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truthout
11-12-2007, 06:35 PM
WILL THE WHITE HOUSE FINALLY OBEY THE LAW????

Judge orders White House to hold e-mails

By PETE YOST, Associated Press Writer


A federal judge Monday ordered the White House to preserve copies of all its e-mails, a move that Bush administration lawyers had argued strongly against.

U.S. District Judge Henry Kennedy directed the Executive Office of the President to safeguard the material in response to two lawsuits that seek to determine whether the White House has destroyed e-mails in violation of federal law.

The White House is seeking dismissal of the lawsuits brought by two private groups — Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Government and the National Security Archive.

The organizations allege the disappearance of 5 million White House e-mails. The court order issued by Kennedy, an appointee of President Clinton, is directed at maintaining backup tapes which contain copies of White House e-mails.

The Federal Records Act details strict standards prohibiting the destruction of government documents including electronic messages, unless first approved by the archivist of the United States.

Justice Department lawyers had urged the courts to accept a proposed White House declaration promising to preserve all backup tapes.

"The judge decided that wasn't enough," said Anne Weismann, an attorney for CREW, which has gone to court over secrecy issues involving the Bush administration and has pursued ethical issues involving Republicans on Capitol Hill.

The judge's order "should stop any future destruction of e-mails, but the White House stopped archiving its e-mail in 2003 and we don't know if some backup tapes for those e-mails were already taped over before we went to court. It's a mystery," said Meredith Fuchs, a lawyer for the National Security Archive.

CREW and the National Security Archive are seeking to force the White House to immediately explain in court what happened to its e-mail, an issue that first surfaced nearly two years ago in the leak probe of administration officials who disclosed Valerie Plame's CIA identity to reporters.

Special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald revealed early in 2006 that relevant e-mails could be missing because of an archiving problem at the White House.

The White House has provided little public information about the matter, saying that some e-mails may not have been automatically archived on a computer server for the Executive Office of the President and that the e-mails may have been preserved on backup tapes.

The White House has said that its Office of Administration is looking into whether there are e-mails that were not automatically archived and that if there is a problem, the necessary steps will be taken to address it.

Vilepagan
11-12-2007, 06:40 PM
So what do you think truthout?

LiquidFork
11-12-2007, 06:52 PM
Think....Errrrrrr... Does not compute.... Independent thought....errrr..errrr..errrrr....does not compute...... begin shock and awe copy and paste protocol 14 dash 1....errrrr.....errrrr.....errrrrr.. accessing moveon.org document 3497-3505..... errrrrrrrr.......errrrrrr.... robotic intelligence failing...... logic and reasoning attempting to over ride programing..... Errrrr.....errrrrr...


Unfortunately folks.... we cannot rebuild him... We do have the technology but why waste the resources...

Freethinker
11-12-2007, 09:07 PM
WILL THE WHITE HOUSE FINALLY OBEY THE LAW?

Judging from their past actions, I'd say the answer is;

"Not a fucking chance".

MeskDXB
11-13-2007, 06:06 AM
Think....Errrrrrr... Does not compute.... Independent thought....errrr..errrr..errrrr....does not compute...... begin shock and awe copy and paste protocol 14 dash 1....errrrr.....errrrr.....errrrrr.. accessing moveon.org document 3497-3505..... errrrrrrrr.......errrrrrr.... robotic intelligence failing...... logic and reasoning attempting to over ride programing..... Errrrr.....errrrrr...


Unfortunately folks.... we cannot rebuild him... We do have the technology but why waste the resources...

Dude, you are the cut and paste king around here.

LiquidFork
11-13-2007, 05:39 PM
Dude, you are the cut and paste king around here.

O.K... ::sighs:: let me explain the difference... You know I have a posting number of almost 1200 posts. I seemingly average about 12 posts a day and I have been a member since August.. You people out there like MeskDxb would actually think before they commented on something,i wouldn't have to explain it to them,or clarify meanings. I would probably only have a post count of about 600,and average 5-6 posts a day...

The difference between truth and myself can be explained on two different levels... The overall category of said posts,and the reasoning of postings....


Truth ONLY posts copy and pastes. All this threads are started with a copy and paste,and he usually replies with a copy and paste or two or three sentences of unrelated pot shots on whoever he is commenting on.

I will post some C/P articles as starters of potential conversations. I will rarely ever defend the article,nor will bitch about the source. About two pages into the replies to a thread I start of the C/P origin I might join the current topic as we all know any thread will get jacked by then.


Truth will start his session on AFN posting a few C/P biased articles from sources that loosely could be called news sources... The content is always anti Republican,anti rich,anti bush,or anti administration..

I will post a few threads only to counter what I see.. I come on here two nights ago and between Dharma,Truth and Shaman there were 12 new threads that were all under the bias of sources like moveon.org. I posted a few to counter the original threads..

I also want to point out that I will post political Jokes.....Political satire....comical Youtube videos (IE..LEAVE HILARY ALONE). The political charged threads i C/P are not agenda pushing so called news sources,but usually from other message boards posted with permission in an attempt to start a debate. I also post in the chat,news,and other sections of AFN...

I might not be nominating Truth for king of the C/Pers,,,,but he surely is in line ahead of me... the problem is you like alot of what he says so to you he is raining down on you golden bits of chocolate information
But I want to thank you for your post and hope I cleared up all of this for you. I did rack up another unnecessary post number for this,but you did make my wait at the doctors office go very quick.

truthout
11-13-2007, 07:12 PM
Liquid, were you waiting for your shrink?

Just curious/

PS this is not a c&p

Freethinker
11-13-2007, 08:46 PM
O.K... ::sighs:: let me explain the difference...

Okey dokey.

Go for it.

The difference between truth and myself can be explained on two different levels... Truth ONLY posts copy and pastes.

THAT is a lie. A demonstrable lie. Lie number one.

(if you'd like the link to posts he has made that had NO cut-and-paste involved, let me know. Liar)

All this threads are started with a copy and paste

THAT is another lie. A demonstrable lie. Lie number two.

(if you'd like the link to a thread he began that had NO cut-and-paste involved, let me know. Liar)

I also want to point out that I will post political Jokes.

Well, aren't you fucking speee-shuuuul.

ROTFLOL.

sassyrunner
11-14-2007, 10:07 AM
Dude, you are the cut and paste king around here.


Liquidfork - the cut and paste KING? I don't think so.

dharmabum
11-14-2007, 10:09 AM
I highly doubt that the White House will preserve any emails that would be evidence against them, no matter what any judge says.

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truthout
11-14-2007, 08:57 PM
Have you seen Valerie Plame's book? I was at Cosco the other day and looked through it...nearly a third of it has been censored.

Is this now the Soviet Union?

Or are we pretending to be the United States?

Are we now the Soviet States of America?