A terrorist wanting to smuggle radioactive material from Canada into the United States probably would find it easy to do,a new report from congressional investigators said.

http:www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/27/border.security/index.html

Um... I gotta say this here.... DUH.

DUH means ????????????????

Depends on who is saying it

Looks like DF to me

Duh means that it's obvious.

At one time it was a point of pride that the border between the United States and Canada was the longest unguarded border in the world. Keeping our northern border unguarded or minimally guarded is no longer an option. Canada has a world view quite different from ours and deems things we deem important far less important than we do. It is time to strengthen our border security with Canada. That need not mean we are no longer friends. It means we no longer have the same priorities.

Duh means that it's obvious.
Thanx DF.

If others of less intelligence say it,it is usually because they are completely clueless... DF is not.. She doesnt have all her lights on if you know what i mean... but she does carry high intellect

If others of less intelligence say it,it is usually because they are completely clueless... DF is not.. She doesnt have all her lights on if you know what i mean... but she does carry high intellect
I don't have all my lights on? What the heck do you mean by that??

She has a high intellect. What the heck do you mean by that?:lolhit:

A terrorist wanting to smuggle radioactive material from Canada into the United States probably would find it easy to do,a new report from congressional investigators said.

http:www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/27/border.security/index.html


They wouldn't have much more trouble along the southern border. Our few border patrol agents, and a couple miles of fence are not much more effective than our very few customs agents located at our sea ports.

How many DFs does it take to change a light bulb?

As many as you can find, and make sure they're wearing miniskirts!

[QUOTE=Napsterbater]How many DFs does it take to change a light bulb?

QUOTE]

None. They'll just sit in the dark bitching and complaining.

Are Asian twins somehow involved in this lightbulb thing?

None. They'll just sit in the dark bitching and complaining.
:( That's not true.

... Canada has a world view quite different from ours and deems things we deem important far less important than we do. ...

I thought we had very similar views on terrorism, and many other things. Perhaps you could elaborate on your statement.

What we see as threats Canada does not, at least not to the same degree.

I thought we had very similar views on terrorism, and many other things. Perhaps you could elaborate on your statement.

I would like to know also..
Just because we don't support bush in his war monger ways does not mean we do not care about the issues of terrorism. WE just refuse to fight a war that should have never been. This is no different then Vietnam.. they had no business there either and look at how they treat the vets when they came back..oh if that is how we differ...we treat our vets with a bit more respect then sure we differ and proud to differ.
We are not a country set on going to war for issues that are stupid and meaning less and at such a high cost of human lives.

Yes our country does not support the war..We do care about stopping terrorism and keeping our people safe. I am proud to be Canadian and would never switch to an American.....ever.
I have some great friends that are but most Americans are proud of the war and support it...
I can be...I feel for all the families that have lost loved ones in this war.. this war has gone to far. Too many lives have been lost and when will is stop and how many more must die for it.

Sorry if that frosts some peoples asses but that is my opinion and I won't apologize for it. I just want all the people who have lost to have never had too.

No need to apologize for your opinion, Shortstuff. I feel no need to apologize for mine either.

I see Canada as the little brother who thumbs his nose at his big brother but still knows that his big brother will protect him if push comes to shove.

Remember the tsunami in Southeast Asia. Canada couldn't even get its DART force to the area to help out because they had no planes capable of transporting them. They had to rent planes from an East European country to transport their people. How many submarines (in working order) does Canada have. The Canadian military is a joke and the only reason it can afford to be a joke is the fact that the United States will protect Canada.

Canada spends 6.8% of its budget on the military while the United States spends 31%. Why can Canada afford to spend such a small amount on military preparedness? Because they know the United States will protect them.

Canada don't fuck with no one, either.

I see, it's a case of who spends most on its military. Yes, the US spends much more. However, as far as I can remember, Iraq is the only big conflict that we haven't joined with the US for several decades.

...I see Canada as the little brother who thumbs his nose at his big brother but still knows that his big brother will protect him if push comes to shove...

mmm? I wonder if the Canadian and US Forces fighting in Afghanistan think the same as you do?

Ah well, I know now what you think.

Canada has the unique situation of geopraphy... they are close to the US and are good friends. the US requires nothing from them and vice versa... it is a good trade... if only mexico could be such a good neighbor... Mexico is like the guy on the corner of your block who doesnt cut his grass and yard is a mess... you build high fences to block the view.. and sooner or later you cut the damn grass yourself.. for the sake of the block....

They have stayed out of most major bullshit and dont require a vast army because they simply doesnt care much about other countries problems.... It is like the monroe doctrine was written for them not us....

When the bottom falls out though and you all mark my words when the shit hits the fan Canada will be the first to go down.

:( That's not true.


I was kidding. I should have included a smiley so you would have known that.

I see, it's a case of who spends most on its military. Yes, the US spends much more. However, as far as I can remember, Iraq is the only big conflict that we haven't joined with the US for several decades.



mmm? I wonder if the Canadian and US Forces fighting in Afghanistan think the same as you do?

Ah well, I know now what you think.

Yes, Canadian troops are fighting in Afghanistan. That doesn't change the fact that Canada relies on the United States to protect it one iota. Canada can spend more on other things because the United States is basically the guaranteer of Canadian freedom.

Recent reports say Canada is near the bottom of NATO countries in military spending, equipment is outdated and capabilities limited. To find out how well armed our forces really are, we turned to historian and military expert Professor Desmond Morton. He's written several dozen books on this nation's military and social history, labour and industrial relations, and politics. A graduate of Royal Military College who served in the Canadian Army for ten years, he was founding director of the McGill Institute for the Study of Canada.

What is the present state of Canada's military?

Canada's military is worn out, after many years of economy, as it was worn out during every other period of peace time. In a very tough budgetary situation, it has been difficult to persuade the government to make new capital acquisitions to replace old equipment, so the military have fallen into obsolescence.

http://www.mcgill.ca/news/2003/fall/morton/

Do any Canadian posters feel that the US guarentees their freedom.
In fact,how do the two peoples view their neighbour?

Do any Canadian posters feel that the US guarantees their freedom.
In fact,how do the two peoples view their neighbor?


I don't believe the US would guarantee our freedom..WE have to do that ourselves.
I guess to us we view health card and our kids as more important then fighting.
Yes US is leading in how much you put out to fight...he has to other wise he couldn't keep fighting.. We in Canada are not at war.. sooooo we don't need to worry about all the wasted money going out the door.

At one time it was a point of pride that the border between the United States and Canada was the longest unguarded border in the world. Keeping our northern border unguarded or minimally guarded is no longer an option. Canada has a world view quite different from ours and deems things we deem important far less important than we do. It is time to strengthen our border security with Canada. That need not mean we are no longer friends. It means we no longer have the same priorities.


impossible frogger.

i could slip a nuke across the border anywhere. too many access points. of course this will mean a lot of indians will get harrassed and or jailed due to the many crossings they do everyday whether on foot, by vehicle, or boat/canoe.

Is there any migratory wildlife that needs to cross from county to country.

most Americans are proud of the war and support it...

You're WAAAAAY off on this one, shorty.

June 26, 2007. In the latest CNN-Opinion Research Corporation poll released Tuesday, 69 percent of those polled believe things are going badly in Iraq. Seventeen percent think the situation is improving.

Thirty percent of Americans polled say they favor the war, the lowest level of support on record. Two-thirds are opposed.

Anti-war sentiment among Republican poll respondents has suddenly increased with 38 percent of Republicans now saying they oppose the war.

Moreover, 63 percent of Americans are ready to withdraw at least some troops from Iraq. Forty-two percent of Republicans agree.

Fifty-four percent of Americans do not believe U.S. action in Iraq is morally justified. --CNN (http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/06/26/poll.iraq.schneider/index.html)

Is there any migratory wildlife that needs to cross from county to country.

Yes but they all are required to carry identity cards.

I don't believe the US would guarantee our freedom..WE have to do that ourselves.
You're in outer-freaking-space. Oh, wait - the Canadians can't get there without us either. I forgot.
I guess to us we view health card and our kids as more important then fighting.
Blow me. And learn how to spell. How old are you anyway, 12? (If so, then....uh....disregard the 'blow me' comment.)

Either way, you're horribly naive, and if I were to hazard a guess, I'd say somewhat stupid too.

However...(and I'm being honest here)...I'll give you a pass if you're under 15.

Yes but they all are required to carry identity cards.Yes,the Canadian Authorities are vey thorough hehe.

Yo Prae babe,you guys need a helping hand,or should I say arm,up there,in space.

Do any Canadian posters feel that the US guarentees their freedom.
In fact,how do the two peoples view their neighbour?
Guarantees our freedom...in a way yes. Had we another neighbour below us, our military would be stronger for sure. On the other hand if another country were to invade us it would be in the best interest of the States to protect us. However I do not think most European nations have any idea about how vast a land mass we are. Also the border between us is not an easy one to guard. It is massive and there is huge movement between the two countries on a daily basis. Some people work on one side and live on the other.

The fact that we are a democracy ensures the States can not come in to "save us" from our government. Otherwise I would not trust their industrial companies to not force things. As it is they do pressure us.

They are currently pissed with the fact that they invested huge amounts of money into Russian oil rather than ours. Now they do not like that we have dealings with China and India.

