Very tired...

It saddens me to leave this community, but my utter disappointment here leaves me no option. Perhaps I shall turn to more worthy intellectual endeavors, like watching QVC. The future remains unknown.


Call me when you all grow up.



Just my last 2 cents.

Oh my goodness... I can't believe another person is leaving. Mr. Shaman is banned and people are still leaving; now what should that tell us?

Oh my goodness... I can't believe another person is leaving. Mr. Shaman is banned and people are still leaving; now what should that tell us?
What does it tell you?

What does it tell you?

That Shaman was never the problem as I have been saying all along.

That Shaman was never the problem as I have been saying all along.
I don't exactly agree.

It says to me that there are more problems than just Shaman - including, IMO, people's reactions to Shaman. It's slightly amusing, but the level of hostility around here just keeps going up and up. We should all try to reduce it.

....the level of hostility around here just keeps going up and up. We should all try to reduce it.


Yes, how true.

Just be sure to never, ever say anything in the slightest way negative about any person or politician who is Conservative, and everything will be hunky dorry.

Mmmkkkkaaay??

That Shaman was never the problem as I have been saying all along.

You sound like a Carny Barker giving the Eulogy at the
Geek's Funeral.

Yes, how true.

Just be sure to never, ever say anything in the slightest way negative about any person or politician who is Conservative, and everything will be hunky dorry.

Mmmkkkkaaay??
:rolleyes: Most posters here disapprove of George Bush, as we saw in a recent poll. This is not a Bush-loving, rightwing stronghold.

Mr. Shaman is banned
He's been banned for all of three days.

He's been banned for all of three days.
Yes, I know that. Did I ever say anything to the contrary?

Yes, I know that. Did I ever say anything to the contrary?
Calm down, I was just pointing out the duration. Wanted to make sure it was clear.

Calm down
:confused: Okay...

Yes, how true.

Just be sure to never, ever say anything in the slightest way negative about any person or politician who is Conservative, and everything will be hunky dorry.

Mmmkkkkaaay??
This highlights, very concisely IMO, the same problem that afflicts your political take on things. I just can't imagine how someone so bright can manage to twist reality to a degree in which I previously thought impossible. Actually, some of your interpretations give an all-new meaning to the word "wacky". To be completely honest, it's totally baffling.

Yes, how true.

Just be sure to never, ever say anything in the slightest way negative about any person or politician who is Conservative, and everything will be hunky dorry.

Mmmkkkkaaay??

Give it a rest FT.

It appears the combo of FT/Shaman/TO/Prae/Frogger/Dbum really gets to folks after a while. Too bad we can't all get together over a few gallons of Jack Daniels and find the root of the problem.

My theory is this. AFN can stand a certain number of mindless agenda-pushers. We tolerate FT, dharma, waldo, gmsisko. (when he was around) More than that, and they all seem to meld together into one single huge depression on the boards, because they're so mindless, that no one can keep up with all the shit they post. Which is why as soon as Shaman started posting again, truth joined in, and while truth might not have been all that bad all on his lonesome, the combo of FT, dbum, shaman, and to, all of a sudden became a big huge mass of dumbassery. They were replying to each other, starting threads for each other, and in general just taking over the board. People don't seem to like to be overwhelmed, one tries to argue on one of the threads, only to be shouted down by two or three people all pushing the same crap.

The solution? Push out the worst offenders. Shaman and truth are relatively new, (shaman's previous time here was just as annoying as his current one) and neither of them are particularly liked. Nobody likes dbum either, but for whatever reason he's tolerated. FTs posts can be quite enjoyable at times. So shaman gets the axe, seeing as he's the worst one. truth, with any luck, will see what he's doing wrong, and self moderate before he too gets a temporary ban.

But, seeing as how shaman's ban is only temporary, he may come back, and if truthout is still around then, they'll all just band together again and logjam the boards, they just won't be making shitloads of threads. It might not actually get any better. But I hope we'll all be a little wiser and quicker to act, then.

I'm taking a couple days off from Allforums to decide whether I wish to participate here any longer.

When I have people like es347fan accusing me of being the reason evilhomer is leaving it tells me this site is going to hell in a handbasket.

es347fan is the person who posted all the fake Overdose posts. That was an act of true hatred. He was so over the top that he had to remove himself as a moderator.

While I may have been over the top in the past I have been careful to not be so for quite a while. I have done my best to keep my posts adult and not imflammatory. It seems that is not enough to suit people like es. Fine. If I am the reason people are leaving, let the moderators tell me so and I will make my hiatus from this site permenant.

