check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f-MznG6ilw

check this out


Excellent, thought-provoking video.

Here's one that I think makes the point even clearer.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUdZnxtKR2A&mode=related&search=

" nothing they say can set me free, don't need no mental masturbation.." ozzy

check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f-MznG6ilw

Good video, thanks for posting it Truth.

I like the song in the background. I know I have heard it before, probably in a movie soundtrack, but I can't place it.

Excellent, thought-provoking video.

Here's one that I think makes the point even clearer.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUdZnxtKR2A&mode=related&search=

Another good video. You are right, I think it makes the point even clearer.

Is that Mike Malloy narrating?

again with the fascism?

again with the fascism?

As they go about their daily lives today in GWB*sh's America, many many people --in reflecting on what transpired in Germany in the 30's and 40's-- are beginning to ask the same question.

I have to say, it really shows how complelty ignorant of history the crazed left wing is. I think they believe any way they can get Bush and Hitler or fascism in the same sentance it is a good thing. regardless of how wrong and just plain stupid is sounds to anyone with even a little knowledge of the Nazis and the lead up to their gaining power.

Have you read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich?

ya I did. And if you read that and see the Bush adminsitration you are really reaching.

I think they believe any way they can get Bush and Hitler or fascism in the same sentance it is a good thing.

It is neither "good" nor "bad".

It simply is what it is.

The truth.

Hitler was a fascist.

BushCo and his cabal are fascists.

Are they cut from exactly the same cloth? No. Do they practice exactly the same brand of authoritarianism? No.

But the 14 defining traits are there for ALL people to see.

Carla Binion wrote an excellent piece outlining the differences--subtle though they are-- of the fascism of the Hitler/Mussolini era and the brand pushed by the ConservaFascists of today.

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A kinder, gentler fascism ---By Carla Binion

While Bush and his rightwing supporters are not classic fascists, and their goals do not include a Holocaust, they have shown a tendency toward such fascist behavior as militarism, racism, destroying civil liberties, repressing the citizenry, crushing labor unions, deceptive propaganda and antidemocratic words and tactics. They are a somewhat lighter version of a very dark predecessor. Bertram Gross suggests that the opposite of friendly fascism is real democracy, including stronger civil liberties. He quotes “The Book of Counted Sorrows: ”“Evil is no faceless stranger living in a distant neighborhood. Evil has a wholesome, hometown face, with merry eyes and an open smile. Evil walks among us, wearing a mask which looks like all our faces.”"

Friendly fascists may talk of unity and bipartisanship while, at the same time, they work to co-opt Democratic senators and undercut the public’s right to elect its representatives. They may smile and shake hands and promise to earn our trust. However, unmask the friendly fascist and you see an enemy of democracy and civil liberties. You see Hitler-with-a-happy-face, a compassionate conservative, a kinder-gentler sort of tyrant.

"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Lewis Sinclair

But the 14 defining traits are there for ALL people to see.



Oh ya, the 14 points that prove your a fascist. I think I will come up with 14 points to prove your a left wing fear monger, or maybe I will make it only 10, maybe even 7. What is the minimum amount of points allowed to make it sound official?

"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Lewis Sinclair

What will communism come as? I would say it will come dressed in the flag of "equality" and "fairness". It will of course be politically correct, as that is the new censorship.

we have to hear about these "14 points of fascism" again???

These vague statements could lead to mean that pretty much half of the world's countries are fascists... I guess the Nazi's are alive and well in today's world.. who knew?

Let's see how many of these "goals" sound familiar (some were slightly modified to "hide" the original group's name/origin)....


