I’m shocked. The CIA destroyed video evidence made in November 2005 of the coercive interrogation of al-Qaeda operatives. It turns out that in jails of US intelligence they torture people! Moreover Hayden tells about that as if nothing outstanding happened. They used waterboarding. So what? Still our idiotic president allowed that controlled drowning in 2002. Why then they don’t let international human rights defenders names of Guantanamo prisoners? What did that poor devil lt. Cmdr. Matthew Diaz suffered for? He just wanted to help those 551 men who even have no right to counsel and sent lists with their names to human rights organization. I’m sure that CIA doesn’t allow any human rights activists there because it would such terrible details of their treatment be revealed that it would be immense scandal all over the world.
But it grated on me that destroying video tapes CIA officers worried just about their ‘agents not to be identified’. And tortures are non-sense! May be they would legalize waterboarding in police-stations? Could you imagine - you’re summon into station as witness. A policeman greets you politely. And then he hangs you legs up, and puts cellophane on your head, and begins pouring water on you so that you think you’re choking. And then you’re told that it proceeded in accord with established legal and policy guidelines and was ‘safe and effective’. And after that you’ll get acquainted with other ‘safe and effective’ ways of investigation.
Hey, guys we live in America! This is free country. And we have the right to know what our intelligence is doing.

If it was concealed how did you find out about it?

I’m shocked. The CIA destroyed video evidence made in November 2005 of the coercive interrogation of al-Qaeda operatives. It turns out that in jails of US intelligence they torture people! Moreover Hayden tells about that as if nothing outstanding happened. They used waterboarding. So what? Still our idiotic president allowed that controlled drowning in 2002. Why then they don’t let international human rights defenders names of Guantanamo prisoners? What did that poor devil lt. Cmdr. Matthew Diaz suffered for? He just wanted to help those 551 men who even have no right to counsel and sent lists with their names to human rights organization. I’m sure that CIA doesn’t allow any human rights activists there because it would such terrible details of their treatment be revealed that it would be immense scandal all over the world.
But it grated on me that destroying video tapes CIA officers worried just about their ‘agents not to be identified’. And tortures are non-sense! May be they would legalize waterboarding in police-stations? Could you imagine - you’re summon into station as witness. A policeman greets you politely. And then he hangs you legs up, and puts cellophane on your head, and begins pouring water on you so that you think you’re choking. And then you’re told that it proceeded in accord with established legal and policy guidelines and was ‘safe and effective’. And after that you’ll get acquainted with other ‘safe and effective’ ways of investigation.
Hey, guys we live in America! This is free country. And we have the right to know what our intelligence is doing.
are you on crack, or another 5th columnist??? CIA agents need their identities concealed for a reason:rolleyes:

are you on crack, or another 5th columnist??? CIA agents need their identities concealed for a reason

Yes they do, but if your name is Valerie Plame, then the right wing in America is more than willing to see an entire covert anti-proliferation operation get blown out of the water just to "get" her... :rolleyes:

Yes they do, but if your name is Valerie Plame, then the right wing in America is more than willing to see an entire covert anti-proliferation operation get blown out of the water just to "get" her... :rolleyes:
she outed herself-can you stop being a whiney little bitch for 10 minutes?

she outed herself-

Don't be stupid.

Don't be stupid.
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her job was to pump diplomats wives for information at cocktail parties, and she was none too subtle about it.

It turns out that in jails of US intelligence they torture people!
Evidence possibly elicited through torture would never be admissible before.

If a CIA agent is engaged in torture-why would his identity by kept secret,
as he should be looking a new job on Monday.

If a CIA agent is engaged in torture-why would his identity by kept secret,
as he should be looking a new job on Monday.It's a non-issue.

The President has already told us we don't torture people. :rolleyes:

Maybe President Bush has conveniently ''no recollection'' of saying that.

I have been wondering if indeed theres any case to answer here.

If these men were presumably tortured at Guantanamo-theyd be outside the jurisdiction,so that rules out the Justice boys.

As it is an what-Naval Station,this would fall under the Defence Dept.

Anybody?

her job was to pump diplomats wives for information at cocktail parties, and she was none too subtle about it.

That is just as accurate as claiming that George Bush's entire job is to stand at a podium and take grief from reporters.

The CIA is above the law

Better to take a bit of heat for destroying the tapes than to take the heat for what the tapes contained.