Some groups keep trying to define the problem as one of being mean or unfair to illegal aliens as if ICE was the villain rather than recognizing the fact that these people are here illegally and are breaking our laws by the mere fact of their being here.
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Where was ICE when the vikings landed? Where was ICE when the colonists came here from england? Where was ICE while your grand mother and grandfathers where all coming over here by the tens of thousands via Europe? Where was ICE Then?

You have to realize a large majority of people that are here illegally at least in southeast Texas DID NOT cross the border,,,,the border crossed them....


unless your sitting in an office of a casino or have a a feather in your headband no one here with a straight face can even complain about the desire of people coming into the country...

I always thought it funny that in President Bush's speech on 9/11....I was sitting in a bar watching the news as well as everyone else and he refereed to the US as "a beacon of hope to the world"... I heard two educated and professional Hispanics next to me tell one another "unless your from Mexico".

Dont get me wrong i am appalled that people enter this country illegally on both our borders on a daily basis.. Mexico is a shit hole plain and simple. Only good things to have come out of Mexico are donkey shows and tequila. Who can blame them....

Seems to me the real people complaining are mainly Unions because their 20 dollars an hour 5 weeks vacation a year jobs can be done by someone who just wants to put food on the table... I mean are we really prosecuting these people because they lower their standards in order to survive? They are not going to take your job if they cannot do it better than you,and for the price they will accept... so the country adjusts their whole idealism of what is a pay scale.. i think it will be good. Alot of people are just breezing by making a great living (IE the American dream) If we raise the ante up a little i think it will be good. Maybe we can shed this lazy fat American image the world sees us as

My only issue is they are making money off the books... If they want to do the 20 dollar an hour job for 8 bucks,,, hey no problem... just pay taxes like i do and dont expect this country to cater to you because you are not familiar to the language and customs here... Learn then,and learn them quickly... sink or swim....

All the Irish,Polish,Russian,Slovak ect... that immigrated here hit the ground running and carved lives out for themselves... The opportunity is there if you want to work hard for it....

Nice post LF. I completely agree.

You have to realize a large majority of people that are here illegally at least in southeast Texas DID NOT cross the border,,,,the border crossed them....

Thats the biggest lie I've seen, or heard, associated with this issue. Of the 7 to 12 million people considered in this country illegally, not one of them was alive when our southern border was established. A very few might have been here when Alaska and Hawaii were admitted to statehood, but I doubt anyone was made an "illegal" by those actions.

Where was ICE when the vikings landed? Where was ICE when the colonists came here from england? Where was ICE while your grand
All the Irish,Polish,Russian,Slovak ect... that immigrated here hit the ground running and carved lives out for themselves... The opportunity is there if you want to work hard for it....


I DO agree -

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LF,are you suggesting that people should just 'turn up',and walk on in.

I DO agree -

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I don't believe the Nations that claimed this land then, the English, Spanish, and French, even gave a thought to controling immigration. Hell, there was so much emtpy land they couldn't provide enough people willing to settle it. Then had to forcefully send "settlers", slaves, and indentured servents to do it.
Hell, this country didn't even have immigration laws until 1924. Between 1925 and 1965 immigration into the U.S. averaged 178,000 per year.

Is there any 'empty land' these days.

Isn't the border of southeast TX the Gulf of Mexico?


Thats the biggest lie I've seen, or heard, associated with this issue. Of the 7 to 12 million people considered in this country illegally, not one of them was alive when our southern border was established. A very few might have been here when Alaska and Hawaii were admitted to statehood, but I doubt anyone was made an "illegal" by those actions.

Agreed - it's like the blacks wanting reparations for slavery.

I don't believe the Nations that claimed this land then, the English, Spanish, and French, even gave a thought to controling immigration. Hell, there was so much emtpy land they couldn't provide enough people willing to settle it. Then had to forcefully send "settlers", slaves, and indentured servents to do it.
Hell, this country didn't even have immigration laws until 1924. Between 1925 and 1965 immigration into the U.S. averaged 178,000 per year.


No, but the Indians were concerned with it.

Thats the biggest lie I seen, or heard, associated with this issue. Of the 7 to 12 million people considered in this country illegally, not one of them was alive when our southern border was established. A very few might have been here when Alaska and Hawaii were admitted to statehood, but I doubt anyone was made an "illegal" by those actions.

well thank god i only applied that to my own personal experiences,and observations of the exact area i live in or i might of been accused of generalizing like. I was also talking of family upon family that have roots in these neighborhoods close to me when it was Mexico..

