MoveOn.org insults one soldier and the Republicans in Congress are tripping over themselves to get legislation out that condemns it. But Rush Limbaugh smears a whole group of soldiers (http://mediamatters.org/items/200709270010) and the conservative corporate media is silent on the subject.

During the September 26 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Rush Limbaugh called service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq “phony soldiers.” He made the comment while discussing with a caller a conversation he had with a previous caller, “Mike from Chicago,” who said he “used to be military,” and “believe[s] that we should pull out of Iraq.” Limbaugh told the second caller, whom he identified as “Mike, this one from Olympia, Washington,” that “[t]here’s a lot” that people who favor U.S. withdrawal “don’t understand” and that when asked why the United States should pull out, their only answer is, ” ‘Well, we just gotta bring the troops home.’ … ‘Save the — keeps the troops safe’ or whatever,” adding, “[I]t’s not possible, intellectually, to follow these people.” “Mike” from Olympia replied, “No, it’s not, and what’s really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.” Limbaugh interjected, “The phony soldiers.” The caller, who had earlier said, “I am a serving American military, in the Army,” agreed, replying, “The phony soldiers.”

In all the years Limbaugh has been a "media personality" I've probably listened to him for a total of 30 minutes - in other words, I'm no fan of his style of 'republicanism'.
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Phony Soldiers (http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/09/rush_limbaughs_phony_soldiers/)

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When you get right down to it, no member of the military wants to be in Iraq or Afganistan. It's no fun (for the most part) being stationed on the other side of the planet, regardless of how much one might believe in the mission and the benefits to the populace there. Sure, there are good things for some while stationed there - restoring water or power to a village, delivering health care, seeing commerce return after chasing the bad guys away - but for most, it just plain sucks. Living conditions for our troops are primitive, the work hard, and there's no shortage of folks shooting at you or otherwise trying to wreck your life.
On any given day some media talking head could stick a microphone into the face of any given soldier and get a mouthful of how rotten it is being there. 8 hours later they just might get a story that's 180 degrees out from that same soldier.

Limbaugh, as usual, gets it right, only in his own mind.

Excellent post, Es.

MoveOn.org insults one soldier and the Republicans in Congress are tripping over themselves to get legislation out that condemns it. But Rush Limbaugh smears a whole group of soldiers (http://mediamatters.org/items/200709270010) and the conservative corporate media is silent on the subject.

dharma.... was that you? caller # 1?

dharma.... was that you? caller # 1?

http://scienceblogs.com/gnxp/upload/2007/06/caveman_1.jpg

... what?!?

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Like es347fan, I am not a Limbaugh fan. I find him to be a rather boring, one trick pony. Perhaps he did call them phony soldiers as opposed to real soldiers. When I was in the service we called National Guard soldiers Weekend Warriors. That didn't mean they didn't bleed the same blood when shot as we RAs did. If he used the term it was unfortunate. They are all real soldiers, those who want to be there and those who don't.

MoveOn.org insults one soldier and the Republicans in Congress are tripping over themselves to get legislation out that condemns it. But Rush Limbaugh smears a whole group of soldiers (http://mediamatters.org/items/200709270010) and the conservative corporate media is silent on the subject.
not that it compares with Murtha's slanders, he didn't call them "less than totally committed to the mission", he called them impersonators. considering your constant claims of knowing someone or something personally of every subject under the sun, it doesn't shock me that you'd be upset that they got called on it too.

Agreed,This is typical Rush,,,, no suprises here......

Agreed,This is typical Rush,,,, no suprises here......

Does the fact it is no surprise make it ok for him to slander the troops?

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not that it compares with Murtha's slanders...

Right, Rush's slander was much worse. Murtha slammed their mission and tactics, Rush slammed them for having and voicing an opinion.

Right, Rush's slander was much worse. Murtha slammed their mission and tactics, Rush slammed them for having and voicing an opinion.


I took it as Rush slaming them for thinking they ARE the opinion

Dharmabum criticizing someone else for calling soldiers phony? Oh the irony.

Anyway, if Limbaugh thinks soldiers who support withdrawal are "phony soldiers" then he's talking about a massive chunk of servicemembers, if not the majority.

Anyway, if Limbaugh thinks soldiers who support withdrawal are "phony soldiers" then he's talking about a massive chunk of servicemembers, if not the majority.


I think there is a huge difference with people wanting a SMART solution for this conflict to end and ultimately bringing our troops home and the type of persona of pulling out at once and letting this situation heal itself.

No sane person in this world should advocate war in general,withdrawl should be the primary concern of all moral people. I believe the problem we have with this,and what Rush was referring to is the fact in order for us to withdraw we kinda need to accomplish what we intended to first.

I believe the problem we have with this,and what Rush was referring to is the fact in order for us to withdraw we kinda need to accomplish what we intended to first.
Perhaps, but still does nothing to excuse his "phony soldiers" claim. A soldier's political views have no bearing whatsoever on his quality as a soldier.

