By JM I did not mean John Murtha. I meant Jesse Macbeth.

Do you even know who Jesse Macbeth is?

He was making a generalization about all the soldiers like Jesse Macbeth.

End of story. It's a non story in fact. It's just like many liberals to strech the truth, or just lie to get their point across.


Actually, he didn't attack John Murtha until a day or two later. He was making a generalization about soldiers who don't support the war.

Limbaugh was addicted. He took pain killers because he was in pain. He then got addicted. End of story.


http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/2274/limbaughdrugsjailbi1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Limbaugh was addicted. He took pain killers because he was in pain. He then got addicted. End of story.

The rest of the story: he got them illegally - he violated the law.

"If people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up -- LimPbaugh - 10-5-95

The rest of the story: he got them illegally - he violated the law.
Yes, he did. He acknowledged his addiction publicly, and very tactfully, IMO, and subsequent to his arrest in 2003, he's successfully undergone random drug testing. To this day, he can't own a firearm, and he's been open with anyone who's questioned his position on illegal narcotics. I think his comment (specifically, the one in which you cherry-picked) has been completely taken outta context. Did Rush ever steal from anyone to get his "fix"? Did he ever ruin anyone's life to do so? Did he ever hurt anyone in the process? No. His comments were clearly meant for those who have; think heroin and crack addicts.

Prosecutors agreed to drop the charges levied against him if he paid $30,000 to defray the cost of the investigation. He did. He also completed an eighteen-month therapy regimen with his physician, and hasn't broken any laws since.

I'd say he's done his time and then some.

Prosecutors agreed to drop the charges levied against him if he paid $30,000 to defray the cost of the investigation. He did. He also completed an eighteen-month therapy regimen with his physician, and hasn't broken any laws since.

I wonder if that's the typical treatment one receives in FL for such an offense.


I'd say he's done his time and then some.

If he'd have "done time" I'd agree with you.

I wonder if that's the typical treatment one receives in FL for such an offense.
I wonder if the typical offender is an upstanding member of society who pays an inordinate amount of taxes and has been recognized (on a multitude of occasions, no less) for their lifetime achievements.
If he'd have "done time" I'd agree with you.
Oh, I think he has. See Sassy's "LimPbaugh" picture above.

I wonder if the typical offender is an upstanding member of society who pays an inordinate amount of taxes and has been recognized (on a multitude of occasions, no less) for their lifetime achievements.
This line of justification is offensive.

This line of justification is offensive.
Well, then the whole system needs to be overhauled - because courts (and lawyers alike) have used that line of defense since the dawn of time. Do you really think Limbaugh would be better served sitting behind bars in lieu of making our government and MULITPLE charities money? C'mon. The man's no felon.

It is what it is, Shilo. He fucked up, he turned himself in, and he's paid his debt to society - end of story.

I actually agree with Prae here.

Does that surprise you??? Join the winning team, DF - the water's nice in my pool. :D

Well, then the whole system needs to be overhauled - because courts (and lawyers alike) have used that line of defense since the dawn of time. Do you really think Limbaugh would be better served sitting behind bars in lieu of making our government and MULITPLE charities money? C'mon.

I agree with you that justice wouldn't be better served by putting him behind bars and making the taxpayer feed him. He looks like he eats a lot. ;)

Seriously, it was a first offense, he did plead guilty, so I see little point in incarcerating him. I do hope the judge fined him to the full extent of the law. :)


The man's no felon.

Did his plea include getting his record expunged if he was a good boy?


It is what it is, Shilo. He fucked up, he turned himself in, and he's paid his debt to society - end of story.

On second thought, the judge should have ordered him to do community service...in a methadone clinic. :D

He looks like he eats a lot. ;)
Not any more, er - maybe it was the drugs. :D
I do hope the judge fined him to the full extent of the law. :)
Why? Just because he can pay the fine?
Did his plea include getting his record expunged if he was a good boy?
That's a good question, although I doubt it would do him any good. Judge to Limbaugh: "Say, aren't you the same bloviating rightwing demon who was in here before on a drug charge???"
On second thought, the judge should have ordered him to do community service...in a methadone clinic. :D
That'd be the day - "I'm curing the addicts here with a gift from GOD..." :)

Do you really think Limbaugh would be better served sitting behind bars in lieu of making our government and MULITPLE charities money? C'mon. The man's no felon.I totally support your position that nothing is served by his being locked up. My problem is with the tendency to excuse the conduct that is/was wrong. In this case the "wrongest" part of it all is how Rush is shown to be a fraud, having a standard for himself that is differant from the one he demands of others. No one in the situation he found himself in should be locked up! But he often demands that they are because "they broke the law!"