Of course i am not a jackass and believe that these people where around when Santa Anna sold Mexico for a fin. the border crossing them is a figure of speach.... their people have been around for a 300 years in alot of the areas that are considered a "problems"

Is there any 'empty land' these days.


Empty, yes. Whether it's habitable, or not, is the question. Then, even most of that is owned by someone, or protected by the government. I understand there is some good land open for settlement, in Alaska, but living out the winter can be difficult.

well thank god i only applied that to my own personal experiences,and observations of the exact area i live in or i might of been accused of generalizing like. I was also talking of family upon family that have roots in these neighborhoods close to me when it was Mexico..

Of course i am not a jackass and believe that these people where around when Santa Anna sold Mexico for a fin. the border crossing them is a figure of speach.... their people have been around for a 300 years in alot of the areas that are considered a "problems"


In that case you should have just said they were Americans of Hispanic ancestry (or what ever), and not called them illegals.

No, but the Indians were concerned with it.


No we were not. Most of the Native Americans welcomed the Europeans, until they showed themselves to be greedy, lying assholes.
Most of the Native Americans were nomadic, and moved often, only claiming the land they occupied. They were unconcerned about Europeans, considering them to be weak and unsuitable to the work required of "true men", until there were so many, it was impossible to stop them.

Isn't the border of southeast TX the Gulf of Mexico?



Agreed - it's like the blacks wanting reparations for slavery. one border of the region yes..... the other being mexico via Laredo

Empty, yes. Whether it's habitable, or not, is the question. Then, even most of that is owned by someone, or protected by the government. I understand there is some good land open for settlement, in Alaska, but living out the winter can be difficult.Yeah I understand theres no thing such as free land,everyone owns something.
Tho Alaska,what do you mean when you say good land,good for............

Pretty fucken cold tho.

No we were not. Most of the Native Americans welcomed the Europeans, until they showed themselves to be greedy, lying assholes.
Most of the Native Americans were nomadic, and moved often, only claiming the land they occupied. They were unconcerned about Europeans, considering them to be weak and unsuitable to the work required of "true men", until there were so many, it was impossible to stop them.


Well moderate - they WERE concerned, that was my point. I did not say "when". The increasing numbers, infringing on their rights and life styles -
'bout like what's going on now.

No we were not. Most of the Native Americans welcomed the Europeans, until they showed themselves to be greedy, lying assholes.
Most of the Native Americans were nomadic, and moved often, only claiming the land they occupied. They were unconcerned about Europeans, considering them to be weak and unsuitable to the work required of "true men", until there were so many, it was impossible to stop them.[/QUOTE]


[quote=sassyrunner]Well moderate - they WERE concerned, that was my point. I did not say "when". The increasing numbers, infringing on their rights and life styles -
'bout like what's going on now.


So true Sas this is a repeating of a cycle that has gone on over most of the world one time or another.

No we were not. Most of the Native Americans welcomed the Europeans, until they showed themselves to be greedy, lying assholes.
Most of the Native Americans were nomadic, and moved often, only claiming the land they occupied. They were unconcerned about Europeans, considering them to be weak and unsuitable to the work required of "true men", until there were so many, it was impossible to stop them.


Well moderate - they WERE concerned, that was my point. I did not say "when". The increasing numbers, infringing on their rights and life styles -
'bout like what's going on now.


The largest majority never reached the "concerned stage", they went from ignoring, straight to resigned. Just like the majority of Americans of today are doing.
My Grandfather, yes grandfather, fought the American Army, and "white" settlers, but not out of concern. It was a way of life, and a means to obtain things, otherwise unavailable.
I remember listening to stories of the "great battles" fought between 8 to 10 people, over cloth, horses, and basic food stuff. It wasn't until the formation of the reservation, and the encroachment of the railroad, that land became a major issue.

[quote=sassyrunner]


The largest majority never reached the "concerned stage", they went from ignoring, straight to resigned. Just like the majority of Americans of today are doing.
My Grandfather, yes grandfather, fought the American Army, and "white" settlers, but not out of concern. It was a way of life, and a means to obtain things, otherwise unavailable.
I remember listening to stories of the "great battles" fought between 8 to 10 people, over cloth, horses, and basic food stuff. It wasn't until the formation of the reservation, and the encroachment of the railroad, that land became a major issue.

