Iran appears ''less determind'' to develop nuclear weapons than perviously thought,US Intelligence officals say.

Tehran halted its nuclear weapons programme in 2003 but is continuing to enrich uranium,a National Intelligence Estimate assessment concluded.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7125701.stm

WTF? I think our intelligence needs an overhaul.

What makes you say that.

we have gone from about to attack iran to saying they are not a threat overnight? Somewhere along the line, be it in gathering or analyzing, our intelligence apparatus needs some work.

A little quid pro quo on iraqa?

Theres a smell of politicising going on here.

As you say-Iran cant be a major threat to world security one day-and not the next,

unless somebody dropped a nuke in between-which wasnt on the news.

I think your right-US Intelligence sources need to be re examined.

lets bomb them anyway.. sometime, somewhere they will attack somebody. If we don't then it will be the same as when we didn't stop hitler. (sarcasm)

Theres a smell of politicising going on here.

As you say-Iran cant be a major threat to world security one day-and not the next..........
It's called Sales-And-Marketing (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/30/AR2007113001801.html?hpid%3Dopinionsbox1&sub=AR).

"The Bush administration likes to boast that it has dramatically cut the size of the nation's nuclear stockpile. Meanwhile, it's busily trying to shore up congressional support for multibillion-dollar proposals to "modernize" the bristling U.S. arsenal. So here are a few myths about the U.S. nuclear posture of which the administration seems particularly fond."

(It doesn't hurt to have a fan-base that's begging to be conned (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/03/AR2007120301619.html?hpid%3Dopinionsbox1&sub=AR), either. :rolleyes:)

I like nukes.
Nukes are good clean fun that the whole family can enjoy. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_zJXhMz-kY)

Especially during this, the holiday season.
:smile2:

I like nukes.
Nukes are good clean fun that the whole family can enjoy. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_zJXhMz-kY)

Especially during this, the holiday season.
"Whoopee! we're all gonna die (http://www.countryjoe.com/fixins.htm)!"

"....the report wasn’t completed until Tuesday of last week and that President Bush only learned that Iran halted its nuclear program four years ago — the following day (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/12/03/countdown-bushs-nukyular-credibility-meltdown/)." :@@:

Where are all of our nukes pointed now? THey were pointed a russia, are they still pointed at them? I can tbelieve we would have them just sitting there not pointed at anyone.

Where are all of our nukes pointed now? ..... I cant believe we would have them just sitting there not pointed at anyone.

ROTFL.

Translation;

"Hey! what good is it being the biggest bully on the block if nobody even realizes I'm threatening them?!?! Daaauuuhh....who can I threaten, who can I threaten!!? <looks around in a dazed fashion for someone weak and defenseless>

ROTFL.

Translation;

"Hey! what good is it being the biggest bully on the block if nobody even realizes I'm threatening them?!?! Daaauuuhh....who can I threaten, who can I threaten!!? <looks around in a dazed fashion for someone weak and defenseless>
Doesn't much matter. Armed or unarmed (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/04/iran.nuclear/index.html), everyone's a threat to Bizarro Bushworld. :rolleyes:

"Iran was dangerous, Iran is dangerous and Iran will be dangerous if they have the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon," Bush said, pointing out that Tehran continues to try to enrich uranium for civilian purposes and therefore develop technology that could be used for a weapon.

Sounds desperate no?

"Iran was dangerous, Iran is dangerous and Iran will be dangerous if they have the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon," Bush said, pointing out that Tehran continues to try to enrich uranium for civilian purposes and therefore develop technology that could be used for a weapon.

Sounds desperate no?
Absolutely. And (unlike Bush-fans), the rest-o'-the-World Gets It (http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?forumID=3888&edition=2&ttl=20071204171713)!

Absolutely. And (unlike Bush-fans), the rest-o'-the-World Gets It (http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?forumID=3888&edition=2&ttl=20071204171713)!


yeah, but why is he SO after Iran? I don't get it. I think its because Iran has threatened the "holy" land.

yeah, but why is he SO after Iran? I don't get it. I think its because Iran has threatened the "holy" land.
Nahhhhhhhhhh.....it's because of all the "...strong, circumstantial-evidence (http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/columns/pressingissues_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=10036807 66)..." :@@:

ROTFL.

Translation;

"Hey! what good is it being the biggest bully on the block if nobody even realizes I'm threatening them?!?! Daaauuuhh....who can I threaten, who can I threaten!!? <looks around in a dazed fashion for someone weak and defenseless>

It would be nice if someone who wasnt an ass would try to give some ideas of where they think our nukes are aimed.
Probably like N korea and Iran I guess, probably some at pakistan, and of course at Mr Chavez and Mr Putin. Probably even a couple at castro for good measure.

