The latest Documentary chronicling the start and ulterior
motive behind Iraqi Freedom and it's causations.
I've already detected a high degree of passing the buck
and The Blame Game by those who speak and verify events
in this Documentary.
It's kinda like that nutbag Iraqi Diplomat to the U.N. who swore
all kinds of veiled threats against the United States if we dare
take on his leader Saddam and Oh Boy you'd just better watch out.
The opposite happened to both he and Saddam.
That diplomat scurried faster than any starvin N.Y.City rat
subsisting on crack crumbs from his little sheltered U.N. Brownstone
after the Invasion started and Shock and Awe kicked in.
Same here,I imagine.
The folk in this Documentary are lyin thru their teeth to protect
their Image and professional status,even those working in the
Adm.at the time.
More as i uncover how blatantly one-sided and skewed the accounts
in this Anti-Bush,Anti-Iraq War story.

Very insulting given that virtually ALL Wars are fluid
and seldom if ever run according to plan.
The initial phase of the March to Baghdad was too easy and
successfull.But yes,the mop-up was undervalued and
handled poorly.
But like ALL Wars,the effort is spread around.
I'm not surprised at the slant taken by the questions offered by
those making the film.
But rather by those who were directly involved in the War and
now offer expert hindsight,as if they knew all along what the right
course was gonna be.
From the initial bumbling of reliance on the insider expertise of
Chalabi to run things to even worse Paul Bremer and his
" get tough " approach,which included De-Ba'athification
and then doubly worse The 3rd overall Bremer decision to
Deband the Iraqi Military and Intelligence services.That left virtually
those in Saddam's army Unemployed with No option other than
to seek out an insurgency or go further underground.
All those out of work Republican Guard and Secret Police
numbered near 1/2 a million {500,ooo men},what was estimated
to be the equivalen of firing 5 million people in the U.S.
So,those men,instead of helping to prevent an insurgency,created one.
Such is War.
Hindsight is Not War.

" No End in Sight " {2007} THE Latest Grim overview of The
Iraq War,is well crafted,and seemingly authentic.It is professionally
presented with direct interviews of key Inside players.But,arguably
NOT a Pro vs. Con viewpoint.Just a Critique based on sour feelings
by insiders who may be trying to overhaul their image and roles
given the troubles in Iraq after the Initial Overwhelming ease in
which the March to Baghdad was mounted.
There's No Disputing the Historic drive {fastest Military Move into
Combat} every achieved.The follow-up or failed insight into
what will become of a conquered City and it's people after the
toppling effect of shock & awe was underestimated and highly
incompetent.I think most experts,BOTH Democrat AND Republican
will attest to that.
But,the full picture is being manipulated.It's basically a one-sided
view of the Negatives of War.If one takes a critical eye approach,they
will find subtle little mistakes in the Interviews.Exactly what Michael
Moore,has built his career on.Things that seem to quick a negative
assessment,probably are.
After All,the movie was a firsttime effort by Ferguson,at Producing,
Directing and Writing.And it won a Special Jury Prize at Sundance.
But then Sundance is full of Loons,that hand out Candy to grown
adults like it was a continuously Halloween.Remember - Blair Witch Project -.
Man I tore that movie apart.It was hyped,big time,on the Internet as
being based in Reality.Somethin actually filmed from a Live spooky
confrontation,when in Reality it was staged,and NOT Spontaneous.
Like Moore walkin out of that Bank with his Gun in hand,because he
wanted to show how easy it was to start a bank acount and get
yer free firearm.
Or how he hoodwinked the puiblic on his very first film,whose premise
was how impossibly hard it was to get an interview with the chairman
of GM.After watching the Movie - Roger & Me - one is supposed to
walk away thinkin,what a jerk that Roger Smith must be to keep
avoiding Michael Moore plea for a mere tete-a-tete.Just a few minutes even.
Well,Moore did have an invite and was granted TWO interviews with
Smith,one lasting more than 10 minutes.That's a lotta time for THE
biggest CEO in the World.
Oh!, and the movie that was released just last month by that Canadian
Woman { A big Fan of Moore's } who just wanted to interview Moore,and
spent more time than Moore did,trying to set-up that Interview than
Moore did for - Roger & Me -,was repeatedly given the Runaround by
Moore,saying he's too busy right now,maybe next year.
And how she was personally escorted from a Moore Rally Speech,because
her press pass couldn't pass muster by the Moore Nazi Police at
any of his gatherings in a Forum.
That is what this Country has turned into.
Documentary that are shams,under close inspection.
Filmmakers who play on the emotions and pull the heartstring of those
who take at face value,something intricately concocted to sway
a POV,especially a Political Agenda.And by hook or crook.
I guess Americans deserve to be used as bait.Like Moore continues to do.
I question the motives of this New Documentary.
How come Richard Armitage is so accessible quick with his 2 cents.
Why doesn't he resign,like Powell did,,if he doesn't want to be a
productive member of Winning in Iraq.Where was he,when expertise
was needed for suicceeding in Iraq.I'll teel ya where.Sittin back at the
State Dept.waitin to say ... I told you so.
And gettin paid for such ridiculousness.
Why wasn't he ever Hounded,just a little bit for FIRST Outing Valerie
Plame.It was Armitage,NOT Libby.
Because he's Anti-war and Anti-Bush.
Because that'a ALL one need know in this America of Ours.
What a sad day it's become.
" The Liberals Are Due on Maple Street "