He has an excellent point. Thats why i didnt even dare bring the natives into this.

WTF??

Did all of you get editing lessons from Foolsworth?

WTF??

Did all of you get editing lessons from Foolsworth?

whats that sposed to mean?

Its a dun dealio
dem injuns should steer cleer
of dat nasty fire water

:D

(apologies to Fool, I just couldn't resist)

[QUOTE=sedan]whats that sposed to mean?Nothing.

Haha!

Fuck him. I am not even messing with him tonight. ill let foolsworth get him,since the crack was more ment for him.

What happened, sedan, is that sassyrunner fucked up a quote by inserting bold tags. The end bold tag was placed inside the end quote tag. Then people started quoting her, and it fucked shit all up.

Bitch!
[quote=LiquidFork]Nothing.
STFU
Evil B*sh Cabal
[quote=OldPhart]

:drinktoth

I always thought it funny that in President Bush's speech on 9/11....I was sitting in a bar watching the news as well as everyone else and he refereed to the US as "a beacon of hope to the world"... I heard two educated and professional Hispanics next to me tell one another "unless your from Mexico".

Dont get me wrong i am appalled that people enter this country illegally on both our borders on a daily basis.. Mexico is a shit hole plain and simple. Only good things to have come out of Mexico are donkey shows and tequila. Who can blame them....


Good post, LF. I agree as well... especially with these two paragraphs.

Here's the problem I have with the illegal immigrants issue today. Everybody is so wrapped up in deciding what to do about them, nobody has yet figured out how to even tell who they are! There was a huge news story around here this week about Irving (Dallas suburb) who have started checking citizenship status of people they stop for traffic violations and/or arrested. If found to be here illegally, they're being turned over to the immigration authorities and sent back to Mexico. There was a HUGE uproar about it, with people saying they are illegally targeting hispanics.

Which made me realize that I'd been assuming all this time that if an ILLEGAL did something ILLEGAL, their citizenship would AUTOMATICALLY be checked and dealt with accordingly. Boy was I wrong!

I believe we owe amnesty to LAW-ABIDING people of any country where living conditions are so bad, they flee to America seeking a better life. Either that, or remove the sign from the Statue of Liberty.

But admit I am a little concerned that we're so afraid of stepping on people's toes, we aren't demanding that some sort of program is put in place to at least identify the illegal population. Who knows how they get their 12-14 million illegal aliens count if nobody's allowed to ask???

:confused:
SMW

I too, find it difficult to believe that our government agencies can not identify illegal aliens.

I have a number of property management offices, in three state (CA., AZ., &TX.). During the summer, when rental property turnover is the greatest, those offices, combined, average 100 illegals identified, each month. Thats done by the most rudimentary inspection of rental applications and references. If we could ask about residency status, I'm sure it would double, at least.
At one time we submitted the names and work addresses to ICE, but stopped bothering when nothing was done.

I am really confused...... In Irving Texas,how can these people with a straight face protest about a law where they can check the backround of all people stopped for traffic violations,and if they are illegal they are detained as such...

If I get pulled over for running a red light,you damn right the officer is going to check MY information,and if i have a warrant or are otherwise illegal I WILL GO TO JAIl...

How do these protesters think the should be treated any different. I am a citizen and i am subject to a quick check at a traffic stop? They mean to tell me they should not?

If your wrong whether you have a warrant,no insurance,or even illegal... you should be driving flawlessly anyways...

Your confused. It is illegal to knowingly hire an illegal, but because of the Fair Housing Act, I can not refuse to rent to one, just because he's illegal. What kind of mixed message does that send?

TownHall.com : September 27 , 2007 -- by Amanda Carpenter

Hillary Clinton claims her universal healthcare program will not cover illegal aliens, but the positions of her lead advisor on immigration and recent statements she has made to Spanish-language media outlets indicate otherwise.

The top campaign expert on Hispanic issues for the New York senator running for President has a long history of orchestrating lobbying efforts for taxpayer-funded healthcare, drivers' licenses and free in-state tuition for illegal aliens, as well as bilingual requirements for state agencies.

