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paulaorcas
10-27-2007, 05:37 PM
Every year,Japan begins it's annual hunting,and killing,of dolphins.the slaughter is inhumane and must be changed immediatly.supposedly,japan is also going over the limit of the number of dolphins allowed to be killed.big or small,endangered or not,dolphins are driven into shallow waters by fisherman.the dolphins are surrounded and and they become disoriented as the fishermen hit sounding rods,which interfere with the dolphins sonar,against the boats.pods are seperated as large groups of dolphins are crowded into an area enclosed with a net.the fisherman hoist the dolphins out of the water upsidedown by a rope attached below the flukes.the dolphins are still alive.some are put in the back of trucks,thrashing,while others are dragged on the ground behind them.the dolphins throats are cut and they are forced to bleed to death.this suffering can go on for 6 or more minutes.so not only are they killing large amounts of endangered species,but they force them to suffer too.this is very unfair and has to change.these are innocent beings,and deserve better.plz support the conservation of wild dolphins,and help end the dolphin massacre in taiji and futo japan.

Napsterbater
10-27-2007, 05:57 PM
Dolphin soup, yum!

paulaorcas
10-27-2007, 05:59 PM
i will respect your opinion.if you think it's ok thats fine.i just happen to think it's very wrong since dolphins are highly important to the ecosystem.

Napsterbater
10-27-2007, 06:45 PM
Dolphins are not endangered. Most species are nowhere near endangered, though some local populations are threatened.

Foolsworth
10-27-2007, 07:30 PM
Dolphins are not endangered. Most species are nowhere near endangered, though some local populations are threatened.

Why does it not astound me that You don't give a shit about
Dolphins ALSO.
Would you just kindly write down on a napkin what EXACTLY You
DO give 2 shits about.
I know yer type.Half of what you say is meant to seem
nonchalant and therefore kinda KooL by disassociation.
Like yer too KooL to be bothered with anything SO Trivial.

paulaorcas
10-27-2007, 08:21 PM
almost all ceteceans are endangered really.our oceans are in need of great help.where would we be without the ocean?really.water is life.

Foolsworth
10-27-2007, 09:08 PM
almost all ceteceans are endangered really.our oceans are in need of great help.where would we be without the ocean?really.water is life.

Um...there a few Cretin lurkin herein that don't quite measure up.
I'd name names,but the HUAC still abounds.

Napsterbater
10-27-2007, 09:25 PM
almost all ceteceans are endangered really.our oceans are in need of great help.where would we be without the ocean?really.water is life.
Many species of whale are endangered, but most oceanic dolphins aren't. River dolphins are particularly endangered, with the Chinese river dolphin considered functionally extinct.

Napsterbater
10-27-2007, 09:26 PM
Why does it not astound me that You don't give a shit about
Dolphins ALSO.
Would you just kindly write down on a napkin what EXACTLY You
DO give 2 shits about.
I know yer type.Half of what you say is meant to seem
nonchalant and therefore kinda KooL by disassociation.
Like yer too KooL to be bothered with anything SO Trivial.
I care about correcting misinformation. Most of the species hunted in dolphin drive hunting are not endangered.

Foolsworth
10-27-2007, 09:32 PM
Many species of whale are endangered, but most oceanic dolphins aren't. River dolphins are particularly endangered, with the Chinese river dolphin considered functionally extinct.

yeah...right.You probably know Dolphin like the wash cycle
when doin yer skivvies.
Just admit.Yer as clueless as a Waitress in Hooters about
The Literati.As in like why Dorothy Parker ALWAYS had an
unkind word for everyone.

sedan
10-27-2007, 09:38 PM
Um...there a few Cretin lurkin herein that don't quite measure up.
I'd name names,but the HUAC still abounds.
The Old H-U-A-C
(The Raunch Hands)

I am a college student
And I've come to sing a song
I've always been a liberal
I never thought it wrong
But I have come to tell you
Take warning now from me
Or you may have to tangle with
The old H-U-A-C.

Now, I am only eighteen years
Of age as of this date
It's hard to see how I could be
A danger to the state
But that's what the committee said
And so it has to be
For their sources are of
Unimpeachable integrity.