1) US acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war
2) US willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war
3) Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the US would be a demonstration of "moral strength"
4) Permit free trade between all nations regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5) Extension of long term loans to Countries
6) Provide American aid to all nations
7) Grant recognition of China, and admission of China to the UN.
8) Set up East and West Germany as separate states
9) Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests
10) Allow all countries individual representation in the UN
11) Promote the UN as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one world government with its own independent armed forces.
12) Resist any attempt to outlaw any political party
13) Do away with loyalty oaths
14) Give all countries access to the US Patent Office
15) Capture one or both of the political parties in the US
16) Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17) Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for Socialism, and current propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations.
18) Gain control of all student newspapers
19) Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under our attack.
20) Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.
21) Gain control of key positions in radio, TV & motion pictures.
22) Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. Eliminate all "good" sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward, and meaningless forms.
23) Control art critics and directors of art museums. " Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art".
24) Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25) Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography, and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.
26) Present Homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as "normal, natural, and healthy".
27) Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch"
28) Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state"
29) Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30) Discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man".
31) Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of "the big picture:"
32) Support any movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture - - education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33) Eliminate all laws or procedures, which interfere with our operation.
34) Eliminate "unfriendly" House Committees
35) Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI
36) Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37) Infiltrate and gain control of big business
38) Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.
39) Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose us goals.
40) Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41) Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42) Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special interest groups should rise up and make a "united force" to solve economic, political, or social problems.
43) Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44) Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45) Repeal the Connally Reservation so the US can not prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.

holy! that is an amazing list. What is it from? sounds like our friendly neighborhood liberal's playbook.

It's the Communist "agenda" entered into the Congressional records on 01/10/1963 by A.S. Herlong Jr. (D-FL). Based on excepts from "A Naked Communist" by Cleon Skousen.

Protection of corporate interest.

Are you referring to Jimmy Carter's bailout of the Chrysler Corporation?

Election fraud.

Are you referring to Al Gore's attempt to steal the Florida election or perhaps to JFK's stealing of the election against Nixon?

Vilification of the other political party.

I guess you mean all the name calling being done by the Democrats, you know, like saying people have their heads blown off for the amusement of the President.

You are right. There are Fascists among us. They belong to the Democrat Party.

Let's see how many of these "goals" sound familiar (some were slightly modified to "hide" the original group's name/origin)....


1) US acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war
2) US willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war
3) Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the US would be a demonstration of "moral strength"
4) Permit free trade between all nations regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5) Extension of long term loans to Countries
6) Provide American aid to all nations
7) Grant recognition of China, and admission of China to the UN.
8) Set up East and West Germany as separate states
9) Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests
10) Allow all countries individual representation in the UN
11) Promote the UN as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one world government with its own independent armed forces.
12) Resist any attempt to outlaw any political party
13) Do away with loyalty oaths
14) Give all countries access to the US Patent Office
15) Capture one or both of the political parties in the US
16) Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17) Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for Socialism, and current propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations.
18) Gain control of all student newspapers
19) Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under our attack.
20) Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.
21) Gain control of key positions in radio, TV & motion pictures.
22) Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. Eliminate all "good" sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward, and meaningless forms.
23) Control art critics and directors of art museums. " Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art".
24) Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25) Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography, and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.
26) Present Homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as "normal, natural, and healthy".
27) Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch"
28) Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state"
29) Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30) Discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man".
31) Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of "the big picture:"
32) Support any movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture - - education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33) Eliminate all laws or procedures, which interfere with our operation.
34) Eliminate "unfriendly" House Committees
35) Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI
36) Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37) Infiltrate and gain control of big business
38) Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.
39) Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose us goals.
40) Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41) Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42) Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special interest groups should rise up and make a "united force" to solve economic, political, or social problems.
43) Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44) Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45) Repeal the Connally Reservation so the US can not prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.

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Um.whats yer definition of :
Paranoia ?

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Um.whats yer definition of :
Paranoia ?

Shrillary Clinton?

Shrillary Clinton?

I'll Toast to dat.
What'll it bee Bub.?

I'll Toast to dat.
What'll it bee Bub.?

Have to be a Miller Lite on this end, cheers!

Have to be a Miller Lite on this end, cheers!

I wonder what Shrillary Drinks.?
I say,she ain't a teetotaler.?
So,the questions remains what does the " B " drinky.
Probably expensive Nice White wine.
She ain't the martini type.
Heavens knows NOT the Bourbon type.
I doubt scotch.
Maybe some kinda Carribean drink with an umbrella.
She then uses the umbrella to ward of Slick Willy's Woody when
he decides to stay home.