it is easy to call for war when you aren't being shot at and your house isn't being blown up.

it is easy to call for war when you aren't being shot at and your house isn't being blown up.

Putz down the Bong and explain what you mean.
I haven't a clue...udderwise.

I haven't a clue.Clearly.

Clearly.

Ok,Mr.Nosy Parker.
Then You explain what he meant.?

That is indeed a long synopsis. I frankly can't read all that with gusto and interest. Can you give a summation for us limited readers. The first one had me interested..



or maybe not.....

This quagmire in Iraq has been perpetrated by the illegitimate resident bush. He stole both elections, he trashed our constitution, he steals from the poor to give to the rich, he kills our kids in the wars, he turned a great surplus of money into a huge deficit leaving us indebted so deeply to China that even our grandchildren’s adult lives will have to pay for it.

Never in the history of this country has an administration deserved to be impeached more so than this one.

This quagmire in Iraq has been perpetrated by the illegitimate resident bush. He stole both elections, he trashed our constitution, he steals from the poor to give to the rich, he kills our kids in the wars, he turned a great surplus of money into a huge deficit leaving us indebted so deeply to China that even our grandchildren’s adult lives will have to pay for it.

Never in the history of this country has an administration deserved to be impeached more so than this one.

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Butts... You forgot somethin.
Old Man Bush did Little Georgy Pourgy's Homework at BOTH
Harvard & Yale.
Dint ya.

This quagmire in Iraq has been perpetrated by the illegitimate resident bush. He stole both elections, he trashed our constitution, he steals from the poor to give to the rich, he kills our kids in the wars, he turned a great surplus of money into a huge deficit leaving us indebted so deeply to China that even our grandchildren’s adult lives will have to pay for it.

Never in the history of this country has an administration deserved to be impeached more so than this one.

the shit in the middle east started loooong before bush and company got in the game.
just in recent times there is how america and the c.i.a. and corporations backed saddam to overthrow the leader of iraq. this mess WILL not stop until the middle east nukes itself till it glows. OR give up the oil habit. which do you choose. you are just a responsible for the middle east, russia doing their thing to the oil field countires near them, etc.,etc., by starting your car or truck every morning.

I don't think it's Just Americans. I think that we Westerners have been seduced by television.

TV shows simplify everything: news is reduced to 15 sec clips, crime programs habitually solve all problems within the hour, (less actually, if you count the commercials), history is simplified by easily defining the good and bad guys, reality shows are produced by editing and manipulating the actual happenings. In particular, our human foibles and how we interact with each other are too frequently over-looked.

