wonderful... simply wonderful...

http://bangornews.com/news/t/news.aspx?articleid=155431&zoneid=586

:rolleyes:

Not exactly the type of news flash one might expect coming out of Maine.

Alarming as the school board approving (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21358971/) this proposal may seem to some, the reality is that some do engage in sexual intercourse during their pre-teen years. Our children are maturing physically at an earlier age and are probably more sophisticated in many ways than most of us reading this were at those same ages.

Beats the hell out of 13 year olds having children.

The scary thing is they can decide whether to tell the parents or not. If someone is handing out the pill to my 13 year old daughter I better damn well know about it. There has to be some constituional protection against the government giving your kids pedicine or medical procedures without your knowledge. If there isnt there should be.

The scary thing is they can decide whether to tell the parents or not. If someone is handing out the pill to my 13 year old daughter I better damn well know about it. There has to be some constituional protection against the government giving your kids pedicine or medical procedures without your knowledge. If there isnt there should be.
Damn right.

Beats the hell out of 13 year olds having children.Also damn right.

I don't know about in Maine,but here at both my daughters school's they are not allowed to dispense any form of medicine to a student without parental consent. If one of my daughters has even so much as a headache,I have to bring the medicine to the school and give it to them myself. If it's a prescribed medicine that has to be taken everyday at a certain time,you have to have a written note from the doctor,a copy of the prescription and various forms filled out,signed and on file with the school office.

I am with Trav on this,I had damn well better be the first person to know if the school is making plans to hand out birth control to my 12 year old.

I don't know about in Maine,but here at both my daughters school's they are not allowed to dispense any form of medicine to a student without parental consent. If one of my daughters has even so much as a headache,I have to bring the medicine to the school and give it to them myself. If it's a prescribed medicine that has to be taken everyday at a certain time,you have to have a written note from the doctor,a copy of the prescription and various forms filled out,signed and on file with the school office.

I am with Trav on this,I had damn well better be the first person to know if the school is making plans to hand out birth control to my 12 year old.

There is an option to sign a waver that allows the school to dispense asprin and Tums, and if you sign it they tack on the Pill and abortions to that list of things they can do without the parents consent. You are wise to not sign it and do what you do, just go yourelf and give them the asprin.

There is an option to sign a waver that allows the school to dispense asprin and Tums, and if you sign it they tack on the Pill and abortions to that list of things they can do without the parents consent. You are wise to not sign it and do what you do, just go yourelf and give them the asprin.


I never did sign those things. My girls don't get aspirin to begin with and that's all the school's have. If a headache bothers them that much,I can take the 5 minutes to go to their school and give them a couple Jr Motrin

The only reason kids are becoming more sexually active at an earlier age is because of TV and pop culture...

I think MTV should have to pay child support...

plus the fact we as a society have resigned ourselves to the "they are going to do it anyway" routine and we hand em condoms instead of advice not to be stupid.

and lets not forget the fact alot of parents just don't care what their kids do cause they are scared of them.

plus the fact we as a society have resigned ourselves to the "they are going to do it anyway" routine and we hand em condoms instead of advice not to be stupid.
We can't give kids condoms AND advice not to be stupid? If your child is going to have sex, you pretty much cannot stop them. What are you going to do, keep them locked in their room 24 hours a day until they're 18? And then what happens when they go out into the world on their own and don't know anything about sex except "don't do it"?

Dark... that's like handing a crazed madman a gun and saying "don't kill anyone with it"...

You're better off not giving them the gun

I just don't get why some people think humans don't have this thing called "self-control"...

If a parent doesn't condone the behavior, then they shouldn't give the kids a means to do it... even if it is safer. Then its on the kid... if he goes out of his way to get condoms, or just barebacks it... he can get caught. Then he has to deal with mom and pop, or a mistake, for the rest of his life.

I don't understand why some people think that you can't explain things to kids while not condoning those things. What is wrong with saying "If you do it, use a condom."?

no one is saying theres nothing wrong with that DF. To me the problem is really within the school going behind the parent's backs and handing these out. Parent's have to sign a form to allow their child to take part in a sexual education class,why do they not have to sign a form for this too?

plus the fact we as a society have resigned ourselves to the "they are going to do it anyway" routine and we hand em condoms instead of advice not to be stupid.

Because teenagers always listen to what their parents tell them!

may as well give a kid the keys to your car and say "don't drive it, but if you do wear your seat belt."

saying "if you do it" pretty much shoots down any notion of self control and obedience the child might have had.

If your coach comes in the huddle, you're down by 1 point, and you have the ball with 5 seconds left.. and the coach says "If we lose.. we still played a good game"... that sends the wrong message. The coach will say "here is the play, let's make this shot!"... positive thinking. If you doubt your child's ability, he's probably not going to do as well.