I wonder what Shrillary Drinks.?
I say,she ain't a teetotaler.?
So,the questions remains what does the " B " drinky.
Probably expensive Nice White wine.
She ain't the martini type.
Heavens knows NOT the Bourbon type.
I doubt scotch.
Maybe some kinda Carribean drink with an umbrella.
She then uses the umbrella to ward of Slick Willy's Woody when
he decides to stay home.

Based on her voice, laugh, and pioson facial expressions.... I would guess she prefers either absinthe or fermented goat piss.

Based on her voice, laugh, and pioson facial expressions.... I would guess she prefers either absinthe or fermented goat piss.

Some Nites I woodn't mind some :

Absinthe

Everything changed in America in September 2006 with the passing of the Military Commissions Act... now the president (or any president) can:

Establish a separate "justice" system for trying alien unlawful enemy combatants....

Define what "torture" is... despite international laws.

Accuse any US citizen of being an enemy combatant...without the protections of the Geneva Conventions..subjecting any US citizen to months or years of isolation

Use "coerced" interrogation to obtain "evidence."

Most of us do not know or understand what has happened. Just like Germany in the 1930s....

These vague statements could lead to mean that pretty much half of the world's countries are fascists...

Really??

The video linked to gave prime examples of how the U.S. demonstrates every one of the fourteen traits of fascism listed by the political scientist Lawrence Britt.

You go on to claim that around half the rest of the countries of the world also exhibit those traits.

Name a few of these other countries around the world that you imagine demonstrate those traits in the way that the U.S. does.

You don't have to name half of the planet's nations.

5% will do.

It s only america of course. And the crazy thing is he wont leave while the leavin's good.

You have to admit... some of Hilary's quotes have a socialistic feel to them...

again with the fascism?

The discussion will go away when the fascism does.

Get used to it.

dharmabum,

Too bad we are even having this discussion. I understand high schools are no longer teaching civics thus our children aren't being educated regarding the Constitution, etc. With a fascist president in the White House who refuses to be a lame duck, the threat of fascism is all too real. Scary times for our democracy.

dharmabum,

Too bad we are even having this discussion. I understand high schools are no longer teaching civics thus our children aren't being educated regarding the Constitution, etc. With a fascist president in the White House who refuses to be a lame duck, the threat of fascism is all too real. Scary times for our democracy.
You are a fucking loony-tune. I can only hope that you and Dhrama get a room and make wild and passionate love to each other... till you both are physically and mentally exhausted (it should not take long... neither of you have much "stamina" on either count)

These "I hate Bush" threads are getting on my nerves. It's just a circle-jerk of idiotic proportions at this point. Do you even have any idea what is being taught in our schools? Or is this another one of the pandering, partisan, "shit-for brains" attack that you and your ilk persist in posting (I would guess that you have "lost your mojo" since the Vietnam protests).

BTW, if you were one of the "wonderfully enlightened" protesters that spit at our boys returning from the service (either now or during the Vietnam conflict)... I would like to personally invite you to a "welcome home party" at my house.

I'd like to join that party OP as I'm sure would a few others.

I'll be there with bells on! Anywhere in GA just can't be that far away.

You are a fucking loony-tune.

It certainly takes one to know one. :rolleyes:

I can only hope that you and Dhrama get a room and make wild and passionate love to each other... till you both are physically and mentally exhausted (it should not take long... neither of you have much "stamina" on either count)

Please save your homo-erotic fantasies for your boyfriend. There are children present.


These "I hate Bush" threads are getting on my nerves.

So don't read them. Then we won't have to read your useless, idiotic whining.



BTW, if you were one of the "wonderfully enlightened" protesters that spit at our boys returning from the service (either now or during the Vietnam conflict)... I would like to personally invite you to a "welcome home party" at my house.

That never happened. That is just another one of those stupid urban legends, like area 51. The idea that there are people spitting on our troops now is absurd and ridiculous.