TV represents reality, yet it is not reality. It simplifies everything and does not challenge us to analyze the complexity of life or even think about the problems. Everything is neatly cut and dried and then spoon-fed to us.
It's therefore not surprising that when difficulties occur and there are no easy solutions, that someone must be at fault. Using 20-20 hind-sight it is obvious that these events would have occurred, why didn't so-and-so foresee it. He/she must be ....... insert appropriate words.

Purported documentaries follow these principles. They manipulate the truth, by emphasizing specific facts and failing to mention others, blame some convenient person or organization, and clearly demonstrate how some simple solutions will resolve the problem.

I do not complain that TV and documentary producers do this. After all, they are in business to make money. We should recognize what they are doing and recognize it for what it is, entertainment, NOT education.

then top it off with cheap food, and too much time sitting on their asses , add television. voila! instant idiot.

I don't think it's Just Americans. I think that we Westerners have been seduced by television.

TV shows simplify everything: news is reduced to 15 sec clips, crime programs habitually solve all problems within the hour, (less actually, if you count the commercials), history is simplified by easily defining the good and bad guys, reality shows are produced by editing and manipulating the actual happenings. In particular, our human foibles and how we interact with each other are too frequently over-looked.

TV represents reality, yet it is not reality. It simplifies everything and does not challenge us to analyze the complexity of life or even think about the problems. Everything is neatly cut and dried and then spoon-fed to us.
It's therefore not surprising that when difficulties occur and there are no easy solutions, that someone must be at fault. Using 20-20 hind-sight it is obvious that these events would have occurred, why didn't so-and-so foresee it. He/she must be ....... insert appropriate words.

Purported documentaries follow these principles. They manipulate the truth, by emphasizing specific facts and failing to mention others, blame some convenient person or organization, and clearly demonstrate how some simple solutions will resolve the problem.

I do not complain that TV and documentary producers do this. After all, they are in business to make money. We should recognize what they are doing and recognize it for what it is, entertainment, NOT education.

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I used to believe in that proposition,especially during the 60's
with Huntley & Brinkley and Walter Cronkite.Cronkite was THE most
trusted person in all of America.
Turns out he had an agenda.A Liberal bias.It seeped out,only seldom,
but who's to say,that CBS dint have a Bias running throughout it's
News division,putting a heavy slant on stories that fit their Agenda.
Cronkite all but Lost the War at home,when he gave an editorial
during the Tet Offensive citing the War was unwinnable.That drove
L.B.J to utter , > "If I've Lost Cronkite,I've lost the american people. " !

So,TV had an impact THEN< and it still does.
But now we have the Internet and a far more diverse mass of
opinions to sort out and analyze.
To be quite simple about it all,Just figger if it's a Liberal,then the story
has grave bias.Don't take my word for it.
Brent Bozell has researched this phenom,up and down and sideways.

The important point is that the movie "No End in Sight" is a very good movie and everyone should go rent it and decide for themselves.

The important point is that the movie "No End in Sight" is a very good movie and everyone should go rent it and decide for themselves.

It's Not a Movie,however.
It's a Documentary.
So,from the get-gO,yer in err.
Unless one wants to use an antiquated Thomas Edison
definition of the word.
Like you & yer Ilk wood knows a Movie from a Moviola machine.
That's how yer warped mind works.
Warping is not good for celluloid.

"Movie" is a more general term.
A documentary is a type of movie.
You are correct it is a documentary.
it is also a movie.

:thumbs:
db

Just curious, has there ever been a bad anti war or anti bush movie ever made?

Just curious, has there ever been a bad anti war or anti bush movie ever made?

I tinks you meant has there ever been a GOOD Anti-War/Bush
Movie made.?
- Redacted - is so bad and full of falsity that It's good no one
cares to permit it's viewing at a theatre.

Ah, the intricacies of the English language:). Now I'm thoroughly confused as to what either of you mean.:lolhit: