I understand that even until quite recently, women looking for a partner would consider strength, fitness and health as important factors. This, I suppose was to increase the likelihood of having healthy children. With advances in medicine and general social conditions, traits such as senses of humour and intelligence were becoming more important. However, I read an opinion poll in the paper the other day that the most important single factor that women looked for was how much money the man earns. Some saying that they looked for a partner who earns £50k others putting the acceptable salary as £100k. While I'm alright (yes I'm one of those deplorable, fat-cat City bankers that everyone hates), what has the world come to? Do you agree that so much emphasis should be placed on money and will be marrying someone for this reason really mean that you'll be happy?

They want big dik, I can arrange this for you if you want. They also like rich man, I can do this for you too. send me pm

Speak for yourself Nappy....not for me....k?

I honestly don't think money should come into play. Yes, it's nice to have and it's nice to not have to worry about how you're going to "afford" to go out for that nice dinner or concert or whatever, but, I think, more importantly, is how well the two people get along. How well do they communicate with each other, do they make each other laugh, do they have common interests. I do not think money is going to make a relationship. It might make you happy for a while but it won't keep that fire burning forever.

Speak for yourself Nappy....not for me....k?

I honestly don't think money should come into play. Yes, it's nice to have and it's nice to not have to worry about how you're going to "afford" to go out for that nice dinner or concert or whatever, but, I think, more importantly, is how well the two people get along. How well do they communicate with each other, do they make each other laugh, do they have common interests. I do not think money is going to make a relationship. It might make you happy for a while but it won't keep that fire burning forever.


very well said Ty:thumbs:

For those women that openly admit that all they look for is "Size" and the money first,they give those of us who don't put those first a bad name.
I did that ONCE and the guy turned out to be the biggest jerk I have ever met in my life. We went out on 1,yes ONE,date and the rest of the time it was just about the sex. He said all the right things and in turn hurt me and had one of his friends break up with me for him.
When I finally decided to start dating again,I was careful and it paid off for me. I got the greatest guy on earth and theres nothing,no amount of money on earth that could make me give him up.

Haha, you girls are funny. I was spoofing a spammer/con artist. I get emails like that all the time.

They want big dik, I can arrange this for you if you want. They also like rich man, I can do this for you too. send me pm

You left out the other thing, Nap. They also look for this man with a short life span. lol

I can arrange that too!

Lol!!

I can arrange that too!


You can? hmmmmm...maybe you and I need to talk :lolhit:

I understand that even until quite recently, women looking for a partner would consider strength, fitness and health as important factors. This, I suppose was to increase the likelihood of having healthy children. With advances in medicine and general social conditions, traits such as senses of humour and intelligence were becoming more important. However, I read an opinion poll in the paper the other day that the most important single factor that women looked for was how much money the man earns. Some saying that they looked for a partner who earns £50k others putting the acceptable salary as £100k. While I'm alright (yes I'm one of those deplorable, fat-cat City bankers that everyone hates), what has the world come to? Do you agree that so much emphasis should be placed on money and will be marrying someone for this reason really mean that you'll be happy?
Thanks

very well said Ty:thumbs:

For those women that openly admit that all they look for is "Size" and the money first,they give those of us who don't put those first a bad name.
I did that ONCE and the guy turned out to be the biggest jerk I have ever met in my life. We went out on 1,yes ONE,date and the rest of the time it was just about the sex. He said all the right things and in turn hurt me and had one of his friends break up with me for him.
When I finally decided to start dating again,I was careful and it paid off for me. I got the greatest guy on earth and theres nothing,no amount of money on earth that could make me give him up.

But the funny thing is - secretly you still have a thing for that jerk.

But the funny thing is - secretly you still have a thing for that jerk.


Not even likely
Has anyone told you Drew that the great guy I mentioned is mikezila?

Not even likely
Has anyone told you Drew that the great guy I mentioned is mikezila?