Also, from your last line, I cannot tell if you are threatening him or offering to join in spitting on the troops.

:thumbs:
db

That never happened. That is just another one of those stupid urban legends, ...

A lot you fuckin know. I experienced that and more to the delight of anti-war protesters after both my second and third tours in Vietnam.

:stfu

A lot you fuckin know. I experienced that and more to the delight of anti-war protesters after both my second and third tours in Vietnam.


Sure it did, es... sure it did. :rolleyes:
All right before you had that big misunderstanding with the authorities that led you to have a stand off with them in the woods...

:stfu

Sure it did, es... sure it did. :rolleyes:
All right before you had that big misunderstanding with the authorities that led you to have a stand off with them in the woods...

Dbum, you're nothing but a cowardly cretin shouting at the screen in front of you. I know what happened to me - I was there, I experienced it. You were probably still sucking your momma's tit when Vietnam ended. And just a little bit of info for you - I've never been arrested, never been in handcuffs, never apprehended for anything in my entire life - other than a couple of speeding tickets, the last nearly 20 years ago. Stop with the baseless claims - of things you know nothing about.

:upyours:

:stfu

Es/Rambo,

You are the least funny joke I have ever seen.

Go bloviate at someone who gives a shit what fantasies and delusions you are peddling today.

:stfu

es347fan,


I remember Vietnam like it was yesterday. Weekly we would get reports of hundreds more killed. McNamara would give us totals on the numbers of enemy dead (made up some times) to make us think we were "winning." Then comes along Dickface Nixon who ran on his "secret plan" to end the Vietnam war. I cast my first vote for the asshole then, and never again voted for another Republican. Yes, I remember Vietnam. Being in college at the time a good friend of mine had a lottery number of #2. He was gone the next semester and to this day I do not know what he died for. It was a tragic time, and I thought we had learned from our mistakes. That was long before George Bush ever entered the White House. Obviously we have learned nothing: we had no business in Vietnam, and none whatsoever in Iraq. Thousands died for arrogant presidents out of control. Now, not only do we have an arrogant president, we have a fascist president...and our democracy is on the critical list, if it isn't already dead.

Dharma - I have never claimed to be Rambo - I'm not a war hero, just somebody who spent a lot of time in a combat zone with a job to do. Keep your petty insults and apply them to yourself. Do keep paying your taxes, however - working stiffs like you keep my pension check coming month after month, as they have ever since I was 37 and retired from active duty. Bitch all you want, I collect the checks that you donate to.

By the way ... :stfu ... nobody really wants to read what you have to say.

Dharma using the ol defense mechanism...

once the writing is on the wall that you are wrong.. make fun of the other person's sense of humor... nice going.

I don't agree with dharma a lot, but that doesn't account for the reason he annoys me. Anyone who is constantly trying to push an agenda down others throats annoys me... reguardless of the side. However, this site seems to be bursting with liberal computer-homers who surf the net for article after article from bias sites and plastering them on thread after thread and not even having an original, unique thought.. like Mr. Shaman and truthout. They, in my eyes, are the bottom feeders.. then you have dharma who at least debates and has thoughts... but often uses cop outs and defense mechanisms to deny being wrong on a point attempted to be made. And then there is that "redwhiteandblue" idiot who lumps all the liberals into a bunch and calls them all pussies.. he's a bottom feeder... well, enough about me judging everyone... I'll get off my soap box and say that opinions are like assholes..everyone has one.

Dharma - I have never claimed to be Rambo

You claimed you got "spat on when you came back from Nam" just like John Rambo did in the movie "First Blood". :rolleyes:

Clearly, you have seen that movie too many times.

You know, Dharma, you really are an obnoxious asshole. A veteran tells you he was spit on and you call him a liar. You then go on to make false accusations about him and the legal authorities and call him Rambo.

I used to have a small bit of respect for you but even that small bit is gone. You are one worthless piece of shit. I hope that one day you meet es347fan in real life and tell him he is a liar to his face.

Honestly, I feel compelled to chime in here. Dharma, you don't think that you might have gone a little too far here?

