It seems these days deer hunting is just another excuse to get drunk.
The majority of deer hunting is done by folks who have little need to do it. It is a status activity or a chance to seem to behave like a 'real man' after a year of slothful living filled with beer drinking and stuffing the belly.
One of the 'modern' techniques of deer hunting is driving the deer - that is, one of the least drunk (or most drunk) is dropped off in the woods and drives the deer to the others waiting in a field opposite the dumb cluck that is driving the deer.
The ones that are waiting blast anything coming out of the woods. If the dumb cluck comes out first he better be wearing read and hollering something awful or he might just get plugged himself.
Another 'technique' is to nail a bunch of old boards and plywood (manufactured often in Chine) together in some young tree. Then the 'hunter', who has paid a few dollars to the state for a 'license', climbs up in the tree and sits there - often drinking to keep warm (which is wrong-headed as alcohol makes you prone to exposure) - and waits for a deer to wander by.
This year I was amused by the experience one hunter I know had. He went to his 'blind' (the box in the tree) and was waiting patiently for a deer to wander by when he noticed a guy walking by waving his arms and firing his gun into the air.
After the guy disappeared into the woods another guy came from another direction and was waving his arms and jumping up and down. After he left the meadow another guy showed up and headed off in the opposite direction.
This sort of thing went on throughout the day.
Eventually a deer showed up trying to escape one of the several 'hunters' who were hopping around the woods.
The man in the tree took a shot and hit the deer but it ran away. The State Game officer had been watching the show but would not let the hunter pursue the deer into the bush because there were too many hunters around.
During the late 1800's and early 1900's rich men used to pay to go on safari. The rich men would be planted somewhere in the bush at a camp. Many natives would drive the animals to them and they would sit there and blast away until no more animals were coming out of the woods.
When Vice President Cheney shot an old man he was on a similar type of 'hunt' but that involved birds. How he shot a guy in the butt when he should have been shooting into the air gives us some insight into why our Army invaded Iraq when the maniacs that destroyed the World Trade Center in New York City were actually from Saudi Arabia.
Whining hunters are not to be taken seriously unless they are carrying their weapons at the time of the whining.

I once heard a comedian say "Yeah, hunting is a sport. Only the deer doesn't know he's playing!"

It is obvious you have never hunted, Cranston.

:upyours:
Hey Frogger - what's your position on the issue or are you going to try and frog up the issue at hand?

When did you hunt last 'Frogger'? (Frog-gigging not included)
Your one sentence reply doesn't tell us anything - it merely attempts to refute something you do not know.

Tell us about driving the deer 'Frogger'.
Tell us about how much money the individual states make from selling us Americans hunting licenses. (If you are not an American you can still get the information on the internet)
Tell us about how much it costs to make a high powered rifle and how much it costs to buy it at Walmart and who is making the money.

How many deer do you have to shoot to get your gun and ammunition investment back, 'Frogger'?

Read a couple of issues of 'Field and Stream' and get back to me with some real information and a real stand (pardon the pun) on the issue.
:drive:

:upyours:

Nice way to start a discussion, Cranston. :rolleyes:


Tell us about how much it costs to make a high powered rifle and how much it costs to buy it at Walmart and who is making the money.

Who cares? The gun companies don't have a right to make a profit?


How many deer do you have to shoot to get your gun and ammunition investment back, 'Frogger'?

Huh? People hunt for recreational purposes, Cranston. I've never met a hunter who was trying to recoup their investment in ammunition. ;)

some things he says is true. bunch of drunks running around blasting away in the woods. but i see it as potential getting rid of another genetic defect. lazy hunters. hunt once or twice a year. get drunk, kill something, go home and thump his chest.

i hunt. i don't drink and hunt. i hunt for food. and i LEARN the patterns of the deer i hunt. i say prayers before the hunt and after. i do use a treestand because where i can hunt is on top of a mountain that has the obvious history of erractic wind patterns. one direction one minute and comes from another in another minute. try to be on the ground with that and be successful is very hard unless you hunt the fields. i am in the woods. my longest shot is no more than 25 yards. and always with a bow, or small caliber in the head. if i kill , i give tobacco to its spirit in thanks. i leave the heart in the woods, always. and i use as much as possible of the animal i kill. even the hide.

not all hunters are fat lazy rednecks, drunk, and do stoopit shit. it is too bad they are the ones who get all the press.

i hate , i forget his name now , damn alzheimers, a musician with his own television show of hunting. i've seen him spouting , "spirit of the wild" and brother to the natives, blah blah blah........... kills a deer and then GIGGLES on camera about it. and then the "buffalo hunt" on his farm. damn animals are almost TAME. he shoots one with his bow, and it is OBVIOUS the arrow barely penetrated the skin. and later you see this fraudulant sack of shit next to a dead buffalo giving his "spirit of the hunt" spiel.

