The death of 6 US troops this week has made 2007 the most deadly year for US forces in Iraq.

Five US soldiers and one sailor were killed in three seperate incidents, bringing the number of deaths in 2007 to over 850.

With almost 2 months to go, US losses have already surpassed those of
2004-previously the worst year.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7082536.stm

And even MORE importantly,Violence and number of casuality
since Surge {last 6 months} is down to 2003 levels.
January and Feburary were responsible for The high levels
marking this conflated figger you seem puffy proud to print.

Just think.
If it wasn't for Bush,strong Military types and diehard Republicans,
the War in Iraq would be a monumental pile of increasing Death
and destruction.We probably would have HAD to Withdraw troops,
hold out head in shame,Give al Qaeda and all wannabee Terrorists'
a Huge Victory to hang their hat on for another day of bloodshed
and worldwide atrocity.
Thank God for U.S. Neocons and perserverance thru strength.

Proud:
Wheres there pride in publishing the death of hundreds of people?

If it wasnt for Bush and his macho military type politicans there would never
have been a conflict in Iraq in the first place.

Maybe a Democrat Administration would have destroyed alQaeda in Afhanistan
instead of letting them slip thru the net as Bush did.

Proud:
Wheres there pride in publishing the death of hundreds of people?

If it wasnt for Bush and his macho military type politicans there would never
have been a conflict in Iraq in the first place.

Maybe a Democrat Administration would have destroyed alQaeda in Afhanistan
instead of letting them slip thru the net as Bush did.

" Maybe " eh ? As in " maybe " if Scumbags,Groper-in-Chief
Clinton paid just a wee bit more attention to OBL and
his network,Than 9/11 would be a Fictionalized Disaster Movie of
the week,instead of the Monumental wake-up call to Arms.
Obviously if Iraq attracted al Qaeda than we have taken the fight
to them,instead of here.
Ya don't pick yer Wars,like a Dimocrat Dreams.Just like you Go to
War with the Military you have { Rumsfeld }. It was Clintoin who
defunded the Military,slashed needed funding of FBI/CIA which got
us into the pickle Bush inherited.
Maybe if cracker boy Clinton,dint Serial chase skirts,and concentrated
on keeping us safe from Terror and strength thru Peace,like Reagan.
The only strength Slcik Willy cared about was Latex.
Like them Rubbers he was more concerned with.

" Maybe " eh ? As in " maybe " if Scumbags,Groper-in-Chief
Clinton paid just a wee bit more attention to OBL and
his network,Than 9/11 would be a Fictionalized Disaster Movie of
the week,instead of the Monumental wakr-up call to Arms.
Obviously if Iraq attracted al Qaeda than we have taken the fight
to them,instead of here.
Ya don't pick yer Wars,like a Dimocrat Dreams.Just like you Go to
War with the Military you have { Rumsfeld }. It was Clintoin who
defunded the Military,slashed needed funding of FBI/CIA which got
us into the pickle Bush inherited.
Maybe if cracker boy Clinton,dint Serial chase skirts,and concentrated
on keeping us safe from Terror and strength thru Peace,like Reagan.
The only strength Slcik Willy cared about was Latex.
Like them Rubbers he was more concerned with.
9/11 was always gonna happen, or some attack on the same scale, no matter who was in the White House.
This being a result of decades of Foreig Policy by both Republican and
Democrat Administrations.

As for 'Ya dont pick yer Wars'- well infact you do.
Wars are always picked to fight, they necer, just happen.

You cant seriously believe America needs more military funding.

[QUOTE=paulc]9/11 was always gonna happen, or some attack on the same scale, no matter who was in the White House.
This being a result of decades of Foreig Policy by both Republican and
Democrat Administrations.

As for 'Ya dont pick yer Wars'- well infact you do.
Wars are always picked to fight, they necer, just happen.

Wars are determined by Events.Or out-of-control despots.

9/11 happened because during Clinton's watch those 18 hijackers
weren't monitored closely enough.Most the Visas had expired.
Coulda nabbed em right then.
Butt...oh no.Slick Willy boy was TOO concerned about some
his cUm on a blue dress and what new parsing of Lies he'll have to
use to cover up other Lies.
Face-it...If Clinton wasn't such a horny scumbagger,9/11 would
just NOT have happened.The FBI,under a decent and attentive Commander
would have taken direct action.
All Clinton did was use people for his amusement.That included a Bull
market.

Its never been satisfactorily proven that the said 18 hijackers did indeed
hijack anything.

In fact some suggestions claim individuals are still alive.

Who knows what went on on those aircraft.

I guess its convienent to blame Clinton for it.

Wars are determined by Events.Or out-of-control despots.
Are you calling Bush as "out-of-control despot?"

Are you calling Bush as "out-of-control despot?"
:lolhit:

In fact some suggestions claim individuals are still alive.

Who knows what went on on those aircraft.
Riiiiight - they just walked away from the aircraft unharmed. Or maybe your supposition here is that they were NEVER ON BOARD in the first place. :eek: ::cue eerie '40's crime/drama music, and pardon the irony while you're at it - DUM, DUm, Dum....::
I guess its convienent to blame Clinton for it.
No easier than blaming "decades of foreign policy", I guess. The same foreign policy that made us trillions of dollars, spurred industry, and irrefutably made the whole western WORLD a better place to live in.

That said, Clinton didn't do us any favors in the nineties.

You know, going on a tangent here, you're like listening to the son of an extremely wealthy corporate attorney; you get every benefit under the sun - including, but not limited to, private schooling, beautiful clothing, a wonderful home to live in, a BMW to drive, and the best medical care money can buy - and here, you grow a "conscience" in the aftermath, and all the sudden, you actually have the BALLS to question the way in which your lifestyle was provided.

Yeah, well, maybe you're right. Maybe we DID deserve 9/11, Einstein, but one thing's for certain here: you and your sanctimonious countrymen "deserve" to live in mud huts while you armchair quarterback US (and in a large way, English) foreign policy. :rolleyes: On that note, I hope you're fully aware that without us, that's exactly where you'd be living.

Now, in response to your accusation, what did we really do to cause 9/11? Support the Middle Eastern powers that were in control at the time? Pick sides? Provide aid? Fund wars? Sure we did - we did it in the name of business, and we did it to quell Russia's success in the region. But we didn't pull any triggers (well, for the most part, we didn't), and we sure-as-shit didn't "choose" their leaders for them - the Imams did. The losing sides (due in large part to their Islamic fundamentalism) were the ones who drew first blood, and they did it on our soil. Big fuckin' mistake on their end, and we're NOT backing down. Not from them.

Riiiiight - they just walked away from the aircraft unharmed. Or maybe your supposition here is that they were NEVER ON BOARD in the first place. :eek: ::cue eerie '40's crime/drama music, and pardon the irony while you're at it - DUM, DUm, Dum....::Lets see some evidence they were on said aircraft and they were said hijackers then.

No easier than blaming "decades of foreign policy", I guess. The same foreign policy that made us trillions of dollars, spurred industry, and irrefutably made the whole western WORLD a better place to live in.I was under the impression that American business practise's
made your country a fortune, but there you go.

You know, going on a tangent here, you're like listening to the son of an extremely wealthy corporate attorney; you get every benefit under the sun - including, but not limited to, private schooling, beautiful clothing, a wonderful home to live in, a BMW to drive, and the best medical care money can buy - and here, you grow a "conscience" in the aftermath, and all the sudden, you actually have the BALLS to question the way in which your lifestyle was provided. Now that is funny.
One thing-I aint wealthy.
Two thing-I aint the owner of a beemer.
Three thing-My lifestyle was provided by one person-me.
Four thing-Ive enough balls to do me thanks.

