HAS Anti-war protesting found a new low?


HOUSTON -- The family of a fallen Marine is dealing with another shock -- their son's new grave was vandalized.

Lance Cpl. Jeremy Burris, 22, of Liberty, died in Iraq and was buried at Cook Memorial Cemetery earlier this week.
The cemetery has a locked gate at the front and a fence around the perimeter, but vandals managed to get in sometime between Wednesday night and Thursday morning, less than two days after the Liberty marine was buried, officials said.
Bill Offutt, a Vietnam veteran, was one of the people who helped clean up the mess before anyone could see it.

"It was trashed," said Offutt, "The wreaths that had been around the grave -- they ripped them apart and stuff was strewn everywhere."

Burris was laid to rest on Tuesday. Huge crowds lined the streets to bid him a final farewell. The community is now in shock.

Tom Smathers, a Liberty resident said, "It's terrible. You can't believe someone would do something like that."

"They're doing their best to keep us safe. It's horrible," said resident William Dozer.

Liberty police said they have no leads and no idea who would do this or why, but even the chief is outraged.

"This is a despicable act. In 30 years of policing, it's probably the lowest event I have witnessed," said Chief Mike Cummings.

He stressed that vandalizing a grave is a crime, and asked for the public's help in figuring out the culprits.

Pusillanimous Behavior (http://www.click2houston.com/news/14384502/detail.html)


:rant:

I hope who ever did it dies a slow painful death!:mad:

that is just sick. Who the heck gets enjoyment out of doing stuff like that.
Sadly,the person or people probably won't be caught. This happened to my baby nephews grave acouple years ago not long after he was buried and the person/people still haven't been caught.

Es,

From your c/p...

Liberty police said they have no leads and no idea who would do this or why, but even the chief is outraged.

And yet you are calling it "anti-war protesting"... when this could easily have been the work of a Fred Phelps type group or just random teenage vandalism.
The point is you don't know!

This kind of pathetic political hackery is why I have zero respect for you... well this and the way you attack the patriotism of everyone who disagrees with you.

:stfu

Es,

From your c/p...



And yet you are calling it "anti-war protesting"...

This kind of pathetic political hackery is why I have zero respect for you... well this and the way you attack the patriotism of everyone who disagrees with you.

:stfu

And your pandering to the left is why I have zero respect for you. What the fuck do you think the desecration of the grave was, an act of respect? Who the hell do you think did it, pro-military people?

You constant apologizing for or discounting the actions of the anti-war left is sickening. It is one thing to protest the war. It is quite another thing to desecrate the grave of one of our fallen soldiers.

Have to say,this dosent look like an anti war statement to me.

The fact that a mother lost her 22 year old son would be more of a statement against this war than anything else.

And your pandering to the left is why I have zero respect for you. What the fuck do you think the desecration of the grave was, an act of respect? Who the hell do you think did it, pro-military people?

I think vandals did it. I don't know who did it, or why they did it, any more than you do.


You constant apologizing for or discounting the actions of the anti-war left is sickening. It is one thing to protest the war. It is quite another thing to desecrate the grave of one of our fallen soldiers.

You're right, those are two different things. If this was done to protest the war why don't the police have any evidence of this?

Have to say,this dosent look like an anti war statement to me.


If this was done by anti-war protesters, they failed to leave a clear message to that effect.

We're pretty familiar with cemetery vandalism, seeing as how we do quite a bit of research in cemeteries, both old and newer, for family research.
It is always a sickening sight, seeing tombstones toppled, obsceneties scrawled, flowers and wreaths trampled.

If the soldier's grave was the ONLY one vandalized, I'd say that it was indeed some kind of anti-war protest.

You would say that, Rendova, but it seems not one member of our leftist contingent can bring himself to say it.

You would say that, Rendova, but it seems not one member of our leftist contingent can bring himself to say it.