Mikey is a great guy Michelle.....so you better take care of him or the SMW "gang" will hunt you down :lolhit:

((((M&M))))
;)

Mikey is a great guy Michelle.....so you better take care of him or the SMW "gang" will hunt you down :lolhit:

((((M&M))))
;)


no problems there Ty:thumbs:

no problems there Ty:thumbs:

Didn't figure there would be :lolhit:

:p

he'd spank me before you guys could get here :lolhit:

yeah....but you'd love that, huh?

In for a relationships subforum...

Not even likely
Has anyone told you Drew that the great guy I mentioned is mikezila?

How many people on this board know each other personally??? I've noticed that several people on here refer to people as ex's, etc. Do you all live in the same city and then got together and started All Forums?

How many people on this board know each other personally??? I've noticed that several people on here refer to people as ex's, etc. Do you all live in the same city and then got together and started All Forums?


Hey sassy....several of us that migrated over from the Yahoo boards know each other personally...have met in person, etc. Most of us have not though, we've just been "friends" for several years. Mikey and Michelle live fairly close to each other, so they've met. I've also met several of our online friends and will be meeting some more this weekend in Vegas ;)

Hey sassy....several of us that migrated over from the Yahoo boards know each other personally...have met in person, etc. Most of us have not though, we've just been "friends" for several years. Mikey and Michelle live fairly close to each other, so they've met. I've also met several of our online friends and will be meeting some more this weekend in Vegas ;)


Okay Tyler thanks. Stay safe

Hey sassy....several of us that migrated over from the Yahoo boards know each other personally...have met in person, etc. Most of us have not though, we've just been "friends" for several years. Mikey and Michelle live fairly close to each other, so they've met. I've also met several of our online friends and will be meeting some more this weekend in Vegas ;)

There ya Goad readin the Fortune Cookie from Lunch,Agin.
Weren't you tole about doin dat.

yeah....but you'd love that, huh?


well,duh:p


sassyrunner,Mike is the only one I have ever met from here. But we met and were dating long before I joined AllForums

well,duh:p


sassyrunner,Mike is the only one I have ever met from here. But we met and were dating long before I joined AllForums

Oh really?, looks like you got a winner there, (saw your pictures) I love rock climbing too - you ever go with him? - Mine is not on this board but he is a former Marine, tough as nails.

How many people on this board know each other personally??? I've noticed that several people on here refer to people as ex's, etc. Do you all live in the same city and then got together and started All Forums?
I think the proper term for some of us would be "Invaded"

There ya Goad readin the Fortune Cookie from Lunch,Agin.
Weren't you tole about doin dat.
Hush Foolie. Youre going to Vegas too

Oh really?, looks like you got a winner there, (saw your pictures) I love rock climbing too - you ever go with him? - Mine is not on this board but he is a former Marine, tough as nails.


you've got mine and shortstuff's Mike's mixed up:lolhit:

mine is mikezila on here. I don't think shorty's Mike is a member here.

Not even likely


sure ;)

sure ;)

what do you mean by that Drew?

you've got mine and shortstuff's Mike's mixed up:lolhit:

mine is mikezila on here. I don't think shorty's Mike is a member here.


Ooops- your right - it was shorty - lol

you've got mine and shortstuff's Mike's mixed up:lolhit:

mine is mikezila on here. I don't think shorty's Mike is a member here.
yeah my mike is not on this forum with me..
We have a few forums we are on together and we have met also.
For me I have not met any of the Allforum people who I call friends
But one day I will have dragged mike and myself to meet them all..
There are a few that are very special to me so a trip to Ireland and one to Somewhere north of Baja Mexifornia even Toronto and maybe just maybe Atlanta. Even when we don't all see eye to eye there is a part of this that we still hold dear.
You have seen pictures of both me and my mike...he is my fiancée.
This is a great group of people, OK some or real assholes but you just ignore them and the Rats go away or so I am told..