In general feelings between us are what I would describe as a friendly tolerance. Many Canadian cars especially after 9/11 sported double flag stickers and many cars still have them. I can not imagine Americans supporting us that way (flag wise) although some would.

I would say they are more xenophobic than us generally speaking. Many view us as a joke such as Frogger. *shrug* who cares. We live our lives they live theirs. Which is of course a very Canadian attitude, live and let live. The average American would not know the capital of our country, who our Prime Minister is, nor what a province is, nor much about us in general. That's okay though.

Yo Prae babe,you guys need a helping hand,or should I say arm,up there,in space.
Not unless you can give us a weapon that can vaporize entire countries with a multi-megawatt laser of some sort. If so, then come on down - we'll make you real rich.

Guarantees our freedom...in a way yes. Had we another neighbour below us, our military would be stronger for sure. On the other hand if another country were to invade us it would be in the best interest of the States to protect us. However I do not think most European nations have any idea about how vast a land mass we are. Also the border between us is not an easy one to guard. It is massive and there is huge movement between the two countries on a daily basis. Some people work on one side and live on the other.

The fact that we are a democracy ensures the States can not come in to "save us" from our government. Otherwise I would not trust their industrial companies to not force things. As it is they do pressure us.

They are currently pissed with the fact that they invested huge amounts of money into Russian oil rather than ours. Now they do not like that we have dealings with China and India.

In general feelings between us are what I would describe as a friendly tolerance. Many Canadian cars especially after 9/11 sported double flag stickers and many cars still have them. I can not imagine Americans supporting us that way (flag wise) although some would.

I would say they are more xenophobic than us generally speaking. Many view us as a joke such as Frogger. *shrug* who cares. We live our lives they live theirs. Which is of course a very Canadian attitude, live and let live. The average American would not know the capital of our country, who our Prime Minister is, nor what a province is, nor much about us in general. That's okay though.
Now THAT was a fair assessment.

So Sal,your saying the yanks are stupid.Yes well.

So Sal,your saying the yanks are stupid.Yes well.
Well, sort of. I'm pretty embarrassed by the average American. That said, could YOU name their PM, capital, and all their provinces? I seriously doubt it. People are just pissed at us because we don't have to care about anyone else. Clearly, others do.

Ottowa, Stephen Harper, one of the ten political divisions of Canada.

The best province is Alberta and the next best British Columbia. Those on the east coast are filled with metrosexuals and America haters.

PM Dont know,but he's a young guy.
Capital-Ottawa,my uncle lives there hehe.
Provinces-NO

I do know they make Labatt

Are not the Canadians, themselves, still arguing about their capital? Not so much where it is, but rather HOW MANY they have. :lolhit:

The best thing about Canada is the fact that it is a federation. The provinces still retain the right to secede from the whole. Eventually Alberta will probably secede as will Quebec. Alberta will join the United States, a country they have more affinity with than their own. Quebec will secede and form a Francophile bastion in the middle of Canada. Once Alberta secedes BC will soon follow. That will leave rump Canada cosisting of widely seperated provinces on the two coasts and the two territories. PEI will secede and join the States. What will be left will be metrosexual Canada, a mini nation of effete snobs who distain anything American.

Why would the western bits link up with the US,would be handy for Alaska tho.
Yes Quebec will eventually go it alone.

Why would the western bits link up with the US,would be handy for Alaska tho.
'Cause they'd need us, and yes, it would be FANTASTIC day for Alaska. We'd finally be able to access our own oil. Hell, that'd be a big day for America. But if Shortstuff lives in western Canada - she'd have to go.

hehe, where,gitmo if she refused.

But if Shortstuff lives in western Canada - she'd have to go.

ahhhhhh thats not fair... she is allright in my book

She's alright in his book

hehe, where,gitmo if she refused.
No. Afghanistan. Or even worse yet, French Canada.

Shed have no chance in Quebec.
or Detroit.

I wouldn't send an enemy to live in Detroit. No one deserves that.

Ever notice,Detroits the only US city on the border that dosent have a Canadian town facing it.

Ever notice,Detroits the only US city on the border that dosent have a Canadian town facing it.
Well, I can tell you this much - driving over the bridge into Windsor, Ontario from Detroit is like going from black & white into Technicolor. As an American, I'm truly embarrassed by that city. It makes our whole country look like a slum.

Its the forgotten city really,good music,good boxers,shit cars,well 2 out of 3 aint bad.

PS I didnt win the euro millions tonite,so I'll not be over this weekend.

So Sal,your saying the yanks are stupid.Yes well.

HA, no. To be fair they have 5 times the population we have and there are many pockets in America where the education level is very, very low. It was one of the factors in us getting a huge Toyota plant to locate in my region. Japan considered locating in the deep south but the learning curve for the area was too high. They would have needed to teach with pictures rather than written word.

Im sure youll get a response from way down there,from those who can read your post anyway haha

The best thing about Canada is the fact that it is a federation. The provinces still retain the right to secede from the whole. Eventually Alberta will probably secede as will Quebec. Alberta will join the United States, a country they have more affinity with than their own. Quebec will secede and form a Francophile bastion in the middle of Canada. Once Alberta secedes BC will soon follow. That will leave rump Canada cosisting of widely seperated provinces on the two coasts and the two territories. PEI will secede and join the States. What will be left will be metrosexual Canada, a mini nation of effete snobs who distain anything American.

Frogger you are speaking out of your ass. I know you think you have a great understanding of Canadian politics but YOU DO NOT. We have had this conversation before and obviously you leaned zero so I am not about to engage you in a lengthy discussion again for that very reason.

The Block de Quebecois is no longer favoured in Quebec. In fact, they are highly UNPOPULAR. I know Americans such as yourself believe you are the centre of the universe and that everyone wants to be just like you. And that is fine. But we Canadians LIKE being Canadian. Your Canadian buddies that are feeding you this crap DO NOT represent the average Canadian and are giving you very skewed information .

However believe what you will and keep your petty little "I know all about Canada attitude". It is arragant know it all attitudes like that which make you think all Canadians distain America. We do not in fact distain America but your particualar attitude stinks and that we do distain.

Sal,what is the 'Block de Quebec'?

Are not the Canadians, themselves, still arguing about their capital? Not so much where it is, but rather HOW MANY they have. :lolhit:

No moderate, only the rest of the world as they usually think it is Toronto. But Frogger was right, it is Ottawa.

Sal,what is the 'Block de Quebec'?

A political party within Quebec. They very much wished to separate from the rest of Canada for a time but that was quite a while back. The irony is most of our Prime Ministers come from Quebec and none are with the Block de Quebec. They now usually align themselves with which ever party will serve their best interest. Which is actually smart.

They have a small following still.

Actually I missed one of Prae's posts: No. Afghanistan. Or even worse yet, French Canada. He understands Quebec (French Canada) is itself Xenophobic to a degree. The youth though do not view it the same as their parents did... typical eh. Things change.

Yeah that was twenty odd years ago.
Maybe if Canada dropped the Queen as its figurehead it would help mold the country together better.

Yeah that was twenty odd years ago.
Maybe if Canada dropped the Queen as its figurehead it would help mold the country together better.

Perhaps yes, we no longer have the strength of ties that we did once to Britain. They would still need to come to our aid however if we were attacked. But for Quebec you have to understand they wish to protect their language as well as their customs. Something the States would never support for them.

What many Americans do not comprehend is that we are a quiet people. We love our country and we are very pro-Canadian but it is a quiet fierceness which we hold in our heart. It is our way as a people. We do not strive to be seen as the best by others in other nations. We do excel at some things at other we are just a small nation.

Do we feel we live in the best country in the world? For us it is. We also know that the people to our south have a great nation too. But they are separate from us and we have no wish to melt. We are a salad bowl, they a melting pot.

This generation behind me are far more vocal about their patriotism. It will be a new world.

Dont worry about the Brits pulling you out,they only square up to someone when the yanks are doing the ground work.

And dont forget,size isnt everything.

Dont worry about the Brits pulling you out,they only square up to someone when the yanks are doing the ground work.

And dont forget,size isnt everything.

yeah baby, we got heart... :D

You're in outer-freaking-space. Oh, wait - the Canadians can't get there without us either. I forgot.

Blow me. And learn how to spell. How old are you anyway, 12? (If so, then....uh....disregard the 'blow me' comment.)

Either way, you're horribly naive, and if I were to hazard a guess, I'd say somewhat stupid too.

However...(and I'm being honest here)...I'll give you a pass if you're under 15.

Wow what an asshole;
You just showed your age...imature. Just because people don't share your view you feel a need to ridicule them...what a big man.
Canada (BC) is better then you will ever get to know...and thank god you don't live here.



I would say they are more xenophobic than us generally speaking. Many view us as a joke such as Frogger. *shrug* who cares. We live our lives they live theirs. Which is of course a very Canadian attitude, live and let live. The average American would not know the capital of our country, who our Prime Minister is, nor what a province is, nor much about us in general. That's okay though.

I agree with this whole hearted. WE don't go looking to pick fights.

You're in outer-freaking-space. Oh, wait - the Canadians can't get there without us either. I forgot.

Blow me. And learn how to spell. How old are you anyway, 12? (If so, then....uh....disregard the 'blow me' comment.)

Either way, you're horribly naive, and if I were to hazard a guess, I'd say somewhat stupid too.

However...(and I'm being honest here)...I'll give you a pass if you're under 15.