Dosent the US and Russia have some sort of agreement not to target each other.

As for the rest-who knows-Canada.

Dosent the US and Russia have some sort of agreement not to target each other.
Yeah....it's called Mutual Assured Destruction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction)....more-commonly-referred-to as Common Sense.

Why do you think the present-admin prefers that concept shouldn't be applied (equally), to all countries? :rolleyes:


http://rushlimbaughtomy.blogspot.com/bushsuckerpunch.gif

Yeah....it's called Mutual Assured Destruction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction)....more-commonly-referred-to as Common Sense.

Why do you think the present-admin prefers that concept shouldn't be applied (equally), to all countries?
no administration since Truman's has thought that giving away any advantage we have would be a good idea. why do you think the Rosenbergs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg) were prosecuted?

lets bomb them anyway.. sometime, somewhere they will attack somebody. If we don't then it will be the same as when we didn't stop hitler.
I don't think that's what Big Oil has in-mind.

*

"Oil producers' cartel Opec has agreed to keep output steady at a meeting in Abu Dhabi, despite pressure on it to raise production to dampen prices.

In recent days, prices fell on talk that output would rise and reports that downplayed Iran's nuclear ambitions (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7128262.stm)."

no administration since Truman's has thought that giving away any advantage we have would be a good idea.
"Ronald Reagan said that he sought a "Star Wars" defense only in order to share the technology (http://www.slate.com/id/2101842/) with the tyrants of the U.S.S.R."

:rolleyes:

"Ronald Reagan said that he sought a "Star Wars" defense only in order to share the technology (http://www.slate.com/id/2101842/) with the tyrants of the U.S.S.R."

:rolleyes:
he knew that would never happen.

he knew that would never happen.
That's possible.

He did have a small problem with consistancy (http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/).

*

"In the Iran initiative, President Reagan chose to proceed in the utmost secrecy, disregarding the Administration's public policy prohibiting arms sales to nations supporting terrorism."

That's possible.

He did have a small problem with consistancy (http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/).

*

"In the Iran initiative, President Reagan chose to proceed in the utmost secrecy, disregarding the Administration's public policy prohibiting arms sales to nations supporting terrorism."
who hasn't?

And yet, it DID happen.

By hook or by crook, the damn Russkies got their hands on our Star Wars!
:mad:
http://www.starwarsmovieposter.com/images/russwsetrilogy.jpg

And yet, it DID happen.

By hook or by crook, the damn Russkies got their hands on our Star Wars!
:mad:
http://www.starwarsmovieposter.com/images/russwsetrilogy.jpg
:eek: damn Chinese DVD pirates!:rant:

"The Democratic presidential candidates were incredulous that Bush did not know about the assessment's new finding.

Biden, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, called that explanation "unbelievable." (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/04/bush.iran/index.html)

"Are you telling me a president that's briefed every single morning, who's fixated on Iran, is not told back in August that the tentative conclusion of 16 intelligence agencies in the U.S. government said they had abandoned their effort for a nuclear weapon in '03?" Biden asked in a conference call with reporters.

"I refuse to believe that," he added. "If that's true, he has the most incompetent staff in modern American history, and he's one of the most incompetent presidents in modern American history."

"The Democratic presidential candidates were incredulous that Bush did not know about the assessment's new finding.

Biden, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, called that explanation "unbelievable." (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/04/bush.iran/index.html)



"Are you telling me a president that's briefed every single morning, who's fixated on Iran, is not told back in August that the tentative conclusion of 16 intelligence agencies in the U.S. government said they had abandoned their effort for a nuclear weapon in '03?" Biden asked in a conference call with reporters.

"I refuse to believe that," he added. "If that's true, he has the most incompetent staff in modern American history, and he's one of the most incompetent presidents in modern American history."
he knows, he just discounts it-the hard part is getting weapon's grade uranium. once you have that, a smart high school student can put a bomb together.:rolleyes:

"Well well, first we were told the Iranian made nuclear Armageddon was about to destroy London and New York any minute now, and now suddenly these same people tell us Iran is not working on any nuclear program since 2003.