H-U-A-C, H-U-A-C
What a lucky thing it is for you and me
That our freedoms are well guarded
By politically retarded
Men of unimpeachable integrity.

I went and joined a picket line
Because I'd like to see
No more discrimination
If our land is really free
I'd like to see them put an end
To weapons testing too
But they say this is a dangerous
Subversive point of view.

I tried to be progressive
But I never was a red
I thought the first amendment
Meant exactly what it said
But now that that's gone out of style
There's just one thing to do
Be silent or conservative
The choice is up to you.

H-U-A-C, H-U-A-C
They're just lookin' out
For guys like you and me
So become reactionary
And of progress be most wary
Keep our country true and brave
And strong and free.

So listen to my warning
And reject each liberal view
And praise the men who govern us
No matter what they do
But even this is not enough
For those who would go far
You'd better make your mother
Join the local D A R.

Now please don't tell them who
It was that wrote this song
If anyone should ask you
Tell them I have moved along
I'm sorry that I have to leave
The evening has been great
But I have been subpoenaed
And I really can't be late.

JK

paulaorcas
10-27-2007, 09:39 PM
I care about correcting misinformation. Most of the species hunted in dolphin drive hunting are not endangered.
true but that isnt the whole point.endangered or not these dolphins are SUFFERING!bleeding to death for 6 agonizing minutes!it's cruel.some are even sold to marine parks to spend the rest of their life doing performances stuck with the memmory of the massacre.

paulaorcas
10-27-2007, 09:42 PM
its unfair and unjust!supposedly japan is also going OVER the limit of the number of dolphins allowed to be killed and that COULD possibly lead to endangerment.

Foolsworth
10-27-2007, 09:54 PM
The Old H-U-A-C
(The Raunch Hands)

I am a college student
And I've come to sing a song
I've always been a liberal
I never thought it wrong
But I have come to tell you
Take warning now from me
Or you may have to tangle with
The old H-U-A-C.

Now, I am only eighteen years
Of age as of this date
It's hard to see how I could be
A danger to the state
But that's what the committee said
And so it has to be
For their sources are of
Unimpeachable integrity.

H-U-A-C, H-U-A-C
What a lucky thing it is for you and me
That our freedoms are well guarded
By politically retarded
Men of unimpeachable integrity.

I went and joined a picket line
Because I'd like to see
No more discrimination
If our land is really free
I'd like to see them put an end
To weapons testing too
But they say this is a dangerous
Subversive point of view.

I tried to be progressive
But I never was a red
I thought the first amendment
Meant exactly what it said
But now that that's gone out of style
There's just one thing to do
Be silent or conservative
The choice is up to you.

H-U-A-C, H-U-A-C
They're just lookin' out
For guys like you and me
So become reactionary
And of progress be most wary
Keep our country true and brave
And strong and free.

So listen to my warning
And reject each liberal view
And praise the men who govern us
No matter what they do
But even this is not enough
For those who would go far
You'd better make your mother
Join the local D A R.

Now please don't tell them who
It was that wrote this song
If anyone should ask you
Tell them I have moved along
I'm sorry that I have to leave
The evening has been great
But I have been subpoenaed
And I really can't be late.

JK

I don't suppose it ever occured to You that If Shrilliary Does get
Elected then far worse things than HUAC will abound.
It's practically a given.
In point of fact,As I write,Hillary is busy as a beaver logging all
the time and effort to have dossiers compiled on anyone she can
have punished and/or made a ward of Her State.
And her State won't bees no picnic.

Frogger
10-28-2007, 07:13 AM
I hate to do it but I have to side with Nappy on this one. Oceanic dolphins are not endangered. The reason killing dolphins seems so much more horrid than killing fish is that dolphins are warm blooded and vocal so we tend to anthropromorphize them. To many people they are all cousins of Flipper.

afinertouch5
10-28-2007, 07:39 AM
I hate to do it but I have to side with Nappy on this one. Oceanic dolphins are not endangered. The reason killing dolphins seems so much more horrid than killing fish is that dolphins are warm blooded and vocal so we tend to anthropromorphize them. To many people they are all cousins of Flipper. So Frogger you and Nappy are for this??? www.savejapandolphins.org/ (http://www.savejapandolphins.org/) :mad:

~Sal~
10-28-2007, 07:54 AM
Well I really like beef and I eat chicken and spareribs a few times a year. I also eat tuna so I can't say killing them is "totally" wrong even though I lean in that direction.