WOAH... what the hell was wrong with him today? He was all sorts of angry... i kinda hope he comes on later when Dharma is here. Talk about a slug fest...

Prae can get a bit unhinged from time to time. No worries, he usually apologizes later.

LOL he told Shortstuff to blow him... Thats madness..

Hah, you should have seen some of the things he's said to other non-American posters, particularly Canadians. I remember a woman who posted by the name of She-Devil, God I miss that woman! They had some titanic battles.

a mini nation of effete snobs who distain anything American.

that's what it is now, eh:@@:

They had some titanic battles.

I want to see titanic battles....

...one of the ten political divisions of Canada.. .

Ten political divisions? That's like saying the US has only 50 political divisions. A rather restricted view, especially to those in the other divisions.

I want to see titanic battles....Try this one: Timber! (http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?t=14906&highlight=timber)

THANX!!!!!!! that was classic...

God, that thread was great!

I say that was one of the finest i have seen...

So,we've come to the conclusion that Canada needs to build a fence to keep you goddamn yankees out.

Sal.

I didn't say I knew everything about Canada. A statement was made that Americans don't know the capital of Canada, the Prime Minister or what a province is. I knew all three things. I don't know everything about Canada but I do know more about the country than the average American.

Oldtimer,

I called provinces political divisions because I didn't want to go into any great depth, just answer the question. As you said, states are the fifty political divisions of the U.S.. One of the major differences between states and provinces is the fact that provinces can secede from the union and states cannot. Provinces also have more latitude in their governing than do states.

Sal is right and the Bloc Quebecois is not as powerful as it once was. That does not mean that Francophone Quebec will not one day secede from the rest of Canada. The provinces have the right of secession and it takes only one successful vote for that to happen. As world and Canadian dynamics change that one successful vote will one day occur.

Alberta is probably the least Canadian of the provinces. It is more like the the area of the U.S. that it is near, freedom loving, a bit wild and politically conservative. Albertans also feel royally screwed by the Federal government. The oil sands are located in Alberta and Albertans rightly feel the majority of oil sands revenues belong to them and not Ottowa. There is a small but growing secessionist movement in the province.

If Alberta were to secede that would leave British Columbia basically disconnected from the rest of Canada except through the Yukon Territory or the Northwest Territory. BC would most likely join with Alberta in a loose federation.

Eventually the two provinces would petition to join the United States.

On the east coast Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island are geographically closer to the United States than to the rest of Canada. They would eventually become part of the United States.

That would leave the three territories, The Yukon Territory, The Northwest Territory and Nunavut along with Ontario, Manitoba and Newfoundland/Labrador as a rump Canada.

This might not happen. It might happen to a partial extent. It might happen in its entirety. In any case if and when it happens will be a ways down the road.

I can understand Sal being upset at the thought of her country dismembering itself but she should argue against the message and not try to shoot the messenger.

As for my Canadian friends feeding me false information, the majority of my Canadian friends come from the provinces that would remain as part of rump Canada or from Quebec not from Alberta where secessionist feeling is probably strongest at present.

What benefits would Canadians get,by joining the Union,that they dont enjoy now?

It is not always a question of actual benefits but of perceived benefits, Paul.

Quebec would not join any union. Quebec would probably try to attain St. Pierre and Miqueiline and go it alone.

Albertans are more like Montanans than they are like other Canadians. The people of Alberta and Montana have a natural affinity for each other. Albertans would also cut a deal for oil sands revenues before joining the Union.

British Columbia would join The States because it would basically be cut off from the rest of Canada. At one time British Columbia effectively ran all the way down to the California border. Much of their commerce goes in a southern direction now rather than northward or to the east. The smaller provinces on the east coast would fall to America by default. Once a country starts disintergrating the process feeds on itself.

Maybe they can use part of this massive surplus to upgrade their military, you know, buy a submarine or an airplane or two to transport their troops so they don't have to rely on Uncle Sam to protect them. Canada is like the little brother who stashes all his money in his piggy bank and expects big brother to pick up the tab for everything.


OTTAWA - Pressure is building on the Conservative government to announce substantive tax cuts as early as the October economic update after the finance department reported it was amassing another large surplus.


Fresh from closing the books on last year's massive $13.8 billion surplus - about four billion more than it had recently predicted - the department said Friday that already in the first four months of this year it was operating on a $7.8 billion surplus, about one billion more than last year's monster haul for the same period.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/070928/national/federal_surplus

As someone said somewhere else,the US spends a whopping 31% GDP on its military,I dont know the figures but Im sure Canada doesnt spend half that.
There is I think a certain militaristic attitude in the US,that simply doesnt exist in Canada.
Canada doesnt get 'involved',overseas as the US does,tho they are in Afghanistan,I think that may be symbolic in supporting its neighbour more than anything else.
Unfortunatly the US over succesive Presidencys have taken sides when it comes to world problems which has left it open to hostility and as we've seen,attack.Thus,more spending on defence,its a vicious circle.
So many missed oppertunitys,I have always felt that the most powerful nation could have solved so many things,rather than backing one side against another.

Canada spends a paltry 6.8%. They can afford to be so cheap because they know the U.S. will protect them.

Sal.

I didn't say I knew everything about Canada. A statement was made that Americans don't know the capital of Canada, the Prime Minister or what a province is. I knew all three things. I don't know everything about Canada but I do know more about the country than the average American.You twist but you forget to turn Frogger. The statement made was “average” and I stand by that as do you in your post.



Sal is right and the Bloc Quebecois is not as powerful as it once was. That does not mean that Francophone Quebec will not one day secede from the rest of Canada. Yeah, and neither does it mean it will.


I can understand Sal being upset at the thought of her country dismembering itself but she should argue against the message and not try to shoot the messenger. Your attempt at understanding is noted Frogger, but it is merely an attempt. And I have no need to shoot the messenger you shoot yourself in the foot with the thought that any Candian province would wish to join you and your national debt which grows in leaps and bounds daily. Albertains are not stupid although we do know you would love to grab those tar sands it won't ever happen. Your greed is blinding you to reality.


As for my Canadian friends feeding me false information, the majority of my Canadian friends come from the provinces that would remain as part of rump Canada or from Quebec not from Alberta where secessionist feeling is probably strongest at present It doesn't matter where your buddies are geographically located, wrong thinking is wrong thinking.

It is not always a question of actual benefits but of perceived benefits, Paul.
HA...perceived benefits... yeah they are stupid...:rolleyes: There aren't any benefits Paul. If they think Ottawa is sucking their tit do you think they would want to pipeline their stuff directly south. You're deluded Frogger.

Maybe they can use part of this massive surplus to upgrade their military, you know, buy a submarine or an airplane or two to transport their troops so they don't have to rely on Uncle Sam to protect them. Canada is like the little brother who stashes all his money in his piggy bank and expects big brother to pick up the tab for everything.

We already have Frogger, four actually. Bring your insults up to date. Pitiful.

Sal.

I didn't say I knew everything about Canada. A statement was made that Americans don't know the capital of Canada, the Prime Minister or what a province is. I knew all three things. I don't know everything about Canada but I do know more about the country than the average American.I can easily see why Sal thinks you have an "I know all about Canada" attitude. You make sweeping predictions of Canada's impending demise, and deliver them with with an air of absolute certainty. You make statements about the future as though they were established fact -- this implies a measure of clairvoyance on your part. Not to mention that your pomposity in this thread exceeds even your usually bloviated level. If this is intentional on your part it's rather rude, but I suspect it isn't and you are simply being full of yourself again.

Canada spends a paltry 6.8%. They can afford to be so cheap because they know the U.S. will protect them.
Protect them from who? And your military is otherwise engaged Frogger.

We are now doing a nice business with China and India. Better get that oil fast Frogger or there won't be any to ste..... um buy.

Sedan,

You are usually better able to read and understand posts than your present response indicates.

I said that some of these things might happen and that none of them might happen. That does not translate into, mak(ing) sweeping predictions of Canada's impending demise, and deliver them with with an air of absolute certainty.

I am speculating on a possible, and in my view, very possible scenerio of the future of Canada. You may not agree with my speculations but that does not give you carte blanche to engage in posts that personally insult me.

If you have another prediction for the future of Canada post it. If you wish to simply engage in personal insults go fuck yourself. This is a discussion site and many possible scenerios are discussed. If you don't like one of those scenerios discuss it and don't get into personal insults. Perhaps you would prefer a site where everyone agrees with you, Sedan. I am sure if you search diligently enough you will find one.

Sal,

I see you are taking a page from the Sedan's book and insulting the poster rather than discussing the posts. If that is the best you have why not simply :stfu

Sal,

I see you are taking a page from the Sedan's book and insulting the poster rather than discussing the posts. If that is the best you have why not simply :stfu
Oh my! Where did I insult you personally Frogger? Your posting style is know it all and arrogant. You know nothing of the Canadian mentality save what a few of you discuss on another forum yet you gleefully carve our country up and take our oil... all of course done by stupid Canadians who perceive a benefit yet will get none.

You often address people by speaking of them to another poster as if they were not in the thread. If you don't like being called on it, don't do it. Sal thinks this, Sal thinks that. Yet you are the first to whine and cry in the religious section that posters post to inflame. When you dish it out you have to be able to suck it back up.

You think you can take pot shots at another country and just divide it up and not expect come back. I have been more than civil here Frogger. It is you who have been less.

Talking about another country and its possible future is taking potshots at that country, Sal? I guess you think that only Canadians can talk about Canada, or maybe other people can talk about Canada but only if they say things you like.

Does the same hold for you talking about the United States? I don't notice any reticence on your part or on the parts of your fellow Canadians in discussing United States issues.

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, or in this case, sauce for the duck.

Who said I was gleefully carving up your country and stealing your oil? Oh, yeah, you did. I was postulating a possible scenerio of the future of Canada. You may not like what I postulated but, news flash, I don't post to make you happy. This is a discussion forum and I post discussions and opions. I don't really care if you agree with them or not.

You seem to feel you have the right to discuss American issues based on what you read in the papers and discussions you have with Americans but you want to deny me the right to discuss Canadian issues based on what I read in the papers, on the internet and discuss with friends of mine who happen to be Canadian. How unbelievably arrogant of you.

I will refrain from discussing anything Canadian if you and your compatriots in turn refrain from discussing anything American. So long as you feel free to discuss American issues I feel free to discuss Canadian issues. So long as Canadians like Shortstuff feel free to make statements like, most Americans are proud of the Iraq War I feel free to make statements concerning the possible breakup of Canada.

I am sorry if your national inferiority complex makes you get upset when people talk about Canada. That is your problem, not mine.

Sedan,

You are usually better able to read and understand posts than your present response indicates.

I said that some of these things might happen and that none of them might happen. That does not translate into, mak(ing) sweeping predictions of Canada's impending demise, and deliver them with with an air of absolute certainty.This is very typical of you, Frogger. About Quebec you said "As world and Canadian dynamics change that one successful vote will one day occur." Then later on, talking about other provinces seceding you say "these things may not happen". Maybe you think that gives you an out but it doesn't work with anyone who's actually paying attention to what you have said.I am speculating on a possible, and in my view, very possible scenerio of the future of Canada. You may not agree with my speculations but that does not give you carte blanche to engage in posts that personally insult me.It is part and parcel of your overwhelming pomposity that you don't even realize how insulting you are to others.If you have another prediction for the future of Canada post it.I predict that Canadians will unify on a single point -- the determination to never be a part of the United States. They like being Canadians. And if they're ever tempted to become Americans all they have to do is read one of your posts to find ample cause for reconsideration. If you wish to simply engage in personal insults go fuck yourself. This is a discussion site and many possible scenerios are discussed. If you don't like one of those scenerios discuss it and don't get into personal insults.Saying that you are pompous is an insult??

I thought it was an accurate description of your character. :) Perhaps you would prefer a site where everyone agrees with you, Sedan. I am sure if you search diligently enough you will find one.Yes, Frogger. I crave uniformity of opinion and can't stand all these arguments!! :rolleyes:

Try making some sense for once.

Talking about another country and its possible future is taking potshots at that country, Sal? I guess you think that only Canadians can talk about Canada, or maybe other people can talk about Canada but only if they say things you like.

Does the same hold for you talking about the United States? I don't notice any reticence on your part or on the parts of your fellow Canadians in discussing United States issues.

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, or in this case, sauce for the duck.

Who said I was gleefully carving up your country and stealing your oil? Oh, yeah, you did. I was postulating a possible scenerio of the future of Canada. You may not like what I postulated but, news flash, I don't post to make you happy. This is a discussion forum and I post discussions and opions. I don't really care if you agree with them or not.

You seem to feel you have the right to discuss American issues based on what you read in the papers and discussions you have with Americans but you want to deny me the right to discuss Canadian issues based on what I read in the papers, on the internet and discuss with friends of mine who happen to be Canadian. How unbelievably arrogant of you.

I will refrain from discussing anything Canadian if you and your compatriots in turn refrain from discussing anything American. So long as you feel free to discuss American issues I feel free to discuss Canadian issues. So long as Canadians like Shortstuff feel free to make statements like, most Americans are proud of the Iraq War I feel free to make statements concerning the possible breakup of Canada..Frogger, Frogger, Frogger, you need to chill out. You may certainly say whatever you want about Canada or any other country for that matter. It was not me who got my panties so tightly entwined that I was telling you to STFU. You told two of us to do that in the space of a few posts.

I don’t care what you say about Canada nor what you think. But when you make idiotic predictions based on faulty information I will call you on it. It’s that simple.


I am sorry if your national inferiority complex makes you get upset when people talk about Canada. That is your problem, not mine You know Frogger, I can always tell when you feel you have lost an argument. Know how? You get progressively more emotional and insulting. You spin downward and become personal and usually accuse the other party of doing what you pretend to so abjectly avoid.

Sedan,

I still think that Quebec will eventually vote to secede from Canada. The major reason Quebec remains withing the Canadian Federation is economic and if and when that issue is solved Quebec will seperate itself from the rest of the country.

You may not agree with me but disagreement is what makes betting on horses possible.


You say I was personally insulting to others. How so? I was posting about a possible future for Canada. You seem to think that is pompous. People here discuss lots of possible futures. Are you accusing all those posters of pomposity or is it only me because I posited a future you might not like. This is not the first time and I doubt it will be the last time you have personally insulted me. I guess it is lucky for me that I really don't much give a shit what you think of me. In my opinion you are just a tacky little poster who pops up every once in awhile to take pot shots. I see very little of substance that you add to any discussion.

You predict that Canadians will unify on the single point that they never want to be Americans. You have no problem with making that prerdiction. Yet you have a problem with my prediction that some of the provinces will secede from Canada and become part of the United States. Why is that? Is it that the United States is so horrible that you cannot conceive of anyone wanting to be part of it? Why is your prediction valid and mind a sign of pomposity?

If you calling me pompous is not an insult because you feel it is an accurate description of my character, neither is my calling you an asshole an insult because I think that is an accurate description of your character.

If you want uniformity of opinion and don't like arguments perhaps you should find a board more suited to your taste. This is a board in which people of varying and disparate opinions discuss the issues of the day. There will always be differences of opinion and arguments. Maybe a site dealing with baking tips would be more to your taste.


Sal,

It is you who needs to chill out. You got your feathers ruffled because I predicted a future for Canada that you don't like. Actually you do care what I think and say about Canada. If you didn't you wouldn't have gotten so upset when I posted what I see as Canada's eventual future. I am not the only person to predict the eventual breakup of Canada. Canadians have also done so. The possible breakup of the Federation is enshrined in your constitution. Perhaps you should be upset with your founding fathers rather than me.

Please enlighten me as to what part of my information is faulty. You don't even know what information I have since I didn't post it. I posted a possible scenerio of the future of Canada. You didn't like it. Too bad. I don't like some of the things you say about the United States.

I haven't lost the argument. I wasn't the one who initiated the first insulting remarks. That was you.

I await your response but right now I am going out with friends for the day.

Perhaps we will contemplate the imminent breakup of Canada and talk about what we will do with all the money we get when we 'steal' the oil sands.

Sorry all, I'm royally fucked up, but this really surprised me; someone put this to a Depeche Mode tune (sacrilege, IMO), but I can't believe the amount of work he put into it....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VaB1psXTjS4

What a fool. (literally, if you don't believe me, then check out the masons reference (not that it should take that)).

Sal,

It is you who needs to chill out. You got your feathers ruffled because I predicted a future for Canada that you don't like. Actually you do care what I think and say about Canada. If you didn't you wouldn't have gotten so upset when I posted what I see as Canada's eventual future. I am not the only person to predict the eventual breakup of Canada. Canadians have also done so. Speculated Frogger not predicted and you are going on old history. Perhaps you are so quick to make such predictions because you are rapidly losing to Mexico. You seem to project a lot.
The possible breakup of the Federation is enshrined in your constitution. Perhaps you should be upset with your founding fathers rather than me. The federal government has jurisdiction over the provinces so explain this to me please.

Please enlighten me as to what part of my information is faulty. You don't even know what information I have since I didn't post it. I posted a possible scenerio of the future of Canada. You are right Frogger you have posted nothing factual yet. Give it up. Let's see it.

I await your response but right now I am going out with friends for the day. YOU have friends? Joke joke, don't spin out on me.

Perhaps we will contemplate the imminent breakup of Canada and talk about what we will do with all the money we get when we 'steal' the oil sands. Pay down a tiny portion of the national debt per chance. :D You seem to be less hostile than earlier perhaps the clouds have all gone away. Have a fun day.

Speculated Frogger not predicted and you are going on old history. Perhaps you are so quick to make such predictions because you are rapidly losing to Mexico. You seem to project a lot.

Of course it's speculated. It hasn't happened yet and it might not happen. That's what speculation is, talking about what might happen.

The federal government has jurisdiction over the provinces so explain this to me please.

I really shouldn't have to explain your own country to you, Sal, but the fact is, your provinces have a legal right to secede from the Federation.

You are right Frogger you have posted nothing factual yet. Give it up. Let's see it.

See the above comment about what speculation is, Sal.

YOU have friends? Joke joke, don't spin out on me.

Again with the personal insults. I guess if you can't discuss the issue based on facts personal insults is the best way to go.

Pay down a tiny portion of the national debt per chance.

No, I think we'll use the money to equip a mercenary force to invade rump Canada. Maybe we'll give the three remaining provinces to Quebec.

You seem to be less hostile than earlier perhaps the clouds have all gone away. Have a fun day.

It wasn't me who started with the personal insults and hostility but you and Sedan. I always have nice days.