What makes a partner:
Well for me it is some one to respect and respects me..loves to share not control. listens when we need them to. Wants to be a partner not a boss. Can admit when they are wrong and you can give that all back to them.
Loving and caring with all your heart and soul. knowing that it is not a cake walk and it takes work and energy. Never taking each other for granted.

The thing I look for most in a man is how attentive they are. Men should listen and be interested when we talk because there's nothing more insulting than being ignored. It is nice to be surprised as well - by doing something different or doing nice thoughtful things (such as a nice little bill in your underwear draw or something).

Money isn't everything. I have known men who i initially didn't fancy but then did after getting to know them - so personality does count, I think. Some women feel the need for possessions more than men so look for men with money-maybe, maybe they are insecure - they will never be truly happy as possessions can't offer companionship.

Really, David?

It is nice to be surprised as well - by doing something different or doing nice thoughtful things (such as a nice little bill in your underwear draw or something).

Money isn't everything. I have known men who i initially didn't fancy but then did after getting to know them - so personality does count, I think. Some women feel the need for possessions more than men so look for men with money-maybe, maybe they are insecure - they will never be truly happy as possessions can't offer companionship.

What a load of crock...I would be insulted if my guy did any of your suggestions. I am not a paid companion or trick but his partner.

A guy always pays, that much is certain. If he's lucky, it's only with money.

A guy always pays, that much is certain. If he's lucky, it's only with money.

O spare me.:rolleyes:

The thing I look for most in a man is how attentive they are. Men should listen and be interested when we talk because there's nothing more insulting than being ignored. It is nice to be surprised as well - by doing something different or doing nice thoughtful things (such as a nice little bill in your underwear draw or something).

Money isn't everything. I have known men who i initially didn't fancy but then did after getting to know them - so personality does count, I think. Some women feel the need for possessions more than men so look for men with money-maybe, maybe they are insecure - they will never be truly happy as possessions can't offer companionship.


I thought "davidlee" was a male......are you gay? Nothin wrong with that but it does put a new perspective on things.:lolhit:

A guy always pays, that much is certain. If he's lucky, it's only with money.
That is not true. We blokes don't always pay. My girlfriend and myself have a pretty good relationship that way, it is give and take. We share equally. I just had her move in with me. I didn't ask her for anything but she insisted on sharing the bills. I respect that in a women.
When I dated shortstuff, she owned her own place and was very pig headed on the independence thing. That sheila made it hard for a man to spoil her. Rare maybe but was hard never the less.
I gave her flowers a few times and she insisted on cooking me dinner. It was nice.
What I am saying is not all sheila's are blood sucking leeches. There are some and quite a few that aren't like that.
Sorry dude if you seem to hit more then your fair share.

A guy always pays, that much is certain. If he's lucky, it's only with money.

What a load of bull shit. I call BULL SHIT. If you are the only one paying you are doing something wrong.......very wrong.
So jaded "If he's lucky it's only with MONEY"...Wtf
Do you not think women are invested and loose too. I have more reasons to hate men then trust them but you keep trying. One day you hit pay dirt with a man/women that can treat you right. Not everyone is out for themselves.

What a load of bull shit. I call BULL SHIT. If you are the only one paying you are doing something wrong.......very wrong.
So jaded "If he's lucky it's only with MONEY"...Wtf

You obviously havent been through a divorce
It's really depressing to watch everything you've built, and the other half hasnt contributed, get split in half. If you're lucky.

Two words, pre nup. No one should ever get married without one.

edit. O yeah, if you buy houses,boats, cars, etc, or have stocks, bonds or cd's, put them in your name alone.

You obviously havent been through a divorce
It's really depressing to watch everything you've built, and the other half hasnt contributed, get split in half. If you're lucky.


Yeah.....IF you're lucky!!!

[QUOTE=shortstuff]yeah my mike is not on this forum with me..
We have a few forums we are on together and we have met also.
For me I have not met any of the Allforum people who I call friends
But one day I will have dragged mike and myself to meet them all..
There are a few that are very special to me so a trip to Ireland and one to Somewhere north of Baja Mexifornia even Toronto and maybe just maybe Atlanta. Even when we don't all see eye to eye there is a part of this that we still hold dear.
You have seen pictures of both me and my mike...he is my fiancée.
This is a great group of people, OK some or real assholes but you just ignore them and the Rats go away or so I am told..

{QUOTE]

I have been to the pacific of Mexico - not to Baja though, would love too. It is great to travel to meet friends, and yeah, even though you may disagree sometimes, you still have and show respect.

Actually, don't think rats go away - they have to be exterminated.:thumbs:

Some women feel the need for possessions more than men so look for men with money-maybe, maybe they are insecure - they will never be truly happy as possessions can't offer companionship.
That's so if everything else turns to shit they aren't living in a hovel.
I wouldn't touch a male low wage earner with a barge pole. He sure as shit had better have "things". I earned my own and am not about to support some free loading fool. If at 50 he doesn't have shit, he is not worth shit. The rest is romantic notions that won't hold together for five minutes once you hit the bumps. Reality!

That is not true. We blokes don't always pay. My girlfriend and myself have a pretty good relationship that way, it is give and take. We share equally. I just had her move in with me. I didn't ask her for anything but she insisted on sharing the bills. I respect that in a women.
When I dated shortstuff, she owned her own place and was very pig headed on the independence thing. That sheila made it hard for a man to spoil her. Rare maybe but was hard never the less.
I gave her flowers a few times and she insisted on cooking me dinner. It was nice.
What I am saying is not all sheila's are blood sucking leeches. There are some and quite a few that aren't like that.
Sorry dude if you seem to hit more then your fair share.

What a load of bull shit. I call BULL SHIT. If you are the only one paying you are doing something wrong.......very wrong.
So jaded "If he's lucky it's only with MONEY"...Wtf
Do you not think women are invested and loose too. I have more reasons to hate men then trust them but you keep trying. One day you hit pay dirt with a man/women that can treat you right. Not everyone is out for themselves.
Both of you are Canadian. I probably should have specified, but that would have killed the brevity of the statement. I know so many decent, honest, good-looking guys that are absolutely frustrated with women it's insane. Yet most people I meet from out of the country (except Ethiopians) have happy, adjusted relationships. American women are mostly foolish, selfish, spoiled rotten, and have ridiculous expectations. It's all that feminism, it fucks up their heads.

I'm not interested in a relationship or marriage. I don't need the drama. All I want is a nice, fun, attractive girlfriend that I can just chill and be myself with. I'm looking, but I'm not holding my breath. Those three qualities together are damn near impossible to find in women, and if you do find them, they're already married, or in love.

Both of you are Canadian. I probably should have specified, but that would have killed the brevity of the statement. I know so many decent, honest, good-looking guys that are absolutely frustrated with women it's insane. Yet most people I meet from out of the country (except Ethiopians) have happy, adjusted relationships. American women are mostly foolish, selfish, spoiled rotten, and have ridiculous expectations. It's all that feminism, it fucks up their heads.

I'm not interested in a relationship or marriage. I don't need the drama. All I want is a nice, fun, attractive girlfriend that I can just chill and be myself with. I'm looking, but I'm not holding my breath. Those three qualities together are damn near impossible to find in women, and if you do find them, they're already married, or in love.

OK So you are saying it is American women that drive you crazy..
hehehe OK
Well then kick the US and come visit Canada and check out some of the sites here. hehe
Funny thing is I have been told that about American gals. Not so sure why they feel a need to be that way.
I feel less is more. When you try to hard it gets broken really fast. Lies catch you really fast and so if you want it to work you have to keep it real at all times.

I'm not interested in a relationship or marriage. I don't need the drama. All I want is a nice, fun, attractive girlfriend that I can just chill and be myself with. I'm looking, but I'm not holding my breath. Those three qualities together are damn near impossible to find in women, and if you do find them, they're already married, or in love.