It is what it is, Shilo. He fucked up, he turned himself in, and he's paid his debt to society - end of story.I'm not sure that any debt need be paid to society in this past matter. But just for drill: how did he pay his debt?

Actually that is untrue. He said "soldiers" (plural). He was making a generalization about soldiers who don't agree with the war.

.

bull shit! Rush limbaugh has never once dengrated the US military, he has done nothing but support them. This pathetic attempt to get a quick kick to the guts of Limbaugh by you and your coward hanlders will only backfire on you in ways that you can not imagine. Plenty of people like my self are pissed the hell off with the sudden concern for the moral of the troops from the same mother fuckers who call them killers! I am sick of the lies and complete bullshit flowing from the democrats and the left! I demand a retraction and an apology for the totally obvious and sloppy attempt to paint the anti war left as somehow the protectors of the moral of the american fighting man from the likes of the evil conservatives who hate them! It is like a twilight zone episode

bull shit! Rush limbaugh has never once dengrated the US military, he has done nothing but support them. This pathetic attempt to get a quick kick to the guts of Limbaugh by you and your coward hanlders will only backfire on you in ways that you can not imagine. Plenty of people like my self are pissed the hell off with the sudden concern for the moral of the troops from the same mother fuckers who call them killers! I am sick of the lies and complete bullshit flowing from the democrats and the left! I demand a retraction and an apology for the totally obvious and sloppy attempt to paint the anti war left as somehow the protectors of the moral of the american fighting man from the likes of the evil conservatives who hate them! It is like a twilight zone episode


"and if the band you're in starts playing a different tune, I'll see you on the dark side of the moon".. Pink Floyd

STFU dumbass. You know sdamn well limbaugh never said what you said he did. Go lesten to the broadcast or read the transcript, stop getting all your information second hand and just asusming it is right simply because you want to believe it. Do some fucking research instead of looking like a jackass.

But just for drill: how did he pay his debt?
Well, first off, he fully reimbursed the government for their "investigation" (and I'm sure the figure he was given was inflated, but aside from that being pure speculation on my part, it's neither here nor there). Secondly, he's undergone counseling, and if I'm not mistaken, he still (to this day) is subject to random drug testing. That aside, he can never own a firearm again (presumably because of his horribly debilitating oxycontin addiction, no less :rolleyes: ).

Oh, but the 'real' punishment lies in having to see a multitude of political hacks misconstrue his comments intentionally, and plaster his picture behind simulated bars on 80% of the internet.

Well, first off, he fully reimbursed the government for their "investigation" (and I'm sure the figure he was given was inflated, but aside from that being pure speculation on my part, it's neither here nor there). Secondly, he's undergone counseling, and if I'm not mistaken, he still (to this day) is subject to random drug testing. That aside, he can never own a firearm again (presumably because of his horribly debilitating oxycontin addiction, no less :rolleyes: ).Seems reasonable.

Oh, but the 'real' punishment lies in having to see a multitude of political hacks misconstrue his comments intentionally, and plaster his picture behind simulated bars on 80% of the internet.Rush is the white Don King. He loves this kind of attention!:cool:

STFU dumbass. You know sdamn well limbaugh never said what you said he did. Go lesten to the broadcast or read the transcript, stop getting all your information second hand and just asusming it is right simply because you want to believe it. Do some fucking research instead of looking like a jackass.
I fucking did it. I listened to the recording and read the transcript. You STFU.

Congratulations. Now maybe ther person I was talking to will respond.

Are you really interested in whether Rush slammed the troops or not, or do you just want to beat up on the weak?