Honestly, I feel compelled to chime in here. Dharma, you don't think that you might have gone a little too far here?

No, not when dealing with Es. This is the same EXACT kind of treatment I get from him all the time.
He can dish it out but he clearly cannot take it.

Also, I seriously do not buy the urban legend about people "spitting" on troops. I actually researched that for a paper in college and I could not find a single credible story about that actually happening to anyone.

So you're calling es347fan a liar. If it comes to believing him or believing you, he wins hands down. I would believe Freethinker before I would believe you.

I guess it's DTA here... Don't Trust Anybody

You’re one strange critter, dbum. Don’t like to believe what’s being written? Can’t comprehend that your fellow Americans can act like complete and total scumbags and that one you have a passing acquaintance with through an Internet connection was a recipient of that behavior at some point in time? Unable to wrap your head around the idea that fellow war protestors – a general group of folks that you share an ideation with acted in such a manner that in their defense you must accuse that acquaintance of impersonating an actor in some film that makes Vietnam veterans appear as battle fatigue victims incapable of returning to civilian life? Just want to write things off as urban legends because it doesn’t fit your image of how things should be?
My parents got phone calls in the middle of the night, several different times from someone claiming to be from the military & being “sorry to inform them” that I’d gone missing or had been killed. Imagine the fun that caused the first time it happened. My mother bought a ‘police’ whistle and kept it near the phone after that.
Yes, I was spit on, while walking through major U.S. airports on two different occasions, for what I felt was no reason at all. I’d done nothing, had been in conversations with no-one. All I was doing was moving from one gate to another, just like everyone else. I’ve been called baby-killer as well, again by individuals I didn’t know at all.
These things do happen to real people.

Now, having said all that, I'm done with you.

Yes, I was spit on, while walking through major U.S. airports on two different occasions, for what I felt was no reason at all.

I agree entirely. There was and is NO reason for anyone to spit on a soldier.

And like dharma, it is almost beyond belief to me that anyone in this country would truly go so far as to spit on someone else.

But...... if you say it happened, then I believe you, and I feel very bad for you that you had to endure such unwarranted abuse.

We all know spitting on soldiers is the true form of patriotism.

Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce. Are you implying the Democrats have a monopoly on this kind of behavior? Or just that you couldn't be bothered to read all the points before you C/P'd them?

The 10 steps for fascist governments:

Invoking an external and internal threat
Establishing secret prisons
Developing a paramilitary force
Surveiling ordinary citizens
Infiltrating citizens' groups
Arbitrarily detaining and releasing citizens
Targeting key individuals
Restricting the press
Casting criticism as "espionage" and dissent as "treason"
Subverting the rule of law

How many of these steps have we seen in the fascist Bush regime?

Dbum, you're nothing but a cowardly cretin shouting at the screen in front of you. I know what happened to me - I was there, I experienced it. You seem to be confusing your personal experiences in and after Vietnam and the larger issue of whether or not the war was justified. Obviously there is never justification for spitting on soldiers. But are you actually saying that war wasn't a mistake??? Even McNamara says it was. And he was the dirtbag who sent you over there.

and Colin Powell resigned from the Bush regime when he realized he was lied to in developing his report to the United Nations. When he left the Bush regime there were no credible persons left. Gen Powell knew attacking Iraq was a terrible mistake...

Are you implying the Democrats have a monopoly on this kind of behavior? Or just that you couldn't be bothered to read all the points before you C/P'd them?

And the Dem's are considered the "family values" party?

Actually I read them AND comprehended what they said.

You seem to be confusing your personal experiences in and after Vietnam and the larger issue of whether or not the war was justified. Obviously there is never justification for spitting on soldiers. But are you actually saying that war wasn't a mistake??? Even McNamara says it was. And he was the dirtbag who sent you over there.

No, I'm not confusing anything here. Have I said the war wasn't a mistake? Seems to me I was asked how it might have been won, and how I felt about members of the Vietnamese gov't visiting the White House.

When I was 18 and first sent to Vietnam, my issues were not if the war was justified or not, nor had those changed significantly nearly 3 years later when I left there. My issues were much more basic. I had more immediate concerns facing me rather than the luxury of sitting back in the U.S. & playing armchair quarterback over what should be or not be taking place.
Thirty plus years of living since that time has provided clarity on the years we spent involved in Vietnam.
I do not find solace in the realization that so many died unnecessarily in a conflict that acomplished nothing but death and destruction on both the Americans who served and the Vietnamese who had to remain.
Something that hasn't changed is my intolerance for anyone denigrating those who served during that time. We were called to duty, served our country in the manner we had been brought up to do and came back home.

The 10 steps for fascist governments:

Invoking an external and internal threat
Establishing secret prisons
Developing a paramilitary force
Surveiling ordinary citizens
Infiltrating citizens' groups
Arbitrarily detaining and releasing citizens
Targeting key individuals
Restricting the press
Casting criticism as "espionage" and dissent as "treason"
Subverting the rule of law

How many of these steps have we seen in the fascist Bush regime?

All 10.

You’re one strange critter, dbum. Don’t like to believe what’s being written?

No, I certainly don't believe everything I read...especially when you wrote it.
Frankly, based upon my experiences with you on here and your displays of... "personality"...*cough*... if you were ever spit on, I find it more likely those people simply knew you personally.

:thumbs:
db

That basically THE Best CaT Fights exist herein,especially when
folk can't believe what another believes.
All sounds rather childish to me.
What is so allfire difficult to comprehend when a story is
written that sounds too good to be true or conversely.
Most Anti-Bushism's are basically in that category.
Just a lotta of Bush Lied and Men died hyperbole.
Congress had almost THE same Pre-invasion INTEL as Bush.
One could make the argument Bush never Lies a whit during
his Presidency.Which would be an historical First.
And given that Clinton did basically nuthin Butt Lie and
hoodwink and gloat and screw-off.

And the Dem's are considered the "family values" party?No one from the party of Roger Craig, Newt Gingrich, Mark Foley, John David R. Atchison, Donald Fleischman, Parker J. Bena, Randy Ankeney, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Dan Crane, Bob Packwood, Ed Schrock, etc etc etc has the right to wag their finger to anyone on the subject of family values.

No, I certainly don't believe everything I read...especially when you wrote it.
Frankly, based upon my experiences with you on here and your displays of... "personality"...*cough*... if you were ever spit on, I find it more likely those people simply knew you personally.

:thumbs:
db

because of course dharma is certainly one to talk about "displays of personality"...

:rolleyes:

You definitely are not a solid rock of respectable ideals dharm... I know you're finding out about 1 year too late.. but I have a hunch most people agree.

Something that hasn't changed is my intolerance for anyone denigrating those who served during that time.Agreed. But has anyone in this thread denigrated those who served in either Vietnam or Iraq? And that does not give a free pass to the bonehead politicians who got us into those quagmires.

No one from the party of Roger Craig, Newt Gingrich, Mark Foley, John David R. Atchison, Donald Fleischman, Parker J. Bena, Randy Ankeney, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Dan Crane, Bob Packwood, Ed Schrock, etc etc etc has the right to wag their finger to anyone on the subject of family values.
I don't think either party has the the right to wag a finger.

see:

Bill Clinton,Wilbur Mills,Wayne Hays,John Young,Alan Howe,Fred Richmond,Gerry Studds,Brock Adams,Jim Bates,Gus Savage,Barney Frank,Charles Robb,Daniel Inouye,Mel Reynolds,Gary Condit,Paul Patton,Bob Wise,Jim McGreevey,Neil Goldschmidt,Mike Lowry,William Jefferson, etc.

If we live in such a fascist, military dominated, nazi-like country.. then why is everyone flocking to come here, and why aren't all of you "AMERICA IS FASCIST" people leaving? Not that you have to leave.. but if it's as bad as you say it is, then why are you here?

All I know is that big brother ain't anywhere to be found around here, as much as you want him to be.