That's because the "left" isn't as fond of making up facts to support our position as you are Frogger. For some bizarre reason, you seem to draw pleasure from assuming this was done by "the left" and then you laughably accuse others of being "partisan". It may very well be that this vandalism was done as some form of protest against the war. At the moment, we have no evidence to make that determination, and neither do the police. I think it more likely the act of some dumb teenagers, rather than a deliberate attempt to desecrate the grave of a veteran for political purposes.

If the soldier's grave was the ONLY one vandalized, I'd say that it was indeed some kind of anti-war protest.

You may very well be right Ren, but if it was a protest against the war, they didn't do a very good job of it.

That's because the "left" isn't as fond of making up facts to support our position as you are Frogger. For some bizarre reason, you seem to draw pleasure from assuming this was done by "the left" and then you laughably accuse others of being "partisan". It may very well be that this vandalism was done as some form of protest against the war. At the moment, we have no evidence to make that determination, and neither do the police. I think it more likely the act of some dumb teenagers, rather than a deliberate attempt to desecrate the grave of a veteran for political purposes.

Sure, Vile, it was random vandals and they just happened to target the grave of a fallen soldier just two days after his burial. You may not be fond of making up facts but you sure are good at ignoring the obvious.

Sure, Vile, it was random vandals and they just happened to target the grave of a fallen soldier just two days after his burial. You may not be fond of making up facts but you sure are good at ignoring the obvious.

What "obvious" things did I ignore? You know nothing about this incident other than a grave was vandalized, and it happened to be the grave of a soldier who was killed in Iraq and buried recently. How was the grave marked? Did the vandals know it was the grave of a soldier killed in Iraq? I don't know, and neither do you, yet you're willing to draw a political conclusion based on what you don't know, and insult those who aren't inclined to make political hay out of a disturbing incident. Congratulations on not being partisan like those on the "looney left". :rolleyes:

I chose to interpert the article into one of an anti-war protestation.

I have edited the subtitle of the post to reflect a question rather than a statement.

I chose to interpert the article into one of an anti-war protestation.

I have edited the subtitle of the post to reflect a question rather than a statement.

Nice edit, ES. I hope it just turns out to be a bunch of stupid kids.

If this was done by anti-war protesters, they failed to leave a clear message to that effect.

Because Liberals need { thrive on } the Smoking Gun scanario.?
Unless someone like Michael Moores putz his personal Good
Housekeeping Seal of Approval on a Public display or storyline,
Danny it doesn't merit further exploitation.
However when a Smoking Gun is found and it's a Liberal
contrivance,then it dies a very quiet and unceremonious death
of a thousand silences.
Get my drift.?

What should be the issue here is that a grave was desecrated and it should not be about who or what the person was.....This is appalling and an act that we can never understand..
Only the vandals knew what was going on in their minds..whether it was an anti military thing or just some kids high and out to have sick and twisted fun..

The people hurt are the family of the falling soldier..but he was a son/friend/husband/lover before he was a solider.

yes, he was all those things, Shortstuff but do you honestly think his grave would have been vandalized were he not also a fallen soldier?

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck chances are pretty good it is a duck. Some posters here will demand a level of proof that is impossible to provide before they will believe anything bad about the left. It is funny how Vilepagan was so reluctant to jump to conclusions where Rush Limbaugh was involved. In that thread he was making suppositions all over the place.

yes, he was all those things, Shortstuff but do you honestly think his grave would have been vandalized were he not also a fallen soldier?

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck chances are pretty good it is a duck. Some posters here will demand a level of proof that is impossible to provide before they will believe anything bad about the left. It is funny how Vilepagan was so reluctant to jump to conclusions where Rush Limbaugh was involved. In that thread he was making suppositions all over the place.

This is not about Vile..I personally don't care..not trying to be rude.

The facts are we don't know why this poor mans grave was desicrated...that is the bottom line.
There have been many Graves all over the world that get desecrated every day..and with every one of them there could be an argument made....
A black persons grave=Because they were black, this is true of any race.
A redneck or child molester..
A old man or a grandmother......we just don't know.
That is all I am saying.
Until they catch whom ever did this we can only debate and speculate. That does not always solve it..
No one person is wrong in right on how they view this...it is a matter of opinion until the vandals are caught.
Bottom line I hope that is soon and they get what they deserve.

