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truthout
10-18-2007, 06:55 PM
Check out this video

A Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc

dharmabum
10-18-2007, 09:01 PM
Great post Truth!!!

thanks for posting it!

:thumbs:
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truthout
10-18-2007, 11:21 PM
You are quite welcome.

Here's another, with some humor, (after today we could use some!)

http://www.ericblumrich.com/idiot.html

dharmabum
10-19-2007, 08:30 AM
That really is such a catchy song.

truthout
10-20-2007, 12:40 AM
Yes it is ... I find myself singing it ... over and over again...

Oldtimer
10-20-2007, 02:04 AM
I listened to the whole speech. Interesting, what you would expect from her. I tried to make notes as I listened. Sometimes she was hard to hear and she also wandered a lot, so I may have missed some of her points.

Basically she likened the present US Administration to the early days of historical dictators, such as Hitler and Mussolini. She maintains that all dictators follow a similar blueprint and she sees the same blueprint being followed by President Bush.
The blue print has 10 basic steps. I confess i could not determine what the later steps were since she ran them together so quickly I couldn't type fast enough.

1. Establish a threat to excite the populace. US faked docs to justify Iraq.

2. Establish secret prisons & torture. so that it is possible to imprison journalists, opposition leaders as enemy combatants on say so of President alone.

3. Create a para-military force, such as the Blackshirts and Brownshirts, to intimidate the populace. Blackwater is THE para-military force in the US, aided by the Security personnel at airports. The President can also declare a National Emergency and federalize National Guards.

4. Maintain surveillance and keep records on the opposition. A new enemy was needed after Cold War so Government decided the US public was the enemy. (She complains she is on the Homeland security list, also emphasizes other harmless people are on list) War industries were changed to security industry.

5. Use Police and Intelligence officers to Infiltrate groups.

6. Restrict the Press. (Dan Rather ousted because of White House pressure). Animal life activists can be called terrorists under new law. . Espionage Act used to imprison anyone the President doesn't like.

7. Declare Martial Law. Fire US Attorneys, to create unrest and provide excuse.

9. Corrupt Elections

What must we do? The American Freedom Campaign., presently has 5M members, aiming for 20M . Its object is to restore Constitution, for this to happen we need an uprising and impeachment. Public must be patriots and stand up against government.

truthout
10-20-2007, 11:58 AM
If our representatives and Senators were faithful to their oaths of office, all of them would be pressing for passage articles of impeachment of both Bush and Cheney as well as their cronies in the most corrupt, fascist administration we have seen in our life time. Worse even than Richard Nixon.

But they are not being faithful to their oath of office. The goal of this campaign is, first, to get all presidential candidates on record to restore the Constitution. All Democrats, thus far, have signed on to that goal. But the Democrats told us last year - elect us, we will end the war. And Americans are still dying in this useless war. What credibility do they have? No wonder Congress has a lower approval rating than the asshole in chief.

It would seem we need nothing less than a new American Revolution, a second Constitutional Convention to restablish this government and return it to being "of the people, by the people, and for the people." Something radical, something we have never seen, is needed to restore this democracy.

truthout
10-22-2007, 03:35 PM
Here are the basic ten steps...surely you will be able to identify these happening now under the fascist Bush regime.


Invoking an external and internal threat
Establishing secret prisons
Developing a paramilitary force
Surveiling ordinary citizens
Infiltrating citizens' groups
Arbitrarily detaining and releasing citizens
Targeting key individuals
Restricting the press
Casting criticism as "espionage" and dissent as "treason"
Subverting the rule of law

Jester
10-22-2007, 05:29 PM
It would seem we need nothing less than a new American Revolution, a second Constitutional Convention to restablish this government and return it to being "of the people, by the people, and for the people." Something radical, something we have never seen, is needed to restore this democracy.
Lead the way and others will follow. Unless, of course, you're scared.

Foolsworth
10-22-2007, 05:44 PM
[QUOTE=dharmabum]Great post Truth!!!


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Freethinker
10-22-2007, 09:13 PM
Here are the basic ten steps...surely you will be able to identify these happening now under the fascist Bush regime.