As for you, es347 fan, don't call me, I'll call you. In other words don't ever expect me to support you again as I did when you acted like such a jerk in the Overdose situation.

What does it tell you?
ban DB too? :D


(j/k)

I'm taking a couple days off from Allforums to decide whether I wish to participate here any longer.

When I have people like es347fan accusing me of being the reason evilhomer is leaving it tells me this site is going to hell in a handbasket.

es347fan is the person who posted all the fake Overdose posts. That was an act of true hatred. He was so over the top that he had to remove himself as a moderator.

While I may have been over the top in the past I have been careful to not be so for quite a while. I have done my best to keep my posts adult and not imflammatory. It seems that is not enough to suit people like es. Fine. If I am the reason people are leaving, let the moderators tell me so and I will make my hiatus from this site permenant.

As for you, es347 fan, don't call me, I'll call you. In other words don't ever expect me to support you again as I did when you acted like such a jerk in the Overdose situation.
What a fucking drama queen! :rolleyes: Enjoy your days off. Sometimes I take a few days off just to change things up.

Frogger, I didn't single you out, I placed you in a group with several others who came to mind as I considered why folks are bailing. Don't go around feeling like there's a target on your back.
Of late I've sat back and watched things. And yeah, Frogger, presently you fit into the antagonistic group. There are others. A few months back it would have been me in there as well.
I readily stepped down & took a bit of a break when I realized I was overly involved and personalizing nearly everything I read.
Sorry you're feeling so offended, Frogger.

Yes, how true.

Just be sure to never, ever say anything in the slightest way negative about any person or politician who is Conservative, and everything will be hunky dorry.

Mmmkkkkaaay??I have no problem with negative comments about conservative politicians or conservatives in general even tho i am one. However, when it becomes your mantra, and your sole reason for posting on any topic, i think there is a problem.

If anyone is being overly dramatic in this post, its evil homer. If you want to leave, fine. Why bother posting that you're gonna leave. I left the boards for quite a while and never felt the need to explain myself for doing so.

Just pointing fingers and bailing is useless.

ban DB too? :D


(j/k)
:lolhit:

It appears the combo of FT/Shaman/TO/Prae/Frogger/Dbum really gets to folks after a while. Too bad we can't all get together over a few gallons of Jack Daniels and find the root of the problem.
Jesus, then there would be a problem. Too much native american blood in this boy to drink the fire water and talk politics. :drinktoth

Too much native american blood in this boy to drink the fire water and talk politics. :drinktothMe, too. Next thing you know it's all about holdin' hands and singing We Are The World, then passing out naked on the hood of somebody's car, waking up with a goddam earring and not knowing how the cat slept in your mouth!

Me, too. Next thing you know it's all about holdin' hands and singing We Are The World, then passing out naked on the hood of somebody's car, waking up with a goddam earring and not knowing how the cat slept in your mouth!Ahaaaa!!! You know of what i speak. :)

Me, too. Next thing you know it's all about holdin' hands and singing We Are The World, then passing out naked on the hood of somebody's car, waking up with a goddam earring and not knowing how the cat slept in your mouth!


I always thought you sang Kumbaya(sp?)

Ahaaaa!!! You know of what i speak. :)Unfortunately... 1/4 Commanche, don't take much to bust the damn paint out.:cool:

I always thought you sang Kumbaya(sp?)Old school rockin' the house!

I have no problem with negative comments about conservative politicians or conservatives in general even tho i am one.

Okay. Good for you. I applaud you.

But; that makes you the only conservative I have ever encountered who does not immediately become extremely defensive and angry whenever anything critical is said --or even a simple observation is made or a question asked -- about some Conservative politician's actions.

However, when it becomes your mantra, and your sole reason for posting on any topic, i think there is a problem.

Uh huh. Riiiiiight.

And what about when it becomes the mantra of some of the posters here, and their sole reason for posting on any thread being started here --involving current political issues-- to make endless excuses for and obfuscations about and denials of the actions of certain Conservative politicians that are having attention called to them..........?!?!?!?

THAT is when to me there is a problem. As we have just seen with the flame war instigated by the worshipers of All-Things-Conservative who are so prevalent here.

Wow, I'm off AllForums for a couple of weeks and the place starts going down the crapper. What happened here?

Wow, I'm off AllForums for a couple of weeks and the place starts going down the crapper. What happened here?
Well... A lot of people started freaking out about Truthout and Shaman's multiple Bush bashing threads, and that started a debate about whether the mods' consideration of doing something about it was politically motivated... Then the shit slinging really began, everyone started blaming everyone else (well, only those who don't agree with them politically of course) for the downhill trend around here... Several posters have left the politics section completely, including OldPhart and Evil Homer.

Then Nappy started a vendetta against Shaman and Truth, promising to "run them off", and lots of people have joined him in threadjacking all of their threads. Then Shaman was banned, as an attempt to quiet everything down I suppose, but it was too late and it just made it even worse.

Then Jenny was complaining about how the moderators here are horrible and "not real moderators" in several different threads, culminating with pissing Borg off so badly that he banned her... So the left wing posters are now in a complete uproar since two of them have been banned, the right wingers and quite a few others are threadjacking left and right, since Truthout has continued to post and has not been run off yet...

Point is, there's a sort of war going on around here, and everyone has either picked a side or decided that both sides are stupid. Some people are saying this is some sort of deciding moment, that Allforums is going to fall apart or something.

...Point is, there's a sort of war going on around here, and everyone has either picked a side or decided that both sides are stupid...

I'm in the latter category.

Today on as Allforums turns...

I'm in the latter category.

Today on as Allforums turns...

I'm just relieved as hell my name hasn't come up yet on this thread!! ;)

Really, y'all... get a grip. Allforums is a message board, not the holy grail. Troublemakers will come and go and the best way to discourage them is to ignore them. If you're so sensitive you have to ponder whether or not to stick around, then you probably shouldn't be posting here in the first place.

JMHO. Feel free to bash hell outta me, if you'd like. I'm tough... I can take it.

:hahanot:
SMW

I'm taking a couple days off from Allforums to decide whether I wish to participate here any longer.

When I have people like es347fan accusing me of being the reason evilhomer is leaving it tells me this site is going to hell in a handbasket.

es347fan is the person who posted all the fake Overdose posts. That was an act of true hatred. He was so over the top that he had to remove himself as a moderator.

While I may have been over the top in the past I have been careful to not be so for quite a while. I have done my best to keep my posts adult and not imflammatory. It seems that is not enough to suit people like es. Fine. If I am the reason people are leaving, let the moderators tell me so and I will make my hiatus from this site permenant.

As for you, es347 fan, don't call me, I'll call you. In other words don't ever expect me to support you again as I did when you acted like such a jerk in the Overdose situation.
YEAH!!!!!!!! :rant: What Frogger said, Es - ya bastard! :D

Then the shit slinging really began, everyone started blaming everyone else (well, only those who don't agree with them politically of course) for the downhill trend around here... Several posters have left the politics section completely, including OldPhart and Evil Homer.

Actually I have been saying the same thing that I have been saying for almost a year, and it has nothing to do with political leanings. The problem around here has been and continues to be a penchant by certain posters for personal attacks that have gone for the most part unchallenged by the moderators. The trend is always the same, some new poster arrives and tries to post some new topics for discusion, someone comes along and attacks the person, pissing them off and escalating the situation into a thead war.

I have complained to different moderators about it at various points and have always been told basicly the same thing, "we don't want to police behavior". But what ends up happening is always the same, the mods ignore the situation until it escalates and infects the whole board and then they end up trying to police behavior after things have already gotten out of hand. If they would just put a stop to the personal attacks when they start, then things would not escalate to this point.

What happened here?
To be honest with you, I really don't know, Jester, although to make a long story short, a (surprise, surprise - ultra-liberal) mod here is, once again, being ostracized by the likes of FT, Dharmabum, and Truthout for supposedly championing "all things conservative" when all he did was decide to take the initiative and temporarily ban a glorified spammer (who, at one point in time, was relegated to posting in ONE section here because he started so many useless threads, but I suppose that wasn't a "big enough" clue for him to stop that shit). The irony here lies in the fact that the three aforementioned idiots above said nothing when Vile temporarily banned Frogger (which Frogger deserved, BTW), and now, I guess (as Yogi Berra would say) it's 'deja vu all over again', but apparently, with a different set of circumstances attached.

As far as I can tell, he was just doing his job in both instances.

As for Borg banning that mindless wonder, Jenny - who knows; but when someone who's amassed less than 200 posts starts making wide-sweeping pronouncements on the "quality" of our boards, then (and I'm not saying I entirely agree with his decision) maybe she had it coming. If anything, for simply being unable to craft a sentence worthy of a 6th grade lab report in science class, but whatever - that's just my opinion....

to make a long story short, a (surprise, surprise - ultra-liberal) mod here is, once again, being ostracized by the likes of FT, Dharmabum, and Truthout for supposedly championing "all things conservative" when all he did was decide to take the initiative and temporarily ban a glorified spammer

You're promoting a falsehood there, Prae.