It really comes down to the government raising your kids for you. I don't want that. Just because some other jackass can't raise his kid or doesn't want to means my right to bring my kid up the way I want to is taken from me?

no one is saying theres nothing wrong with that DF. To me the problem is really within the school going behind the parent's backs and handing these out. Parent's have to sign a form to allow their child to take part in a sexual education class,why do they not have to sign a form for this too?
I completely agree with you. I think we all agree that the school has no right to hand out condoms without the parents permission. That's not what I was talking about.

saying "if you do it" pretty much shoots down any notion of self control and obedience the child might have had.

If your coach comes in the huddle, you're down by 1 point, and you have the ball with 5 seconds left.. and the coach says "If we lose.. we still played a good game"... that sends the wrong message. The coach will say "here is the play, let's make this shot!"... positive thinking. If you doubt your child's ability, he's probably not going to do as well.
Well that's a nice optimistic attitude, Decka, but the reality doesn't support it. Most teenagers who make virginity pledges break them within 3 years. Four out of every ten teenage girls will become pregnant before age 20. Kids will still have sex, even if they're told not to over and over.

It really comes down to the government raising your kids for you. I don't want that. Just because some other jackass can't raise his kid or doesn't want to means my right to bring my kid up the way I want to is taken from me?
Again, I agree with this. I don't think schools should hand out condoms or birth control, especially not without parental permission. I just think that parents should take the responsibility in teaching their kids the realities about sex, like the teen pregnancy rate, how effective condoms and birth control are, etc.

Well that's a nice optimistic attitude, Decka, but the reality doesn't support it. Most teenagers who make virginity pledges break them within 3 years. Four out of every ten teenage girls will become pregnant before age 20. Kids will still have sex, even if they're told not to over and over.

And people WILL keep on speeding.. even if they are told not to over and over... we might as well just not let cars go over 35 mph in a 35mph zone...

And people WILL keep on speeding.. even if they are told not to over and over... we might as well just not let cars go over 35 mph in a 35mph zone...
That's why it's legal to go up to 39. ;)

It's not really a valid comparison. I didn't say that you shouldn't punish your kids for having sex if you told them not to. I just said that kids should know that condoms/birth control make sex safer (notice I didn't say completely safe). It's like telling people to wear a seatbelt, and saying that if they're speeding a seat belt makes them less likely to die. That doesn't sound like encouraging speeding to me.

That's why it's legal to go up to 39. ;)
It's like telling people to wear a seatbelt, and saying that if they're speeding a seat belt makes them less likely to die. That doesn't sound like encouraging speeding to me.

Don't take that as gospel, DF, I know of at least one town where they'll write a speeding ticket for 1 mph over the limit. (Nolanville, TX - it's near Fort Hood) Even when folks went through there doing a tad less than the posted limit (then, 55 mph) with cruise control on, they were stopped and written up.
On Interstates, (except in Ohio, I found out) 7 mph over the limit is generally tolerated.

Dark... that's like handing a crazed madman a gun and saying "don't kill anyone with it"...

You're better off not giving them the gunBad anaolgy, Decka, since when it comes to sex, they already have the gun and you can't take it away.

If a parent doesn't condone the behavior, then they shouldn't give the kids a means to do it... even if it is safer. The already have the means. It's built into them!

If a parent doesn't condone the behavior, then they shouldn't give the kids a means to do it... even if it is safer. Then its on the kid... if he goes out of his way to get condoms, or just barebacks it... he can get caught. Then he has to deal with mom and pop, or a mistake, for the rest of his life.

You almost had it there Deck......... PARENTS... If the parent is doing the job from day one... we dont have to worry about little susie comming home 13 and pregnant,and even if she does slip through the cracks..... she will have the right head on her shoulders to do it smart even though she is not doing the smart thing.

Bad analogy, Decka ...Decka is the master of bad analogies.

He can, without effort, make them up on the spot -- which is exactly why they are always so bad.

Bad anaolgy, Decka, since when it comes to sex, they already have the gun and you can't take it away.

The already have the means. It's built into them!

Well said. I've never understood the, "if you give them condoms, they'll want to have sex" argument. They already want to have sex. The only thing condoms will do is prevent unwanted teenage pregnancy. Hard to see the downside.

Decka is the master of bad analogies.

He can, without effort, make them up on the spot -- which is exactly why they are always so bad.
I still have a tough time with analogies. Many times I'll want to make one, but can't think of a good one.

It really comes down to the government raising your kids for you. I don't want that. Just because some other jackass can't raise his kid or doesn't want to means my right to bring my kid up the way I want to is taken from me?I agree with your desire, 100%, but don't think this is the intent or result of the program under discussion.