This is not about Vile..I personally don't care..not trying to be rude.

The facts are we don't know why this poor mans grave was desicrated...that is the bottom line.
There have been many Graves all over the world that get desecrated every day..and with every one of them there could be an argument made....
A black persons grave=Because they were black, this is true of any race.
A redneck or child molester..
A old man or a grandmother......we just don't know.
That is all I am saying.
Until they catch whom ever did this we can only debate and speculate. That does not always solve it..
No one person is wrong in right on how they view this...it is a matter of opinion until the vandals are caught.
Bottom line I hope that is soon and they get what they deserve.HaVe to agree with you. Until someone steps forward and claims responsibility, or is apprehended, there is no way of knowing exactly why the grave was desecrated. It COULD be an anti war protest, but without any proof whatsoever, we just dont know.



I do agree with ES when he calls them spineless cowards, whatever their intentions were when they did this.

Yes.Its a terrible thing to do.
If it was anti war protesters-its terrible.

If it was a bunch of drunken kids-its terrible.

if this soldiers grave was the only one vandalized,it's highly possible it could have been someone who just didn't like him.
As Vile stated,they didn't get any kind of point across if this was an anti-war protest.

Texas police arrested a man accused of vandalizing the gravesite of a Marine killed in Iraq to sell parts of floral arrangements left in his memory.
Lance Cpl. Jeremy Burris, 22, of Liberty, Texas, was killed in Iraq on Oct. 8 by an improvised explosive device. After burial services, workers at the Cooke Memorial Cemetery found flags, posters and flowers ripped up at the gravesite.
"This town had turned out in such huge numbers to bury Corporal Burris," Liberty Police Chief Mike Cummings told FOXNews.com. "To have something like this happen right on the heels of that ceremony, it was like a blow to the gut."
Liberty police arrested Wallace DeBlanc Wednesday night on state felony charges of criminal mischief at a place of human burial and felony theft. DeBlanc faces up to two years in jail and up to $20,000 in fines.
DeBlanc confessed in a statement to police to stealing the flower wire stands from the gravesite to resell them to florists, Cummings said. DeBlanc profited less than $100 from the ordeal, Cummings said.
Police tracked down the stolen items from the gravesite leading to DeBlanc, who has a previous criminal history.
Brent Burris, Jeremy's father, said the family was relieved that the suspect was caught.
"We're glad that it wasn't some kind of political event," Brent Burris told FOXNews.com. "We weren't happy that it happened but it didn't upset us, either."
Burris said his son always wanted to be a Marine since a young child and joined about two years ago.
"We are very proud of him," Burris said. "We are obviously sad about the loss but he was doing what he wanted to do and he was also being a strong witness of his faith."

Despicable behavior (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,305240,00.html)

two months ago in Houston they caught someone who was stealing the brass plaques from vets graves and selling them for scrap metal. they estimate he made over 20k from selling them.

should scrap dealers/florists ask questions when these pathetic people show up with these items. I am sure it is visibly clear these are shady people.

yes, he was all those things, Shortstuff but do you honestly think his grave would have been vandalized were he not also a fallen soldier?

In an odd way you turned out to be right here Frogger. The vandal, err thief, was attracted to the large number of flowers left because the deceased was a soldier.


Some posters here will demand a level of proof that is impossible to provide before they will believe anything bad about the left.

And some posters will believe bad things about the "left" even when there's no evidence to suggest that they should.

Wow - I would've never bought that explanation. Color me surprised.

As to the desecration argument, why would a liberal ever do that? I mean, it's not like they've ever spit on soldiers or protested the war during someone's funeral or at their subsequent burial before.

Preposterous assumption, Frogger - preposterous, I tell you!!! :mad:

In an odd way you turned out to be right here Frogger. The vandal, err thief, was attracted to the large number of flowers left because the deceased was a soldier.
Here's a taste of your own medicine, Vile - what proof do you have that it was "because" the deceased was a soldier? :)

Isnt this guy a thief,who made it look like a political statement to cover his tracks?