Rush did not slam the troops. he slammed "a" troop, a wash out liar named Jesse Macbeth who couldn't even hack it in basic training who proceeded to lie about his experience in an attempt to gain credibility so he could accuse the military of attrocities.

Hey Dharm, Nap, Ft,

Get out your pens and write this down.


Rush did not slam the troops. he slammed "a" troop, a wash out liar named Jesse Macbeth who couldn't even hack it in basic training who proceeded to lie about his experience in an attempt to gain credibility so he could accuse the military of attrocities.

Hey Dharm, Nap, Ft,

Get out your pens and write this down.OK, I'll ask you again:

Where in the "phony soldiers" conversation does Rush mention Jesse Macbeth?

And why does he say "soldiers" if he's talking about one guy?

I listened to the recording of the broadcast again.... I'm pretty sure he said "foamy soldiers"

:D

Please do. I read the transcript, and listened to the the recording, and not once did Rush mention MacBeth. In fact, I didn't even know who he was until Trav used his name. I had to look him up on Wikipedia. Needless to say, I don't think it's wrong to call that fuckstick the lying sack of shit that he is. I just don't see where Rush did it in the controversial conversation. I'm sure in many other conversations Rush attacked him, maybe even that day. But in that conversation, MacBeth's (and other Shakespearean protagonist's) name was absent.

Rush did not slam the troops. he slammed "a" troop, ...

Yeah, thats why he said "troopS" (plural) :rolleyes:

Face facts, Rush slammed the troops who don't agree with him.

Rush slams everyone who doesn't agree with him. Why should the troops be any different?

And why does he say "soldiers" if he's talking about one guy?


Because his base is too stupid to know better?

;)

for crying out loud, if you actually read the transcript or follow whats going on you would know that he was refrencing Macbeth from a previous conversation. Of course facts mean nothing to you when you see Limbaugh served up on a silver platter for you on some phony charge.

Bull fucking shit. Just because he talked about MacBeth ten minutes before he said this doesn't mean he wasn't slamming every single soldier who criticized the war and wanted to pull out. It's perfectly clear what he meant from the context. The statement the second caller made that Rush agreed to makes it crystal. You're trying to spin what he said, not us.

Here's the transcript, relevant part bolded.

LIMBAUGH: Mike in Chicago, welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.

CALLER 1: Hi Rush, how you doing today?

LIMBAUGH: I'm fine sir, thank you.

CALLER 1: Good. Why is it that you always just accuse the Democrats of being against the war and suggest that there are absolutely no Republicans that could possibly be against the war?

LIMBAUGH: Well, who are these Republicans? I can think of Chuck Hagel, and I can think of Gordon Smith, two Republican senators, but they don't want to lose the war like the Democrats do. I can't think of -- who are the Republicans in the anti-war movement?

CALLER 1: I'm just -- I'm not talking about the senators. I'm talking about the general public -- like you accuse the public of all the Democrats of being, you know, wanting to lose, but --

LIMBAUGH: Oh, come on! Here we go again. I uttered a truth, and you can't handle it, so you gotta call here and change the subject. How come I'm not also hitting Republicans? I don't know a single Republican or conservative, Mike, who wants to pull out of Iraq in defeat. The Democrats have made the last four years about that specifically.

CALLER 1: Well, I am a Republican, and I've listened to you for a long time, and you're right on a lot of things, but I do believe that we should pull out of Iraq. I don't think it's winnable. And I'm not a Democrat, but I just -- sometimes you've got to cut the losses.

LIMBAUGH: Well, you -- you --

CALLER 1: I mean, sometimes you really gotta know when you're wrong.

LIMBAUGH: Well, yeah, you do. I'm not wrong on this. The worst thing that can happen is losing this, flying out of there, waving the white flag. Do you have --

CALLER 1: Oh, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying anything like that, but, you know --

LIMBAUGH: Well, of course you are.

CALLER 1: No, I'm not.

LIMBAUGH: Bill, the truth is -- the truth is the truth, Mike.

CALLER 1: We did what we were supposed to do, OK. We got rid of Saddam Hussein. We got rid of a lot of the terrorists. Let them run their country --

LIMBAUGH: Oh, good lord! Good lord.