It is not just women. I had the same problem in my youth. I would begin to date. Tell them I was NOT interested in kids OR marriage. The guy would swear he was not either.

My first rude awakening was with a guy I really, really had fun with. He had a great house on a large amount of land, full of cats, and fish and two wonderful cars. Things were oh so wonderful with us till I took him to meet my mum.

There we were in the park, sitting on the swings overlooking the river and what does he do? He begins to talk about how this small town would be an awesome place to raise our children. This setting on the river would be an amazing backdrop for our wedding. I began to cry. He thought I was excited for the coming events. I was crying because I knew my wonderful, fun, exciting relationship had just ended. Two weeks later... I packed his stuff and we were done.

My guy right now knows not to push. He promised he wouldn't nine years ago. That's why it works. Keep looking. She's out there.

What a creep. How long had you known him before he pulled his little U-turn?

Honestly, though, I can't bring myself to care as much for women who can't find the relationship they want. They, quite frankly, don't have to invest as much in finding suitable companionship as men do. Any reasonably attractive woman has lots of guys approaching them. All they have to do is pick and choose. Men are ridiculously easy to order around, and any woman worth her salt can have exactly the sort of relationship she wants, with little to no complaint from the man, unless she gets unreasonably demanding. (cutting him off from his friends, being unreasonably bitchy, trying to change who he is as a person) I don't have a lick of sympathy for women who complain about the lack of good men. Good men are everywhere.

Funny thing is I have been told that about American gals. Not so sure why they feel a need to be that way.
I feel less is more. When you try to hard it gets broken really fast. Lies catch you really fast and so if you want it to work you have to keep it real at all times.

Because they are idiots.

I think one of the biggest areas where they go wrong is that they do try to change each other, who the other one can or can't be friends with, if they can go out with their friends and 'be trusted' and instead of keeping it real~ they put on an act yet do everything they can to manipulate the other one. That's not a relationship and good luck trying to build something worthy on that.
Sure, love is blind, but in time you start to see the other one for what they really are.
Thankfully I only had a few years vested before I seen it for what it was.

My guy right now knows not to push. He promised he wouldn't nine years ago. That's why it works.

Aj was like that, he never pushed me one way or the other. We both put it all out on the table and knew right where we both were and what we were looking for.
*He called me today, btw. He's thought long and hard about things and wants to come back. He's not pushing that issue I told you about, he just misses the hell out of us.*

What a creep. How long had you known him before he pulled his little U-turn?Took him about six months to U-turn. He went back to his old girlfriend and they were married within the year. Funny thing is one of the reasons he had broken off with her to begin with was... yup you guessed it, she was pressuring him to get married.

Honestly, though, I can't bring myself to care as much for women who can't find the relationship they want. They, quite frankly, don't have to invest as much in finding suitable companionship as men do. Any reasonably attractive woman has lots of guys approaching them. All they have to do is pick and choose. Men are ridiculously easy to order around, and any woman worth her salt can have exactly the sort of relationship she wants, with little to no complaint from the man, unless she gets unreasonably demanding. (cutting him off from his friends, being unreasonably bitchy, trying to change who he is as a person) I don't have a lick of sympathy for women who complain about the lack of good men. Good men are everywhere. I don't know if that's true. My guy says he thinks so too. And it may be right because I have always said if we go our separate ways I would want to interview his next girlfriend. Otherwise, he would end up with some bitch who would use him because he is a giver. I'm pretty good at spotting them, he sure as hell isn't. He's hired a few doosies. He's lucky he got me I swear and I'm not kidding.

Aj was like that, he never pushed me one way or the other. We both put it all out on the table and knew right where we both were and what we were looking for.
*He called me today, btw. He's thought long and hard about things and wants to come back. He's not pushing that issue I told you about, he just misses the hell out of us.*
Uh mumma, are the closets fully cleaned out as it sounds like there may be cooooooompany arriving :D What the hell... are you missing the hell out of the two of you as well?

Took him about six months to U-turn. He went back to his old girlfriend and they were married within the year. Funny thing is one of the reasons he had broken off with her to begin with was... yup you guessed it, she was pressuring him to get married.
That's not so bad. People are allowed to change their minds, you know. He probably just got cold feet at the prospect of marriage when she was pressuring him, started seeing you, found out that's what he really wanted, but thought his chances were shot with his former girlfriend, then decided to try warming you up to the idea. I can respect that.

Six months, that's a decent amount of time. If it had been two weeks, I'd say it would be a lot shadier. Honestly, who expects non-serious relationships to last longer than that? What, are you gonna keep a guy hanging for ten, fifteen years? Twenty? Living apart, seeing each other only a few times a week? What kind of life is that? :boggles: I guess you get set in your ways when you get older, my grandma has a boyfriend she's been seeing for some time now, as far as I know they have no plans to get married.

Uh mumma, are the closets fully cleaned out as it sounds like there may be cooooooompany arriving :D What the hell... are you missing the hell out of the two of you as well?

:D Yes they are! and they are looking awful lonely for a REAL man's clothes to be filled with.
I am missing him, can't stop thinking about him since he left. He's calling tomorrow morning, soooo, if I'm not around for a bit, don't worry about me. :thumbs:

what do you mean by that Drew?

Oh nothing.

That's not so bad. People are allowed to change their minds, you know. He probably just got cold feet at the prospect of marriage when she was pressuring him, started seeing you, found out that's what he really wanted, but thought his chances were shot with his former girlfriend, then decided to try warming you up to the idea. I can respect that.

Six months, that's a decent amount of time. If it had been two weeks, I'd say it would be a lot shadier. Honestly, who expects non-serious relationships to last longer than that? What, are you gonna keep a guy hanging for ten, fifteen years? Twenty? Living apart, seeing each other only a few times a week? What kind of life is that? :boggles: I guess you get set in your ways when you get older, my grandma has a boyfriend she's been seeing for some time now, as far as I know they have no plans to get married.
Actually that was the first break up that was as smooth as silk. Started a trend. Never had a bad breakup after that.

I do think older people get set in their ways too. That can be dangerous though because you can start to miss out on things. I think it is cool that your grandma has a boyfriend and knows what she wants.

I understand that even until quite recently, women looking for a partner would consider strength, fitness and health as important factors. This, I suppose was to increase the likelihood of having healthy children. With advances in medicine and general social conditions, traits such as senses of humour and intelligence were becoming more important. However, I read an opinion poll in the paper the other day that the most important single factor that women looked for was how much money the man earns. Some saying that they looked for a partner who earns £50k others putting the acceptable salary as £100k. While I'm alright (yes I'm one of those deplorable, fat-cat City bankers that everyone hates), what has the world come to? Do you agree that so much emphasis should be placed on money and will be marrying someone for this reason really mean that you'll be happy?
My humble opinion is that women generally want a guy who will be caring and nice to them, but who can kick other males' ass (however the girl's measurement on that is: intelligence, look, humor, power...).

My humble opinion is that women generally want a guy who will be caring and nice to them, but who can kick other males' ass (however the girl's measurement on that is: intelligence, look, humor, power...).
Hmm... Most of my boyfriends haven't really been the "ass kicking" type, by ability or by personality. :p
Caring and nice to me? Yeah that's what I look for now but... Most women SAY that's what they look for when they're really searching for assholes who treat them like crap.

For me I find my lady wants to be treated right and loved. She also likes a bit of a take charge kind of bloke. Then other days she is the boss and guys we like it like that. For me this is a very good blend. It really works for her and I.

Thanks for your all replies.

Most women SAY that's what they look for when they're really searching for assholes who treat them like crap.
I think a lot of women just happen to end up with assholes who treat them like crap. I definitely don't think that women secretly search for guys like that.