I think just the opposite, actually.

IMO, it was a wise move to play the thief card.

Hmm,thats an interesting angel.

Now,someone,whats with this spitting on military personnel?

I think just the opposite, actually.

IMO, it was a wise move to play the thief card.C'mon Prae....you think this guy stole the flowers and went to the trouble of selling them to create a smokescreen? I mean, the only reason they caught him was because they tracked the sale of the flowers.

Maybe you're right, but until this guy uses his 15 minutes to decry the war in iraq, i have to keep doubting that.

Hmm,thats an interesting angel.

Now,someone,whats with this spitting on military personnel?Vietnam vets were abused in this way as a form of protest for the war when they arrived back in our country.

Now,someone,whats with this spitting on military personnel?
It doesn't happen any more, but at one point in time (think Vietnam) it happened at, well, pretty much all of our airports on a daily basis. The people who did so were all hippie-praising, orgy-taking, fuck-happy liberals.

It doesn't happen any more, but at one point in time (think Vietnam) it happened at, well, pretty much all of our airports on a daily basis. The people who did so were all hippie-praising, orgy-taking, fuck-happy liberals.I havent the same level of elocution as Prae here, but what he said. :)

I seen that in movies,didnt know it went on in real life.

Its strange how an unpopular war can split a nation-some things never change-apart from the spitting Im glad to say.

C'mon Prae....you think this guy stole the flowers and went to the trouble of selling them to create a smokescreen?
He didn't steal the flowers - he stole the wire stands. That said, I don't think he did it to make a political statement, HOWEVER (and it makes me skeptical) that's a very odd thing to do for a minimal return. I mean, was this man indigent? I can only imagine he was, but either way, I'd like to know for sure.

He didn't steal the flowers - he stole the wire stands. That said, I don't think he did it to make a political statement, HOWEVER (and it makes me skeptical) that's a very odd thing to do for a minimal return. I mean, was this man indigent? I can only imagine he was, but either way, I'd like to know for sure.
You're right...apologies...got in a rush, wire stands. And good point on his economical status, it could say a lot about his actions.

Wow - I would've never bought that explanation. Color me surprised.

As to the desecration argument, why would a liberal ever do that? I mean, it's not like they've ever spit on soldiers or protested the war during someone's funeral or at their subsequent burial before.

I doubt the participants in these activities are bright enough to make their own choices come election day, someone tells them who to vote for. However, they actually show up at military funerals with the sole purpose of disrupting the service:

Westboro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church)

Some actions taken against them:

Rest in Peace Act (http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/8208663/detail.html)

Lawsuit (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,305279,00.html)

Texas police arrested a man accused of vandalizing the gravesite of a Marine killed in Iraq to sell parts of floral arrangements left in his memory.
Lance Cpl. Jeremy Burris, 22, of Liberty, Texas, was killed in Iraq on Oct. 8 by an improvised explosive device. After burial services, workers at the Cooke Memorial Cemetery found flags, posters and flowers ripped up at the gravesite.
"This town had turned out in such huge numbers to bury Corporal Burris," Liberty Police Chief Mike Cummings told FOXNews.com. "To have something like this happen right on the heels of that ceremony, it was like a blow to the gut."
Liberty police arrested Wallace DeBlanc Wednesday night on state felony charges of criminal mischief at a place of human burial and felony theft. DeBlanc faces up to two years in jail and up to $20,000 in fines.
DeBlanc confessed in a statement to police to stealing the flower wire stands from the gravesite to resell them to florists, Cummings said. DeBlanc profited less than $100 from the ordeal, Cummings said.
Police tracked down the stolen items from the gravesite leading to DeBlanc, who has a previous criminal history.
Brent Burris, Jeremy's father, said the family was relieved that the suspect was caught.
"We're glad that it wasn't some kind of political event," Brent Burris told FOXNews.com. "We weren't happy that it happened but it didn't upset us, either."
Burris said his son always wanted to be a Marine since a young child and joined about two years ago.
"We are very proud of him," Burris said. "We are obviously sad about the loss but he was doing what he wanted to do and he was also being a strong witness of his faith."