There should be compassion involved and no waste.

paulaorcas
10-28-2007, 09:38 AM
even japanese marine parks are involved in this!!! "show" dolphins! now im a big supporter of sea world bc they are a RESCUE group!
thats just wrong.taking them from their families and SELLING THEM SO THEY HAVE TO PERFORM FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.it isnt fair.
i mean if they are going to kill them for food then fine.but at least kill them humanely and dont waste them!thats my point.they are suffering and in pain physically and emotionally bc they have to watch it happen to their family.it just isnt right.animals feel too.

paulaorcas
10-28-2007, 09:39 AM
dolphins are VERY intelligent.they are highly aware of what is happening to them.

Napsterbater
10-28-2007, 09:47 AM
Bottlenose dolphins have been observed to practice infanticide and kill porpoises without eating them when food supplies get light.

paulaorcas
10-28-2007, 09:55 AM
true,like i said they are very intelligent.they are much like us.they will create gangs and groups,rob eachother of food and mates,and more.violence plays a key role in a dolphins life.that however,does not mean that they are bad or mean creatures.they are also very compationate.to eachother and others and amazingly,people.dolphins will welcome us into their realm without hesitation.apes are very similar.

MichelleG.
10-28-2007, 10:09 AM
even japanese marine parks are involved in this!!! "show" dolphins! now im a big supporter of sea world bc they are a RESCUE group!
thats just wrong.taking them from their families and SELLING THEM SO THEY HAVE TO PERFORM FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.it isnt fair.
i mean if they are going to kill them for food then fine.but at least kill them humanely and dont waste them!thats my point.they are suffering and in pain physically and emotionally bc they have to watch it happen to their family.it just isnt right.animals feel too.


well,since your so vocal about this,what is your idea of killing them humanely?
I am reading this and seeing that to the Japanese this is a sport of kinds. It's really no different than deer hunting,if we don't hunt and kill them they will be overabundant. Do you really want masses of dolphins,for lack of a better word,overtaking the waters and causing havoc? If that were to happen I'd bet you'd be one of the first screaming for them to be thinned out.
They are not endangered and it goes without saying that any animal,human or not,is going to feel some sort of pain upon death. What do you want them to do,sing them lullaby's while slowly poisoning them?

paulaorcas
10-28-2007, 10:21 AM
i understand what your saying,we dont want them to be overabundant that is true.but i never said dont kill them at all. kill them quickly and close to painlessly.maybe instead of halfway cutting their throats,just one big...slice.then they are dead and dont have to bleed to death.im only voicing my opinion.and im trying as hard as i can to understand yours.i dont want to be disrespectful to it.this is just my opinion,im not saying its right.the difference between killing dolphins and deer is that deer and people live in basically the same place.people do not live in the ocean.also dolphins are vital to the ecosystem.and like i said before,if the japanese continue to go over the limit of the number of dolphins allowed to be killed,they could slowly begin to become endangered or threatened.it is possible.

paulaorcas
10-28-2007, 10:22 AM
also selling them to marine parks,to me,is just a waste of time.after the trauma of the massacre and the stress of captivity,they would soon die in a tank.

paulaorcas
10-28-2007, 10:24 AM
every living thind deserves a chance.including people.

MichelleG.
10-28-2007, 10:30 AM
i understand what your saying,we dont want them to be overabundant that is true.but i never said dont kill them at all. kill them quickly and close to painlessly.maybe instead of halfway cutting their throats,just one big...slice.then they are dead and dont have to bleed to death.im only voicing my opinion.and im trying as hard as i can to understand yours.i dont want to be disrespectful to it.this is just my opinion,im not saying its right.the difference between killing dolphins and deer is that deer and people live in basically the same place.people do not live in the ocean.also dolphins are vital to the ecosystem.and like i said before,if the japanese continue to go over the limit of the number of dolphins allowed to be killed,they could slowly begin to become endangered or threatened.it is possible.


I understand this is your opinion,I'm not bashing that or anything.
Every animal is vital to our ecosystem,not just one breed. It comes down to the fact that theres always going to be the few who go over the limit or kill an animal in a most painful matter. I don't see them becoming threatened or endangered. Do you have statistics that show how many are actually killed during this? Just wondering is all

paulaorcas
10-28-2007, 10:45 AM
for many years,about 20'000 small ceteceans were recorded as being caught annually in japanese coastal hunts.however some scientists with japan,such as Toshio Kasuya of the Far Seas Fisheries Research institute,claimed that many of the catches went unreported and that the real total of small ceteceans killed annually was near to 40,000.

im not sure if thats a reliable source but it SHOULD be.and thats a lot.

paulaorcas
10-28-2007, 10:59 AM
some are also sold to marine parks,and soon die due to the stress of captivity.

Frogger
10-28-2007, 11:05 AM
Dolphins are a resource just like any other resource. People eat cows, pigs, lambs, and yes, dolphins. That's the way it is in a non-vegan world.

Dolphins are not the cute, cuddly creatures some would like to have you believe.

Here is a video showing some of the less aggressive behavior of dolphins. There are videos that are much more graphic.

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J2N5ttFBN8

paulaorcas
10-28-2007, 11:06 AM
i know they are aggressive.

paulaorcas
10-28-2007, 11:09 AM
im not a vegan either although i hardly EVER eat meat.once in a blue moon i will,and i wont waste it.i however do not eat anything on the verge of being threatened or that is even in low numbers.i find it ok to eat meat bc i am feeding myself.and yes if i were starving,i would kill and eat a dolphin if i had to.
but i do believe that killing animals for fur is very wrong.

Foolsworth
10-28-2007, 01:58 PM
[QUOTE=Frogger]Dolphins are a resource just like any other resource. People eat cows, pigs, lambs, and yes, dolphins. That's the way it is in a non-vegan world.

Dolphins are not the cute, cuddly creatures some would like to have you believe.

Here is a video showing some of the less aggressive behavior of dolphins. There are videos that are much more graphic.


OK,I got it already.Yer none too keen on dolphins.
I don't suppose yer Family dint let you watch Flipper {TV show }
in the 60's till yer homework was finnish and GRADED.
The grading proilly took a couple hrs.But you did get to hear the
wondefull Title song,I assume.
Trivia : - Flipper - { TV series from '64-67 } was played by 3 dolphin.
Mitzi,Little Bit and Mr.Gipper.
The Title song just melted most Kids heartstrings.
Of course,NOT Today's Kids.
Todays Kids are far roo busy coloring their hair,tryin to go for
Tattoo and bein little snotbags.

Napsterbater
10-28-2007, 03:17 PM
I'd much rather hang out with one of Foolsworth's little snotbags, than Foolsworth, any day. Who wants to hang out with someone so bitter and mopey?

rendova
10-28-2007, 07:47 PM
Killing dolphins sucks.

They have a right to live unimpreded in the ocean. We don't.

Same for sharks. You don't see them coming onto land bothering people.
I was on the shark's side in the movie Jaws. The critter had a right to survive.
I sided with Moby Dick too. There's some creatures we as men need to leave be.

Frogger
10-28-2007, 07:58 PM
Nothing has a right to live unless man says it has a right to live. Animals don't have rights.

rendova
10-28-2007, 08:04 PM
Don't tell that to Ahab or the crew of the Pequod, Frogger.

go Moby..............:D

Frogger
10-28-2007, 08:14 PM
What's green and lives at the bottom of the ocean?














































Moby Pickle.

Foolsworth
10-28-2007, 09:23 PM
I'd much rather hang out with one of Foolsworth's little snotbags, than Foolsworth, any day. Who wants to hang out with someone so bitter and mopey?

There's absolutely nuthin wrong with havin fun and enjoyin
onself.The problem IS,Today's Youth no Nuthin besides
havin fun.They { today's kids } have no firsthand concept
of hardship,goin truly hungry { Little besides week old bread and
watered down soup } and goin off to bed hungry and cold {winter}.
Today's youth has no fear of lack of proper clothes or shoes.
Today's Youth can scrounge up or steal a candy bar,w/o
a hint of a problem.Just whine till they get some funky clothes
or footwear.
Each succeeding generation becomes weaker and less able
to handle stress and true hardship,when it strikes,because
of the cushy construct of a Society beholdin to Touchy-Feely
bullcrapola.
Add into the mix.teen heartrobs like Paris,Brittany and Lindsay
and ya got one helluva screwed-up generation of WORTHLESS
numbskulls.