[...]

CALLER 1: How long is it gonna -- how long do you think we're going to have to be there for them to take care of that?

LIMBAUGH: Mike --

CALLER 1: How long -- you know -- what is it?

LIMBAUGH: Mike --

CALLER 1: What is it?

LIMBAUGH: Mike, you can't possibly be a Republican.

CALLER 1: I am.

LIMBAUGH: You are -- you are --

CALLER 1: I am definitely a Republican.

LIMBAUGH: You can't be a Republican. You are --

CALLER 1: Oh, I am definitely a Republican.

LIMBAUGH: You are tarnishing the reputation, 'cause you sound just like a Democrat.

CALLER 1: No, but --

LIMBAUGH: The answer to your question --

CALLER 1: -- seriously, how long do we have to stay there --

LIMBAUGH: As long as it takes!

CALLER 1: -- to win it? How long?

LIMBAUGH: As long as it takes! It is very serious.

CALLER 1: And that is what?

LIMBAUGH: This is the United States of America at war with Islamofascists. We stay as long -- just like your job. You do everything you have to do, whatever it takes to get it done, if you take it seriously.

CALLER 1: So then you say we need to stay there forever --

LIMBAUGH: I -- it won't --

CALLER 1: -- because that's what it'll take.

LIMBAUGH: No, Bill, or Mike -- I'm sorry. I'm confusing you with the guy from Texas.

CALLER 1: See, I -- I've used to be military, OK? And I am a Republican.

LIMBAUGH: Yeah. Yeah.

CALLER 1: And I do live [inaudible] but --

LIMBAUGH: Right. Right. Right, I know.

CALLER 1: -- you know, really -- I want you to be saying how long it's gonna take.

LIMBAUGH: And I, by the way, used to walk on the moon!

CALLER 1: How long do we have to stay there?

LIMBAUGH: You're not listening to what I say. You can't possibly be a Republican. I'm answering every question. That's not what you want to hear, so it's not even penetrating your little wall of armor you've got built up.

[...]

LIMBAUGH: Another Mike, this one in Olympia, Washington. Welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.

CALLER 2: Hi Rush, thanks for taking my call.

LIMBAUGH: You bet.

CALLER 2: I have a retort to Mike in Chicago, because I am a serving American military, in the Army. I've been serving for 14 years, very proudly.

LIMBAUGH: Thank you, sir.

CALLER 2: And, you know, I'm one of the few that joined the Army to serve my country, I'm proud to say, not for the money or anything like that. What I would like to retort to is that, if we pull -- what these people don't understand is if we pull out of Iraq right now, which is about impossible because of all the stuff that's over there, it'd take us at least a year to pull everything back out of Iraq, then Iraq itself would collapse, and we'd have to go right back over there within a year or so. And --

LIMBAUGH: There's a lot more than that that they don't understand. They can't even -- if -- the next guy that calls here, I'm gonna ask him: Why should we pull -- what is the imperative for pulling out? What's in it for the United States to pull out? They can't -- I don't think they have an answer for that other than, "Well, we just gotta bring the troops home."

CALLER 2: Yeah, and, you know what --

LIMBAUGH: "Save the -- keep the troops safe" or whatever. I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow these people.

CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.

LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.

CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.

LIMBAUGH: They joined to be in Iraq. They joined --

CALLER 2: A lot of them -- the new kids, yeah.

LIMBAUGH: Well, you know where you're going these days, the last four years, if you signed up. The odds are you're going there or Afghanistan or somewhere.

CALLER 2: Exactly, sir.

Because there are more than one people like Jessee M.

Limbaugh has shown nothing but support for the troops over the years.

Many liberals will just slander, and take any chance they get to bring him down, why???? ..... Because he is a thorn in their side.

Let me ask you this, why did those Democratic Senators have to say those things on the senate floor??? (Because they can't be taken to court for what they say on the senate floor)

If those were fair things to say, why can't they say it in the open with out those protections?


OK, I'll ask you again:



And why does he say "soldiers" if he's talking about one guy?

OK, I'll ask you again:



And why does he say "soldiers" if he's talking about one guy?What's the matter, Sisko? Are you so afraid of answering my question that you have to delete it from my quote? Maybe you are taking a page from Rush's book -- he had to selectively edit his own audio (http://mediamatters.org/items/200709280009?f=h_top) to make it sound like he was talking about Macbeth when he made the "phony soldiers" comment. Limbaugh then lied about it to his audience, saying it was "the entire transcript, in context" when in fact he had cut a full minute and 35 seconds from the tape.

Here's my question for the third time: where in the "phony soldiers" conversation does Rush mention Jesse Macbeth? Now, I'm pretty sure the reason why you cut the question from my quote is because you know the answer -- there is no mention of Jesse Macbeth in the "phony soldiers" conversation. Because there are more than one people like Jessee M.Here's the problem: you and Trav and FoxNews and others are making the claim that Limbaugh was referencing ONE soldier -- when clearly he wasn't. You guys should make up your minds about what he really meant before you take this any further. As it stands now, you're stuck in a logical contradiction.Let me ask you this, why did those Democratic Senators have to say those things on the senate floor??? (Because they can't be taken to court for what they say on the senate floor)I'm sure some of them are afraid of nuisance lawsuits -- that's why they have the protection in the first place. But Wesley Clark, for example, has no such protection -- let's see if Rush sues him. I doubt very much that Rush will so I'm not sure if it's much of a point.

Also, speaking on the floor of the House or Senate guarantees that a TV camera will be running. :)If those were fair things to say, why can't they say it in the open with out those protections?I haven't looked very far into this, but here is Senator Carl Levin discussing the issue with Paul W. Smith on the radio:
http://www.wjr.com/Article.asp?id=488339&spid=6521.

So at least one Senator has proven you wrong. And hasn't Harry Reid been talking about it on TV? Let's see what happens on the Sunday shows tomorrow. It's a cinch there will be more on the air discussion.

Personally, I don't care what Rush, or MovingOn, has to say about anything. But when elected officials waste time and money, talking about it, on "the floor"..... Well, then its time to replace said officials.
They claim they "can't" get things done...this is a good example of why.

for crying out loud, if you actually read the transcript or follow whats going on you would know that he was refrencing Macbeth from a previous conversation.I think reading the transcript in context works against Rush on this one. Look at the first call -- Rush is claiming that you can't be a "real Republican" if you don't support the war. If Rush thinks this way of Republicans, why wouldn't he also think this way of soldiers who don't support the war? How can they be "real soldiers"? Of course facts mean nothing to you when you see Limbaugh served up on a silver platter for you on some phony charge.What facts are you talking about?

Here's the transcript, relevant part bolded.

It's pretty obvious he meant what the caller was Referencing.
Those soldiers who out of the blue are used for media
Anti-war sentiment.
- Hardball - for one has used a couple " phony soldiers " to
help Corroborate Chris Matthews Vast Anti-war feelings.
CNN also.
That is why CNN and MSNBC are literally in free fall decline
in the ratings,and cannot slip much further and remain solvent.
The exact same plight - Air America - befell.
With Mark Green,trying to salvage and somewhat Undo
the Al Franken tenure.

You didn't read the bolded part. He wasn't referencing phony soldiers anymore, he was talking about real soldiers. Real soldiers support the war. Real soldiers are happy to be there. Had he just said phony soldiers, there would have been a lot more wiggle room. But he can't wriggle out of this one. He has to edit his own transcript and tape.

wtf? are you retarded? How in the hell does that mean he thinks anyone who doesnt support the war is a phony soldier?

You didn't read the bolded part. He wasn't referencing phony soldiers anymore, he was talking about real soldiers. Real soldiers support the war. Real soldiers are happy to be there. Had he just said phony soldiers, there would have been a lot more wiggle room. But he can't wriggle out of this one. He has to edit his own transcript and tape.

Off on a Tangent tear,eh.?
No ,the discussion went into what Real soldiers entail.
Like,would a Real Soldier go to a recruitment office and complain
about the War in Iraq and say he thinks Bush is a Jerkwater
Chickenhawk and we have No bidness in Iraq,especially since
Bush/Cheney never fought a lick in their Life in a War.
The '" Phony Soldiers '" are those out there in the Media who
somehow doctored their Service and usually got flushed out or
flat out Lied about even bein a soldier.
If everyone on the far left is so Cavalierly convinced what Limbaugh
said,what is their Proof.?
Just those "" 2 words "" selectively taken for Leftist propaganda
into Their Context.
Not Limbaugh's """ CONTEXT """ !
Dig Daddio ?

wtf? are you retarded? How in the hell does that mean he thinks anyone who doesnt support the war is a phony soldier?
I can understand how you would be lost. After all, you do post at a third grade reading level.

I can understand how you would be lost. After all, you do post at a third grade reading level.


I,for one,woodn't know from s'not about any 3rd grade
anyting.I'm shore glad you're around for expertise on that
level.

It's OK, he knows he is full of shit so insults the opposition, wonder where he got that strategy?

It's OK, he knows he is full of shit so insults the opposition, wonder where he got that strategy?From Limbaugh? :)

From Limbaugh? :)

Unlike some herein who haven't the authenticity,nor
imagination to dude utter danny Mimic what they've herd
or read.
Which COULD appear like a plagiaristic sojourn into
Mimesville.
Dig Daddios ?

It's OK, he knows he is full of shit so insults the opposition, wonder where he got that strategy?
Count the number of times I've shut you up, and then tell me you can just dismiss what I say out of hand. You give yourself too much credit.

From Limbaugh? :)
Ha...my first lol of the day!

Ha...my first lol of the day!

Ah.... Limbaugh .... Bimbaugh !
If Limbaugh was a Bimbo,this entire discussion wood be
mOOt.
Like most things of female felicity.
Hugs all arouind,no matter the Hound,
Dogs !

Count the number of times I've shut you up, and then tell me you can just dismiss what I say out of hand. You give yourself too much credit.

You have never "shut me up". I do not always dismiss what you say out of hand, but in this case I am. You know damn well Rush did not and does not insult the troops. This was just a lame attempt to discredit him because the left has no answer for him but to attack him personally.

I know damn well he did. I wouldn't have bothered to step into the discussion otherwise. I only rarely get into this kind of discussion, you know. And why should the left have an answer for Rush? All he does is bullshit, bullshit, bullshit for money. Who the left should have an answer for is Neal Boortz, whose commentary is somewhat more robust than Limbaugh's. Rush is a hack, in the same class as Sean Hannity. Those two do nothing but talk trash.

What ever you say.

the left is really digging if they are going after Rush Limbaugh to try to improve their image....

and this story had been all over the place... the dumb bloke who said the media is "silent" obviously doesn't live in the united states...

The media is silient because they know the story is a lie. Normally they dont care about lying as there is no one to call them on it, but Rush is differnet he can call them on it himself on his show.They dont want a repeat of Dan rather and the fake national guard documents.

In all the years Limbaugh has been a "media personality" I've probably listened to him for a total of 30 minutes - in other words, I'm no fan of his style of 'republicanism'.
***
Phony Soldiers (http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2007/09/rush_limbaughs_phony_soldiers/)

***

On any given day some media talking head could stick a microphone into the face of any given soldier and get a mouthful of how rotten it is being there. 8 hours later they just might get a story that's 180 degrees out from that same soldier.

Limbaugh, as usual, gets it right, only in his own mind.
....No doubt, an opinion formulated as a the result of his military-participation (http://www.rushlimbaughonline.com/articles/rushbusted1.htm). :rolleyes:


http://www.theworriedshrimp.com//rushcard.jpg

The media is silient because they know the story is a lie. Normally they dont care about lying as there is no one to call them on it, but Rush is differnet he can call them on it himself on his show.They dont want a repeat of Dan rather and the fake national guard documents.
Yeah.....right.....those fake-documents (http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/). :rolleyes:

You have never "shut me up". I do not always dismiss what you say out of hand, but in this case I am. You know damn well Rush did not and does not insult the troops.
Yeah.....they're too-much a marketing-tool (http://www.rushlimbaughonline.com/articles/rush_adopt_a_solider_limbaugh.htm), for him. :rolleyes: