do u ever think about it?

wow...that's a little out of left field there buddy.
But to answer your question,no I don't. I couldn't do that to my girls or family and people who care about me.

Used to, but now never.

y not now?

I dunno, I just feel good now. I think it's the crazy hormones dying down as I get older.

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wow...that's a little out of left field there buddy.
But to answer your question,no I don't. I couldn't do that to my girls or family and people who care about me.
tupac says.life goes on

littlejoe,I've seen 2 people succumb to suicide and it's the worst thing a person could do to the people who love them.

Yes life goes on,but life goes on much better if you're here to share in it:thumbs:

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i know wat u mean

littlejoe,I've seen 2 people succumb to suicide and it's the worst thing a person could do to the people who love them.

Yes life goes on,but life goes on much better if you're here to share in it:thumbs:
some ppl dont mater to any1

some ppl dont mater to any1
I don't think that's true. We acquire people who care about us through life kind of like a chewed piece of gum you drop on the floor acquires dirt and hairs. (Yes, I know I'm comparing people to hairs; bear with me here.) It may not always seem like anyone cares about you, but the people who do exist, even if it doesn't seem like they do.

some ppl dont mater to any1


yes they do:(

I dunno, I just feel good now. I think it's the crazy hormones dying down as I get older.
do i have hormones?

I don't think that's true. We acquire people who care about us through life kind of like a chewed piece of gum you drop on the floor acquires dirt and hairs. (Yes, I know I'm comparing people to hairs; bear with me here.) It may not always seem like anyone cares about you, but the people who do exist, even if it doesn't seem like they do.
:rolleyes:

Well to answer littlejoe's first question: I cannot deny i have thought about what it would be like. And no, I have never considered suicide. My life is too good to want to do that. But im a person very interested in psycology, and I always think about what kind of things go through other people's minds.

yes they do:(
i dont think i mater to any1

i dont think i mater to any1


now that is a lie you need to stop telling yourself young man.:mad:
You think you don't matter to your foster parents or Mac? Or even some people here that you have become friends with? Or your girlfriend or your other friends?

no.i dont

no.i dont

chill out little guy,,,,things will get better.... they say the lord only gives us what we can handle.

I used to think about it on occasion, because I thought the same way you did: that no one cared. After a while I just grew out of it and realized that there was better in my life than to sit around and worry. But just as I was getting over it, two of my friends (one I had known since 1st grade) committed suicide. It sucked, it hurt, and I wish such pain on nobody. I've never seen so many people in one room, all crying their eyes out...including me.

So what made you feel this way?

Never something I have contemplated or can even understand,

but clearly some people can because plenty of people do commit suicide, especially sad when it's a young person.

Obviously the main cause of such an act is some kind of mental issue or very tough situation, and rational trains of thought are not particularly relevant to a person with a mental illness, but I think it's a huge loss when it happens because of course if those people could just have held on, then chances are 10, 20 years on they would look back & say - Wow - I'm glad I didn't do that - I would have never known what I do now.

Little joe - if you believe that nobody cares about you then that is truly a very heartbreaking story. Maybe nobody does care today, I don't know your situation, but it's highly unlikely that a person can go through 80 - 90 years of life without having a single person care about them, so you have time, and you will get to experience that. The only thing that can rob you of that absolute certainty would be something like suicide. Whatever is happening in your life today will only serve to make you stronger & more happy in the end - all you have to do is believe in something about yourself. Make that your strength today. Make your focus being thankful for what you have rather than what you think you do not. It's pointless trying to prove to yourself that you have something you do not believe you have, thats why people here telling you that people do care will only seem like empty words. Accept what is today & focus on what you do know. All that counts really is today. Find even the smallest positive in now & more will come.

I used to say to myself, "When I'm dead, they'll be sorry for being mean to me!"

But later I figured out... "Wait a minute; they'll be sorry, but I'll be dead!"

There's way too much fun to be had in life, especially while you're young, to waste it.

Little Joe.....please don't ever talk like this again. You are way too young to be considering ending your life. I had a 15-yr old nephew that decided the world would be better off without him and ya know what......IT'S NOT. The world lost a very talented musician. He was in several different bands and taught others how to play various instruments. He was only 15 and he had already written several of his own songs and they were great. That was 10 years ago this past July and the pain is still overwhelming.

I have no idea what your true home situation is right now but you are still young and have such a wide array of options ahead of you. I believe you are a very talented person as well and you can go far in this world if you take the time to believe in yourself and work hard for it. Don't expect anything to be handed to you. It's always better if you can say "I EARNED THIS ON MY OWN".

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem!!! Don't ever forget that. There ARE people in this world that would miss you......I happen to be one of those. You are a very special person!!

Tyler babe is right, Little joe. I'd miss you too.

Most of us have times when we feel we don't matter to anyone. Uusually these times come when we're tired, not feeling well, or just having lots of problems. When we stop to think about it tho, we realize we do matter to people.

Maybe there's someone you can talk to in person about these feelings----a friend, some family, or even a nice teacher. They'd be glad to listen, I'll bet.

And don't forget about your friends here too. We can't see you but we're here just the same.

:) :) :) :) :) :)

I echo what Ty and Ren said, Little Joe. Life can be very overwhelming and I get the feeling you've had to deal with way too many adult issues as a child. You are a very special young man and I know there are people who care about you. I always enjoy seeing you post, even if I haven't told you so. One of my boys talked like this once, when he was 16. I told him the same thing Ty said - it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem. It's also so very hard on the people left behind, wondering what they could have done to prevent it.

You've got a lot of living left to do!!

((((((((((((((((Little Joe))))))))))))))))))))

:)
Kimi

Wow Little Joe, i find your honesty on thoughts of suicide incredibly courageous. Not just anyone will share their inner most feelings even anonymously. Most people will still hide their emotions. That is a strength in you, my friend. I just cant imagine someone as courageous as you wouldnt have anyone that loves and admires them. Your troubles may be clouding your ability to recognize these feelings in others. Heck, look at the feelings you have evoked by simply posting on a message board. You have people here who would miss you. THat says something to me. Give it time, my young friend. Better days are coming.

see littlejoe....this is what I was trying to tell you last night. There are people that care and will continue to care and would be deeply upset if you weren't here anymore.

Most of us have times when we feel we don't matter to anyone. Uusually these times come when we're tired, not feeling well, or just having lots of problems. When we stop to think about it tho, we realize we do matter to people.

Maybe there's someone you can talk to in person about these feelings----a friend, some family, or even a nice teacher. They'd be glad to listen, I'll bet.



i have problms. i dont want to talk about it.
i got mad n tore up my bedroom. i talkd to blair and he said the same thing all you did.
sorry.
i do mater.

You better believe you matter! I was gonna have to throw a brick at you if you didn't figure it out sooner or later!

Littlejoe, if I could go back in time and see myself at age 13 or 14, I would tell myself one thing: "IT WILL GET BETTER." Of course, for me, it was a pretty arduous journey through worse before better, but now at age 17 I would not trade my life for anyone else's in the world. :)

Littlejoe, you have so much ahead of you. You just have to give it time. Belive in yourself, and never tell yourself your a loser.

Telling him not think a certain way is plain dumb. It's how he thinks and that is what it is.

What you need to do Little Joe is accept how you feel today as ok for this moment. It's ok to feel sad, it's ok to feel unloved - it is how you feel & however you feel is ok. Fighting how you feel will only serve to make you feel worse because it's only creates a constant state of judging yourself. If things get a bit desparate then do go and seek some external advice & help, from school or wherever/whoever you can trust.

You can't move to a better place in your head unless you accept and understand exactly where your head is right now & that may take time & you may be sad for some while to come.

You'll get a lot of "you shouldn't feel that way" type of advice here & elsewhere & although it's all full of wonderfully good intent & honest concern - I know it probably doesn't mean a damn thing to you.

Do know though, intellectually, that your view of you is not the same view others will have, and beyond that, what others think is not that relevant - thats all out of your control anyway.

Check your email, booger breathe.

For you littlejoe - I do understand.


Nightminds
Just lay it all down. Put your face into my neck and let it fall out. I know I know I know. I knew before you got home. This world you're in now, It doesn't have to be alone, I'll get there somehow, 'cos I know I know I know.
"When, even springtime feels cold."
But I will learn to breathe this ugliness you see, So we can both be there and we can both share the dark. And in our honesty, together we will rise, Out of our nightminds, and into the light At the end of the fight...
You were blessed by a different kind of inner view: it's all magnified. The highs would make you fly, and the lows make you want to die. And I was once there, hanging from that very ledge where you are standing. So I know I know I know, It's easier to let go.
But I will learn to breathe this ugliness you see, So we can both be there and we can both share the dark. And in our honesty, together we will rise out of our nightminds And into the light at the end of the fight.
And in our honesty, together we will rise out of our nightminds And into the light... at the end of the fight.

Missy Higgins

I'm glad to hear you are trying to work things out littlejoe,keep that up please.
I found out Wednsday night my friends daughter took her life because she was tired of having numerous surgeries done. She was just 15 and one more surgery away from being healed. Life just isn't fair but we gotta learn to deal or it's going to make you go crazy.

I'm glad to hear you are trying to work things out littlejoe,keep that up please.
I found out Wednsday night my friends daughter took her life because she was tired of having numerous surgeries done. She was just 15 and one more surgery away from being healed. Life just isn't fair but we gotta learn to deal or it's going to make you go crazy.

I'm sorry to hear that -pour soul, and her poor family. We just don't know how lucky we are somtimes compared to others - we take the good health for granted.

For you littlejoe - I do understand.


Nightminds
Just lay it all down. Put your face into my neck and let it fall out. I know I know I know. I knew before you got home. This world you're in now, It doesn't have to be alone, I'll get there somehow, 'cos I know I know I know.
"When, even springtime feels cold."
But I will learn to breathe this ugliness you see, So we can both be there and we can both share the dark. And in our honesty, together we will rise, Out of our nightminds, and into the light At the end of the fight...
You were blessed by a different kind of inner view: it's all magnified. The highs would make you fly, and the lows make you want to die. And I was once there, hanging from that very ledge where you are standing. So I know I know I know, It's easier to let go.
But I will learn to breathe this ugliness you see, So we can both be there and we can both share the dark. And in our honesty, together we will rise out of our nightminds And into the light at the end of the fight.
And in our honesty, together we will rise out of our nightminds And into the light... at the end of the fight.

Missy Higgins

I'm sure that incomprehensible string of meaningless drivel you posted there really helped him.

fyi - he's a guy, not some sappy girl who will connect with crap like that.

littlejoe,

I always found that when I was your age (and feeling down & blue), looking at porno mags made me feel better.

Do you have access to Playboy or Penthouse?
Even Maxim might do the trick.

Eh, anyway. Buck up, little feller. It will all work out ok in the end.

:thumbs:

littlejoe,

I always found that when I was your age (and feeling down & blue), looking at porno mags made me feel better.

Do you have access to Playboy or Penthouse?
Even Maxim might do the trick.

Eh, anyway. Buck up, little feller. It will all work out ok in the end.

:thumbs:
OMG sparky...hehe porn.

Men lol
Go running or get outside and start skateboarding hard and fast.
Listen to music way to loud..and just keep moving.

I know life feels very over whelming some times and yah suicide is an easy out....but think about all you still have to do in life and the people you leave behind..

Littlejoe, hang tough bud. Sometimes life sucks so bad. I promise you it ALWAYS gets better.

Normally I would say wrecking your room was not a good thing. In this case it let Blair know you were hurting and that the hurt was serious. I am glad he came through for you.

I think you are living with good people littlejoe. I think you know that. Sometimes everything just hurts. They love you.

Skate your ass off boy... :D It'll help. Or like Sparky said. hehe...

I'm glad to hear you are trying to work things out littlejoe,keep that up please.
I found out Wednsday night my friends daughter took her life because she was tired of having numerous surgeries done. She was just 15 and one more surgery away from being healed. Life just isn't fair but we gotta learn to deal or it's going to make you go crazy.

