This is an interesting story. I hope not to many people dissapear in the night to Chavez's gulags over this.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8SCGAA80&show_article=1&image=large

Just wait - they'll figure out some way to blame Bush for it.

LOL, you are probably right. Not a good time to be an American flag in Caracas!

Damn shame, too. Che was always so rakishly chic in that beret and scruffy beard.

LOL, you are probably right. Not a good time to be an American flag in Caracas!

You mean there's a good time?

Che is an International icon,Im sure Hugo has plenty more statues of him.

Maybe in Ireland he is an icon. Here he is considered scum.

Maybe in Ireland he is an icon. Here he is considered scum.

You mean, He is an ICON everywhere but here... It figures... He is an ICON for many in the US too... though they are not free to say it or show it...

Now, I don't see a monument for Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Johnson, or any bastard (scum) that preceded them anywhere in other countries... How about that...
I'll change my avatar back to him, just to piss you off...

I think he may be an Icon around the world.

Why would he be considered scum in America.

Liberal, in order for you to piss me off you would have to have some importance or significance for me. News flash! You don't. I don't care if you use a picture of Josef Stalin as your avatar.

I think he may be an Icon around the world.

Why would he be considered scum in America.



Here is a bit of the reason, Paul.

The Cult of Che
Don't applaud The Motorcycle Diaries.
By Paul Berman
Posted Friday, Sept. 24, 2004, at 7:33 AM ET

Portrait of the insurgent as a young man
The cult of Ernesto Che Guevara is an episode in the moral callousness of our time. Che was a totalitarian. He achieved nothing but disaster. Many of the early leaders of the Cuban Revolution favored a democratic or democratic-socialist direction for the new Cuba. But Che was a mainstay of the hardline pro-Soviet faction, and his faction won. Che presided over the Cuban Revolution's first firing squads. He founded Cuba's "labor camp" system—the system that was eventually employed to incarcerate gays, dissidents, and AIDS victims. To get himself killed, and to get a lot of other people killed, was central to Che's imagination. In the famous essay in which he issued his ringing call for "two, three, many Vietnams," he also spoke about martyrdom and managed to compose a number of chilling phrases: "Hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine. This is what our soldiers must become …"— and so on. He was killed in Bolivia in 1967, leading a guerrilla movement that had failed to enlist a single Bolivian peasant. And yet he succeeded in inspiring tens of thousands of middle class Latin-Americans to exit the universities and organize guerrilla insurgencies of their own. And these insurgencies likewise accomplished nothing, except to bring about the death of hundreds of thousands, and to set back the cause of Latin-American democracy—a tragedy on the hugest scale.

http://slate.com/id/2107100/

He did achieve his target by being killed.

Most people who wear his image probably dint know all the facts.

To them,he fought for the poor guy.

He's image has become very popular around Europe of late,again.

He did achieve his target by being killed.

Most people who wear his image probably dint know all the facts.

To them,he fought for the poor guy.

He's image has become very popular around Europe of late,again.


I would not be surprised to see a resurgence of the Communist Party, among young Europeans, or young Americans either, for that matter. They quite often make poor, or ill informed decisions.

Paul,

In my opinion most young people both in Europe and the United States are not too cognizant of politics. They tend to dabble, if that, rather than study. Che t-shirts look cool so they wear them. Raised fists salutes look cool so they raise their fists. I consider them radical chic. If they studied a bit and knew what these idols of theirs actually stood for many of them would be shocked and horrified.

You want to know why I think Ernesto 'Che' Guevara is scum, Paul, look at the following site.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQa6Xk6y3q4&eurl=http://24.69.78.93/forum/index.php?topic=5295.0

I would not be surprised to see a resurgence of the Communist Party, among young Europeans, or young Americans either, for that matter. They quite often make poor, or ill informed decisions.

It's loads of fun being a Commie.

You get to stand in line for 12 hours to buy a loaf of bread, live in a 2 room rat infested apartment, ride a bike in subzero weather to your job of packing cartons, and get sent to the Gulag for the felony of having a Monopoly game in your own personal dump.

Who wouldn't want such a thing?

It's loads of fun being a Commie.

You get to stand in line for 12 hours to buy a loaf of bread, live in a 2 room rat infested apartment, ride a bike in subzero weather to your job of packing cartons, and get sent to the Gulag for the felony of having a Monopoly game in your own personal dump.

Who wouldn't want such a thing?

ren, that is the reality of communism. The young seldom see the reality of things, only the perceptions of them.

Dallas auction house handling sale of Che' Guevara artifacts (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/101507dnmetcheauction.35be7b6.html#)

For the next 11 days, the public can try to buy what is being offered as a three-inch-long lock of his thick black hair snipped from the slain guerrilla leader's head. As Che's admirers and critics this week marked the 40th anniversary of his death, Dallas-based Heritage Auction Galleries began taking bids on a private collection of artifacts from his 1967 capture and execution in Bolivia.

The items, owned by the man who says he supervised Che's burial, includes a map used to hunt him down, a set of his final fingerprints and photographs of the iconic rebel dead and alive.

Enough to attract worldwide attention, draw fire from Che supporters and prompt Heritage to tighten security for the Oct. 25 public auction in Dallas. "I knew there'd be plenty of interest, but I didn't expect anything like this," said Tom Slater, director of Heritage's Americana department.