:upyours:
Hey Frogger - what's your position on the issue or are you going to try and frog up the issue at hand?

My position is that hunting is fine and trhe majority of hunters are responsible people. You dont' jjust buy a rifle or shotgun and go out hunting. You have to have a hunting license and in order to get that you have to successfully complete a hunter safety course.

When did you hunt last 'Frogger'? (Frog-gigging not included)
Your one sentence reply doesn't tell us anything - it merely attempts to refute something you do not know.

I last hunted last year. I will probably hunt again later this year. I have been a hunter for almost fifty years. I figure I know quite a bit more about hunting than you.

Tell us about driving the deer 'Frogger'.

I have never driven deer and no one I know has ever driven deer. The hunters I know hunt in one of two ways, they either walk through the woods actively looking for deer sign or the set up a blind and sit there freezing waiting for a deer to come to the spot they have selected. They don't just set up a blind. They first look for deer sign, scat, hair on bark, deer rubs, nibbled buds, etc. and then set up their blind. They may use a deer call to try to call deer in near their blind. None of them drink anything other than coffee or tea. Alcohol makes you colder and unlike you, hunters know that.

Tell us about how much money the individual states make from selling us Americans hunting licenses. (If you are not an American you can still get the information on the internet)

The money made from selling licenses and duck stamps is used to improve habitat. The money actually benefits the animals. Far more are saved by habitat improvement than are killed by hunters.
Tell us about how much it costs to make a high powered rifle and how much it costs to buy it at Walmart and who is making the money.

How many deer do you have to shoot to get your gun and ammunition investment back, 'Frogger'?

I would have to shoot a hell of a lot of deer, ducks and turkey (I don't hunt only deer) in order to get my investment back. I have two rifles, two shotguns, a fifty caliber muzzle loader and a flintlock rifle. I will be purchasing a 45 cal. pistol in about two months. I also have a tent, a blind, gloves, parkas, coats, pants, boots, socks, gloves, mittens, scopes, deer, duck and turkey calls, and assorted other equipment associated with hunting. I guess I have a couple thousand dollars invested.

Read a couple of issues of 'Field and Stream' and get back to me with some real information and a real stand (pardon the pun) on the issue.
:drive:

I don't have to read Field and Stream to know more about hunting that do you. I also don't have to put an Up Yours icon on my post to try to make myself seem tough.

I will ignore you childish smiley and answer your questions.

i say prayers before the hunt and after.


i hate , i forget his name now , damn alzheimers, a musician with his own television show of hunting. i've seen him spouting , "spirit of the wild" and brother to the natives, blah blah blah........... kills a deer and then GIGGLES on camera about it. and then the "buffalo hunt" on his farm. damn animals are almost TAME. he shoots one with his bow, and it is OBVIOUS the arrow barely penetrated the skin. and later you see this fraudulant sack of shit next to a dead buffalo giving his "spirit of the hunt" spiel.


Saying a prayer before you go to hunt is one thing not alot of hunters do. When I went a few years back I did the same,said a prayer for a clean kill and would have said one after if I had killed a deer. I'm not a huge fan of guns so I prefer a bow and arrow. But to each their own

And pm,your thinking of Ted Nugent,his show is a damn laugh a minute in it's stupidity

frogger's got a flintlock rifle? damnit! i want one of those. lucky bugger.

i'm not a big fan of guns either michele. some of those rifles are just ridiculous overkill. blowing huge holes in the animals and wasting a lot of meat. but i've seen time and again where a lot of hunters only take the tenderloin and hams off a deer. wasteful and disrespectful. i like bows. but as i've gotten over 40 i've noticed my eyes are going out the window and i need good vision to SEE the smallest spot on an animal to hit that spot. i don't use sights. recurve, etc. no compounds for me. and a small caliber shot to just behind the ear or in the back of the head not only helps not to waste meat, but is also extremely humane.

the hunters around here are getting lazier by the year. a hell of a lot of them use 4 wheelers (ATV'S), special equipment to see, or range find, ride in, ride out, treestands that look like freakin easy chairs. (when will we one day find a hunter dead in one of those who had fallen asleep and froze to death- but that is one of the darwin effects) . and most of these people are not even handicapped. just more easy chair, mickey dees, cable tv living.

Frogger says you can't just go hunting.
Frogger says you need to take a 'Hunter's Safety Course'

Oh, man...oh...ha...ha...wait, not yet.