The phrase "... a soldier isn't happy if he's not bitching ... " is ancient.

I agree with Jester: ... A soldier's political views have no bearing whatsoever on his quality as a soldier.

no one ever actually took his comments in the proper context, or even tried to, instead they pulled a dhrama and took the part of his statement that was useful to their argument and used it against him, CLASSIC move of the scum bag left wing. Dhrama used to do that to me all the time and laugh about it.
If you would go back and provide the entire context of the "slander" please, not just the line that advances your agenda to get rush out of radio. the sad thing is 99% of the people who are saying rush slandered the troops dont even listen to Rush, they get their news on what Rush said second hand from anti rush sources and just go with it. If they really wanted to they could dial in and listen for themselves, but they prefer to get the version the helps their cause, even if it is wrong 99% of the time.

Rush was talking about one caller who claimed to be a solder UNLIKE That traitor Jackoff Murtha who called all our solders cold blooded murderers

this is just more thuggery from that sawed off little Butt Pirate George Soros and his lynch gangs of media matters/Daily kooks / and morons.org :upyours:

The Democrat campaign to smear Limbaugh does fool some of the people. Just ask Dharmabum about it. He has swallowed their garbage hook, line and sinker.

this is just more thuggery from that sawed off little Butt Pirate George Soros and his lynch gangs of media matters/Daily kooks / and morons.org :upyours:

Thank you for being you!
You are such a great example of exactly why Republicans are losing support faster than Britney Spears lost her kids.

:thumbs:
DB

Rush was talking about one caller who claimed to be a solder UNLIKE That traitor Jackoff Murtha who called all our solders cold blooded murderers

I have seen few people as divorced from reality as this assclown.

He seems to have both events exactly backwards from what was actually said.

(a) Jack Murtha did not call all the U.S. solders ""cold blooded murderers"".

(note; and I challenge any and all Rightwingers {the imbecile going by the moniker REDWHITEBLUE2 comes to mind} on these boards to provide evidence that Murtha has made such a statement)

(b) Limbaugh did call those soldiers who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq “phony soldiers.”

I have seen few people as divorced from reality as this assclown.

He seems to have both events exactly backwards from what was actually said.

(a) Jack Murtha did not call all the U.S. solders ""cold blooded murderers"".

(note; and I challenge any and all Rightwingers {the imbecile going by the moniker REDWHITEBLUE2 comes to mind} on these boards to provide evidence that Murtha has made such a statement)

(b) Limbaugh did call those soldiers who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq “phony soldiers.”HERE YOU GO FreeStinker http://murthamustgo.blogspot.com/2006/08/haditha-murthas-kangaroo-court.html :upyours: FOOLIO

HERE YOU GO FreeStinker http://murthamustgo.blogspot.com/2006/08/haditha-murthas-kangaroo-court.html :upyours: FOOLIO


Please point out Murtha's words with a direct quote and explain how he was --per your allegation-- including all U.S. soldier's in his remarks.

Thanks.

I have seen few people as divorced from reality as this assclown.


I think he sounds like gmsisko and foolsworth's lovechild.


:)

When good news comes out like a recent success in Iraq
or Today,the Dow finally closes ABOVE 14,ooo {1st day of lat Qtr.}
these pesky little Nazi-Socialist kinda hover round like the gnaty
little Bugs they were bred to become.
And fail to do more than bite and cause inflammation.

dhrama and freethinker talkiing about someone being divorced from reality? now THAT'S funny.

No shit.

ROFL!!!

I love how Trav and Prat say that when they are supporters of people who believe that they can "make their own reality."

:rolleyes:

Jack Murtha did not call all the U.S. solders ""cold blooded murderers"".


You're right, Freethinker. He only implied it.

Rush Limbaugh smeared the troops just like Bush lied to get us into Iraq. Very carefully.

Yeah, right. Limbaugh is known to be historically anti-soldier while the liberal Democrats are known to be pro-soldier. If you get anyone to believe that Nappy perhaps you can also get them to buy a bridge located in King's County, New York.

You're right, Freethinker. He only implied it.
Don't you get it, Frogger? That's FT's whole game in a nutshell. If he didn't say it verbatim, then he couldn't have "iMpLiEd" it. :rolleyes:

Rush Limbaugh smeared the troops just like Bush lied to get us into Iraq. Very carefully.

Well said.

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Everyone's hopefully going to hear about it now. VoteVets.org is placing this an ad over the airwaves.

The ad features Brian McGough, an Iraq war veteran who received the Purple Heart for a traumatic brain injury as a result of shrapnel he took to the head, in Iraq. In the ad, Brian makes it clear: "Rush, the shrapnel I took to my head was real. My traumatic brain injury was real. And, my belief that we are on the wrong course in Iraq is real. Until you have the guts to call me a "phony solider" to my face, stop telling lies about my service."Maybe Rush was able to get away with such smears in the past, but those days are over. No one - especially someone who never had the courage to wear the uniform - is going to pass judgment on us and go unchallenged. He, and others, can expect that VoteVets.org will be right there to represent and defend the voice of America's troops and veterans.

