If you calling me pompous is not an insult because you feel it is an accurate description of my character, neither is my calling you an asshole an insult because I think that is an accurate description of your character.
Negative, because you are a pompous ass, and sedan is not an asshole.

Seriously, though, sedan was just using your own logic against you. I can see how that would fly over your head.

As someone said somewhere else,the US spends a whopping 31% GDP on its military,I dont know the figures but Im sure Canada doesnt spend half that.


If you look at the figures on worldwide military spending, you might conclude that Americans are either war-mongering sociopaths intent on world domination, or that we're just extremely paranoid.

The truth is that the US spends more on its military every year than everyone else in the world combined. Staggering when you think about it.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spending.htm

Look my battle is not with The Praetorian
He can say and feel as he does but grow up and stop acting like a two year old that has to say "Blow me" or pick on people.. I can take criticism if you don't agree that is cool..I might not agree with you either.....but don't be a prick about it either.

It is just that Canada and Canadians have a much more relaxed view of how we feel.
For me and a lot of Canadians we are very grateful to live in canada..We do have a good life here and families can afford to live.
It is like in the US everyone (OK most fly their American flag proudly...no big deal), but if a Mexican or German or any other nationality flies their flag proudly they are deemed unpatriotic..
Were as in Canada we have such a diverse range of cultures and embrace them as one country..
The Americans tend to fight about this concept..Listen to how you talk about the Mexican and even us Canadians.
WE are a lot more polite and less up tight. We go with the flow and enjoy the peace and freedom we have in Canada.
Now as Americans you see this as weak and spineless..
Well that is cool go for it pop a blood vessel...
At least we are not bankrupting our country fight a war just to keep it going because heaven forbid we have another Vietnam situation.
Canada doesn't have any enemies...
We don't want to or will ever be Americans. That is a statement founded by an American business man. lol

The truth is that the US spends more on its military every year than everyone else in the world combined. Staggering when you think about it.
Awesome, actually.

The federal government has jurisdiction over the provinces so explain this to me please.

I really shouldn't have to explain your own country to you, Sal, but the fact is, your provinces have a legal right to secede from the Federation.

Frogger I will say this slooooowly, the FEDERAL government has jurisdiction over the provinces.


You are right Frogger you have posted nothing factual yet. Give it up. Let's see it.

See the above comment about what speculation is, Sal.
I see it, it just doesn't say anything to back up your speculation.

YOU have friends? Joke joke, don't spin out on me.

Again with the personal insults. I guess if you can't discuss the issue based on facts personal insults is the best way to go.
:rolleyes: It wasn't meant as a personal insult Frogger. I was attempting to be light hearted, you know joke a little. You seem to have lost all ability to do so. I won't go there again.

Pay down a tiny portion of the national debt per chance.

No, I think we'll use the money to equip a mercenary force to invade rump Canada. Maybe we'll give the three remaining provinces to Quebec.
Okay Frogger.

You seem to be less hostile than earlier perhaps the clouds have all gone away. Have a fun day.

It wasn't me who started with the personal insults and hostility but you and Sedan. I always have nice days
Here Frogger let me refresh your memory on why this deteriorated.
*The best province is Alberta and the next best British Columbia. Those on the east coast are filled with metrosexuals and America haters.

*What will be left will be metrosexual Canada, a mini nation of effete snobs who distain anything American.

Here's what I should have said to you Frogger... When you said: What we see as threats Canada does not, at least not to the same degree.Would an example of this be the WMD that did not exist?


Frogger about Canada: Once a country starts disintergrating the process feeds on itself.You should know.

Frogger: Fresh from closing the books on last year's massive $13.8 billion surplus - about four billion more than it had recently predicted - the department said Friday that already in the first four months of this year it was operating on a $7.8 billion surplus, about one billion more than last year's monster haul for the same period. Paying off our debt baby… I know it’s a hard concept to grasp.

Frogger: Canada spends a paltry 6.8%. They can afford to be so cheap because they know the U.S. will protect them.We can afford to be so cheap because we mind our own business.

Look my battle is not with The Praetorian
He can say and feel as he does but grow up and stop acting like a two year old that has to say "Blow me" or pick on people.. I can take criticism if you don't agree that is cool..I might not agree with you either.....but don't be a prick about it either.

It is just that Canada and Canadians have a much more relaxed view of how we feel.
For me and a lot of Canadians we are very grateful to live in canada..We do have a good life here and families can afford to live.
It is like in the US everyone (OK most fly their American flag proudly...no big deal), but if a Mexican or German or any other nationality flies their flag proudly they are deemed unpatriotic..
Were as in Canada we have such a diverse range of cultures and embrace them as one country..
The Americans tend to fight about this concept..Listen to how you talk about the Mexican and even us Canadians.
WE are a lot more polite and less up tight. We go with the flow and enjoy the peace and freedom we have in Canada.
Now as Americans you see this as weak and spineless..
Well that is cool go for it pop a blood vessel...
At least we are not bankrupting our country fight a war just to keep it going because heaven forbid we have another Vietnam situation.
Canada doesn't have any enemies...
We don't want to or will ever be Americans. That is a statement founded by an American business man. lol
We're nowhere near 'bankrupting' our country.

We're nowhere near 'bankrupting' our country.

Perhaps, but with the current policy of spending, that's where we're headed.

British Columbia would join The States because it would basically be cut off from the rest of Canada. At one time British Columbia effectively ran all the way down to the California border. Much of their commerce goes in a southern direction now rather than northward or to the east. The smaller provinces on the east coast would fall to America by default. Once a country starts disintegrating the process feeds on itself.

OMG what are you basing this on..
Have you been to BC?
Do you know what most BC'er thing of you Americans
I think not or you would not have this opinion. WE look to the US as a headache of people who only whine about their government, their medical coverage, and the immigrants coming in..and do nothing to fix it (kind of like sheep).
You guys are more rude and intolerant of other people if they are different from you.
Yes I have been in the US and I see how you guys treat people and how everyone locks doors, hardly knows their neighbors or even cares to know their neighbours..If it doesn't affect me who cares.
OK enough this is my opinion whether you like it or not but I and a lot more BC'er feel the US can stay the US and leave us the hell alone. We have learned tolerance something most Americans know nothing about..NOT all but some.

I have also a few American friends and families that also see it this way..
But each to their own. I don't fault you guys for your opinions so don't bash me for mine.

I will refrain from discussing anything Canadian if you and your compatriots in turn refrain from discussing anything American. So long as you feel free to discuss American issues I feel free to discuss Canadian issues. So long as Canadians like Shortstuff feel free to make statements like, most Americans are proud of the Iraq War I feel free to make statements concerning the possible breakup of Canada.

Hey go for it talk about canada...you know we love hearing people pop a blood vessel..you are headed there.
Sal makes a lot of good argument and as we are Canadian and live and breathe here I think it stands to reason we might know just a tad bit more then you. Just a tad bit more.
Most Americans support what Bush is doing or you would not have reelected him..Stand to reason we would have that perception. If you hated what Bush was doing you would have kicked his sorry ass out of office. but you didn't.

Perhaps, but with the current policy of spending, that's where we're headed.
No doubt.

You say I was personally insulting to others.No, I didn't. I said you don't even realize how insulting you are to others. When you insult an entire country and it's people that is insulting 'others'. I don't think you personally insulted anyone until you told Sal to STFU.How so? I was posting about a possible future for Canada. You seem to think that is pompous.No, Frogger, if all you did was speculate about a possible future for Canada I would not think that is pompous. But I do think it's pompous of you to tell Canadians (who actually live in Canada) what will happen in their country because you know that Quebec will secede and that the rest of the country will probably disintegrate, joining the United States as it does. I also think it's incredibly pompous of you to lecture Oldtimer (who actually lives in Canada) about Canadian geography and the concerns of people in various provinces.People here discuss lots of possible futures. Are you accusing all those posters of pomposity or is it only me because I posited a future you might not like.No. I am saying you are pompous because you are. This is not the first time and I doubt it will be the last time you have personally insulted me.Sure, Frogger. Pretend it's a one-way street you poor abused little man, see how far that gets you. I guess it is lucky for me that I really don't much give a shit what you think of me. In my opinion you are just a tacky little poster who pops up every once in awhile to take pot shots. I see very little of substance that you add to any discussion.That's probably because most discussions I have with you end up with me proving you wrong. Again.You predict that Canadians will unify on the single point that they never want to be Americans. You have no problem with making that prerdiction. Yet you have a problem with my prediction that some of the provinces will secede from Canada and become part of the United States. Why is that?I don't have a problem with you making a speculative prediction.

Are you through beating that straw man yet?If you want uniformity of opinion and don't like arguments perhaps you should find a board more suited to your taste. This is a board in which people of varying and disparate opinions discuss the issues of the day. There will always be differences of opinion and arguments. Maybe a site dealing with baking tips would be more to your taste.Looks like the sarcasm went completely over your head the last time I responded to this. I will speak more plainly: telling me I should leave allForums makes you look like the one who is afraid of an argument.

It is like in the US everyone (OK most fly their American flag proudly...no big deal), but if a Mexican or German or any other nationality flies their flag proudly they are deemed unpatriotic..

No, Shortstuff, it is when they fly the German or Mexican flag in place or in lieu of the American flag that they are deemed unpatriotic. The flying of the Mexican flag being deemed unpatriotic was in the context of that flag being flown during demonstrations by Mexican Americans who were petitioning the American government and people to act a certain way. They were identifying themselves as Mexicans rather than as Americans.