So who makes you take the course, Frogger?
Do you 'have' to take it when you buy the gun?
You don't need it to get a hunting license and let me tell you, this is the United States Frogger - you don't need a license to pull the trigger.

See what happens when you get nasty?
Nothing.
You are a good writer. Get some of that emotion out of it.

Cranston, I believe that the states decide whether or not one needs a safety class to get a license for hunting. Frogger lives in New York, and they probably require the class.

frogger's got a flintlock rifle? damnit! i want one of those. lucky bugger.
you don't want it the way he got it. General Washington let him keep his.

That's not the point.
I don't care where Frogger lives and I don't care where you live.

You have divulged personal information in a public forum in order to make some point of your own. You also did not address Point 1. You spoke to me about where Frogger lives and presumed information you do not have.

I didn't give you probably and I didn't talk about personal lives either.:drinktoth

That's not the point.
I don't care where Frogger lives and I don't care where you live.

You have divulged personal information in a public forum in order to make some point of your own. You also did not address Point 1. You spoke to me about where Frogger lives and presumed information you do not have.
Frogger's location is on every single post he makes, in case you didn't notice. :rolleyes:

Who cares if I didn't address the original point? I suspect that you are wrong, but as I don't have much personal experience with hunting, I chose not to join the discussion.

I didn't give you probably and I didn't talk about personal lives either.:drinktoth
What do you mean you didn't "give me probably"?

That's not the point.
I don't care where Frogger lives and I don't care where you live.

You have divulged personal information in a public forum in order to make some point of your own. You also did not address Point 1. You spoke to me about where Frogger lives and presumed information you do not have.

I didn't give you probably and I didn't talk about personal lives either.:drinktoth


wow....did someone wake up on the wrong side of the bed?
DF would be right,it goes by state as to how hunting permits are given. And you have to take a safety course here in Michigan before you can go hunting. Oops.....I gave my location on a public forum...bad Michelle:rolleyes:

wow....did someone wake up on the wrong side of the bed?
DF would be right,it goes by state as to how hunting permits are given. And you have to take a safety course here in Michigan before you can go hunting. Oops.....I gave my location on a public forum...bad Michelle:rolleyes:
i already knew :lolhit:

Cranston, I believe that the states decide whether or not one needs a safety class to get a license for hunting. Frogger lives in New York, and they probably require the class.

THE only thing New Yorkers hunt for is an excuse to
ridicule udders.AND that's a Fact.

That could have been really funny, Foolsworth, but you just had to squander the joke.

That could have been really funny, Foolsworth, but you just had to squander the joke.

Speakin of Ridicule,Aren't you a tad late and a dollar short of
respectfully Replying Via a PM.?

In case you haven't noticed, respectfulness isn't one of my strong suits.

In case you haven't noticed, respectfulness isn't one of my strong suits.

That coulda been really funny,but ya had to go and insert yerself
into the Yoke.

You're just no good at this, I see.

Are you trying to be cute, Michelle, or address the topic? I can't tell.

She addressed the topic. She stated that hunting license rules vary by state, and that in her state a safety class is required.

The topic is not hunting licens rules so she did not address the topic. Your knightly behavior is disruptive.

The topic is not hunting licens rules so she did not address the topic. Your knightly behavior is disruptive.
It is related to the topic. You stated earlier in the thread that a safety course was not needed to get a hunting license. Actually, in many states, it is required. I was not aware that the only posts allowed in the thread had to be 100% about what was in the first post. Sometimes ancillary topics related to the original premises add to a discussion. Also, I resent your statement that I am being disruptive, because I absolutely am not.

what exactly is your point numb nuts? Seems to me you went into a huge rant about hunting just so at the end you could pull a single zinger for a lame ass reason as to why we should of never went to war in iraq.... Or are you just anti hunting???? If that is the case go buy a peta T-shirt and stop being so damn abrasive on here. You bark and people will start barking back

Are you trying to be cute, Michelle, or address the topic? I can't tell.


I addressed it twice,theres nothing more I can say to address it further.
and I don't have to try to be cute.....I am

It seems the conversation had digressed to, 'I know you are, but what am I?'
:hula:

LiquidFork has provided us with not only a personal attack but a rather strange and foul addition to his signature. No real response though.

It seems the conversation had digressed to, 'I know you are, but what am I?'
:hula:


umm....please point out where anyone is playing that game?
If you mean myself,well,you're wrong. You asked a question,I answered it. There was no "I know you are,but what am I"
Answer me this,are you truly interested in discussing this topic or are you merely trying to start trouble?
A number of people have addressed the topic,in their own ways,and all you're doing is putting them down cause their answers or discussions were not about said topic to a T.

a rather strange and foul addition to his signature.


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