Angel brought up a very old concept, "It is all an illusion!"

Would anybody like to kick this concept around?

And maybe this, "How can we screw with the "Ilusion" so that it is an "illusion that we like :) ?" "Free hokers and beer!" Right Napster :) ?

tuck

Well, I mentioned solid matter being an illusion, and it most definitely is :)

Hold out your hand and every square centimetre (about a 6th square inch) of your hand has 30 billion neutral particles from the sun passing through it without hitting anything but empty space. These particles continue to pass through the earth as well without hitting anything.

The holodecks in star treks enterprise are actually not that far from the truth. "Solid" matter is just electrical force fields made by tiny lumps of energy. The mass in a hydrogen atom is equivalent to a fly in a football stadium.

Well, that is one illusion. Time and space (distance) is another :)

(I just heard a nobel price of physics winner speak about this a month ago, great fun, american guy too :))

As a pragmatist I can't help but want to mention that something being an illusion does not change the fact that our expectation of how something will respond to an action generally goes fulfilled. So who cares. My very existence being possibly an illusion does not change the fact that if I want to experience the sensation of a delicious rib eye steak tonight I will have to go out there and get it, using money which I obtained, talk to waiter in a specific language which I know, and when I am done several hours later use the bathroom so my body may dispose of what it doesn't need. It could all be an illusion, and doesn't change a bit how I carry on with everyday life!

To paraphrase Dio, who cares? It would look exactly the same to you whether or not it was, so why bother dwelling on it?

Well, I mentioned solid matter being an illusion, and it most definitely is :)

Hold out your hand and every square centimetre (about a 6th square inch) of your hand has 30 billion neutral particles from the sun passing through it without hitting anything but empty space. These particles continue to pass through the earth as well without hitting anything.

The holodecks in star treks enterprise are actually not that far from the truth. "Solid" matter is just electrical force fields made by tiny lumps of energy. The mass in a hydrogen atom is equivalent to a fly in a football stadium.

Well, that is one illusion. Time and space (distance) is another :)

(I just heard a nobel price of physics winner speak about this a month ago, great fun, american guy too :))

Angel :) I love it when you Talk dirty :)

Love you!

tuck

As a pragmatist I can't help but want to mention that something being an illusion does not change the fact that our expectation of how something will respond to an action generally goes fulfilled. So who cares. My very existence being possibly an illusion does not change the fact that if I want to experience the sensation of a delicious rib eye steak tonight I will have to go out there and get it, using money which I obtained, talk to waiter in a specific language which I know, and when I am done several hours later use the bathroom so my body may dispose of what it doesn't need. It could all be an illusion, and doesn't change a bit how I carry on with everyday life!

Dio :) I don't think that you like "poor" people. They "stink!"

Wecome to this topic :)

tuck

To paraphrase Dio, who cares? It would look exactly the same to you whether or not it was, so why bother dwelling on it?

Nap, we definitely wouldn't want to confuse you :)

Anyway welcome to this topic!

tuck

If life is an illusion, the question starts to be, "Why are we all on this messageboard?"

tuck

, "How can we screw with the "Ilusion" so that it is an "illusion that we like :) ?"

tuck

I don't think the image matters as much as the thought of what someone else is doing.
If we could just get everyone to not care what other people do, we'd have a great planet.

If all I see is an illusion, someone did a pretty good job before I was born.
I would respond that any illusions are probably individual mental conceptions.

Dio :) I don't think that you like "poor" people. They "stink!"

Wecome to this topic :)

tuck
if the police went back to using fire hoses on them, they wouldn't have that problem:)

To paraphrase Dio, who cares? It would look exactly the same to you whether or not it was, so why bother dwelling on it?

Who cares?
Most people actually...
It's fun to challenge "reality" :)

Who cares?
Most people actually...
It's fun to challenge "reality" :)

Welcome to All Forums.net! Angel you are going to shake things up!

Angel, you have challeged Napster :) and by the way he is not allowed to call you a "Bitch" :) OK? :)

God but I love this messageboard!

tuck

As a pragmatist I can't help but want to mention that something being an illusion does not change the fact that our expectation of how something will respond to an action generally goes fulfilled. So who cares. My very existence being possibly an illusion does not change the fact that if I want to experience the sensation of a delicious rib eye steak tonight I will have to go out there and get it, using money which I obtained, talk to waiter in a specific language which I know, and when I am done several hours later use the bathroom so my body may dispose of what it doesn't need. It could all be an illusion, and doesn't change a bit how I carry on with everyday life!

So,Do we Dream in B & W or color.?
Actually,it's a pretty important determination.

Angel brought up a very old concept, "It is all an illusion!"

Would anybody like to kick this concept around?

And maybe this, "How can we screw with the "Ilusion" so that it is an "illusion that we like :) ?" "Free hokers and beer!" Right Napster :) ?

tuck

Are we just avatars of some-one, or some-thing, that is some-where playing a very advanced firm of Sim-City?

I was gonna post here-but on second thoughts-I'll not bother...........

I was gonna post here-but on second thoughts-I'll not bother...........

Leaving us to imagine how real your post would be?

Posts 16 and 18 are just an Illusion-beam me up scotty..........

So,Do we Dream in B & W or color.?
Actually,it's a pretty important determination.
Important in the sense of what? The premise establishes that existence can be an illusion. So it's important to determine if there is ground in this premise? Even if your determination itself could be an illusion?

This is a premise that cannot be proven false. Like the flying spaghetti monster cannot be proven false. Thinking about it is good for honing reasoning and imagination though, I'll give you that.

I was gonna post here-but on second thoughts-I'll not bother...........

Would it help if we insulted you? :)

Important in the sense of what? The premise establishes that existence can be an illusion. So it's important to determine if there is ground in this premise? Even if your determination itself could be an illusion?

This is a premise that cannot be proven false. Like the flying spaghetti monster cannot be proven false. Thinking about it is good for honing reasoning and imagination though, I'll give you that.

I love the Celestial Teapot mind experiment, goes well with the religion debates.

Would it help if we insulted you? :)
Oddly enough it might.

As this is purely an exercise-go ahead :)

Oddly enough it might.

As this is purely an exercise-go ahead :)

I don't think I could tho :)

Will this do? :upyours:

I don't think I could tho :)

Will this do? :upyours:


Your not putting enough effort into it.

Your not putting enough effort into it.

Best I can do :)

Your too nice to be here :)

Your too nice to be here :)
Now insult her, see what happens.

Nah-Angie is ok-she tried.

You give it a go-see how ya get on :)

Nah-Angie is ok-she tried.

You give it a go-see how ya get on :)

You suck! and your donkey looks funny... And this thing here! :upyours:


Hows that?

Your not upsetting me sorry.

Tho if Seamus see's yer talking about him,well,he isnt very friendly at best.

Your not upsetting me sorry.

Tho if Seamus see's yer talking about him,well,he isnt very friendly at best.

I see. So the donkey is your friend is it?

Well! The donkey wears army boots!

Eh?

You suck! and your donkey looks funny... And this thing here! :upyours:


Hows that?

Son :) I lke his donkey! Why are you pushing the "red button?"

Paul is a Christian too you know and way more dedicated than you and I are! EEK!

tuck

Best I can do :)

Humm :)

Angel bottoms out :) Sheesh!

"Stiff upper lip!", as the Brits would say :)

Angel we are all on your side and you are loved! Kick some "booty", otherwise All forums.net will get boring. And we all well have to turn to "Scummy" for intertainment :) !

Love you!

tuck