Yeah, well, maybe you're right. Maybe we DID deserve 9/11, Einstein, but one thing's for certain here: you and your sanctimonious countrymen "deserve" to live in a mud hut while you armchair quarterback US (and in a large way, English) foreign policy. :rolleyes: On that note, I hope you're fully aware that without us, that's exactly where you'd be living.Irish people never lived in mud huts mac.They lived in huts of stone or wicker-however.
What you mean 'without us thats exactly were youd be living.

Now, in response to your accusation, what did we really do cause 9/11? Support the Middle Eastern powers that were in control at the time? Pick sides? Provide aid? Fund wars? Sure we did - we did it in the name of business, and we did it to quell Russia's success in the region. But we didn't pull any triggers (well, for the most part, we didn't), and we sure-as-shit didn't "choose" their leaders for them - the Imams did. The losing sides (due in large part to their Islamic fundamentalism) were the ones who drew first blood, and they did it on our soil. Big fuckin' mistake on their end, and we're NOT backing down. Not from them.Well your right America didnt pull the triggers-it only armed selective regimes in the entire region, so they could butcher each other.

But that said, if the USA dosent become more even handed in the region-it will always live under the threat of terrorist attack.

That my friend-is the reality.

Lets see some evidence they were on said aircraft and they were said hijackers then.
Awesome. Show me the charred remains of ANY passenger, and I'll give you a cookie. Maybe the planes were empty, Sherlock!!!! DUM, DUm, dum....
I was under the impression that American business practise's
made your country a fortune, but there you go.
Oh, well, then I guess the reason our government is currently occupying Iraq has nothing to do with "oil". Thanks for dispelling that myth.Now that is funny.
One thing-I aint wealthy.
Two thing-I aint the owner of a beemer.
Three thing-My lifestyle was provided by one person-me.
Four thing-Ive enough balls to do me thanks.
Firstly, it's called an analogy. Secondly, don't be a moron. :rolleyes:

That said, you missed the point. Big surprise.

You guys live in Ivory towers-watch real world stuff on abc at 6.

Then ya go chasing ghosts round the mid east-bullshitting the rest of us that your combatting terrorism-get fucken real.

You guys live in Ivory towers-watch real world stuff on abc at 6.

Then ya go chasing ghosts round the mid east-bullshitting the rest of us that your combatting terrorism-get fucken real.

If not the middle east then where should the US (the lone country on the war on terror) be in the world handling the terrorists?

If not the middle east then where should the US (the lone country on the war on terror) be in the world handling the terrorists?
Afghanistan.
Pakistan.
Tajikistan.
Uzbekistan.
Kyrgyzstan.
Any saharan country.
western europe.

Forget Iraq-they arent there.

Forget Iran-they arent there.

I think the only positive offshoot of the Iraq was is that after the smoke cleared and Saddam was hiding in a rabbit hole,,,something unforeseen happened. Every two bit wanna be terrorist from Iran,Syria,Yemen and all points connection entered the country to try to take a pot shot at the US troops there. For everyone that the US nails,that is one less that could end up in some training camp in Afghanistan and in turn on day take a bomb filled backpack on a busy subway system in the middle of rush hour. For everyone of those the US captures is the possibility we gather valuable Intel on what might happen next to our troops abroad.

I agree Iraq and possibly Iran isn't where we should be focusing the war on terror... Afghanistan is a key place,and exactly where we kicked it all off... The situation in Iraq might not be the best avenue for the war on terror..... but while we are there why not exploit the fact of thinning the ranks before they even get to to the level of threat?

Hmmm well.

Ive already had the impression that these insurgents-the non Iraqi ones

are dreamers-idealists. With fuckall to do with AQ.

Ive no doubt AQ operate a cell system-nomatter who is caught and even tortured-their knowledge of this secretive organisation will be very limited.

It is these same dreamers and idealists that end up flocking to the real problem we all face with terrorism and in the end are used as pawns for death and destruction. The less there are,the better.

Intelligence work is the key to combating AQ.

If Americas security agencies are as good as theyd like us to believe, they should be able to impede AQ structure.

MI6 and Mossad know more about these people than anyone.

It is kinda hard to do much when a large percentage of your own country,let alone the world seemingly are tethering one of your hands behind your back.. I think the US has done well in the 6 years past in preventing anything from happening on American soil again. AQ is not some top notch organization... They are always in hiding and have been heavily on the run for the past 7 years. It took a long long time to plan 9/11 and no one was really watching. There is little they can do not that we lit the match under their ass

It is kinda hard to do much when a large percentage of your own country,let alone the world seemingly are tethering one of your hands behind your back.. I think the US has done well in the 6 years past in preventing anything from happening on American soil again. AQ is not some top notch organization... They are always in hiding and have been heavily on the run for the past 7 years. It took a long long time to plan 9/11 and no one was really watching. There is little they can do not that we lit the match under their ass
LF has it occurred to you that there's a good chance AQ has never intended
to attack the continental US again.

They achieved their objective-they changed the way Americans lived and viewed themselves forever.

As for doing well the last six years.

How so.

Bush has your guys stuck in Iraq totally disregarding the 'war on terror'

for what ever reason.

I am not supporting the war in Iraq. I believe we went in there with the best intentions although out post war strategy was not the best planned out. I was not tricked into supporting the reasons to go. I was not hoodwinked into thinking the only reason to go there was because of WMD. I was not bamboozled (sic) into thinking This was going to be a 2 month war...

I disagree with the amount of progress we are getting over there and I am insisting there must be change. This whole "immediate withdrawl" crap is a pipe dream that is never going to happen no matter who takes the reigns next election.

Agreed.

Withdrawal is a folly.

Trying to mislead the US public again-even the Demos are at it.

Yep, you guys are right - the immediate withdrawal will never happen. Dems nor Repubs -

Yep, you guys are right - the immediate withdrawal will never happen. Dems nor Repubs -

WOW... could it be that a Dem and a Rep can agree on something after all,,,besides agreeing not to agree...

As Joe Biden has been saying for over a year, we need to get a multinational coalition of troops, including middle eastern troops, working together to secure Iraq, which is what we should have been doing from the beginning. Having US troops dominating the occupation only makes us a target and ensures that most of the Iraqis anger is directed towards us.

We need a Marshall Plan for Iraq, where we invest the money in the Iraqis and get them to work.

If we had a 50% unemployment rate here in America, we would have an insurgency too.

You know Dharm-Americans have absolutely no concept of being occupied by a foreign power-I think the Pentagon makes up the rules as it goes along.

I think the only positive offshoot of the Iraq was is that after the smoke cleared and Saddam was hiding in a rabbit hole,,,something unforeseen happened. Every two bit wanna be terrorist from Iran,Syria,Yemen and all points connection entered the country to try to take a pot shot at the US troops there. For everyone that the US nails,that is one less that could end up in some training camp in Afghanistan and in turn on day take a bomb filled backpack on a busy subway system in the middle of rush hour. For everyone of those the US captures is the possibility we gather valuable Intel on what might happen next to our troops abroad.

I agree Iraq and possibly Iran isn't where we should be focusing the war on terror... Afghanistan is a key place,and exactly where we kicked it all off... The situation in Iraq might not be the best avenue for the war on terror..... but while we are there why not exploit the fact of thinning the ranks before they even get to to the level of threat?

The best offshoot of iraq is that they will increasingly be joined or connected to the rotw. They've thrown off the totalitarian type of gov't that pervades most of the world's dysfunctional states and economies. Are they a thriving democracy? Hardly, but iraq now is different from a year ago. Will be different five years from now and even more so in 20 years.
And the benefit of this is that as they become more successful, more connected they will be a beacon to the rotme that still sits enthralled to the strongman/totalitarian type of gov't. They are going to be a very significant force for change in that part of the world.
As for where the focus should be it should be on iraq. This is a job that can be done now. It sits on the edge of the connected world and will be much easier to integrate than hopping over vast stretches of territory that is still remains unconnected. Do what you can, do it sequentially.

Nice to see the Bush Administration has time to do a spot of nation building

instead of doing as promised the American people.

Fight the war on terror.

Paul, you been drinking again. Seemed so rational recently and now back to the conspiracy stuff. wtf?

If bush had let the dems force the country into retreat the world would have been a much tougher place for us all down the road. Blindly sticking to it thru thick and thin has got us to a point in iraq where the odds of a positive result are good and getting better.

I must admit I had a few today, but anyway.

Waldo, as you know, I was opposed to the invasion of Iraq.

For a number of reasons:

On September 18, 2001 the US Congress authorised The 'War on Terrorism'.

Authorising the use of The United States Armed Forces to use all

''necessary and appropriate force'' against those who ''planned, authorised, commited or aided'' the September 11 attackers.

So far so good.

In October 2002 the United States Congress passed into law,

Public Law No.107-243 Authorisation for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002.

On the grounds that Iraq had WMDs and active links to AQ.

A report by the Defence Dept in 2007 stated the claimed active link to AQ did not exist.

President Bush invaded Iraq on poor Intelligence and groundless claims.

At the time to boost his own and Republican Party standing at home.

You know-the republicans stand for strong military and more military spending.

The fear and uncertinty among the American public was manipulated and tensions hightened to portray Iraq as part of the 9/11 conspiracy.

This Government failed in its duty to protect the United States,by invading

Iraq, at the expense of attacking alQaeda in Afghanistan.

How they got away with it- was a masterpiece.

How they got away with it- was a masterpiece.

Gullible partisans and a Republican-led Congress, mostly. There were literally millions marching in the streets all over the world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_2003_Iraq_war) in protest, but that didn't stop the Bush cabal.

:mad:

Unfortunatly this Bush Administration and its allies ignore public opinion.

Hell this Administration ignores its employers-the American Public.

Too late to do anything about them now-they conned America.

I can only hope the US Public uses its Intelligence and never allows

such a development to happen again.

Just curious but what does it feel like to be on the wrong side of history?

Just curious but what does it feel like to be on the wrong side of history?
Nice personal jibe waldo.

That said-if feels ok actually.

Ive seen things and experienced things you could only see at the movies.

Apart from that-Id rather be of a race [irish] liked around the world

that from a race [english]despised and hated in all corners.

We're always down-but never beaten.

We're always down-but never beaten.
I hate to break it to ya - but being "always down" IS being beaten.

No doubt beaten by that superior race you are in awe of eh.

Gullible partisans and a Republican-led Congress, mostly. There were literally millions marching in the streets all over the world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_2003_Iraq_war) in protest, but that didn't stop the Bush cabal.

:mad:
Yeah, well, they weren't doing it in this country, and with that said, do you honestly think that "millions marching in the streets all over the world" should determine our actions?

On that note, those people you speak of weren't complaining when we liberated their countries, were they?

Fuck-back to the History channel eh P.

No doubt beaten by that superior race you are in awe of eh.
Well, I wouldn't call them "superior", per se.

That said, I think we should all be "in awe" of what those two countries have accomplished.

Fuck-back to the History channel eh P.
Tell me it's not true. I dare you.

Expand a bit.

What do you mean? - you were the one who (presumably) implied that I was, in some way, referencing "the History channel" when I said the "people you speak of weren't complaining when we liberated their countries". I then asked you to tell me that wasn't true. Now, unless I inferred something incorrectly, my question still stands.

Right-got ya now.

You gotta remember-virtually none of the people you talk about were alive during WW2-thus they owe nothing.

Nice personal jibe waldo.

That said-if feels ok actually.

Ive seen things and experienced things you could only see at the movies.

Apart from that-Id rather be of a race [irish] liked around the world

that from a race [english]despised and hated in all corners.

We're always down-but never beaten.

It wasn't meant as a shot at the irish. I'm a mick myself.