Raul Yzaguirre, who was president and CEO of the National Council of La Raza from 1974-2004, is now the co-chair of Clinton's presidential campaign and chair of her Hispanic outreach team.

Notably, in his long career for the open borders advocacy group, Yzaguirre was called to testify before Mrs. Clinton's tight-knit 12-member health care task force team in March 1993.

There, Yzaguirre said that universal healthcare "ought to cover the undocumented citizens."

"We need to understand that health is a public health issue and that disease doesn't respect nationalities," he pleaded.

Under the radar of the mainstream U.S. media, the Spanish news agency EFE reported on September 20 that Clinton "alluded to the necessity" of providing emergency treatment to illegal aliens and she supports laws that required medical providers to do so.

The article was titled "Plan medico de Hillary Clinton incluiria a indocumentados" or, in English, "Medical plan of Hillary Clinton would include undocumented people."

According to the article, Clinton told a reporter "plan de salud no incluye a inmigrantes indocumentados en este momento" in a phone interview. In English that quote literally means: "plan of health does not include undocumented immigrants at the moment."

At the first-ever presidential Spanish-language debate on September 10, Clinton promised her audience her healthcare plan "will cover everyone."

"We will make it clear as a rich nation with the values that should be the best in the world and for all make it absolutely positive that everyone will have healthcare," Clinton said. "We're going to make it clear that there will be no parent who ever is told no when it comes to getting healthcare for their children."

The event was hosted by Univision, the largest Spanish language network inside the United States. Candidates were asked questions in Spanish and an English translation was provided through discreet earpieces to the candidates. When the candidates responded, their assigned translators delivered answers in Spanish.

English translations were provided in subtitles and in the subsequent transcripts of the event.

At the debate, held at the University of Miami, Clinton also chastised failed legislative efforts that she said would "criminalize anyone who helped an illegal immigrant, anyone who gave them medial care."

Last Sunday, Clinton blitzed the Sunday morning talk show circuit to promote the universal healthcare plan she unveiled earlier in the week. When she appeared on ABC's "This Week," host George Stephanopoulos asked, "Would illegal immigrants be covered under your plan?"

Clinton told him they "would not be covered, no" but then said she would provide a "safety net" for illegal aliens "for public health reasons."

"But, we did not cover them in ‘93/'94 and my plan does not cover them now," she added.

Careful watchers of Clinton's previous healthcare efforts point out that Clinton also denied her first universal healthcare plan would directly provide care to illegal aliens.

Indirectly, however, her 1993 program would have required employers to pay 80 percent of insurance coverage costs for all employees--illegal and legal workers alike. It also would have dispersed up to $1 billion in federal money to reimburse state governments for funds spent on emergency care for illegal aliens and public health projects.

I am really confused...... In Irving Texas,how can these people with a straight face protest about a law where they can check the backround of all people stopped for traffic violations,and if they are illegal they are detained as such...

If I get pulled over for running a red light,you damn right the officer is going to check MY information,and if i have a warrant or are otherwise illegal I WILL GO TO JAIl...

How do these protesters think the should be treated any different. I am a citizen and i am subject to a quick check at a traffic stop? They mean to tell me they should not?

If your wrong whether you have a warrant,no insurance,or even illegal... you should be driving flawlessly anyways...

I'm confused too, LF. Who would have thought the police verifying citizenship on people stopped for traffic violations would be taboo? I should have known better when my mother's car was hit by a car driven by an illegal alien and the police told us, "Not much we can do... he doesn't have insurance, but he also doesn't have a license. We can give him a ticket, based on what info he gives us, but nothing's to say he'll tell us the truth."

Appalling.

:mad:
SMW

HillaryCare Door Wide Open to Illegal Aliens

I wonder what part of --

""But, we did not cover them in ‘93/'94 and my plan does not cover them (illegal aliens) now," she (Clinton) added.""

---the imbecile who wrote that article cannot understand.

I wonder what part of --

""But, we did not cover them in ‘93/'94 and my plan does not cover them (illegal aliens) now," she (Clinton) added.""

---the imbecile who wrote that article cannot understand.


Probable the "..at the moment", followed by: 'At the first-ever presidential Spanish-language debate on September 10, Clinton promised her audience her healthcare plan "will cover everyone." '

But that just a guess.

When a US politician talks about everyone,they should state if 'everyone' means that,or it means citizens and legals.

Thats a problem our politicians all have, making very broad statements, that are all inclusive. Much like their habit of obfuscation, when ask direct questions.

Your confused. It is illegal to knowingly hire an illegal, but because of the Fair Housing Act, I can not refuse to rent to one, just because he's illegal. What kind of mixed message does that send?
That makes me wanna barf. I'm truly beginning to believe this country is beyond repair. In regards to the illegals (and the special privileges they're given), I feel like I'm listening to Gunnery Sergeant Hartman in Full Metal Jacket when he finds Private Pyle's jelly donut amid his footlocker ( ::his rant ensues:: ) "Private Pyle has dishonored himself and dishonored the platoon. I have tried to help him. But I have failed. I have failed because YOU have not helped me. YOU people have not given Private Pyle the proper motivation! So, from now on, whenever Private Pyle fucks up, I will not punish him! I will punish all of YOU! And the way I see it ladies, you owe me for ONE JELLY DONUT! NOW, GET DOWN ON YOUR FACES!!!"

Open your mouth, Paco - WE'RE PAYIN' FOR IT, YOU EAT IT! (Businesses and people alike are being strung up (like it's OUR fault they're here) and it's beyond sickening to me; which is, mind you, a GREAT tactic for our government to employ in shifting the blame, but I digress)

The only problem is, I can't strap that shithead to his bed and beat him with a bar of soap wrapped in a medium-sized towel.

I see you got caught in your new traffic problems this morning.

I see you got caught in your new traffic problems this morning.
Not really, I just got into a shouting match with some ignorant-assed black man regarding the Jena 6 issue on the bus this morning. The conversation was prefaced by him saying that Michael Vick (we were talking about football first) did nothing wrong but kill a "dumb mutt". The conversation went from that to racism (which it always does with blacks) via the Jena situation because (in his words) the only reason Vick was punished is because white people love dogs more than they do "children" (his words, not mine). I told him that aside from what Vick did being ILLEGAL and INHUMANE, he probably had a pretty good point (oh, and that was dripping with sarcasm so thick, you could cut it with a knife). Open the Jena debate. Needless to say, on top of that moron having a monosyllabic speaking vocabulary, I wrecked his shit.

What were you doing sitting at the back of the bus haha



joke joke joke.

Correction: that fucker was sitting up front. I mean, can you believe the gall? I couldn't rightly ask him to move now, could I? ;)

at least the people on your morning bus ride in your city are not drunk,and can put together a sentence

Sometimes. I just couldn't believe the logical disconnect in which his argument suffered from. Truth be told, I pitied him. And wept for America at the same time.

Not really, I just got into a shouting match with some ignorant-assed black man regarding the Jena 6 issue on the bus this morning. The conversation was prefaced by him saying that Michael Vick (we were talking about football first) did nothing wrong but kill a "dumb mutt". The conversation went from that to racism (which it always does with blacks) via the Jena situation because (in his words) the only reason Vick was punished is because white people love dogs more than they do "children" (his words, not mine). I told him that aside from what Vick did being ILLEGAL and INHUMANE, he probably had a pretty good point (oh, and that was dripping with sarcasm so thick, you could cut it with a knife). Open the Jena debate. Needless to say, on top of that moron having a monosyllabic speaking vocabulary, I wrecked his shit.

Good! It's nice to hear someone who won't bow their heads, tuck their tail in, and run in the other direction at the sound of a black person claiming racism.

Sometimes. I just couldn't believe the logical disconnect in which his argument suffered from. Truth be told, I pitied him. And wept for America at the same time.

Now you know how it feels.

Many of the statements (on matters political) that you (and other rednecks) make on these boards cause me to 'weep for America'.

Now you know how it feels.

Many of the statements (on matters political) that you (and other rednecks) make on these boards cause me to 'weep for America'.


I can't understand what you would be weeping for. The terrain features won't realize it, and you "despise" the American population. Save you tears, you need them after every election.

I can't understand what you would be weeping for....you "despise" the American population.

True.

But only because they are stupidly voting for the type of (conservative) political initiatives and policies that are decidedly against their own best interests.

Save you tears, you need them after every election.

True.

It is sad to see the endless string of Corporate lapdogs that the imbecilic American Public chooses to lead this country.