So this news is all about serious infighting in Washington and a presidential administration thats fast becoming the laughing stock of the world. (http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/E9A36960-AB5A-43E7-A637-4628328249EB.htm?choice=3&dgDiscID=215&dgPoolID=f48fdaed-e92b-458a-ad26-69e026039abd)" - Van Zwam, Dendermonde, Belgium

"It was actually quite entertaining watching the FOX true believers spinning like tops trying to put a happy face on the dismal news that the President and Vice President of the United States of America engaged in a callous, deliberate campaign to attack Iran, knowing full well that the reasons they enunciated for military action were utterly false.

Imagine for a moment what it must feel like to know that you've agitated, argued, propagandized, bullied and called for an attack on a sovereign nation based on assurances that there was a clear and present danger only to find out that there was no provocation for such an attack and your "tin god" lied to you. (http://www.newshounds.us/2007/12/04/no_joy_in_foxville_now_that_the_mighty_nie_is_out. php#more)"

are you going to post something, or just keep spaming?:mad:

are you going to post something, or just keep spaming?:mad:

Is there a specific example of spam you'd like to point out Mike?

Is there a specific example of spam you'd like to point out Mike?
his two previous cut & pastes-if i had have thought they were commerical in nature, i would have reported the posts. i've never been shy about that.

are you going to post something, or just keep spaming?:mad:
It's called THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING.

Embarrassed, are you? :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Mr. Shaman]"Well well, first we were told the Iranian made nuclear Armageddon was about to destroy London and New York any minute now, and now suddenly these same people tell us Iran is not working on any nuclear program since 2003.

Because as Rushbo so informatively proffered yesterday on his
talk radio format,in 2003 Khomeini and the Mullahs saw what
happened to Gaddafi and Saddam and how virtually easy it was to
overtake Iraq and march into Baghdad.
The same fate could easily have been afforded Tehran and those
in charge of Middle East troublemaking.
Purdy easy ta figger...actually.

[QUOTE=Mr. Shaman]"Well well, first we were told the Iranian made nuclear Armageddon was about to destroy London and New York any minute now, and now suddenly these same people tell us Iran is not working on any nuclear program since 2003.

Because as Rushbo so informatively proffered yesterday on his
talk radio format,in 2003 Khomeini and the Mullahs saw what
happened to Gaddafi and Saddam and how virtually easy it was to
overtake Iraq and march into Baghdad.
The same fate could easily have been afforded Tehran and those
in charge of Middle East troublemaking.
Purdy easy ta figger...actually.


ok fine. But even today Bush is NOT backing down on his words...

"It was actually quite entertaining watching the FOX true believers spinning like tops trying to put a happy face on the dismal news that the President and Vice President of the United States of America engaged in a callous, deliberate campaign to attack Iran, knowing full well that the reasons they enunciated for military action were utterly false.

Imagine for a moment what it must feel like to know that you've agitated, argued, propagandized, bullied and called for an attack on a sovereign nation based on assurances that there was a clear and present danger only to find out that there was no provocation for such an attack and your "tin god" lied to you. (http://www.newshounds.us/2007/12/04/no_joy_in_foxville_now_that_the_mighty_nie_is_out. php#more)"

So are you saying,right here and now that Saddam WASN'T trying to
Control,Manipulate and influence his Might on the entire Middle East
region.? Because you'd have to in order for yer flimsy appraisal
to hold water.
Also articulate what UN Inspectors besides Blix and that *guy who
wrote a book about NO Viable Iraqi WMD's.?




* A Path to Peace with Iran
by Scott Ritter { April 20,2006 }

[QUOTE=Foolsworth]


ok fine. But even today Bush is NOT backing down on his words...

Maybe because Unlike Clinton,Bush actually IS telling the unvarnished
truth and actually believes in his heart he his doing the right thing.
Not to say a President should ALWAY's be forthcoming and tell the
public everything he knows,right quick.That would be retarded for a
President to do.Like what must have been buzzing thur his mind
when he first heard about the 9/11 attacks in that kiddie school.
Yes,Bush probably tole some little white lies along the way.
It would be virtually IMPOSSIBLE NOT to.
Like what he said regarding the Plame/CIA/Libby/Fiasco.
The measure of a Man and a Presidency is overall intent and
productivity in office.
Bush fixed a Recession,Stopped ALL Terorist Attacks,since 9/11 and
has made Loans and Mortgages so affordable and easy,folks have
gone a widdle too whole hog.
Anyone that says we're in trouble times wasn't around during the
Carter Adm.