Sorry to hear that Michelle... sorry for your loss and sorry for your pain.

do u ever think about it?
It's one thing to think about it and another to do it. You are young from what I have read and have a lot to live for. Focus on your good qualities, not the bad ones.
((((Little Joe))))

I am sorry for your loss, Michelle. :(

littlejoe,

I always found that when I was your age (and feeling down & blue), looking at porno mags made me feel better.

Do you have access to Playboy or Penthouse?
Even Maxim might do the trick.

Eh, anyway. Buck up, little feller. It will all work out ok in the end.

:thumbs:

Finally some good advice for him :thumbs:

Nightminds
Just lay it all down. Put your face into my neck and let it fall out. I know I know I know. I knew before you got home. This world you're in now, It doesn't have to be alone, I'll get there somehow, 'cos I know I know I know.
"When, even springtime feels cold."
But I will learn to breathe this ugliness you see, So we can both be there and we can both share the dark. And in our honesty, together we will rise, Out of our nightminds, and into the light At the end of the fight...
You were blessed by a different kind of inner view: it's all magnified. The highs would make you fly, and the lows make you want to die. And I was once there, hanging from that very ledge where you are standing. So I know I know I know, It's easier to let go.
But I will learn to breathe this ugliness you see, So we can both be there and we can both share the dark. And in our honesty, together we will rise out of our nightminds And into the light at the end of the fight.
And in our honesty, together we will rise out of our nightminds And into the light... at the end of the fight.

Missy Higgins.



I'm sure that incomprehensible string of meaningless drivel you posted there really helped him.

fyi - he's a guy, not some sappy girl who will connect with crap like that.

Dont be such a tool Drew.... Just because we are are bless/handicapped with being the male gender doesn't mean we are not sensitive and are immune to being effected by the kind words of others.

Your asinine drivel is the perfect example of why the world is like it is today and alot of young men have a hard time dealing with feelings of depression and sorrow,and the sad thing is it manifests into adulthood for many. You paint the picture that a male by gender cannot feel this way or that way... You really win the jackass prize for your words...

However the porn suggestion by sparky is also a great idea. If it works or not it is still a win win situation

Dont be such a tool Drew.... Just because we are are bless/handicapped with being the male gender doesn't mean we are not sensitive and are immune to being effected by the kind words of others.

Your asinine drivel is the perfect example of why the world is like it is today and alot of young men have a hard time dealing with feelings of depression and sorrow,and the sad thing is it manifests into adulthood for many. You paint the picture that a male by gender cannot feel this way or that way... You really win the jackass prize for your words...



Thanks liquidfork, we do agree on MANY things.:thumbs:

I think what Drew is trying to say can be put in a simple slogan:

"Fight Depression, Read Porn."

I think what Drew is trying to say can be put in a simple slogan:

"Fight Depression, Read Porn."

aw is that what drew was tryin to say? Ya think?

No I believe Sparky is the one that came up with that idea, and he did it in a classy and humourous way, good way to lift the mood Sparky:thumbs:

Thanks silverbullet

Dont be such a tool Drew.... Just because we are are bless/handicapped with being the male gender doesn't mean we are not sensitive and are immune to being effected by the kind words of others.

Your asinine drivel is the perfect example of why the world is like it is today and alot of young men have a hard time dealing with feelings of depression and sorrow,and the sad thing is it manifests into adulthood for many. You paint the picture that a male by gender cannot feel this way or that way... You really win the jackass prize for your words...

However the porn suggestion by sparky is also a great idea. If it works or not it is still a win win situation

Yeah - calling out some retarded prose that means absolutely nothing is the root of male problems. Get real. Since when does calling out crap mean a person is incapable of feeling? Just because some people "connect" with sapola crap doesn't mean they have any leverage on reality. Copying shit from a book doesn't make a person smart & "in touch"

The kid has some challenges to face, that are real - if you read back I gave him some down to earth advice. I guess it connected with him because he PM'ed me about it.

All I've read in this thread is "you shouldn't think like that" blah'd de blah & then some crappy nonsense lifted from some crappy poem book that is supposed to help. Well intended no question, but still garbage.