True.

But only because they are stupidly voting for the type of (conservative) political initiatives and policies that are decidedly against their own best interests.



True.

It is sad to see the endless string of Corporate lapdogs that the imbecilic American Public chooses to lead this country.


So all the bile you display, and all the hate you feel, is because people won't follow your desires. All I can say is: sorry, things won't change anytime soon.

I find it amusing that FT blames the LIBERAL policy on illegal aliens on the conservatives and not the LIBERALS. As a consv, dear, if I had my way, I would choose to have EVERY person in the United States assigned an ID card to be shown on demand everytime someone wanted to rent an apt., rent a car, open a bank account, get a job, etc. And while we're at it, why not get a DNA sample and fingerprints? After all, if you don't have anything to hide, why would anyone mind getting a card to prove it?

I realize my 'dream' won't happen anytime soon in this country.

Why?

Because of the LIBERALS who place the rights of the individual above the well-being of the nation. Like YOU.

Point the finger all you want, FT, but you and those who believe the way you do are more to blame for our LIBERAL immigration policies than the conservatives.

Just like Clarence Thomas said in his new book, he used to be scared of the Ku Klux Klan in this country... but that was until he ran across the LIBERALS wrapped in their sanctimonious robes. Amen to that.

SMW

I find it very amusing that smw feels the need to capitalize every letter of LIBERAL as if she were screaming it like some old lady with tourette's syndrome.

I find it amusing that FT blames the LIBERAL policy on illegal aliens on the conservatives and not the LIBERALS.

"Liberals" have nothing to do with governing the USA.

There are two Parties; the 90% Conservative Party, who continually votes in support of foreign wars and military misadventures, who pushes through things like NAFTA, and who kowtows endlessly to Corporate interests.

That Party is called *the Democrats*.

Then there is the 100% Conservative Party, who votes for policies even MORE destructivve and harmful and against the interest of the People; *the Republicans*.

As a consv, dear, if I had my way, I would choose to have EVERY person in the United States assigned an ID card to be shown on demand everytime someone wanted to rent an apt., rent a car, open a bank account, get a job, etc. And while we're at it, why not get a DNA sample and fingerprints?

Are there conservative citizens who deplore the illegal alien problem and want to see it addressed?

Absolutely!

But the ultra-conservative politicians who run this country do not want to end the illegal aliens coming across the border every day.

I realize my 'dream' won't happen anytime soon in this country.

Why?

Because the country is in the iron grip of people who do not want to end the daily influx of illegal aliens;

Conservative politicians.

Because of the LIBERALS who place the rights of the individual above the well-being of the nation. Like YOU.

Please remeber one thing; I have ZERO polical power in this country.

None. Whatever happens here, whatever political policies are put in place, whatever political initiatives are followed, whatever foreign policy directives are followed, you can never say that *LIBERALS* like me had a hand in it.

Just like Clarence Thomas said in his new book, he used to be scared of the Ku Klux Klan in this country... but that was until he ran across the LIBERALS wrapped in their sanctimonious robes. ------SMW

I have no idea what ""LIBERALS wrapped in their sanctimonious robes" that Uncle Tom jackass could possibly be refering to.

I have no idea what ""LIBERALS wrapped in their sanctimonious robes" that Uncle Tom jackass could possibly be refering to.

Look in the mirror, darlin... and you'll see one of the biggest of them all.

You know, those who complain about how utterly screwed up this country is... all the while enjoying the daily benefits of American life?

I do believe "Uncle Tom" was pointing his finger right at YOU, dear. If the robe fits...

I find it very amusing that smw feels the need to capitalize every letter of LIBERAL as if she were screaming it like some old lady with tourette's syndrome.

I did it to capture the attention of slow learners like YOU, dear. See there, it worked! (And I didn't have to stoop to cheap insults to make my point, now did I?)

;)
SMW

...I didn't have to stoop to cheap insults to make my point, now did I?

Dearie, that is all you ever do.

:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Freethinker
I have no idea what ""LIBERALS wrapped in their sanctimonious robes" that Uncle Tom jackass could possibly be refering to.

Look in the mirror, darlin... and you'll see one of the biggest of them all.

A "big liberal".....??

Absolutely.

A """LIBERAL"wrapped in sanctimonious robes"".........??

No.

