The UN defines genocide as:http://www.ohchr.org/english/law/genocide.htm- Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights
Terrorism as:http://www.unodc.org/unodc/terrorism_definitions.html- United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, Definitions of Terrorism-#4-Academic Consensus Definition

I'm doing a paper on whether the US bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was genocide. I'm arguing that it was not an act of genocide but rather an act of terrorism, but now, I keep thinking that terrorism is a form of genocide, but still they have two different definitions, and terrorism is a military maneuver during war time, especially during war time.
So is terrorism and genocide the same thing, yes or no. Thank You.

Genocide is a form of state terrorism.

By installing fear in the populace-its believed they are easier to control.

I dont believe this myself-but I can see some logic in it.

But genocide doesn't necessarily have to involve state activities, it can also be groups, no? Are you saying that genocide is committed as state terrorism and terrorism is committed by groups outside of the state jurisdiction?
I'm pretty sure I misconstrued your words, please explain.
In my paper, I state that the US did not commit and act of genocide because their intent was not to destroy the Japanese people for the sole purpose of destroying them, instead, they used terrorism to weaken the Japanese will and hence cause a quicker surrendering.

As far as Im aware, the US Dept of War estimated very high casualties if they invaded the Japanese mainland.

So they were left with few choices.

[1] Run a blockade-which could take years before they capitulated.

[2]Drop a nuclear device-which was a warning they would be destroyed.
This was ignored,
the second one wasnt.

Genocide is unusual-and rare if not state sponsered, as it takes a lot of co-ordination to do it.

The only other time Ive heard it used is in race war.

i forget the name of the book but a person wrote a book recently on the whole nuke bombing of japan and how racist the whole thing was.

hitler got hints on how to deal with jews from americas dealing with american indians.

hitler got hints on how to deal with jews from americas dealing with american indians.
Ah, yes....but, it was different with American-Indians. They weren't White...and, they had a different God. :rolleyes:

As far as Im aware, the US Dept of War estimated very high casualties if they invaded the Japanese mainland.

So they were left with few choices.

[1] Run a blockade-which could take years before they capitulated.

[2]Drop a nuclear device-which was a warning they would be destroyed.
This was ignored,
the second one wasnt.

Genocide is unusual-and rare if not state sponsered, as it takes a lot of co-ordination to do it.

The only other time Ive heard it used is in race war.
In a nutshell.

hitler got hints on how to deal with jews from americas dealing with american indians.
Suuuure he did, for there was no inspiration to draw upon in Europe for how to erase entire groups of people indiscriminately prior to us arriving here in the Americas. :rolleyes:

I've got two words for ya, you pot-smoking, firewater-drinking, wannabe mystic: The Crusades. Read up on it.

Ah, yes....but, it was different with American-Indians. They weren't White...and, they had a different God. :rolleyes:
Too bad your ancestors weren't living among them at the time. I would've gladly handed your ass a blanket.

In my paper, I state that the US did not commit and act of genocide because their intent was not to destroy the Japanese people for the sole purpose of destroying them, instead, they used terrorism to weaken the Japanese will and hence cause a quicker surrendering.

The Japanese were already at the point of surrendering. They had little other choice.

The coldblooded US leadership simply wanted an excuse to demonstrate their invincible military might (i.e, "the bomb") that they had spent so much time and money developing.

They wanted to demonstrate clearly and emphatically to the rest of the planet that (a) they were the biggest and the meanest, (b)that they were ruthless enough to use whatever means necessary to dominate others and secure supremacy, and (c) that everyone else had better bow down and capitulate to them when it came to a confrontation.

It worked perfectly for many decades --until the country was undermined to the point of near collapse by horredous political leadership and horribly misguided economic policies.

Now, the American Empire is at its end. Its time is over, and the torch is about to be passed.

""Let us hope that the yellow man, in his coming supremacy, treats us more kindly than we treated him""______________Gore Vidal

""Let us hope that the yellow man, in his coming supremacy, treats us more kindly than we treated him""______________Gore Vidal
Yeah - that'll happen. Hopefully, right before they completely cripple us with their "mighty" military, they'll kill you first. You know, like, right when you're apologizing for enslaving 'em circa 1800.

Their so-called "supremacy" is based on OUR industry and OUR companies, or are you confused as to why they're growing at an unprecedented rate? All they can do is try to copy us - they'll never be innovators. Firstly, they lack the technology, and secondly, they're a country of starving peasants - WTF are they gonna do?

prae,

racist, stoopit, and believes everything he was told in kindergarten.