Despicable behavior (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,305240,00.html)

Just out to steal wire stands - does not sound political to me.

Have to say,this dosent look like an anti war statement to me.

The fact that a mother lost her 22 year old son would be more of a statement against this war than anything else.

I agree, but if it was anti-war protesters they obviously don't represent the whole. I can easily bring up articles on retards who are pro-war as well.

A couple of low-life punks desecrated a grave in a very isolated incident, don't try to generalize based on that one act.

Vietnam vets were abused in this way as a form of protest for the war when they arrived back in our country.

It is an urban legend based on isolated incidents Paul.

There is no credible evidence that it ever happened with any regularity.

It is an urban legend based on isolated incidents Paul.

There is no credible evidence that it ever happened with any regularity.
It may be isolated incidents Paul. However, it happened to both my father and uncle on each of their rotations back to the States. My uncle actually got spit on, while my father was only spit at. I think it was a whole lot more prevalent than dharmabum would like to believe.

I had heard of this,but didnt know it actually happened.

The ordinary joe who is the frontline troops,goes were hes sent and does his job,the politics of it all is not his business.

It may be isolated incidents Paul. However, it happened to both my father and uncle on each of their rotations back to the States. My uncle actually got spit on, while my father was only spit at. I think it was a whole lot more prevalent than dharmabum would like to believe.

As I said, no credible evidence.

I had heard of this,but didnt know it actually happened.

The ordinary joe who is the frontline troops,goes were hes sent and does his job,the politics of it all is not his business.

Yet it is still considered politically correct in America to kill "nazis", even though most German troops in WW2 were not Nazis.

As I said, no credible evidence.
You know, i was sharing some personal insight with Paul. There was no need for that smart remark. No one on this panel is "credible" if you want to get down to brass tacks. However, your remark was uneccessary.

Sure, Vile, it was random vandals and they just happened to target the grave of a fallen soldier just two days after his burial. You may not be fond of making up facts but you sure are good at ignoring the obvious.

Wouldn't surprise me to find it was some right wing nut trying to make the left look bad!
Frogger, you got an alibi?

Yes, as a matter of fact, I do. I was out stomping the crap out of left wing assholes at the time the grave desecration took place. Have your wounds healed yet?

Yes, as a matter of fact, I do. I was out stomping the crap out of left wing assholes at the time the grave desecration took place. Have your wounds healed yet?
:)

You know, i was sharing some personal insight with Paul. There was no need for that smart remark. No one on this panel is "credible" if you want to get down to brass tacks. However, your remark was uneccessary.

I disagree. The point I was reiterating is that there is no credible evidence that it happened. No pictures. No video. No news stories.
It is an urban legend based upon exactly what you did, "I knew someone once who said they were spit on."

Thats it.

Yeah, I'm sure his dad and uncle (and not to mention, Es, or a multitude of other Vietnam vets for that matter) would have every reason to lie about being spat upon or at. :rolleyes:

Just because I don't have any pictures of you jerking off to gay porn doesn't mean you don't partake in the activity on a regular basis. Of course, if ten thousand people said they saw you doing it, then I'd probably 'em.

Speaking from experience hmmm

Just intuition, Paul – just intuition....;)

Yeah, I'm sure his dad and uncle (and not to mention, Es, or a multitude of other Vietnam vets for that matter) would have every reason to lie about being spat upon or at.

I never said his uncle or dad or brother or friend or whomever lied about anything.

Show me some credible evidence it ever happened and I might have some reason to believe it.

Hell, as of now there is more evidence of Bigfoot than of vets getting spat on.

Hell, as of now there is more evidence of Bigfoot than of vets getting spat on.

http://www.ogpaper.com/images/Rick-Jacobs-Bigfoot-picture.jpg

http://www.ogpaper.com/images/Rick-Jacobs-Bigfoot-picture.jpg

That particular picture looks like a dog licking itself.

There is another one of the same series that is better.. standing upright... i cant seem to find it though.