[QUOTE=MeskDXB]

Maybe because Unlike Clinton,Bush actually IS telling the unvarnished
truth and actually believes in his heart he his doing the right thing.
Not to say a President should ALWAY's be forthcoming and tell the
public everything he knows,right quick.That would be retarded for a
President to do.Like what must have been buzzing thur his mind
when he first heard about the 9/11 attacks in that kiddie school.
Yes,Bush probably tole some little white lies along the way.
It would be virtually IMPOSSIBLE NOT to.
Like what he said regarding the Plame/CIA/Libby/Fiasco.
The measure of a Man and a Presidency is overall intent and
productivity in office.
Bush fixed a Recession,Stopped ALL Terorist Attacks,since 9/11 and
has made Loans and Mortgages so affordable and easy,folks have
gone a widdle too whole hog.
Anyone that says we're in trouble times wasn't around during the
Carter Adm.

Clinton? who mentioned clinton? Where did that come from?
I agree with you on SOME of the things you say. However, can you tell me what policy that bush has put into place has "made loans and mortgages so affordable"??

This is a funny discussion.

The president (and the world) is aware that Iran has tinkered with building the BOMB.

Now all Bush has to do is either (a) believe that they've now STOPPED building the BOMB and hush up about it, or (b) keep putting pressure on them and let them know the U.S. is watching them and not simply trusting them to do what they say.

However, IF, God forbid, some group of radical nuts over there should get hold of a nuclear bomb, finish 'building' it, and use it to attack an American target... who'd get the blame?

Bush, of course. The Dem Libs would say he should've seen it coming and taken preventive measures.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't. I can't imagine why anybody would even want to be president!

SMW

[QUOTE=Foolsworth]

Clinton? who mentioned clinton? Where did that come from?
I agree with you on SOME of the things you say. However, can you tell me what policy that bush has put into place has "made loans and mortgages so affordable"??

A fed Board with Alan Greenspan as head who managed
very nicely to fine tune Overnight discount rates an keep Inflation
in check,thru Monetary Policy,not a Jimmy Carter Fiscal Policy.

[QUOTE=smartmouthwo

Damned if you do and damned if you don't. I can't imagine why anybody would even want to be president!

Because [FONT="Comic Sans MS"]Hillary Isn't an " anybody ",butts mores like a
particularly peevish SOMEBODY.
I coulda said Busybody.

So are you saying,right here and now that Saddam WASN'T trying to
Control,Manipulate and influence his Might on the entire Middle East
region.? Because you'd have to in order for yer flimsy appraisal
to hold water.
My appraisal??? :confused:



Also articulate what UN Inspectors besides Blix and that *guy who
wrote a book about NO Viable Iraqi WMD's.?




* A Path to Peace with Iran
by Scott Ritter { April 20,2006 }

DONE (http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/09/08/ritter.iraq/)!!!

Now all Bush has to do is either (a) believe that they've now STOPPED building the BOMB and hush up about it, or (b) keep putting pressure on them and let them know the U.S. is watching them and not simply trusting them to do what they say.

However, IF, God forbid, some group of radical nuts over there should get hold of a nuclear bomb, finish 'building' it, and use it to attack an American target... who'd get the blame?

Don't bother askin' him. He's got no idea what's goin' on (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/12/04/george-bush-says-he-got-the-new-nie-report-last-week-oh-really/)!!

[QUOTE=Mr. Shaman]My appraisal??? :confused:



yeah...My Bad. For any appraisal to take place one has to,
IN THE LEAST,appraise.
To " appraise " means to estimate and JUDGE.
If you ain't THE Biggest Hangin Judgy Wudgy of Republicans to
cUm down the pike,than I just don't know.

[QUOTE=Mr. Shaman]My appraisal??? :confused:



yeah...My Bad. For any appraisal to take place one has to,
IN THE LEAST,appraise.
To " appraise " means to estimate and JUDGE.
If you ain't THE Biggest Hangin Judgy Wudgy of Republicans to
cUm down the pike,than I just don't know.
....Not-to-mention it was someone else's quote. :rolleyes:

It's called THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING.

Embarrassed, are you? :rolleyes:
OMG! you had an original thought!

no, i'll be embarrassed when the whole world is watching a mushroom cloud rising out of Persia.

Don't bother askin' him. He's got no idea what's goin' on (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/12/04/george-bush-says-he-got-the-new-nie-report-last-week-oh-really/)!!

But YOU, on the hand, know EXACTLY what's going on, right Shaman?

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t33/texrose752/thduh.gif

[QUOTE=Foolsworth]
....Not-to-mention it was someone else's quote. :rolleyes:

Which I gather you use to stress a point.
Unless yer a porpoise led bottleneck that's a
Glutton Godot for Patience.