One e-mail to the auction house called the sale an "aberration committed by unscrupulous beings who attack the memory of our unforgettable Ernesto Che Guevara." Another, from the "Argentine Antiauction Committee," attacked the auction house for its "complicity with the murderer of the glorious [Argentine-born] revolutionary."

"The hair seems to be what's upsetting people," Mr. Slater said, unlike the company's past auctions of Abraham Lincoln's locks.

Heritage is selling the memorabilia of Gustavo Villoldo, a former CIA operative, who says he led the final pursuit of Che in remote Bolivia, where he had gone to foment rebellion.

After the fighter's execution by Bolivian soldiers on Oct. 9, 1967, Mr. Villoldo didn't want Che's body returned to Cuba, where he had helped lead Fidel Castro's Marxist takeover in 1959. He says he directed the burial of the 39-year-old guerrilla leader beside two of his fighters, after clipping hair from the lower right side of his head for proof of a mission complete.

To the editors of Time magazine, Che the revolutionary was among the 20th century's 100 most important people. To his supporters, he was a sort of socialist saint and remains a symbol of justice and power. To Mr. Villoldo and other Cuban exiles, he was a murderer. They hold him responsible for the killing of political prisoners at the La Cabana prison. "To me, he is an assassin," said Mr. Villoldo, a Bay of Pigs veteran who fled Cuba after the Castro takeover. And at age 72, the Miami resident wants to sell a symbolic remnant of his enemy, evidence of his fall – in the interest of history, he says, and financial return.

"It should go to a museum or somebody who will safeguard it," he said. "If it generates a profit so be it."

He won't give the collection to Che's family, he said, but for the last 10 years has offered to take Aleida Guevara March to her father's burial site near Valle Grande. The offer, he said, is open to any Guevara family member.

DNA from the hair Mr. Villoldo is selling could settle where the rebel leader's remains truly lie. The Castro government contends the hero's bones were uncovered with six other skeletons in a Bolivian grave 10 years ago. Returned to Cuba, they are enshrined at a statue of Che in Santa Clara.

Mr. Villoldo disputes the claim ("It's one of Castro's big lies.") and maintains Che is still buried in Bolivia. "I know exactly where it is. It's an area I chose," he said.

Internet bidding ends at 10 p.m. Oct. 24. Heritage plans to have plainclothes security on hand for the in-person auction the next day, said Kelley Norwine, a company spokeswoman.

Some of the complaints have called for boycotts against the sale and company. "I haven't seen any threats about personal safety," she said. The outcry isn't surprising, Mr. Villoldo said. "Che followers are very strong in their ideals."

His family hasn't complained to the auction house. But this week in Cuba, at a ceremony marking her father's death, Aleida Guevara March was quoted saying she had no problem with the marketing of Che through the likes of T-shirts and key chains, as long as his revolutionary ideals aren't tarnished.

The bidding should attract "people who don't collect anything," Mr. Slater said. People "favorable and unfavorable toward Che," he said. "In 35 years in this business, I've never had a lot I'm more in the dark about. I can't wait to see how it plays out."WHAT'S FOR SALE

Items up for auction at Heritage Auction Galleries include a lock of Che Guevara's hair, fingerprints, maps, letters, newspaper clippings and dozens of death photographs of Che and his fellow guerrillas.


Lot description: Historic Che Guevara Archive, Including a Lock of His Hair, from the CIA Agent Who Supervised Che's Burial (http://americana.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=675&Lot_No=30580&type=&ic=rightcolumn-guevara-082307)

Hmm,I think people view che as someone who stood up for the poor,using revolution as his method,the fact he was a communist dosent really come into it.

He got his place in world history and peoples imagination.

How many people remember Baptista-zero.

In my opinion most young people both in Europe and the United States are not too cognizant of politics. They tend to dabble, if that, rather than study. Che t-shirts look cool so they wear them. Raised fists salutes look cool so they raise their fists. I consider them radical chic. If they studied a bit and knew what these idols of theirs actually stood for many of them would be shocked and horrified.

So true.

But then, too, if they had the slightest inkling what the true agenda is of the extreme Rightwing running this country, and of the massive hundreds-of-billions-of-taxdollars-yearly giveaways that the political whores in Washington have arranged for the military/Industrial complex, they would be even more shocked and horrified.

You mean, He is an ICON everywhere but here... It figures... He is an ICON for many in the US too... though they are not free to say it or show it......

alot of punk kids wear T-shirts with him on it.... kinda like when i was in H.S they would wear charles manson shirts.... Kinda like for shock value..

isnt there a movie that is a story of him and a his gay lover riding a girlish motorcycle across some country... kinda like an early version of brokeback mountain.

Never heard of him being gay.

Che also had said, during the Cuban Missile Crisis, that if the nukes had been under his control, he'd have fired them. Yeah, a real man of the people, for sure. :rolleyes:

On a related note, my dad was lucky enough to be an electronic countermeasures officer in a C-130 gunship that happened to be flying overhead when Che was shot in Bolivia. He actually saw his body lying lifeless in a pool of his own blood on a low altitude, slow speed pass, the lucky bastard. I would've loved to see that.

Sure theres pictures of him on a slab,somewhere.

I see they sold a lock of his hair at auction in Dallas last week,nothing like keeping his image going.