Rather at your view of history. Rather than looking at events/facts and adjusting one's views to reflect those things you and fran et al have chosen to sit there and recite, for the umpteenth time, your view on why the war and events in iraq are illegitimate. You guys seem to have your own OODA loop which rejects anything outside a predetermined set of values or outcomes.

Ergo my question as to what it feels like to be on the outside looking in and trying to reconcile the defaults in your thinking and the facts on the ground.

\You gotta remember-virtually none of the people you talk about were alive during WW2-thus they owe nothing.
And, most likely, a rather sizeable percentage of 'em wouldn't be alive if it weren't for us, so you and I differ on that one. We don't want money, and we don't want blowjobs, but we'll take a little fuckin' respect from the Europeans. In light of our sacrifices there, I don't think that's too much to ask of them.

It wasn't meant as a shot at the irish. I'm a mick myself.

Rather at your view of history. Rather than looking at events/facts and adjusting one's views to reflect those things you and fran et al have chosen to sit there and recite, for the umpteenth time, your view on why the war and events in iraq are illegitimate. You guys seem to have your own OODA loop which rejects anything outside a predetermined set of values or outcomes.

Ergo my question as to what it feels like to be on the outside looking in and trying to reconcile the defaults in your thinking and the facts on the ground.
Fair enough waldo about the first bit-I must have misread what you were saying.

Now,your last line talks about the facts on the ground-what facts?

The UN Inspectors werent given a chance to find anything-the White House got impatient, and gave the order to go.

And, most likely, a rather sizeable percentage of 'em wouldn't be alive if it weren't for us, so you and I differ on that one. We don't want money, and we don't want blowjobs, but we'll take a little fuckin' respect from the Europeans. In light of our sacrifices there, I don't think that's too much to ask of them.
No your right a little respect is a good thing-tho a two way thing at that.

You talk about Euros showing respect-yet your government kidnap people off the streets of europe-abuse and inprison people in certain euro countries-your CIA fly around all big and bad-ignoring euro laws and regulations.

I cant figure out how you reckon most of these people would not have been alive without American involvement.

Dont get me wrong-America done a fine thing in europe in ww2-brushing away 2 evil empires-but,

It also catapulted the USA to superpower status-so thanks europe for that one.

and we don't want blowjobs,
Speak for yourself.

Fair enough waldo about the first bit-I must have misread what you were saying.

Now,your last line talks about the facts on the ground-what facts?

The UN Inspectors werent given a chance to find anything-the White House got impatient, and gave the order to go.

This is precisely the point. The only ones who care about this are the anti-war guys. It's ancient history. (And for the record they were given the time, and a deadline, go read the UN report written by Blix for 7 Mar of that year and the associated resolutions.)

This is precisely the point. The only ones who care about this are the anti-war guys. It's ancient history. (And for the record they were given the time, and a deadline, go read the UN report written by Blix for 7 Mar of that year and the associated resolutions.)If the UN inspectors were given as much time as they needed,instead of being constantly hounded on the one hand and diverted on the other-there would have been no need for war.

But the White House had already made up its mind to go.

Dont forget-we learn from our mistakes-Iraq was a mistake.

If iraq comes good, and the news is certainly more encourgaing lately, then Iraq will be seen as significant event in the changing of the ME.

If Iraq goes bad and deteriorates and the ME in general deteriorates only then will history view Iraq unfavourably.

If the UN inspectors were given as much time as they needed,instead of being constantly hounded on the one hand and diverted on the other-there would have been no need for war.

But the White House had already made up its mind to go.

Dont forget-we learn from our mistakes-Iraq was a mistake.
Humanity has consistently shown itself to be abjectly incapable of learning from it's own mistakes. Individuals might, but people never will.

If iraq comes good, and the news is certainly more encourgaing lately, then Iraq will be seen as significant event in the changing of the ME.

If Iraq goes bad and deteriorates and the ME in general deteriorates only then will history view Iraq unfavourably.

Yes thats probably true-the fact that putting so much effort into Iraq at the
expense of the 'war on terror' will no doubt be erased from the history annals.

I just hope the American public remember that the Bush Administration failed them.

Humanity has consistently shown itself to be abjectly incapable of learning from it's own mistakes. Individuals might, but people never will.
Unfortunately you are correct.

Yes thats probably true-the fact that putting so much effort into Iraq at the
expense of the 'war on terror' will no doubt be erased from the history annals.

I just hope the American public remember that the Bush Administration failed them.

And, also, since things are going so well in Iraq now, even MORE reason not to give the chimp any more money to fund this war. Just keep the status quo hey? Yeah right

Yes thats probably true-the fact that putting so much effort into Iraq at the
expense of the 'war on terror' will no doubt be erased from the history annals.

I just hope the American public remember that the Bush Administration failed them.

If iraq turns out to be a success then he'll be another lincoln. Despised in his time and honored in history.

And, also, since things are going so well in Iraq now, even MORE reason not to give the chimp any more money to fund this war. Just keep the status quo hey? Yeah right

The mere thought of success seems to drive you guys abolutely 'round the bend.

The mere thought of success seems to drive you guys abolutely 'round the bend.This from the guy who thinks Bush will be another Lincoln. :eek:

That's pretty funny, waldo. :)

This from the guy who thinks Bush will be another Lincoln. :eek:

That's pretty funny, waldo. :)

Obviously yer not a student of History.
Let alone a scholar of such.
Churchill was ousted,after all he did to secure The future of
Brits.Without the strength and courage of such a wise
Statesman as Sir Winston,then England mite be a wasteland
of rubble and/or Folk speakin Germanic and bossin round those
willing to forage some week old bread to dip in their soggy
St.Pauli Man.

And, most likely, a rather sizeable percentage of 'em wouldn't be alive if it weren't for us, so you and I differ on that one. We don't want money, and we don't want blowjobs, but we'll take a little fuckin' respect from the Europeans. In light of our sacrifices there, I don't think that's too much to ask of them.

I'm sure you also support reparations to blacks for slavery...right?

I'm sure you also support reparations to blacks for slavery...right?
No, and despite you trying to say something profound here, there's no parallel between the two.

Do I respect what the blacks have done for America? Sure, but like with the Europeans - I wouldn't expect 'em to want money or blowjobs for their sacrifices. As a matter of fact, the whole concept of "reparations" is highly offensive to me. If anything, the blacks should be paying us money for pulling them outta that shithole they used to reside in. If we hadn't done it, then they'd still be catching their meals with a spear and communicating with an assortment of clicks and grunts.

Come to think of it, they owe us far more than the Europeans do.

You talk about Euros showing respect-yet your government kidnap people off the streets of europe-abuse and inprison people in certain euro countries-your CIA fly around all big and bad-ignoring euro laws and regulations.
Oh.....my....god.....Paul....:(......I simply had no idea. ::feverishly bites finger nails:: Well, that settles it then - you better run while you still can! RUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNN!!!! :rolleyes:
I cant figure out how you reckon most of these people would not have been alive without American involvement.
Well, they might've been born (I'd give it a 40% chance), but the world would certainly be a different place today. That said, I can't understand why you think they would be alive. If Hitler had his way, you'd be a continent of slaves anyway.
Dont get me wrong-America done a fine thing in europe in ww2-brushing away 2 evil empires-but,

It also catapulted the USA to superpower status-so thanks europe for that one.
Not really. We designed and built what the Europeans bought from us (be it weapons, aircraft, computers, whatever), and WE rebuilt Germany and Japan (pretty much by ourselves) in the aftermath of WWII. Essentially, we're the reason you enjoy the lifestyle you do, not the other way around.

zzzzzz

Your ideas of Europe must come from one of those army channels you watch,
or your new Halo 3 game-whichever.

Firstly-I have never seen evidence that Adolf wanted to terminate the people
of Europe-maye in parts of the East sure.

As for slaves-the Nazis would have been long gone by now-war or not.


Be sure of one thing mac-I and I alone-am responsible for my lifestyle.

The US gave the Brits some old warships and armanents FREE, long before
they came knocking the second time for money and begging to be bailed out.

Whatever you say, Paul - you guys built our country, you made us rich, and the Nazis would've given up control when they had a moral epiphany come circa 1965. :rolleyes:
Be sure of one thing mac-I and I alone-am responsible for my lifestyle.
You're a fuckin' fool if you believe that, Paul. Do you honestly think the natives in Uganda are "solely responsible" for their lifestyle, too? The only reason you have a job is because your country is fortunate enough to provide you with one in the first place. :rolleyes:

Your "Irish pride" here isn't worth the bandwidth you used to convince me of how wonderfully "responsible" you are for your own fortune. You're absolutely, unequivocally, at the whims of your country (and more specifically, the American market) - like it, or lump it.

No industry = no job = you and your fucking pride can starve to death. Get it?

Whatever you say, Paul - you guys built our country, you made us rich, and the Nazis would've given up control when they had a moral epiphany come circa 1965. :rolleyes:Nah-Irishmen contributed quite a lot to your nation-linking east and west, fighting north and south, you wouldnt have a fucken nation without em-understand.

You're a fuckin' fool if you believe that, Paul. Do you honestly think the natives in Uganda are "solely responsible" for their lifestyle, too? The only reason you have a job is because your country is fortunate enough to provide you with one in the first place.I dont really give a fuck about Uganda mac.
I am self employed-provided by me.

Your "Irish pride" here isn't worth the bandwidth you used to convey how "responsible" you are for your own lifestyle. You're absolutely, unequivocally, at the whims of your country (and more specifically, the American market) - like it, or lump it.
Now your deluding yourself again.
Im relying on the American market-over half Irelands imports exports are
to the EU-NOT the US-understand.

No industry = no job = you and your fucking pride can starve to death. Get it?My Pride-dont you mean your fucken arrogance shows you as a fool.

Now your deluding yourself again.
Im relying on the American market-over half Irelands imports exports are
to the EU-NOT the US-understand.
Is it your contention that if you lost half your industry, Ireland would prosper? Get real. Well, I hate to break it to ya, Mr. "self-employed" - but those homes you help build wouldn't be worth the paper the plans are drawn on without us. We're your biggest trading partner by a long shot.....do you "understand" now, or are you simply incapable?
My Pride-dont you mean your fucken arrogance shows you as a fool.
No, senseless, devoid of reality, pride on your end.

Let's keep it civil, ok guys? :)

Ok

Is it your contention that if you lost half your industry, Ireland would prosper? Get real. Well, I hate to break it to ya, Mr. "self-employed" - but those homes you help build wouldn't be worth the paper the plans are drawn on without us. We're your biggest trading partner by a long shot.....do you "understand" now, or are you simply incapable?

No, senseless, devoid of reality, pride on your end.
zzzzzzzzzzz-understand something here, once and for all, ok.
I dont really care if Ireland prospers or not-I am at the stage now were I
wont starve,but it will survive, prosperous or not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Ireland#Economy

zzzzzzzzzzz-understand something here, once and for all, ok.
I dont really care if Ireland prospers or not-
Wow - what a national "Pot O' Gold" you are, Paul. Ireland's lucky (pardon the pun) to have you. As someone who skimps on his taxes and doesn't care one whit about his country either way - I'm sure they'd sooner die than live without you.....pfffft -

I'm starting to get a better insight into your political philosophy there, bud.

Wow - what a national "Pot O' Gold" you are, Paul. Ireland's lucky (pardon the pun) to have you. As someone who skimps on his taxes and doesn't care one whit about his country either way - I'm sure they'd sooner die than live without you.....pfffft - I wont call you out on this one,mac.

I'm starting to get a better insight into your political philosophy there, bud.Do you think so-I become more convinced daily-you know very little about me-that said-stick that one in your little black book for future reference ok.