I don't think either party has the the right to wag a finger.

see:

Bill Clinton,Wilbur Mills,Wayne Hays,John Young,Alan Howe,Fred Richmond,Gerry Studds,Brock Adams,Jim Bates,Gus Savage,Barney Frank,Charles Robb,Daniel Inouye,Mel Reynolds,Gary Condit,Paul Patton,Bob Wise,Jim McGreevey,Neil Goldschmidt,Mike Lowry,William Jefferson, etc.
Exactly. All politicians are scumbags - neither "party" has a lock on debauchery. That said, I'll go with the party that actually preaches family values - not with one that doesn't. When a Republican pulls shit, then they're called out on their hypocrisy, and rightfully so. When a Democrat pulls shit, it's par for the course.

All I know is that big brother ain't anywhere to be found around here, as much as you want him to be.Are you sure about that?

I'd be very surprised if BB didn't keep an eye on places like allForums.

I'd be very surprised if BB didn't keep an eye on places like allForums.
I would be too, especially considering the words we use. Bells and red lights are goin' off somewhere, I tell ya...:)

OTOH, does that really bother you?

OTOH, does that really bother you?Not really. I don't think a reasonable expectation of privacy extends to an internet message board. And if we ever reach the point where posting opinions in public leads to actual repercussions (government harassment, IRS audits, arrests, detentions and so forth) we are pretty much sunk as a nation anyway.

Are you sure about that?

I'd be very surprised if BB didn't keep an eye on places like allForums.

If that was true FT would be sitting in a dark cell somewhere in southeastern europe

check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f-MznG6ilw

Just a reminder truthout about Frontline re: Cheney. May be continued tonight

For three decades Vice President Dick Cheney conducted a secretive, behind-closed-doors campaign to give the president virtually unlimited wartime power. Finally, in the aftermath of 9/11, the Justice Department and the White House made a number of controversial legal decisions. Orchestrated by Cheney and his lawyer David Addington, the department interpreted executive power in an expansive and extraordinary way, granting President George W. Bush the power to detain, interrogate, torture, wiretap and spy -- without congressional approval or judicial review. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/cheney/

Thanks sassy. I'm recording Countdown on MSNBC now and will go to record PBS Frontline. There's so much to watch and no time to do it, it seems! Seems we ought to be busy impeaching Dickless Cheney first.... but Congress isn't doing it's job. Shame on Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

Exactly. All politicians are scumbags -

I agree.

...neither "party" has a lock on debauchery.

I agree.


That said, I'll go with the party that actually preaches family values - not with one that doesn't.

That said, i'll go against the Party that preaches endlessly about their supposed goddamned "morality", while in every possible way they demonstrate themselves to be anything but 'moral'.

When a Republican pulls shit, then they're called out on their hypocrisy, and rightfully so. When a Democrat pulls shit, it's par for the course.

You --in the true Bizarro World conservative way-- have it exactly backwards.

The proof of that is seen in the way that one (Republican) politician-- who lied this country into a war-- has suffered ZERO consequences after perpetrating one of the most murderous and despicable acts in U.S. history........

.......while another (Democratic) politician was impeached over a private, consensual act of a personal nature that had caused no negative consequence whatsoever to this nation.

http://images.villagevoice.com/issues/0632/tmw-big.jpg

Are you sure about that?

I'd be very surprised if BB didn't keep an eye on places like allForums.

don't flatter yourself

Thanks sassy. I'm recording Countdown on MSNBC now and will go to record PBS Frontline. There's so much to watch and no time to do it, it seems! Seems we ought to be busy impeaching Dickless Cheney first.... but Congress isn't doing it's job. Shame on Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

Did Countdown bring up blackwater?.
Yeah... I've been disappointed in those 2 for quite awhile - a lot of America is - no guts. They have another chance with the next current request from the chimp for 46 billion.:rolleyes:

I would be too, especially considering the words we use. Bells and red lights are goin' off somewhere, I tell ya...:)

OTOH, does that really bother you?
Ive been considering a holiday in Cuba for awhile.

Maybe I'll pass tho.