I said nothing whatsoever about Vile "championing all things conservative". I noted that the people here who do champion all things conservative were the ones who began the whining and complaining.

I not only did not accuse Vile of championing all things conservative, I commended him on being extremely fairminded and impartial.

I guess we see now who the real *idiot* is.

You're promoting a falsehood there, Prae.

I said nothing whatsoever about Vile "championing all things conservative". I noted that the people here who do champion all things conservative were the ones who began the whining and complaining.

I not only did not accuse Vile of championing all things conservative, I commended him on being extremely fairminded and impartial.


Well said FT.

I noted that the people here who do champion all things conservative were the ones who began the whining and complaining.
Oh, that's right - because you never whine or complain yourself, eh? Not unlike Shaman, you find a reason in EVERY THREAD YOU PARTICIPATE IN to bash anybody who doesn't bandy about the same cuckoo theories you do. Oh, and FYI, we were complaining about him spamming our boards like the trollish little bitch he is (which is against the rules, mind you), not his so-called "message" (or more appropriately in this context, lack thereof).

Have you ever wondered why the "conservative" posters amongst us haven't complained about you? I mean, seriously - what really differentiates you from Shaman in the grand scheme of things? Uhhh, maybe the fact that you're not a fucking spammer!? :eek: :rolleyes:
I not only did not accuse Vile of championing all things conservative, I commended him on being extremely fairminded and impartial.

I guess we see now who the real *idiot* is.
I suppose I could've misread it. If I did, I apologize.

P.S. I don't think you're an idiot in the traditional sense if that makes you feel any better. :)

Well said FT.
Oh, gee - have a look at this everyone....I think polly wants a cracker. Again. What a shocker. :rolleyes:

Oh, gee - have a look at this everyone....I think polly wants a cracker. Again. What a shocker. :rolleyes:

Once again, Prat provides another example of what REALLY brings the quality of debate down on these boards.

Just like I have been saying all along.

Would someone please just ban him so we can have productive and enjoyable discussions for change?

Well said FT.

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t33/texrose752/pirate_parrot_on_computer_lg_wht.gif

I suppose I could've misread it. If I did, I apologize.

P.S. I don't think you're an idiot in the traditional sense if that makes you feel any better. :)

Ok. It does.

I do not mind if --in strictly the way that men talk to one another-- you meant it as --"Aw, ya fucking idiot!"-- like my friends and i do when we're out drinking together or shooting skeet or what have you.

I thought you were being more serious. Apology accepted. I know how you meant it now.

Once again, Prat provides another example of what REALLY brings the quality of debate down on these boards.

Just like I have been saying all along.

Would someone please just ban him so we can have productive and enjoyable discussions for change?
Ask away, fool - it's not gonna happen. Oh, and it's somewhat funny that you're under the delusion you provide "productive OR enjoyable" discussion here. I don't know whether you're aware of the fact that 5 or 6 months ago, a sizeable portion of Allforums wanted to conduct an "ignore Dharmabum" campaign. Now THAT'S funny, IMO. And quite sad at the same time, but alas, I guess you're not leaving our dysfunctional little community any time soon, are you? Much to everybody's chagrin here, that's really too bad.

Ok. It does.

I do not mind if --in strictly the way that men talk to one another-- you meant it as --"Aw, ya fucking idiot!"-- like my friends and i do when we're out drinking together or shooting skeet or what have you.

I thought you were being more serious. Apology accepted. I know how you meant it now.
Truth be told, FT, I like you. I fucking loathe your politics, but I think you're a good addition to Allforums, and having said that, I'd be sad if you left. I most certainly don't think you're an idiot. At all, actually. That adjective is reserved for people who should be sporting "special" helmets. You know, people like Dharmabum and Truthout.

It really is too bad that people like Prat and SMW, who constantly post personal attacks with no intention except to start fights and hijack threads are allowed to do so with impunity.

At least I can get along with people who don't always agree with me, like Liquidfork and Paul, and we still manage to have pleasant conversations. Prat and SMW don't seem to be able to get along with anyone on here who isn't like minded.

That adjective is reserved for people who should be sporting "special" helmets. You know, people like Dharmabum and Truthout.
Prae, you confused ideology with stupidity. Neither of those people are stupid. They're just...relentless, I suppose? Single-minded? It's not a posting style which lends itself well to a more community-based forum like us, which is probably why you have such animosity toward them. Personality-less but prolific posters like Dharma and truthout tend to rub most people the wrong way.

It really is too bad that people like Prat and SMW, who constantly post personal attacks with no intention except to start fights and hijack threads are allowed to do so with impunity.
You cannot possibly recognize the fact that people who aren't Republicans can be mean and nasty too, can you? The problems on this forum are not caused entirely by rightwingers!

When there is disagreement there will sometimes be unpleasantness, but that's just something you live with. I don't think the mods should have to police the boards so much that they ban anyone who makes a personal attack. We need to find a way to solve our problems that doesn't involve banning. Perhaps if everyone in this community had a little more respect for each other we could work things out. And that includes you. You say that you've only succumbed to the personal attacking because of endless attempts to stop it - the whole "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" thing I suppose? But I remember when you joined, and I have to say that you were pretty unpleasant from the beginning, or at least near the beginning. So don't blame us for being a "bad influence" on you. If we're gonna play that game, then maybe it's the other way around.

Personality-less but prolific posters like Dharma and truthout tend to rub most people the wrong way.

Thats funny, considering how well I get along with certain right-wingers who are not as relentlessly single-minded as Prat or SMW, like Liquidfork for example.

When moderators decide to post personal attacks, like you just did, sets a horrible example and lowers the tone of the entire board.

This was beneath you Borg.

Shame on you.

Thats funny, considering how well I get along with certain right-wingers who are not as relentlessly single-minded as Prat or SMW, like Liquidfork for example.

When moderators decide to post personal attacks, like you just did, sets a horrible example and lowers the tone of the entire board.

This was beneath you Borg.

Shame on you.
He posted his opinion. You took it personal. That doesnt make his opinion a personal attack.

You cannot possibly recognize the fact that people who aren't Republicans can be mean and nasty too, can you? The problems on this forum are not caused entirely by rightwingers!

Excuse me, but I never brought up political leanings in what you just quoted. This is not about political leanings. It is about PERSONALITY. It is about showing a little respect for your fellow posters, which a certain small inner circle on here seems exempt from having to do because they can't seem to get along with anyone.

At least I can get along with people of the opposite political leanings, like liquidfork, without always getting into personal attacks.


Perhaps if everyone in this community had a little more respect for each other we could work things out.

If the mods would nip the personal attacks in the bud then everyone could have the room to have more respect for each other instead of letting things escalate the way they do now.

Thats funny, considering how well I get along with certain right-wingers who are not as relentlessly single-minded as Prat or SMW, like Liquidfork for example.

When moderators decide to post personal attacks, like you just did, sets a horrible example and lowers the tone of the entire board.

This was beneath you Borg.

Shame on you.
It wasn't a personal attack, Dharma. It wasn't an attack at all. It's not an insult, and I'm not putting you down. That's your posting style. Personality-less ideology. If you don't realize that, you're either lying to yourself or you just don't realize what you're doing. I don't know a single thing about you, as a person. Can't name one off the top of my head. Don't know what you like to eat, where you live, what kind of car you drive, how you'd react in a given situation. You're just a blank slate with politics attached, to me at least. I can name at least some things about most other posters. You're in a group I can't. It honestly doesn't fit well here.

It really is too bad that people like Prat and SMW, who constantly post personal attacks with no intention except to start fights and hijack threads are allowed to do so with impunity.

At least I can get along with people who don't always agree with me, like Liquidfork and Paul, and we still manage to have pleasant conversations. Prat and SMW don't seem to be able to get along with anyone on here who isn't like minded.

Gee, Dharma. Maybe that's because you constantly post personal attacks on US? It takes two to 'fight' dear... if you're not up to a lively debate with either me or Prae, then perhaps you should just ignore anything we say and we'd all get along just fine.

Funny how you blame the so-called 'downfall' of political discussions at Allforums on everyone except yourself. Heaven forbid you should be partly to blame for running people off. IMHO, you've become one of the biggest whiners around... always complaining.

"Wahhhh, people are being mean to poor me! Ban then, please!!"

Give us a break. Take a vacation.

:thumbs:
SMW

He posted his opinion. You took it personal. That doesnt make his opinion a personal attack.

Jenny was only posting her opinion and it got her banned because Borg took it personally.

Personal attacks can always hide behind the label of "opinion".

That doesn't make calling someone "single-minded" and "personality-less" any less of a personal attack.