I do not wear 'robes', and I have no say so whatsoever about what goes on in this society or this country.

A "LIBERAL" who has the slightest, most infinitessimal effect on or political say so over the life and times of Clarence Thomas or any other conservative citizen??

No.

Simple.Easiest thing on the planet.
Just Mimic what yer heroes { Dimocrats like Reid & Pelosi } Do
and Voila.Instant Cowardice.
Of course there IS a downside.
Even Cowardice has to be explained.
Of course Dimocrats are experts at the very thought of explaining
away,beforehand,what they proffer.That's the Key.
It's like an El Cheapo Used Car salesman.
One knows their gonna be sold some inferior goods.But it's a question
of least harm.What Car isn't as bad as that El Cheapo's threads
or slicked back Hairdo.Sure the Used car lot Salesman,or SalesWoman,
is gonna lie thru their teeth,so often and so foul as to seem like
the entire effort is surreal.
It's Unamerican to just walk away,unchallenging,and give that
slick used car dude a clean Victory.Even if you never intended to
buy a car.The art of american dickering and wheeling & Dealings is
a custom,that must be preserved and even cherished.
But not necessarily cherished.
There's nothing cherishing about a conniving,unethical and unwieldy
approach to salesmanship,especially when the odds are stacked in
favor of someone with a distinct advantage.
I Loathe Used car salespeople.
They Live off the naive consumerism of those truly in need.
Just like a Stinkin,Liberal Dimocrat.
Same doggone thingy.

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/images/CONSERVATIVE_RADIO.jpg

.

Being a stupid Mick Id like to ask a question.
Would cumpolsory carrying of an ID card,or giving of DNA sample be unConstitutional?

Being a stupid Mick Id like to ask a question.
Would cumpolsory carrying of an ID card,or giving of DNA sample be unConstitutional?


The DNA sample, quite possibly.

The ID card, no, some states require that residents have a state issued ID card, or drivers license, with a current address on it. If you move you must renew the card. However a large number of people object to a "National ID", as it is so reminiscent of a police state.

From what Ive read here lately,the cops know who is an illegal at say a car smash for example,but arent enforced to arrest them,so the advantages would be limited surely.

From what Ive read here lately,the cops know who is an illegal at say a car smash for example,but arent enforced to arrest them,so the advantages would be limited surely.


In some places they are forbidden to even ask about the immigration statis, buy the city government. In other place they can only ask after an arrest has been made.

Driving without, a valid, license or without insurance is an arrestable offense. However many police officers do not want to take the time required to make such an arrest.

I have no say so whatsoever about what goes on in this society or this country.
Thank god.

At least your alien leaders taught you be somewhat reasonable before they brought you here.

Dearie, that is all you ever do.

:rolleyes:

TLDR

Many of the statements (on matters political) that you (and other rednecks) make on these boards cause me to 'weep for America'.
"And other rednecks"??? LOL.

You know what I'm gonna get you for Christmas this year, FT: a big wooden cross - so the next time you're feeling unappreciated for all the sacrifices you've made in a country you "hate", you can nail yourself to it. Only then should you be able to feel like you can "weep" for America, you bloviating, sanctimonious fuckhead.

TLDR

TBYTSTR

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DB

I can't understand what you would be weeping for. The terrain features won't realize it, and you "despise" the American population. Save you tears, you need them after every election.


YEAH RIGHT, like after last November's election????!!:lolhit:

YEAH RIGHT, like after last November's election????!!:lolhit:
Good one, especially considering the context of Moderate's post.

YEAH RIGHT, like after last November's election????!!:lolhit:


Sorry Sassy, FT is not happy regardless of who wins. Democrat or Republican, he's an equal opportunity hater. To paraphrase him: In 35+ years he has never seen a politician worth voting for, or supporting.

Sorry Sassy, FT is not happy regardless of who wins. Democrat or Republican, he's an equal opportunity hater. To paraphrase him: In 35+ years he has never seen a politician worth voting for, or supporting.


Really? Never voted for one? No politician is perfect - but I've certainly voted.

Really? Never voted for one? No politician is perfect - but I've certainly voted.


I don't know if he's ever voted, or not. He just said, in another thread, that he has never seen one worth voting for, or supporting.

I believe that he has voted, but maybe it's more of a lesser of two evils thing. He does not really support any mainstream politicians.