Originally Posted by Freethinker
""Let us hope that the yellow man, in his coming supremacy, treats us more kindly than we treated him""______________Gore Vidal

Yeah - that'll happen.

I agree. It is inevitable.

Their so-called "supremacy" is based on OUR industry and OUR companies, ....

Which does nothing to refute the fact that the Asian colussus is set to be the new world power and the United States will be a has-been second rate country that serves the role of food producer for their new masters. The U.S. dollar is set to collapse, and when it does, and when another currency besides the dollar is named the reserve currency of the world, at that moment in time it is over. Game, set, match. Meet the new boss.

All they can do is try to copy us - they'll never be innovators.

Which does nothing to refute the fact that they are in a position to supercede this fading American Empire and become the new world superpower. This country's economy is failing worse every day. The dollar is going down like the Hindenberg.

WTF are they gonna do?

Be the new masters of this country -- a country that became so overfilled with ignorant, flag-waving, Bible-thumping sheep that it crumbled in upon itself.

prae,

racist, stoopit, and believes everything he was told in kindergarten.
Which is better than extracting my political notions from the latest issue of High Times Magazine, I suppose.

The dollar is going down like the Hindenberg.
As of JUST recently, you're right, it is. You know, it funny to hear you disparage our economy NOW.
Be the new masters of this country -- a country that became so overfilled with ignorant, flag-waving, Bible-thumping sheep that it crumbled in upon itself.
I guess we're all gonna die then. That's it, everyone - it's been decided - we're the next India (but with food), I guess. Of course, that doesn't explain what China's gonna do to advance in the technology field now that they're the preeminent toy and knickknack maker (of which, they don't even OWN the rights to, but whatever – we're dead in the water, I guess :rolleyes: ).

You know, it funny to hear you disparage our economy NOW.

Really?

Why? I have been talking about the declining economy ever since the Smirker in Chief had been in office for a few months. It's just that it has taken this long for it to reach this point; a point of eminent collapse of the dollar.

I guess we're all gonna die then.

No one is saying that. But there are very grim times ahead economically, thanks to Greenspan and B*sh and their abysmal, misguided political/economic choices.

That's it, everyone - it's been decided - we're the next India (but with food), I guess.

I'd say that's pretty accurate.

This country will be little more than "the farm" for the emerging Asian superpower.

This country will be little more than "the farm" for the emerging Asian superpower.
That's just beyond stupid, FT.

Originally Posted by Freethinker
This country will be little more than "the farm" for the emerging Asian superpower.

That's just beyond stupid, FT.

Time will tell.

If there were some way of enforcing it, I would wager you a hefty sum that should another ConservaFascist be elected in 2008, (which is a virtual certainty) within two years the dollar will no longer be the world's reserve currency.

The foundation of this country --thanks to the past seven years of ceaseless criminality, malfeasance and abysmal mismanagement-- is too weakened for it to remain atop the heap.

The foundation of this country --thanks to the past seven years of ceaseless criminality, malfeasance and abysmal mismanagement-- is too weakened for it to remain atop the heap.
That's not the reason. The reason is because we can't afford to maintain our lifestyle currently. It's market economics, pure and simple. That said, China's due for a rude awakening when they take the torch of financial preeminence. If you think their fawning, obsequious masses are gonna sit back and "deal" with the fact that they're expendable when China's building whole cities around them, then you're fooling yourself as well. Within twenty years, they'll be ripe for revolt seeing as to how their entire workforce is relegated to living in 6x9 concrete cells. Mark my words on that one.

That aside, their 12 trillion dollar GDP won't go nearly as far as our 12 trillion dollar GDP. Their resources are poor, they have 1.4 billion people to feed, they're 50 years behind us, technologically speaking, and ultimately, they're under the thumb of their white masters. They're not in as great a position as you believe them to be.

That's not the reason. The reason is because we can't afford to maintain our lifestyle currently.

Yep.

A *lifestyle* that has this country throwing away over a TRILLION dollars on something that is absolutely useless. An illegal, ill-advised, unethical, pre-emptive "war".

They're not in as great a position as you believe them to be.

It's not so much that I view them as being in such a *great* position. They will likely achieve superiority because this country is in such a weakened position.

When you're in a contest of wills, and you go into a coma, (as the USA will do, if and when the dollar is no longer the reserve currency) your opponent wins. They are free to do anything they like to you.

They are free to do anything they like to you.
I can understand why you'd think that (because it's partially true), but I don't think they'll be able to pull that off for a LONG time. IOW, it'll have to be a really deep coma we're in for that to happen.