It is about having respect for your fellow posters.

Some people on here think they have a right to be completely disrespectful because they never get called for it by the mods.

I don't know a single thing about you, as a person. Can't name one off the top of my head.

Have you ever tried?

Who's fault is that?

At least I can get along with people who don't always agree with me, like Liquidfork and Paul, and we still manage to have pleasant conversations. Prat and SMW don't seem to be able to get along with anyone on here who isn't like minded.
Are you kidding me!?!? This would be hilarious if your assertion here wasn't so shockingly sad in the first place. On that note, who else do you "get along with" here, Dharma? FT? Truthout? Shaman? I'm running outta names, so help me out....

Of course, there's a flip side to that coin, Dharma, and it goes a little something like this: do you have ANY IDEA how many people here think you're a worthless POS? Try a good 80 to 85% of this forum (which just so happens to include people on the right and left side of the political spectrum). Get a clue, moron.

Jenny was only posting her opinion and it got her banned because Borg took it personally.

Personal attacks can always hide behind the label of "opinion".

That doesn't make calling someone "single-minded" and "personality-less" any less of a personal attack.

It is about having respect for your fellow posters.

Some people on here think they have a right to be completely disrespectful because they never get called for it by the mods.
I dunno man. To me a personal attack is a statement off topic meant for nastiness and nothing else. Simply stating an opinion in a critical way makes it a lot less personal. At least to me.

I dunno man. To me a personal attack is a statement off topic meant for nastiness and nothing else.

You mean like this?


do you have ANY IDEA how many people here think you're a worthless POS? Try a good 80 to 85% of this forum Get a clue, moron.


Simply stating an opinion in a critical way makes it a lot less personal. At least to me.

Question, Do you think that what Jenny said was a personal attack worthy of banning?

You mean like this?Yes, that is a good example of a personal attack.






Question, Do you think that what Jenny said was a personal attack worthy of banning?I dont think it was the statement that got her banned. It was the intent behind the statement. Borg said something to that effect when he banned her.

I happen to agree with the decision, yes.

Have you ever tried?

Who's fault is that?

Aw, come on now, Dharma. I asked you a very simple and civil question on the health insurance thread and you refused to answer it. I might also add, you missed a very good chance to earn some respectability from me. (not that you care about that, but whatever...)

I said, "you're a business owner... do you provide health insurance for your employees?"

If you would have said, "Yes... and it costs me an arm and a leg," I would have thought you have a valid reason to be pushing for national healthcare.

Of course I admit, if you'd have said "No... I can't afford it," I would've thought you were a cheap bastardo who probably doesn't pay your employees enough to live on.

But regardless... I would've had more respect for you if you'd at least answered my very legitimate question instead of accusing me of trying to pry personal information out of you.

Instead, you chose to insult me time and time again by insinuating that every PERSONAL experience I was posting about was Bullshit. And that was before you ever even got involved in the discussion!

It's OK if you choose to be the man with no life, but full of opinions. Just don't expect to win many friends or allies... except the lunatic fringe, where you seem to be fitting in rather well lately.

SMW

You mean like this?
No - that's called being honest. All I know is, I'm not making it up.
Question, Do you think that what Jenny said was a personal attack worthy of banning?
No. Being an idiot shouldn't be a bannable offense, IMO - but that's not to say that I didn't understand why he did it.

Yes, that is a good example of a personal attack.

I quite agree.
Unfortunately that is the norm around here because the mods allow it.
Thus, even though most of us agree personal attacks need to stop, they won't, and nothing here will change.



I dont think it was the statement that got her banned. It was the intent behind the statement. Borg said something to that effect when he banned her.

As I recall he said something like "take your shit starting elsewhere."

Yet all I saw was her posting was her personal opinion about the job performance of the mods in general. She wasn't even attacking anyone in particular.

Prae, you confused ideology with stupidity.
I'm certainly not guilty of that with FT.
They're just...relentless, I suppose? Single-minded? It's not a posting style which lends itself well to a more community-based forum like us, which is probably why you have such animosity toward them. Personality-less but prolific posters like Dharma and truthout tend to rub most people the wrong way.
That's an excellent observation, Borg.

It's this kind of shit that brings a forum down. Someone expresses an opinion and it gets blown out of proportion. Soon after, everybody's gotta have the last word and the debacle is only going to escalate until "just leaving it alone" is done.

The threadjacking was funny at first, but now the whole situation has gotten out of hand. And if something isn't done soon, Allforums will collapse.