Scumbelina
10-28-2007, 09:39 PM
Every year,Japan begins it's annual hunting,and killing,of dolphins.the slaughter is inhumane and must be changed immediatly.supposedly,japan is also going over the limit of the number of dolphins allowed to be killed.big or small,endangered or not,dolphins are driven into shallow waters by fisherman.the dolphins are surrounded and and they become disoriented as the fishermen hit sounding rods,which interfere with the dolphins sonar,against the boats.pods are seperated as large groups of dolphins are crowded into an area enclosed with a net.the fisherman hoist the dolphins out of the water upsidedown by a rope attached below the flukes.the dolphins are still alive.some are put in the back of trucks,thrashing,while others are dragged on the ground behind them.the dolphins throats are cut and they are forced to bleed to death.this suffering can go on for 6 or more minutes.so not only are they killing large amounts of endangered species,but they force them to suffer too.this is very unfair and has to change.these are innocent beings,and deserve better.plz support the conservation of wild dolphins,and help end the dolphin massacre in taiji and futo japan.


I'm sure you've seen this petition and signed it once or twice or (???) but if you haven't, lookey here...

I signed it quite a few times myself but of course, with different names and email addys :-) The dolphins and whales should NEVER go thru such torture...

http://www.petitiononline.com/golfinho/petition.html

Scumbelina
10-28-2007, 09:47 PM
I don't know if this has been posted here but it's worth watching... .and crying over :-(

http://www.flicklife.com/ff5ba48402883d9b7270/Dolphins_Massacre_in_Japan.html

WindWip
10-28-2007, 10:26 PM
its unfair and unjust!supposedly japan is also going OVER the limit of the number of dolphins allowed to be killed and that COULD possibly lead to endangerment.

Bring up some evidence to support that claim and we can have a nice discussion on it.

WindWip
10-28-2007, 10:31 PM
btw I agree with frogger on this one. Animals don't really have rights. Sure, we make laws regarding animals so that they aren't tortured, but in the situation you just described the dolphins are being captured or killed for a purpose, not for causing them pain.

Jester
10-28-2007, 10:36 PM
Is there a reason that dolphins are more special than other animals we eat? If a species of dolphin is not endangered, I see nothing wrong in killing them for food as long as it doesn't harm the ecosystem.

Napsterbater
10-28-2007, 11:14 PM
There's absolutely nuthin wrong with havin fun and enjoyin
onself.The problem IS,Today's Youth no Nuthin besides
havin fun.They { today's kids } have no firsthand concept
of hardship,goin truly hungry { Little besides week old bread and
watered down soup } and goin off to bed hungry and cold {winter}.
Today's youth has no fear of lack of proper clothes or shoes.
Today's Youth can scrounge up or steal a candy bar,w/o
a hint of a problem.Just whine till they get some funky clothes
or footwear.
Each succeeding generation becomes weaker and less able
to handle stress and true hardship,when it strikes,because
of the cushy construct of a Society beholdin to Touchy-Feely
bullcrapola.
Add into the mix.teen heartrobs like Paris,Brittany and Lindsay
and ya got one helluva screwed-up generation of WORTHLESS
numbskulls.
Whaddya want, another Depression?

rendova
10-29-2007, 07:28 AM
Is there a reason that dolphins are more special than other animals we eat? If a species of dolphin is not endangered, I see nothing wrong in killing them for food as long as it doesn't harm the ecosystem.

Well, Jester, I look at it like this---it's bad enough we've hunted and destroyed other highly evolved species that live on land---certain species of wolves, tigers, elephants...do we have to mess with highly evolved, intelligent creatures with an elaborate social system, who "speak" a language, and who bother no one in the ocean---their territory where we do not belong?

In my mind, this sucks.

PS. Has anyone ever heard of the tale that took place 150 odd years ago of a friendly dolphin who'd swim out to meet various ships approaching a dangerous harbor through which there was only a very narrow safe passage through the reef?

For years, this gentle creature safely guided hundreds of ships to a safe mooring--until one day, a Russian trawler took potshots at the dolphin, who dived to safety, and then was not seen for some time.

Ten years later, the same ship approached the harbor. The dolphin swam out, and deliberately guided the ship onto the rocks, where it floundered and sank. A true story.

And what about the dozens of drowning swimmers who've been rescued by dolphins?

Frogger
10-29-2007, 07:50 AM
Has the ring of an urban legend to me, Rendova.

Sure, dolphins are cute. Flipper was a television star.

Cows are cute too. Elsie the Cow was the spokescow for Borden dairy products and her 'husband' Elmer the Bull was the spokesbull for Elmer's glue. We still have no problem eating beef.

Some animals are considered cute and cuddly or pets and so safe from being killed and eaten. Dolphins, puppies, kittens, parrots, goldfish, etc. Others are considered food animals, cows, pigs, sheep, chickens, turkeys, etc. The only things that differentiates one group from the other is P.R. and our cultural perceptions.

Indians would be aghast at the thought of eating a cow. Devout Jews and Muslims would never consider eating a pig. Koreans enjoy eating dog and the French like a good slice of horsemeat on occasion. We see dolphins as friendly denizens of the sea. Fish see them as vicious predators and the Japanese see them as food.

I try to get over my food predjudices and I have eaten many animals that aren't normally found on the average American or Western menu. I've eaten kangaroo, alligator, squirrel, possum, frog, turtle, witchity grub, snake, ants, crocodile, goat, buffalo, elk, deer, along with the usual cow, sheep, eels, assorted fish, crabs, lobsters, snails, clams, oysters, limpets, mussels, and rabbits. I've eaten birds of various kinds; chicken, duck, goose, quail, turkey, grouse, emu, ostrich and others I can't remember.

Food is food and the only thing that decides what we view as a food animal is cultural predjudice. Most of us wouldn't eat a monkey but bush meat is quite popular in parts of Africa. Most of us don't eat insects but they relish them in certain parts of Mexico. In China they eat almost anything that moves, sometimes while it is still moving.

Flipper was cute but let's not try to force our cultural norms on the Japanese.

rendova
10-29-2007, 07:58 AM
Not an urban legend, Frogger, tho I was wrong about the nationality of the ship.

Here's more tales of heroic dolphins:

http://nicolesdolphins.tripod.com/helpfuldolphins.html


Now, if people were starving I could see doing a bit of hunting in a humane manner....... but they're not, and it isn't.

Where is Moby Dick when we need him, lol, and anyone recall the tale of the bull sperm whale, a real life Moby, who turned aand repeatedly attacked the whaler until it sank?

Frogger
10-29-2007, 08:05 AM
Now, if people were starving I could see doing a bit of hunting in a humane manner....... but they're not, and it isn't.

People who aren't starving eat lots of animals. Go to any supermarket and you will see animal parts lying there in clear plastic wrap.

We are just insulated from how that meat gets to the supermarket. To most of us it isn't the remains of animals, it is simply steak, or a chop or a cutlet. Each of those pieces of meat was once a living animal.

It is no different with the dolphins. Once they get to the supermarket they are simply a steak or a cutlet.

I didn't see any overt cruelty to the dolphins. They were hunted the same way animals have been hunter for millenia, get them in one spot and dispatch them.

rendova
10-29-2007, 08:11 AM
I know you're right, Frogger, and I understand your argument, which is good and logical...so I have to fall back on an ILLOGICAL argument, but yet...


I come from a long line of sea faring folk. It is the worst kind of luck to hunt and kill dolphins. The only thing worse is to see the Flying Dutchman or have a priest or pig on board. You just don''t do it--ever--unless you want the Kracken to rise from his watery depths and drag you screaming and struggling to Davy Jones' locker, where your bones will be gnawed on by crabs for an eternity.

Hunt at your own risk.

sedan
10-29-2007, 08:28 AM
I've eaten kangaroo, alligator, squirrel, possum, frog ...Cannibal!!

Eating Kermit is wrong!! :eek:

Leper
10-29-2007, 09:45 AM
Nothing has a right to live unless man says it has a right to live. Animals don't have rights.