"We're taking this ad to places it counts and going on the offense. It will air tomorrow and Thursday on FOX News and CNN, and a radio version of the ad will air during Rush's show in select markets. Keep an eye out and ear open for it."

Everyone's hopefully going to hear about it now. VoteVets.org is placing this an ad over the airwaves.

The ad features Brian McGough, an Iraq war veteran who received the Purple Heart for a traumatic brain injury as a result of shrapnel he took to the head, in Iraq. In the ad, Brian makes it clear: "Rush, the shrapnel I took to my head was real. My traumatic brain injury was real. And, my belief that we are on the wrong course in Iraq is real. Until you have the guts to call me a "phony solider" to my face, stop telling lies about my service."Maybe Rush was able to get away with such smears in the past, but those days are over. No one - especially someone who never had the courage to wear the uniform - is going to pass judgment on us and go unchallenged. He, and others, can expect that VoteVets.org will be right there to represent and defend the voice of America's troops and veterans.

"We're taking this ad to places it counts and going on the offense. It will air tomorrow and Thursday on FOX News and CNN, and a radio version of the ad will air during Rush's show in select markets. Keep an eye out and ear open for it."

I look forward to seeing it.
Rush's comments obviously offended a lot of soldiers.
This was (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drnQ5Pvc6nE) the first response VoteVets put out to Rush's slurs.

Everyone's hopefully going to hear about it now. VoteVets.org is placing this an ad over the airwaves.

The ad features Brian McGough, an Iraq war veteran who received the Purple Heart for a traumatic brain injury as a result of shrapnel he took to the head, in Iraq. In the ad, Brian makes it clear: "Rush, the shrapnel I took to my head was real. My traumatic brain injury was real. And, my belief that we are on the wrong course in Iraq is real. Until you have the guts to call me a "phony solider" to my face, stop telling lies about my service."Maybe Rush was able to get away with such smears in the past, but those days are over. No one - especially someone who never had the courage to wear the uniform - is going to pass judgment on us and go unchallenged. He, and others, can expect that VoteVets.org will be right there to represent and defend the voice of America's troops and veterans.

"We're taking this ad to places it counts and going on the offense. It will air tomorrow and Thursday on FOX News and CNN, and a radio version of the ad will air during Rush's show in select markets. Keep an eye out and ear open for it."
Good. I wish them luck.

But whatever you do, PLEASE take down your sig pic. Being that 95% of these fora are governed and used by men, (and I think I can speak for...well, most of us anyway) I don't wanna see some shirtless dude who makes YOU wet. Thanks.

Major General (Ret.) John Batiste responds to Rush Limbaugh's smears
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfjW5-KywT4)
:thumbs:
DB

Major General (Ret.) John Batiste responds to Rush Limbaugh's smears
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfjW5-KywT4)
:thumbs:
DB

It's just the beginning - LimPbaugh's going to have more opposition to his ignorant remarks.

Originally Posted by Freethinker
Jack Murtha did not call all the U.S. solders ""cold blooded murderers"".

You're right, Freethinker. He only implied it.

Ok. REDWHITEBLUE2 crawled back into his hole after I bitch slapped him and exposed the fact that he has no evidence for his allegation.

But even if you and REDWHITEBLUE are allowed to retreat to a much safer position, and the claim were to be reduced to one of -- ""Jack Murtha implied that all U.S. soldiers are *cold blooded murderers*"" ...

...I still do not think you can demonstrate where he said OR implied such a thing.

I'd like to see either of you try.

Ok. REDWHITEBLUE2 crawled back into his hole after I bitch slapped him and exposed the fact that he has no evidence for his allegation.

But even if you and REDWHITEBLUE are allowed to retreat to a much safer position, and the claim were to be reduced to one of -- ""Jack Murtha implied that all U.S. soldiers are *cold blooded murderers*"" ...

...I still do not think you can demonstrate where he said OR implied such a thing.

I'd like to see either of you try.
So saying that our soldiers killed "innocent civilians in cold blood" isn't the same as calling them cold-blooded murderers? According to you, the implication isn't even there. Well, everyone...that settles it - let's pack up our shit and go home; we must be fucking crazy. (Well, at least according to someone who believes that Ahmadinejad never said (or implied) that Israel should be wiped off the map.)

What fucking planet are you from?

Play the semantics game somewhere else.

So saying that our soldiers killed "innocent civilians in cold blood" isn't the same as calling them cold-blooded murderers?

Of course it is not the same thing. The former could be accidental but the latter assumes it was on purpose. Saying the latter was "implied" is a big, fat lie.

:rolleyes:

The former could be accidental
Yeah.