There is a huge difference between someone expressing an opinion and someone making personal attacks just to be nasty.

Other than that, I agree with you completely.

Yes, that is a good example of a personal attack.
That doesn't make it any less true, Havok. FACT: the VAST majority of our community doesn't like him, and I have the PMs to back it up. If I didn't respect and like these people as much as I do, then I suppose I could disregard their anonymity to prove my point, but I'm not gonna do that.

That doesn't make it any less true, Havok. FACT: the VAST majority of our community doesn't like him, and I have the PMs to back it up. If I didn't respect and like these people as much as I do, then I suppose I could disregard their anonymity here, but I'm not gonna do that.
For sure. Im as guilty as you are of personal attacks. I am a hot head and let my fingers fly before i calm down sometimes. Since ive returned to posting here, ive made an effort to put more thought/less emotion into what i communicate to others. Sometimes it works, other times, eh.

It's this kind of shit that brings a forum down. Someone expresses an opinion and it gets blown out of proportion. Soon after, everybody's gotta have the last word and the debacle is only going to escalate until "just leaving it alone" is done.

The threadjacking was funny at first, but now the whole situation has gotten out of hand. And if something isn't done soon, Allforums will collapse.

LOL... Allforums won't collapse any more than Yahoo collapsed when a bunch of us left there. I still check in there from time to time and it's the same ole same ole... not even a ripple left from the mass exodus.

The problem here is pretty much isolated in the political section. I have plenty of things I could gripe about about (gasp) CONSERVATIVES and REPUBLICANS, but find when I post there, I spend all my time in a defensive posture because everyone else is in the offensive mode.

However, that doesn't really bother me either. When I get frustrated with it, I find it easy to just stay away.

Im as guilty as you are of personal attacks.
Thanks, but no you're not. :D
I am a hot head and let my fingers fly before i calm down sometimes. Since ive returned to posting here, ive made an effort to put more thought/less emotion into what i communicate to others. Sometimes it works, other times, eh.
That's great, Havok. I totally respect that. :)

The problem here is pretty much isolated in the political section. I have plenty of things I could gripe about about (gasp) CONSERVATIVES and REPUBLICANS, but find when I post there, I spend all my time in a defensive posture because everyone else is in the offensive mode.
Bingo! That's it in a nutshell.

Prae and SMW,

I have had enough and have added you to my ignore list.

I urge you to do the same with me and let the board have a little peace.

I have had enough and have added you to my ignore list.
I wasn't on it already!?! :confused: What...was I being too kind?

Originally Posted by smartmouthwoman

The problem here is pretty much isolated in the political section. I have plenty of things I could gripe about about (gasp) CONSERVATIVES and REPUBLICANS, but find when I post there, I spend all my time in a defensive posture because everyone else is in the offensive mode.
Yes, but it's spilling over into other threads and topics, which in turn, seem to get more people riled up about the current situation.
When I get frustrated with it, I find it easy to just stay away.
Something that more people need to figure out how to do.

Prae and SMW,

I have had enough and have added you to my ignore list.

I urge you to do the same with me and let the board have a little peace.

I'm sure you won't see this since you have me on IGNORE, but let me say this about that threat...

:lolhit: :lolhit: :lolhit: :lolhit: :lolhit: :lolhit: :lolhit: :lolhit: :lolhit: :lolhit:

Where's his "threat" hiding, SMW?

Where's his "threat" hiding, SMW?

Who's "threat," Prae???

Oh, you mean Dharma. Don't know, I've already forgotten about him. Ain't it wonderful?

:banana:

Give it a rest, SMW. He had the decency to step out with you because you have irreconcilable differences. Shouldn't you have the same decency?

Give it a rest, SMW. He had the decency to step out with you because you have irreconcilable differences. Shouldn't you have the same decency?

Yes sir. Whatever you say, sir. Please don't ban me, sir.

(ugh, I might end up in the same cell with Shaman.)

I'se bein good... I promise.

:drive:

[quote=Freethinker]Yes, how true.

Just be sure to never, ever say anything in the slightest way negative about any person or politician who is Conservative, and everything will be hunky dorry.



Of course this fuck stick is another reason people are leaving. Always playing the vicitim.

Did FT piss in your cornflakes this morning, Trav?

ya, he is an asshole. I get tired of his holier then thou posts.

Here's a few observations I've made about the hostilities on Allforums. Forgive the use of 'labels' -- I normally hate those things. Sometimes they're necessary.