Invoking an external and internal threat
Establishing secret prisons
Developing a paramilitary force
Surveiling ordinary citizens
Infiltrating citizens' groups
Arbitrarily detaining and releasing citizens
Targeting key individuals
Restricting the press
Casting criticism as "espionage" and dissent as "treason"
Subverting the rule of law

Excellent point.

Anyone who cannot see that that IS what is happening in G.W. B*sh's Amuuurica has their head deeply buried in the sand.

truthout
10-23-2007, 02:55 PM
Now that Gonzales got forced out Bush wants to nominate an attorney general who will put him (Bush) above the law. Scary...that the "Justice" Department would be used to subvert the rule of law.

Jester
10-23-2007, 04:55 PM
As long as open dissent is allowed, and is as widespread as it is, claims of fascism are nothing more than hyperbole. If certain civil liberties are being undermined then say that; don't exaggerate it to the point of nonsense.

Decka
10-23-2007, 05:22 PM
what a vague and easily-explained list you tout truthout...

as for bringing down our corrupt government... it technically should be allowed if the people want it. The problem is that anyone who tries to stop these congressmen, senators, etc from making the money and shaping policy to make more money will be labeled as a terrorist and killed. I have said all along that it's a bad day when the government and the military are one. That means there has to be a GIGANTIC rising of people to overthrow the secret service men who will stand at the whitehouse with uzi's and mow down "terroist" after "terrorist" who don't want any violence, just a new government.

Truthout is agenda driven though... the list is vague, and it has happened pretty much under EVERY president we have had... was Clinton leading a fascist regime truthout?

dharmabum
10-24-2007, 09:52 AM
As long as open dissent is allowed, and is as widespread as it is, claims of fascism are nothing more than hyperbole. If certain civil liberties are being undermined then say that; don't exaggerate it to the point of nonsense.

You are talking about Totalitarianism. Fascism is the merger of corporate and state power.

If there is such "widespread" dissent, why don't we see more of it in the media? Why is the conservative corporate media not only still in support of the occupation of Iraq but they are also playing along with the administration by beating the drums of war for Iran?

I think it is unwise to wait until after open dissent is completely disallowed, like we saw in Burma, before you even willing to talk about it.

rendova
10-24-2007, 10:30 AM
It would seem we need nothing less than a new American Revolution, a second Constitutional Convention to restablish this government and return it to being "of the people, by the people, and for the people." Something radical, something we have never seen, is needed to restore this democracy.

There is nothing wrong with the constitution we have now. It's a noble document which has protected our freedoms for more than 210 years.

What's needed is for our elected officials to ABIDE by the Constitution.


PS. We really don't need another Revolution unless taxes get so high they become unbearable--as they're well on their way to doing now. In that case, it wouldn't so much be a Revolution, but a Civil War and I doubt anyone would want to go through another one of THOSE.

Decka
10-24-2007, 10:43 AM
state power? LOL.. state's rights don't even exist anymore

rendova
10-24-2007, 10:46 AM
state power? LOL.. state's rights don't even exist anymore

That is sadly true--it could be different if states weren't so dependent on the federal government's many handouts to them.

Decka
10-24-2007, 10:50 AM
That would be one thing I would push for if I ever had the power to do something about it... bring back state's rights. We all differ in what we want.. why not allow states more rights and freedoms so that people can live in the type of society they want to live in...

rendova
10-24-2007, 10:55 AM
I like the idea myself. It's what many of our Founding Fathers had in mind to begin with--NOT a huge, Big Brother, bloated federal government, but instead a LOOSE confederation of individual state governments.

But, until states learn to balance their own budgets and live within their own means, it will never happen, I'm afraid.

sassyrunner
10-24-2007, 11:00 AM
Thanks for this video truth out.

Like she says in the video- when the constitution was being written, these founding fathers knew in their bones how easily tyranny can take over and power can be abused. The problem is, the constitution is being ignored, and this is her warning plus the 10 points.

truthout
10-25-2007, 10:39 PM
sassy you are quite welcome. Every American should see this video.

Even the Germans kept their "Constitution" after Hitler took over, but it was a worthless piece of paper....sorta like ours is becoming.

LiquidFork
10-25-2007, 10:47 PM
whatever are you going to write about after Bush leaves office... lemme guess your a royals fan..