Too bad they didn't have a taser:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/10/12/bootcamp.death.ap/index.html

Boot camp for kds,is wrong for a start.
Some kids are BAD yes,but they need to be treated as bad kids,or they grow up into bad adults,this old notion of 'knocking them into shape',I disagree with,most kids who get into trouble here,come from very poor parenting backgrounds.

In this case,there was total failure in protecting this kids health and safety.

Ive seen on American TV shows here,were parents go on talking about their troubleome kids,crying they cant cope and all the rest,with the kids sitting there smirking,being big and bad,
next thing the tv host brings on some retired Marine Corp Sergeant barking out orders into the kids faces,the whole thing is fucking nuts.

Boot camp for kds,is wrong for a start.
Some kids are BAD yes,but they need to be treated as bad kids,or they grow up into bad adults,this old notion of 'knocking them into shape',I disagree with,most kids who get into trouble here,come from very poor parenting backgrounds.

In this case,there was total failure in protecting this kids health and safety.

Ive seen on American TV shows here,were parents go on talking about their troubleome kids,crying they cant cope and all the rest,with the kids sitting there smirking,being big and bad,
next thing the tv host brings on some retired Marine Corp Sergeant barking out orders into the kids faces,the whole thing is fucking nuts.

I'm not a big fan of "boot camps" either, but what would you suggest to keep kids from committing crimes?

Well education work a little,plus good parenting,kids need to learn at a young age,right from wrong.
If they offend they do need to be incarcerated in cases,here they are put in whats called 'training school'.

Were they do their schooling,some sport,consulling,and hopefully come out better people.

I'm not a big fan of "boot camps" either, but what would you suggest to keep kids from committing crimes?
How 'bout we stick with the justice system?

The justice system? Yeah, "juvie hall" does a lot of good. So do the alternative schools. Group homes for kids taken from their homes by the family courts are another fine place for kids to learn proper social skills.

I imagine that there is no perfect solution,but kids getting beaten or in some places banged,is just not on.

It's kind of crazy how the mother would have been charged if she had been videotaped beating and kicking the kid, and it lived, but it's okay for authorities to beat and kick him to death.

It's kind of crazy how the mother would have been charged if she had been videotaped beating and kicking the kid, and it lived, but it's okay for authorities to beat and kick him to death.

Remember now, they're trained professionals.

Remember now, they're trained professionals.
Yeah, trained to keep the cameras away while they're manhandling people.

Too bad they didn't have a taser:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/10/12/bootcamp.death.ap/index.htmlYeah, think how creative those thugs could have been then! I bet this kid won't do wrong no more, huh? They sure fixed him proper.

"I am truly, truly sorry this happened. Myself, I love kids," said Dickens, 60. He added that Anderson "wasn't beaten. Those techniques were taught to us and used for a purpose."

Yeah, think how creative those thugs could have been then! I bet this kid won't do wrong no more, huh? They sure fixed him proper.
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Bet he'd be alive tho. But that's what happens when you have to substitute brute force for a taser, isn't it? You see, cops don't have the ability to tell who has sickle cell anemia and whatnot before they confront them.

How 'bout we stick with the justice system?

Umm, but boot camps are a part of your "justice system."

Bet he'd be alive tho. But that's what happens when you have to substitute brute force for a taser, isn't it? You see, cops don't have the ability to tell who has sickle cell anemia and whatnot before they confront them.When someone is kicking the shit out of a kid, Leper, they have gone beyond any concern for some abstact distinction re control v "brute force." The taser would have been just another toy in their tool kit. (BTW, people die from tasers, too, you know.)

Umm, but boot camps are a part of your "justice system."
Mrh?

I imagine that there is no perfect solution,but kids getting beaten or in some places banged,is just not on.

I was sent to boot camp my freshman year after I got in trouble with the law/expelled. It was a hell of an experience and I am glad I went through it. Not all camps are the same as mine. The one I went to would not let the kids out until they advanced to a certain rank, and we gained ranks by showing certain skills and qualities. For example if you pushed the other students with a positive attitude to finish a hard portion of a hike they would see that as cooperation - taking charge in setting up / taking down camp was seen as leadership. The one's that you hear all the horrible things about are for kids who have failed in the first boot camps. The ones that don't put any effort into going through the system.

The purpose of those camps is to break down the defiance of those kids so that they will actually cooperate. I can see the need for it even if it is harsh.

This on the other hand is not the type of useful treatment I was referring to though.

I think this type of punishment can do one of two things to the young person involved.
1-Give the young person a 'short sharp shock',so that when they get out,they never want to go 'inside' again.

2-Thi system can make a young person more criminalised,ie,introduce them to a prison system that they become part of,becoming habitual re offenders.

I think this type of punishment can do one of two things to the young person involved.
1-Give the young person a 'short sharp shock',so that when they get out,they never want to go 'inside' again.

2-Thi system can make a young person more criminalised,ie,introduce them to a prison system that they become part of,becoming habitual re offenders.Statistically #2 seems to be more likely, huh?