheck.shes just a moneymaker to him.