Real accidental.

Yeah.

Real accidental.

:rolleyes:
FYI- YOU are now the one calling our soldiers "cold blooded murderers."

Good. I wish them luck.

But whatever you do, PLEASE take down your sig pic. Being that 95% of these fora are governed and used by men,...

No offense Prae, but doesn't that strike you as just a tad chauvinistic? :)


(and I think I can speak for...well, most of us anyway) I don't wanna see some shirtless dude who makes YOU wet. Thanks.

I'm sure you had me in mind when you added the caveat...so...I put in a vote for the shirtless dude. :D

Of course it is not the same thing. The former could be accidental but the latter assumes it was on purpose. Saying the latter was "implied" is a big, fat lie.

:rolleyes:

When was the last time anyone used the phrase "cold blooded" in reference to an accident?

So saying that our soldiers killed "innocent civilians in cold blood" isn't the same as calling them cold-blooded murderers? According to you, the implication isn't even there. .The key word is "all."

Rush Limbaugh smeared the troops just like Bush lied to get us into Iraq. Very carefully.


Warning --- may be hazardous to one's Polemic ---Warning

Are you actually saavy enough to convince some herein that
ALL soldiers are virtually beyond reproach and incapable
of pullin shit.
Hells Belles.Even Priests can Pull shit.
Definately Politicans.
Even Miss perfect Martha Stewart.
Smearing a few " Phony soldiers " who have been exposed as
utter Frauds with the effrontery to Go Public and make Hay
over Warring,is actually a duty of any concerned Citizen.
Limbaugh has Repeatedly demonstrated a high degree of respect
and support for the troops.
This Recent slur of the tongue was exploited by Media Matters as a way
of deflecting from the failed Democrats ability to Stop the War.
They have the power of the purse.
Democrats are sneaky little Liars { basically pledged to have Troops
withdrawn soon in '06 election },and pathetic name-calling
manipulators and HYPOCRITES.

So saying that our soldiers killed "innocent civilians in cold blood" isn't the same as calling them cold-blooded murderers?

Absolutely. 100%.

Saying that our soldiers killed "innocent civilians in cold blood" is the same as calling them cold-blooded murderers.

The point of contention here that you are missing is over the allegation, by redwhiteblue, that Murtha called all U.S. soliders "cold blooded muderers".

He did no such thing, nor did he even vaguely imply that that is the case.

Play the semantics game somewhere else.

It is no "semantics game".

Murtha did indeed say that SOME (a very small group, in fact) soldiers in Iraq were guilty of cold blooded murder.

What he did not say, nor imply, was that all U.S. soldiers are cold blooded killers.

It isn't the same thing, but not for the reason dharma provides. Murder by definition is done outside of a nation's laws. We could call the military cold blooded killers, assuming that the rules of engagement allow for killing in cold blood, but we could not call them cold blooded murderers. Note that even though we could call a war illegal, we still could not call the military murderers. Otherwise we would have to prosecute every single soldier involved for murder. Instead we would hold the ones responsible for war crimes.

The key word is "all."Amazing, isn't it?

You'd think more people would have caught that right away, but no.

Warning --- may be hazardous to one's Polemic ---Warning

Are you actually saavy enough to convince some herein that
ALL soldiers are virtually beyond reproach and incapable
of pullin shit.
Hells Belles.Even Priests can Pull shit.
Definately Politicans.
Even Miss perfect Martha Stewart.
Smearing a few " Phony soldiers " who have been exposed as
utter Frauds with the effrontery to Go Public and make Hay
over Warring,is actually a duty of any concerned Citizen.
Limbaugh has Repeatedly demonstrated a high degree of respect
and support for the troops.
This Recent slur of the tongue was exploited by Media Matters as a way
of deflecting from the failed Democrats ability to Stop the War.
They have the power of the purse.
Democrats are sneaky little Liars { basically pledged to have Troops
withdrawn soon in '06 election },and pathetic name-calling
manipulators and HYPOCRITES.
Limbaugh made a political statement attacking those members of the military who oppose the war. Apparently those troops aren't worthy of the same respect that you say he's demonstrated repeatedly. Of course, those who see Limbaugh for the ratings pandering simpering fuck that he is do not think he's been respectful at all, only paying lip service in a very bottom line-helping way.

When was the last time anyone used the phrase "cold blooded" in reference to an accident?

.

Limbaugh made a political statement attacking those members of the military who oppose the war. Apparently those troops aren't worthy of the same respect that you say he's demonstrated repeatedly. Of course, those who see Limbaugh for the ratings pandering simpering fuck that he is do not think he's been respectful at all, only paying lip service in a very bottom line-helping way.

No,not at all.Limbaugh mentioned who those " phony soldiers " were
by name.He did make a general quick comment in the plural about
" phony Soldier'S " and the Dems seized on it to make Political hay.
They saw an opening to discredit and call Limbaugh's patriotism and
support into question.
It's only gonna snowball and make Anti-war silly Liberals wear
egg on their face till Christmas.

It is no "semantics game".


The devil is in the details...

No,not at all.Limbaugh mentioned who those " phony soldiers " were
by name.He did make a general quick comment in the plural about
" phony Soldier'S " and the Dems seized on it to make Political hay.
They saw an opening to discredit and call Limbaugh's patriotism and
support into question.
It's only gonna snowball and make Anti-war silly Liberals wear
egg on their face till Christmas.
Limbaugh's patriotism and support have always been in question. He should have had his license revoked after he admitted to abusing prescription drugs. That piece of shit will smear anybody he gets his hands on, including the troops, if they don't fall in line with his "principles." They're no principles at all, just a very lucrative, carefully chosen agenda.

.

Well said. ;)

Limbaugh's patriotism and support have always been in question. He should have had his license revoked after he admitted to abusing prescription drugs. That piece of shit will smear anybody he gets his hands on, including the troops, if they don't fall in line with his "principles." They're no principles at all, just a very lucrative, carefully chosen agenda.

Is abuse of prescription drugs...Illegal.?
I guess there a lot of Seniors guilty of that.
Old folk get good drugs,too.

Limbaugh is a Private citizen,NOT a public servant or a member
of Armed Services.
Basically Limbaugh is a Private contractor,who is USED by
Clear Channel for the Air Waves.
I'll need to research.I don't believe he has a direct Boss.
Just an agreement for FCC use of public airwaves and needing
a License holder like Clear Channel for transmission.

Then he should have gotten fired.

Then he should have gotten fired.

Who is responsible for Firing Limbaugh.?
And would it be legal to Fire someone not even charged with a
crime.
The only crime Limabugh MAY have Ben quilty of is
Doctor Shopping.
Which he fought and won,with the aid of crack Kennedy Rape
lawyer...Roy Black.

Then he should have gotten fired.

He should, at the very least, be removed from Armed Forces Radio.

.

He should, at the very least, be removed from Armed Forces Radio.

.

Why...Cuz Clinton Stooge Wesley Clark bar said so.
Clark has been in the pocket of the Clinton's for years.
Even Before Slick Willy saw fit to decorate him a 4 star General
when other Military men,were far more deserving.
And also Because Hillary ADMITTED to Starting - Media Matters -
which she'll have a hard time,denying.
But all the Clinton's DO these days, is Accuse and Deny.

Murtha did indeed say that SOME (a very small group, in fact) soldiers in Iraq were guilty of cold blooded murder.

What he did not say, nor imply, was that all U.S. soldiers are cold blooded killers.
Speaking of semantics....


Since Murtha was incorrect in "convicting without trial" specific soldiers. Do you suppose he's going to recant for calling those particular soldiers "cold blooded murderers"? (since they were acquitted of the charges). I guess he will at least see them in court...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070928/ap_on_go_co/murtha_suit;_ylt=ApwqBIq45HwJOTMpkpvh86SyFz4D

Who is responsible for Firing Limbaugh.?
And would it be legal to Fire someone not even charged with a
crime.
The only crime Limabugh MAY have Ben quilty of is
Doctor Shopping.
Which he fought and won,with the aid of crack Kennedy Rape
lawyer...Roy Black.
Clear Channel, and they can fire him whenever and for whatever they want. God Bless America.

Why...(should Rush be removed from Armed Forces Radio)

Because he is a useless, partisan hatemonger who slandered the armed forces and the insulted freedoms that they sacrifice themselves to protect.

:thumbs:
DB

The only crime Limabugh MAY have Ben quilty of is
Doctor Shopping.
Which he fought and won,with the aid of crack Kennedy Rape
lawyer...Roy Black.The Florida authorities handled the situation fairly, I believe. But one has to wonder what Mr. Limbaugh would have said about it all had the addict been a Democrat, or Phony Soldier... I bet he'd have been all Law & Order then. "They broke the law, these damn drug users!"

Clear Channel, and they can fire him whenever and for whatever they want. God Bless America.

Yer a wee bit confused there,aren't ya Bub.
I guess with Imus gettin axed,you think an Employer has
just cause,for no true reason.Imus was Fired,more for the
Bad Publicity his comments generated,and Advertisers bailing on
his Network,than Al Sharpton.
Sharpton just brought it OUT in the Open.
You honestky Think Limbaugh wouldn't have a Field of
highly first rate lawyers,at the ready,in case he got fired.
Um...does David Limbaugh...ring-a-dinghy.
He's Rush's younger brother and an Attorney.
I believe Limbaugh had a few lawyers in their Family Lineage.
His Pops was a Lawyer and his Uncle a Federal Judgy.
How bout Dem Potatoes.

How bout Dem Potatoes.Isn't Florida a Right to Work state? I wonder how that ties in to the firing question?

The reason he wasn't fired has more to do with money than any kind of legal threats. I don't think any amount of lawyers would have helped Limbaugh's case. Besides, they don't have to fire him, just refuse to renew his contract.

The reason he wasn't fired has more to do with money than any kind of legal threats. I don't think any amount of lawyers would have helped Limbaugh's case. Besides, they don't have to fire him, just refuse to renew his contract.

How the Hell wood you KNOW,thar :
Day Laborer Boy.
Yer out of your element here.
Stick to uncomplicated stuff like clipping and splicing wire and
luggin electric crap out the back yer work vehicle.

Limbaugh is an entertainer and pundit... like Ann Coulter, Bill Maher, Keith Olberman, Sean Hannity, etc. These are not elected officials nor are they government employees. If it is deemed that Limbaugh actually meant his comment about "phony" soldiers, then his base will leave him. They quote was taken out of context and he explained what he meant on the air.

This political bullshit and quote mining is getting retarded. You have private groups attacking Generals and quote mining Pundits... and these are worthy of discussion on the congressional floor? I think that Sean Penn is a fucking idiot... should congress discuss and "vote" on this? We all know that there are no problems that we in America have that warrants their attention... everything is going along swimmingly... that's why Congress' approval rating is so high right now.:rolleyes:

How the Hell wood you KNOW,thar :
Didn't you know? Brendan Frasier look-a-likes know everything.

Didn't you know? Brendan Frasier look-a-likes know everything.

So you prefer chasing ... Mummy...do Yuz.?
I nude it.
There's always One in the crowd.

If it is deemed that Limbaugh actually meant his comment about "phony" soldiers, then his base will leave him.
Bullshit. Limbaugh's base is akin to a flock of sheep. They will believe anything and everything he says. Just like Neal Boortz, just like Michael Moore, just like Ann Coulter, just like Bill O'Reilly. People will have their token complaints, to pay lip service to individualism, but that's as far as it will go.

They quote was taken out of context and he explained what he meant on the air.
No, it wasn't, and no, he didn't. He backpedaled. Huge difference.

Limbaugh is an entertainer and pundit... like Ann Coulter, Bill Maher, Keith Olberman, Sean Hannity, etc. These are not elected officials nor are they government employees. If it is deemed that Limbaugh actually meant his comment about "phony" soldiers, then his base will leave him. They quote was taken out of context and he explained what he meant on the air.

This political bullshit and quote mining is getting retarded. You have private groups attacking Generals and quote mining Pundits... and these are worthy of discussion on the congressional floor? I think that Sean Penn is a fucking idiot... should congress discuss and "vote" on this? We all know that there are no problems that we in America have that warrants their attention... everything is going along swimmingly... that's why Congress' approval rating is so high right now.:rolleyes:

The latest leftist Strategem is that Limbaugh scurried real quick to
EDIT a minute and a half of his actual comments in question.
And the use of " soldiers " in the Plural.
Y'nose the leftist shit is mores Danny boot deep,when they
basically ALL put forth the EXACT same Bullfrogging.

The latest leftist Strategem is that Limbaugh scurried real quick to
EDIT a minute and a half of his actual comments in question.
And the use of " soldiers " in the Plural.
Y'nose the leftist shit is mores Danny boot deep,when they
basically ALL put forth the EXACT same Bullfrogging.Wow! What language is ths?

Bullshit. Limbaugh's base is akin to a flock of sheep. They will believe anything and everything he says. Just like Neal Boortz, just like Michael Moore, just like Ann Coulter, just like Bill O'Reilly. People will have their token complaints, to pay lip service to individualism, but that's as far as it will go.
Then he will keep his base and sponsors, if that is the case.

No, it wasn't, and no, he didn't. He backpedaled. Huge difference.
If he said this, and thought the guy calling is was not a soldier (but a Dem hack who call in to these shows all the time), then it's OK. If he thinks that all soldiers should/do agree with his viewpoint, then he's a damn fool.

It's still not worthy of Congressional debate either way.

It's still not worthy of Congressional debate either way.
True dat.:cool:

Wow! What language is ths?

Never you mind.
Plus,who made you a - senior member -...anywho.?
You ain't been hears long enough to wet a whistle
at a bus stop.

It's still not worthy of Congressional debate either way.


Oh, come on. Congress has to have some meaningless drivel to debate, or pass a non-binding resolution over. Otherwise people might expect them to do some real work. :rolleyes:

Bullshit. Limbaugh's base is akin to a flock of sheep. They will believe anything and everything he says. Just like Neal Boortz, just like Michael Moore, just like Ann Coulter, just like Bill O'Reilly. People will have their token complaints, to pay lip service to individualism, but that's as far as it will go.


No, it wasn't, and no, he didn't. He backpedaled. Huge difference.

I personally think Limbaugh is backpeddlin a wee bit.Hard not to.
But that is THE normal response of most Dimocrats.
So he should have poetic License,there.After all,it's His show.
And His Audience.The soldiers don't belong to him or the public
but to the Government.
The Irony is both dynamic and differential.
It's Entirley Ok and even lauded over by Liberals to Demean,
Decry and make Our President out to be a Louse and a Liar.
When in point of fact,he is no such a thing.
Bush told us what he believed to be fact,and asked Congress for
a vote.He never Groped a single female during the course of his
2 terms.
The New Democrat Party are sheer Liars and Character Assassins.
They Live to demand Their way or the Highway.
They are shameless,intolerant little Stalins.
MoveOn.org and Media Matters are nothing but Aghenda driven
outlets for disinformation and fomenting Hate.
Air America tried it's hand at Cajooling listeners into believing
a steady drumbeat of falsehood,regarding Guilt within the White House
from Cronyism and plotting secret initiatives for dominance.
That happens to be their Agenda.

Never you mind.
Plus,who made you a - senior member -...anywho.?
You ain't been hears long enough to wet a whistle
at a bus stop.I have no idea. I think it has to do with number of posts.

Oh, come on. Congress has to have some meaningless drivel to debate, or pass a non-binding resolution over. Otherwise people might expect them to do some real work. :rolleyes:


Amen!!!! I just want to say i agree than congress no matter who is in control gets little done. The republicans had the presidency and control of congress for sometime and nothing got done,but just before the Dem's took over last they made a huge deal on how things were going to change if they got power,all those righteous speeches after the election and here we are almost a year later and nothing has changed.

As I have said before, we have two parties in Congress:

The "I won't" Party and the "I can't" Party. Every few years they trade places, and excuses. But nothing ever really changes.

The way it went down is this. The caller made a statement to Limbaugh that the media doesn't talk to "real soldiers." The "real soldiers" apparently are the ones who understand the situation in Iraq as being that we cannot pull out, it would take us a year, everything would collapse, that was the context the statement was put in, by the previous conversation. Limbaugh then called these troops, "phony soldiers," the ones that don't agree with the caller's assessment of the war in Iraq. After which the caller said real soldiers want to be in Iraq, they're "proud to serve," and are "willing to sacrifice for their country," making a clear implication that "phony soldiers" do not, and Limbaugh agreed. It's pretty cut and dry, and the attempt by Limbaugh to backpedal as quickly as he can is laughable.

It's still not worthy of Congressional debate either way.
I'm inclined to agree.

MoveOn.org and Media Matters are nothing but Aghenda driven
outlets for disinformation and fomenting Hate.
Let me pose to you a question. What makes you think MoveOn.org and Media Matters are outlets for disinformation and fomenting hate, as opposed to Rush Limbaugh, who has had several controversies regarding the accuracy of his statements, as well as distortions. As for fomenting hate, Rush attacked Michael J Fox as falsely exaggerating the symptoms of his Parkinson's disease, to garner support for stem cell research, in a rather unique manner, by imitating Fox's disease for his webcam viewers. This was highly distasteful and could easily qualify as "fomenting hate."

Media Matters merely monitors and calls out conservative disinformation, their avowed purpose, and MoveOn.org is a political action committee that has yet to gather any significant controversy regarding disinformation, though it could be said that they "foment hate," but that would be disingenuous, as the only thing one could accuse them of that for is running political ads. Media Matters has a significant case for being considered as decreasing disinformation. And there's zero case for them as fomenting hate.

Are we really questioning the possibility of Rush,moveon,or media being unbias?

No, we're not. Where did you read that?

i dont know... LOL... I should go to sleep..

I hate it when people like Dharm and FT mis represent the truth.

Limbaugh was refering to a soldier who was never even enlisted in the millitary. So guess what???????? He was a phony soldier.


Like es347fan, I am not a Limbaugh fan. I find him to be a rather boring, one trick pony. Perhaps he did call them phony soldiers as opposed to real soldiers. When I was in the service we called National Guard soldiers Weekend Warriors. That didn't mean they didn't bleed the same blood when shot as we RAs did. If he used the term it was unfortunate. They are all real soldiers, those who want to be there and those who don't.

I hate it when people like Dharm and FT mis represent the truth.

Limbaugh was refering to a soldier who was never even enlisted in the millitary. So guess what???????? He was a phony soldier.

ITA, gmsisko. Also, the 'soldier' in question was guilty of spewing anti-American rhetoric under the guise of being a REAL soldier. Nevermind that Democrats in general speak out of both sides of their mouths. They sure love it when they think they 'catch' conservatives making verbal faux paux. Too bad they don't pay much attention to what their own candidates actually say.



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[QUOTE=Napsterbater]The way it went down is this. The caller made a statement to Limbaugh that the media doesn't talk to "real soldiers." The "real soldiers" apparently are the ones who understand the situation in Iraq as being that we cannot pull out, it would take us a year, everything would collapse, that was the context the statement was put in, by the previous conversation. Limbaugh then called these troops, "phony soldiers," the ones that don't agree with the caller's assessment of the war in Iraq. After which the caller said real soldiers want to be in Iraq, they're "proud to serve," and are "willing to sacrifice for their country," making a clear implication that "phony soldiers" do not, and Limbaugh agreed. It's pretty cut and dry, and the attempt by Limbaugh to backpedal as quickly as he can is laughable.


Point well taken.Semantically what Limbaugh did was more of
pullin a Freudian slip.He demonstrated a degree of intolerance towards
soldiers who hold strong Anti-war Bias.
But Limbaugh isn't perfect,Like most anyone who talks for a living
he's prone to stepping over the line.And Limbaugh has a Big mouth.
Then again so does David Letterman and the entire dwindling staff
of Soros' - Air America -.With Ed Schlutz leading the pack.
Especially in an All-Volunteer Army,a soldier should not sign the
papers to committ if unwilling the GO where sent.Active duty soldiers
also agree to abide by The Uniform Military Code of Conduct.
Meaning.... No mixing Politics and War.
Yes,A soldier is being a " phony " when they distort their service
record and go Public,making highly suspect comments about war in Iraq.
Limbaugh was commenting on how the Leftist Media has been staging
disgruntled Anti-War servicemen,in order to compliment their
Anti-war Bias.There's a couple " Phony soldiers " that Matthews uses
to drive home how the war was a huge mistake and even soldiers
don't like what Bush has gotten them into.
It's a Liberal leftists trick to ensnare the public by having frustrated
and usually Bogus { Padded service record } Soldiers appear on talking
head shows to speak Negatively about what their Duty requires.
It's not even disingenuous.It's How leftists twist the truth to fit
their own Unpatriotic ability to - Rally Round the Flag -.
Limbaugh propels the Morale of our Troops.
Leftists in the Media,run it into the ground.
Like Rush said yesterday...could someone come forth and kindly explain
just How Reid has Inspired the Troops.
I rest Me Case !

Limbaugh was refering to a soldier who was never even enlisted in the millitary.

Actually that is untrue. He said "soldiers" (plural). He was making a generalization about soldiers who don't agree with the war.

.

I think in the end, only Rush knows for sure what Rush was talking about. Either way though, he's an idiotic douchebag. Even if he was talking about fakers it just means he's operating under the delusion that genuine soldiers and vets haven't spoken out against the war.

Actually that is untrue. He said "soldiers" (plural). He was making a generalization about soldiers who don't agree with the war.

.

Limbaugh was actually refering to the slate of stories coming
out about Soldiers who are impersonating soldiers and outright
falsifying duty service.
Republican Senate Minority leader Mitch McConnell will be on
Cavuto later this afternoon,to unravel some of the Limbaugh flak.
From the republican Leadership perspective.
I'm sure you wouldn't Miss a FOX NEWS opportunity.

Let me pose to you a question. What makes you think MoveOn.org and Media Matters are outlets for disinformation and fomenting hate, as opposed to Rush Limbaugh, who has had several controversies regarding the accuracy of his statements, as well as distortions. As for fomenting hate, Rush attacked Michael J Fox as falsely exaggerating the symptoms of his Parkinson's disease, to garner support for stem cell research, in a rather unique manner, by imitating Fox's disease for his webcam viewers. This was highly distasteful and could easily qualify as "fomenting hate."

Media Matters merely monitors and calls out conservative disinformation, their avowed purpose, and MoveOn.org is a political action committee that has yet to gather any significant controversy regarding disinformation, though it could be said that they "foment hate," but that would be disingenuous, as the only thing one could accuse them of that for is running political ads. Media Matters has a significant case for being considered as decreasing disinformation. And there's zero case for them as fomenting hate.

The answer my friend is Blowing in the Cigar Truth.
MoveOn.org and Media Matters use Outright LIES as a mode
of operational habit.
Limbaugh definately has an Agenda and a strict definitive POV.
But it's based On FACT not Fiction.

No he was making a generalization about soldiers like JM. There is a difference.


Actually that is untrue. He said "soldiers" (plural). He was making a generalization about soldiers who don't agree with the war.

.

Well said


The answer my friend is Blowing in the Cigar Truth.
MoveOn.org and Media Matters use Outright LIES as a mode
of operational habit.
Limbaugh definately has an Agenda and a strict definitive POV.
But it's based On FACT not Fiction.

Agreed. I very rarely listen to Limbaugh. And yes some genuine soldiers have spoken out against the war. (few though)


I think in the end, only Rush knows for sure what Rush was talking about. Either way though, he's an idiotic douchebag. Even if he was talking about fakers it just means he's operating under the delusion that genuine soldiers and vets haven't spoken out against the war.

No he was making a generalization about soldiers like JM. There is a difference.

Actually, he didn't attack John Murtha until a day or two later. He was making a generalization about soldiers who don't support the war.

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