I think a lot of women just happen to end up with assholes who treat them like crap. I definitely don't think that women secretly search for guys like that.
I agree...yes the bad boy image has that sense of appeal but for the long run and a life partner they will always come in last.
I believe most women want a guy who can be a partner and share equally with them..bad boys are only good to mess around and play with..they are not marriage material.

I think a lot of women just happen to end up with assholes who treat them like crap. I definitely don't think that women secretly search for guys like that.


Thank you Dio!
I definately didn't look for my kids dad to be the complete idiot-jerk-asshole he turned out to be.

I think a lot of women just happen to end up with assholes who treat them like crap. I definitely don't think that women secretly search for guys like that.
I shoulda stuck the word subconsciously in there. They don't actually think to themselves "Hey, that guy's a jerk! He'll treat me so bad, I have to have him!"... It's nothing that we are aware of.

I shoulda stuck the word subconsciously in there. They don't actually think to themselves "Hey, that guy's a jerk! He'll treat me so bad, I have to have him!"... It's nothing that we are aware of.
I know. And that's not what he was asking on the topic. Not what qualities that will get women to have the hots for a guy. A crush, hookup, or a boyfriend that makes you wonder how you got together in the first place. But "prospective partner". :thumbs:

I think a lot of women just happen to end up with assholes who treat them like crap. I definitely don't think that women secretly search for guys like that.
I don't think it's either case. I think women are unconsciously attracted to men who treat them like crap. They know these guys are bad for them, but they can't help but be attracted to them. They might think they can change this guy into someone more marriageable. Then once they start seeing them and the guy starts treating them like crap, they feel it would be their fault if they ended things so soon. Then the guy's behavior gets rewarded instead of discouraged. I definitely don't think it "just happens," though. Treating women like crap is often taught to guys as a way of attracting women, and it wouldn't be taught if it didn't work.

I think women are attracted to men who offer security.

Women are psychologically wired for child rearing. They want a man who can help insure that their children will have the best chance in life. They may want a bit of a fling with the 'bad boy' when younger but when they are beginning to seriously think about settling down they want a solid man, someone who will be there when it comes time to raise a family.

I think women are attracted to men who offer security.

Women are psychologically wired for child rearing. They want a man who can help insure that their children will have the best chance in life. They may want a bit of a fling with the 'bad boy' when younger but when they are beginning to seriously think about settling down they want a solid man, someone who will be there when it comes time to raise a family.

I agree with what you are saying..not sure about the psychological side of it..some women never get that concept or if they do they throw that precious gift away..
Stability is the key and wanting that part in your life works..

I don't think it's either case. I think women are unconsciously attracted to men who treat them like crap. They know these guys are bad for them, but they can't help but be attracted to them. They might think they can change this guy into someone more marriageable. Then once they start seeing them and the guy starts treating them like crap, they feel it would be their fault if they ended things so soon. Then the guy's behavior gets rewarded instead of discouraged. I definitely don't think it "just happens," though. Treating women like crap is often taught to guys as a way of attracting women, and it wouldn't be taught if it didn't work.

It's not women that are attracted to men who treat them like crap. It's people (men and women) who are unconsciously attracted to people who treat them crap. It they are lucky they wake up and find someone who respects them and brings out the best in them. OR they just keep repeating the cycle.

There are an equal number of men out there with ball-breaker women. And whether it be a woman being treated unfairly or a man, it is still abuse.

And yeah, it obviously works because people are not raised with self worth.
Once they develop that, they move on.

It's not women that are attracted to men who treat them like crap. It's people (men and women) who are unconsciously attracted to people who treat them crap. It they are lucky they wake up and find someone who respects them and brings out the best in them. OR they just keep repeating the cycle.

There are an equal number of men out there with ball-breaker women. And whether it be a woman being treated unfairly or a man, it is still abuse.

And yeah, it obviously works because people are not raised with self worth.
Once they develop that, they move on.


Very good point Sal - it definitely works both ways. A problem with self-worth does play into it.