Hmmm, I find this statement disturbing. Sorry, but I don't think humans determine the rights of all living beings. It's as if you believe man is God.... Humans are not always right or all-powerful. It's a dangerous attitude that encourages the subjugation of anyone and everything that is not human ...the same attitude that led to the enslavement of blacks and leads to the extinction of a variety of animals.

With that said, I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with killing dolphins for food. However, it's important to carefully monitor such hunting because populations of larger, slower-developing animals, like cetaceans, are more vulnerable to excessive "harvesting."

Frogger
10-29-2007, 10:30 AM
Hmmm, I find this statement disturbing. Sorry, but I don't think humans determine the rights of all living beings. It's as if you believe man is God.... Humans are not always right or all-powerful. It's a dangerous attitude that encourages the subjugation of anyone and everything that is not human ...the same attitude that led to the enslavement of blacks and leads to the extinction of a variety of animals.

With that said, I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with killing dolphins for food. However, it's important to carefully monitor such hunting because populations of larger, slower-developing animals, like cetaceans, are more vulnerable to excessive "harvesting."

Nope! I don't think man is God but I think God has given man dominion over the animals. Sorry, but humand DO determine the rights of all other living things. That might not sit well with you but that is the way it is.

It is not at all the same attitude that led to the enslavementy of blacks. (Why only the enslavement of blacks to the exclusion of the enslavement of all other people who have been and are still being enslaved? Is black enslavement somehow worse than those other enslavements?)

The only reason to be careful in harvesting certain animals for food is so they will be there for the use or enjoyment of future generations. Animals, including dolphins and other cetaceans have no inherent right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness any more than does a rat or a cockroach.

rendova
10-29-2007, 10:47 AM
Frogger, that's just wrong..on many levels.
Mainly, it's wrong to compare a highly evolved, intelligent creature of any kind, to a cockroach.
Secondly, it's wrong to use the entire phrase "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness". We are merely talking about mere life, which, if they do not have a right to, then neither do we.......:


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For the dolphin killers. Enjoy yourself.

paulaorcas
11-02-2007, 06:53 PM
btw I agree with frogger on this one. Animals don't really have rights. Sure, we make laws regarding animals so that they aren't tortured, but in the situation you just described the dolphins are being captured or killed for a purpose, not for causing them pain.
if animals dont have rights PPL DONT HAVE RIGHTS EITHER!!!!!we are the most horible creatures on earth!look at wat we've done to it!right is just a stupid political word.everything deserves a chance to live and be treated with respect.animals have feeling and emotions,it has been proven,just like us.HUMANS ARENT THE ONLY CREATURES ON EARTH,WE JUST ACT LIKE IT.uh,yeah actually i did say before many times they were SUFFERING.just telling you.

paulaorcas
11-02-2007, 09:07 PM
Well, Jester, I look at it like this---it's bad enough we've hunted and destroyed other highly evolved species that live on land---certain species of wolves, tigers, elephants...do we have to mess with highly evolved, intelligent creatures with an elaborate social system, who "speak" a language, and who bother no one in the ocean---their territory where we do not belong?

In my mind, this sucks.

PS. Has anyone ever heard of the tale that took place 150 odd years ago of a friendly dolphin who'd swim out to meet various ships approaching a dangerous harbor through which there was only a very narrow safe passage through the reef?

For years, this gentle creature safely guided hundreds of ships to a safe mooring--until one day, a Russian trawler took potshots at the dolphin, who dived to safety, and then was not seen for some time.

Ten years later, the same ship approached the harbor. The dolphin swam out, and deliberately guided the ship onto the rocks, where it floundered and sank. A true story.

And what about the dozens of drowning swimmers who've been rescued by dolphins?
thats an amazing story.thanks for posting it!!!:)

Leper
11-05-2007, 09:26 AM
What if one day there was a species that was smarter and more technologically advanced than humans? And let's assume that species enjoyed eating meat.

So, if that were the case, should the new species be allowed to slaughter and eat humans at its leisure?

afinertouch5
11-05-2007, 09:37 AM
Well I don't have a problem with meat but I think it's perfectly defensible for someone to plead for quick and painless methods to kill the animals we intend to eat.