Mob rule here has determined that everyone gets a label. If you show any patriotism, or support the president, or show concern for the future of this country by questioning campaign issues like national healthcare, you're labeled a flag-waving, rightwing Conservative/Republican. Post something about the Bible and you become one of those morons who believes in that magic flying man in the sky. It's like putting a big target on your butt. Dare to speak up on any issue after you've been labeled, and here they come... armed with adjectives and out for blood. It takes a thick-skinned person to participate in any discussions here. Especially females.

Interesting fact. The majority of regs, mods and our dear benefactor, Drew, are Liberals and Atheists.

The result -- Allforums is a haven for Libs & Atheists and not very welcoming for those with opposing views. I can't tell you the last time a new Cons Christian signed up here... and stayed. Hell, I think it was ME! That's not necessarily a BAD thing. But it does make it very challenging for non-liberal believers. Nobody hears what the other is saying. Everybody is too busy planning their defense.

As long as liberal atheists are in control, nothing here will ever change. Nor should it. After all, it's their site and their rules Freedom of speech comes before mandatory respect for fellow posters. And besides, nobody is forcing any of us to stay here.

But if someone is looking for a pleasant place to respectfully discuss current issues, this certainly ain't the place. In fact, I'm not too sure such a place exists on the 'net! IMHO, the good folks here outnumber the bad and I'm sticking around. If for no other reason, to see if there's a continuation of the Shaman show. And if another Warrior shows up. That's entertainment, folks. Pure & simple. And I can always retreat to the relative sanity of my own lil homebase thread... you know, the useless one that's considered a monument to my over-inflated ego?

;)
SMW

I'm not a liberal or an atheist, and I'm pretty sure that the majority of our posters are not liberal atheists. The majority may be either a liberal or an atheist, I dunno...

I'm not a liberal or an atheist, and I'm pretty sure that the majority of our posters are not liberal atheists. The majority may be either a liberal or an atheist, I dunno...
Then you get into the debate as to what constitutes a "liberal". Which is a completely bullshit debate.

It takes a thick-skinned person to participate in any discussions here. Especially females.


How so?

Self-important females, no doubt.

But then, even self-important males need their thick skin. And I've got the thickest around!

And I've got the thickest around!
As far as skulls go, sure!

:lolhit: As far as skulls go, sure!

Skin, skulls, it's all the same!

Skin, skulls, it's all the same!

No...Yer the same.
Hardly ever more Danny a glimmer of insight,oughta ya.
Don't you ever tire of riding a tricycle to work.?

I am constantly amazed by your post count.

I am constantly amazed by your post count.

Weld,I guess if one is Living in a Kafkaesque world of constant
Post counting,they may suffer the Post Danny boy blues.

" I think we ought to read only the kind of books that
wound and stab us. "

-- Franz Kafka

It takes a thick-skinned person to participate in any discussions here. Especially females.


How so?



*crickets chirping*

Well, I can't speak for any other females, but I'm very sensitive. I've even been known to cry about some things said to me here. I guess SMW may be saying that females are more sensitive and more likely to get their feelings hurt by the constant personal attacks.

How so?



*crickets chirping*

Let's see, HaVoK... how many females post regularly in the political section?

There's me... and DF...

*more crickets chirping*

Just an observation. Not a condemnation.

Same thing with the liberal atheist issue. I have real life friends who are one or the other... or both, and we get along just fine. But of course, we don't have daily discussions about our differences, either.

;)
SMW

Well, I can't speak for any other females, but I'm very sensitive. I've even been known to cry about some things said to me here. I guess SMW may be saying that females are more sensitive and more likely to get their feelings hurt by the constant personal attacks.

If that be true,then explain why,IT'S the Females,who File for
Divorce,First.?

If that be true,then explain why,IT'S the Females,who File for
Divorce,First.?
LOL.... Maybe they're tired of being nagged by their husbands. :p

LOL.... Maybe they're tired of being nagged by their husbands. :p

Um,That's not the way it works.
Cite for me a Movie where the hubby is the Nagpie.
It's ALWAYS the Wife.
Practically written-in to most Writers Contracts Via their Union.
The Husband WILL BE the Naggee.
Got it.?

Let's see, HaVoK... how many females post regularly in the political section?

There's me... and DF...

*more crickets chirping*

Just an observation. Not a condemnation.


SMW

Politics are dull. I'd rather spend money, sleep, scrub the terlit, or run over people. I just have no interest. Maybe if the politicos were DEAD I'd be interested. Then they'd be "historical". Lol. Besides, dead folk can't defend themselves.:eek: