meat isnt really good for humans.i learned it in health.its the leading cause of most lifestyle diseases.(heart disease,colon cancer,artery clogging,and clots)there are no protiens or vitimins in meat that cant be found in fruits and veges.humans are actually more similar to a horse,w/long intestines to digest fibers,rather than a lion,w/short intestines to get the meat out quicker to prevent colon cancer.we watched a very informational video on it and let me tell you,it definetly made me want to go vegetarian!

I like meat. I'm not going to stop eating it. :p

hey i didnt say you had to im just tellin you wat i learned in health.i thought it was interesting.

its really bad if you eat red meat especially.

i know i like...i mean,liked meat too.untill last weak in health class.oh,and when i saw how most chickens and other animals were killed.that really opened my eyes.

i know i like...i mean,liked meat too.untill last weak in health class.oh,and when i saw how most chickens and other animals were killed.that really opened my eyes.
I know all of that. My mom is a semi-vegetarian, and very into animal rights. I've seen all the videos about the torture animals go through.

However, it's not that hard to find free range chicken and beef, who are not cooped up in little cages, not given hormones and antibiotics, and who are killed in much more humane ways. This is mostly what my family eats.

However, it's not that hard to find free range chicken and beef, who are not cooped up in little cages, not given hormones and antibiotics, and who are killed in much more humane ways. This is mostly what my family eats.
Why? Waste of fucking money, if you ask me. And torturing animals makes them taste better. ;)

Why? Waste of fucking money, if you ask me. And torturing animals makes them taste better. ;)
Actually, it doesn't cost any more. My step-mom always gets the best deals, and Perdue chicken (all free range now) is very often on sale.

Actually, it doesn't cost any more. My step-mom always gets the best deals, and Perdue chicken (all free range now) is very often on sale.
Yes, but you're still paying the same price as the tortured meat without getting the added value of torture. I'm telling you, you're getting ripped off.

meat isnt really good for humans.i learned it in health.its the leading cause of most lifestyle diseases.(heart disease,colon cancer,artery clogging,and clots)there are no protiens or vitimins in meat that cant be found in fruits and veges.humans are actually more similar to a horse,w/long intestines to digest fibers,rather than a lion,w/short intestines to get the meat out quicker to prevent colon cancer.we watched a very informational video on it and let me tell you,it definetly made me want to go vegetarian!
breathing isn't good for you either-air is full of carcinogens. what's your point besides your teacher is a PETA tool?

Yes, but you're still paying the same price as the tortured meat without getting the added value of torture. I'm telling you, you're getting ripped off.
:lolhit:

breathing isn't good for you either-air is full of carcinogens. what's your point besides your teacher is a PETA tool?
Well, the teacher is correct in that a vegetarian diet is much healthier for the digestive system, and in that we do not actually need meat in our diet. A vegetarian diet can easily give you every single type of essential protein. :)

One thing I've learned over the years; if you read enough medical stories, everything is bad for you! So, eat, drink and do whatever you need to enjoy your life. I refuse to spend the rest of my life worrying about what may or may not be true. Whatever you choose, you will eventually get ill and later die anyway.
Enjoy life while you can.

Amen to that OldTimer

it doesn't even have to be an illness that does you in. Anyone can step out of their home and have some form of accident that kills them.
I bet if most people took their toothbrushes and put them under a microscope,they'd be sickened by the amount of germs and bacteria on it. Even if you do rinse it very well. Everything is bad for you and we all have to die of something and I for one will be damned if I live my life in a bubble.

Amen to that OldTimer

it doesn't even have to be an illness that does you in. Anyone can step out of their home and have some form of accident that kills them.
I bet if most people took their toothbrushes and put them under a microscope,they'd be sickened by the amount of germs and bacteria on it. Even if you do rinse it very well. Everything is bad for you and we all have to die of something and I for one will be damned if I live my life in a bubble.
I completely agree.

Amen to that OldTimer

it doesn't even have to be an illness that does you in. Anyone can step out of their home and have some form of accident that kills them.
I bet if most people took their toothbrushes and put them under a microscope,they'd be sickened by the amount of germs and bacteria on it. Even if you do rinse it very well. Everything is bad for you and we all have to die of something and I for one will be damned if I live my life in a bubble.
you don't rinse your toothbrush before and after you use it?:eek:

Well, the teacher is correct in that a vegetarian diet is much healthier for the digestive system, and in that we do not actually need meat in our diet. A vegetarian diet can easily give you every single type of essential protein. :)
no, there are vitamins that your body needs that you just can't get elsewhere. vitamin B comes to mind.

in India, there are strict vegetarians with out vitamin deficiency problems, but their food supply isn't as "clean" as ours...that's right, they're eating bugs and don't even know it :eek:

you don't rinse your toothbrush before and after you use it?:eek:


:slap: yes I do,that's disgusting not to

:slap: yes I do,that's disgusting not to
there's little as effective as a good flushing...that's why the average toleit bowl is cleaner than the kitchen counter top:@@:

no, there are vitamins that your body needs that you just can't get elsewhere. vitamin B comes to mind.
That's why vegetarians take vitamin supplements.

meat is only bad for you if you eat that shit raised by someone else, injected with hormones and who knows what else, too much fat, which cows and pigs are, and the processing will turn your stomach. like meat? raise and or kill it yourself. at least you know someone didn't dig his finger in his ass just before making the ground meat.

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sex is good for you. and not long ago i found out that sperm is an anti-depressant. got a depressed woman? shoot a load in her.


such elegance pm:lolhit:
sex is also better than aspirin at relieving headaches

Actually, there's something much worse than vitamim deficiency if you don't eat red meat... there's IRON deficiency which can result in a condition called pernecious anemia and it CAN be life threatening!! I used to work for a crazy woman who prided herself on being a vegetarian and she came down with that condition. Since the body can't store iron, the only treatment is regular visits to the doctor for iron shots. People who suffer from PA are anxious, neurotic and can suffer delusions, hair loss and other physical problems. Once you've got it, you have it the rest of your life... regardless of what you eat.

Iron is only found in RED MEAT (small amts in some green veggies, but not enough to do you any good).

To stay healthy, people should eat a healthy combo of all foods... in moderation, of course.

;)
SMW

That's why vegetarians take vitamin supplements.
living life dependent on pills? i'll save that for my golden years, tyvm ;)

Actually, there's something much worse than vitamim deficiency if you don't eat red meat... there's IRON deficiency which can result in a condition called pernecious anemia and it CAN be life threatening!! I used to work for a crazy woman who prided herself on being a vegetarian and she came down with that condition. Since the body can't store iron, the only treatment is regular visits to the doctor for iron shots. People who suffer from PA are anxious, neurotic and can suffer delusions, hair loss and other physical problems. Once you've got it, you have it the rest of your life... regardless of what you eat.

Iron is only found in RED MEAT (small amts in some green veggies, but not enough to do you any good).

To stay healthy, people should eat a healthy combo of all foods... in moderation, of course.

;)
SMW
I am by no means a vegetarian, and in fact, I'm quite the opposite. However, even if you disregard fortified cereals and whatnot, one cup of soybeans has half your daily value of iron.

I am by no means a vegetarian, and in fact, I'm quite the opposite. However, even if you disregard fortified cereals and whatnot, one cup of soybeans has half your daily value of iron.

I don't doubt that... but who the heck could eat two cups of soybeans a day???

Gimme a nice rare cow anytime.

*moo*

I am by no means a vegetarian, and in fact, I'm quite the opposite. However, even if you disregard fortified cereals and whatnot, one cup of soybeans has half your daily value of iron.
sure, you can eat a bowl of Total (http://www.totalcereal.com/) everyday, but it tastes like chewing a vitamin...and who the heck eats a full cup of soybeans a day? eeeewwwwwwww!

or drink some molasses.

It also takes about ten times the land to grow one calorie of meat versus one calorie of vegetable matter.

That fact plus the thought of pristine wilderness being plowed over in favor of human gluttony makes me have vegetarian tendencies.

living life dependent on pills? i'll save that for my golden years, tyvm ;)
I've taken a multivitamin daily since I was a little kid. I've recently added calcium, vitamin C, and fish oil. We'll see who has the last laugh. ;)

Well, the teacher is correct in that a vegetarian diet is much healthier for the digestive system, and in that we do not actually need meat in our diet. A vegetarian diet can easily give you every single type of essential protein. :)

Well, you need meat too, if you live on vegetables alone you are missing out on important amino acids. The general rule that works for everything nearly is not to do anything in excess...

Well, you need meat too, if you live on vegetables alone you are missing out on important amino acids. The general rule that works for everything nearly is not to do anything in excess...
That's not true. As long as you make sure to eat a varied diet, with lots of different types of legumes/nuts/etc., you can get all the amino acids you need. Vegetarians and vegans can easily get enough of everything they need, they just have to pay attention to it more.

Anyways, I eat meat, but not very much (because I don't eat very much of anything really). I doubt I get my daily recommended value of any vitamin or mineral, except maybe vitamin C since that's super easy to get. Everyone who thinks a vegetarian is unhealthy because they might not get as much iron... well hell, I probably get less iron than the average vegetarian and I'd say meat is my second or third favorite food group (bread is first, meat and dairy probably tied...) I generally don't eat the general recommended amount of calories or fat or anything, because I'm a female without a high metabolism who lives a sedentary life. I try to take vitamins, but I generally only get one every other day. It's better than nothing, right? :p

It also takes about ten times the land to grow one calorie of meat versus one calorie of vegetable matter.

That fact plus the thought of pristine wilderness being plowed over in favor of human gluttony makes me have vegetarian tendencies.

i say let the land grow go back to a more natural state. gives more food for wildlife and that means more deer meat in my freezer.

if more people raised more of their own food, and hunted more, or raised their own meat, their would be less gluttony in the world. even if that new york city person only grows a few carrots on the window ledge, and catches a few pigeons on occasion. they may develop more of a respect on what goes into their stomachs.

Well, the teacher is correct in that a vegetarian diet is much healthier for the digestive system, and in that we do not actually need meat in our diet. A vegetarian diet can easily give you every single type of essential protein. :)

I am quite skeptical of that though, every vegetarian I know looks scrawny and malnourished. I've never met someone who was a vegetarian and did very well in sports, I guess there could be a few out there though.

I am quite skeptical of that though, every vegetarian I know looks scrawny and malnourished. I've never met someone who was a vegetarian and did very well in sports, I guess there could be a few out there though.
I think a diet that enables you to do well in sports is not the same thing as a diet that is the most healthy and natural for the human body. There is a distinction.

Why? Waste of fucking money, if you ask me. And torturing animals makes them taste better. ;)
it is true that its a waste of money bc any company really can put the label "free range" or "cage free" on eggs and chicken bc its not supervised by the gov or watever.it is NOT true however that torturing an animal makes it taste better.

Actually, there's something much worse than vitamim deficiency if you don't eat red meat... there's IRON deficiency which can result in a condition called pernecious anemia and it CAN be life threatening!! I used to work for a crazy woman who prided herself on being a vegetarian and she came down with that condition. Since the body can't store iron, the only treatment is regular visits to the doctor for iron shots. People who suffer from PA are anxious, neurotic and can suffer delusions, hair loss and other physical problems. Once you've got it, you have it the rest of your life... regardless of what you eat.

Iron is only found in RED MEAT (small amts in some green veggies, but not enough to do you any good).

To stay healthy, people should eat a healthy combo of all foods... in moderation, of course.

;)
SMWshe probly didnt take vitamin suplements.

she probly didnt take vitamin suplements.
that's just it! you shouldn't have to.

hey,im only looking at it through the animals pov.sorry if i insulted you.it only started out as a few facts then turned into an arguement about vegans.some1 said it was a tool 4 PETA.well its not.i dont support PETA bc i think their ways of approaching animal cruelty and fighting against it are just as barbaric as the cruelty itself.PETA is ineffective from wat i see.there should be a group that actually makes a little more progress.im not trying to insult anyone who likes peta so dont get mad.

no ones getting mad,just stating their opinions and discussing the topic and some others that branched off of it. Cool down....breathe....it's alright:)

sorry thanks

i just think factory farming and stuff like that is cruel.we should kill our food HUMANELY at the least.arent we supposed to be civilized???an example.a crocodile in a river sits quietly for its food,when it comes,a quick snap and its done and over with.no suffering.at least its quicker than wat humans do.see,the crocodile is more civilized than us!humans tend to put themselves superior to all other living beings,but we dont stop to think,"hey,maybe this being KNOWS wat its going through" or "hey maybe the animal has a sense of self like me".thats why i hate animal cruelty.especially slaughter and especially CAPTIVITY.

sorry thanks


you don't need to apologize,it's good :smile2:

That's not true. As long as you make sure to eat a varied diet, with lots of different types of legumes/nuts/etc., you can get all the amino acids you need. Vegetarians and vegans can easily get enough of everything they need, they just have to pay attention to it more.

Well, I've heard nutritionists say that there are things you need that you can't get from plants and that you need to add food supplements to get it. What they all say tho is that variety is the most healthy, Eating only vegetables certainly isn't much variety.

I don't eat much myself either, I'm fairly skinny, but at least I get a good variety of red and white meat, fish and vegs.

Well, I've heard nutritionists say that there are things you need that you can't get from plants and that you need to add food supplements to get it. What they all say tho is that variety is the most healthy, Eating only vegetables certainly isn't much variety.

I don't eat much myself either, I'm fairly skinny, but at least I get a good variety of red and white meat, fish and vegs.
Vegetarians don't JUST eat vegetables. :p

I dunno, I'd never be a vegetarian, but it's perfectly possible to be healthy if you are one, even if food supplements have to be involved. I've heard nutritionists say that everyone needs to take some vitamins and supplements to be perfectly healthy.

Vegetarians don't JUST eat vegetables. :p

I dunno, I'd never be a vegetarian, but it's perfectly possible to be healthy if you are one, even if food supplements have to be involved. I've heard nutritionists say that everyone needs to take some vitamins and supplements to be perfectly healthy.

I have a theory about these nutritionists, when people start to talk about other things, they have a list of who's turn it is to say something silly and radical in media to get the debate going again!

Gets tiresome after a while :)