Frogger I will say this slooooowly, the FEDERAL government has jurisdiction over the provinces.


Sal, I will say just as sloooooowly, the provinces have a legal right to secede from the Federation.

We can afford to be so cheap because we mind our own business.


You can afford to spend only 6.8% on defense because you depend on the United States to protect you.

Sal makes a lot of good argument and as we are Canadian and live and breathe here I think it stands to reason we might know just a tad bit more then you. Just a tad bit more.

I have been reading your posts for a long time and I doubt you know a tad bit more about anything than any poster. You are the one who posted the idiotic statement that most Americans are proud we are in a war in Iraq.

No, I didn't. I said you don't even realize how insulting you are to others. When you insult an entire country and it's people that is insulting 'others'. I don't think you personally insulted anyone until you told Sal to STFU.


I speculated a possible future for Canada, Sedan, one in which various provinces decide to secede from the country. I didn’t make up this scenario. There have been secession votes in the past and there has been talk about secession in the past. As for the STFU icon, I took it right off the group of accepted icons found in Allforums. I am not the first person to use that particular icon and if it shouldn’t be used it shouldn’t be included among those available for use.

But I do think it's pompous of you to tell Canadians (who actually live in Canada) what will happen in their country because you know that Quebec will secede and that the rest of the country will probably disintegrate, joining the United States as it does. I also think it's incredibly pompous of you to lecture Oldtimer (who actually lives in Canada) about Canadian geography and the concerns of people in various provinces.

I didn’t lecture Oldphart about Canadian geography, and I have every right to discuss the concerns of people in various provinces. Perhaps if you were a bit more interested in what is going on in our neighbor to the north you would know that the issue of oil sands revenues is one being discussed by Albertans. My discussing that issue or other Canadian issues is no different than Canadians discussing American issues. If you are of the opinion that only Canadians can discuss Canadian issues I guess you are also of the opinion that only Americans can discuss American issues. Perhaps you should inform Sal, Shortstuff, Oldphart and Paul that they should no longer discuss American issues.

That's probably because most discussions I have with you end up with me proving you wrong. Again.

You have yet to prove me wrong on any issue, including this one.

I don't have a problem with you making a speculative prediction.

Ah, but you do. I was discussing the issue of the possible breakup of Canada and you had a big problem with that.

Looks like the sarcasm went completely over your head the last time I responded to this.

Maybe you should practice your sarcasm.

Maybe you should practice your sarcasm.
It works just fine. Sarcastic, ironic, and satirical statements are designed to go over the heads of the linguistically inept. The measure of their worth is not in how well they communicate themselves to their targets, but how well they communicate to bystanders. Frogger, despite all your years as an educator, your linguistic ability rates as merely above average, whereas sedan rates as exceptional. You are in no position to judge his ability, nor of the worth of his sarcasm.

I see you are still here. I would have thought that by now you would be well on your way to running that construction company on the island of Aruba as you had bragged only a short while ago. According to your projection you should have pocketed your first million already.

Since his supposed sarcasm was directed at me I am exactly the one to judge how well it went over. I don't need some pimply faced loser who has once again failed to produce as promised telling me about sarcasm. I've already proven that I have the wherewithal to make it in this world, something you should really start doing. When you become less a loser I will take what you say more to heart.

My, but do you like to brag. Simply put, I have little doubt that someone like you decided to teach, instead of actually doing something. You're the most self-righteous, pompous, judgmental jackass I've ever met, and those are the ones that take to academia like fat kids to cake. It's easy to tell which ones are worthwhile, and which ones couldn't teach a ruler to be straight. It's the ones that never learn a damn thing themselves despite being surrounded on all sides by learning. The ones that think teaching means imposing your will and point of view on your pupils, and the ones that think everyone is their pupil.

You're so quick to trumpet your second home, your easy life, your wine cellar, your trips around the world as proof of your worth. You, Frogger, are a hopelessly insecure man trying to salvage some sense of dignity for your life by trying desperately to make everyone around you look up to you, and you get caustic and demeaning when they rightly refuse to do so.

I'm starting to think maybe it's your wife that affords you your quality of life, and not wise decisions made by yourself. I'm thinking you, yourself, made far worse decisions in your youth than the decisions made by the people you castigate all the time. Yet through luck you managed to come out on top. Now you foolishly attribute that to your own doing.

Now, of course, this is speculation, but I bet many people here would agree that it's far better than the ridiculous notion of most of Canada seceding to run open armed to the US. :rolleyes:

Sorry, Nappy but I don't have a wine cellar. I don't drink. My wife has a nice collection of wine though.

Yep, I have two houses and I do a lot of traveling. I have even been to Aruba, someplace you haven't been to.

I have two homes and am able to travel a lot because unlike you I got an education and a job which I kept. I didn't keep whining about how other, less deserving people got all the breaks as you have constantly done. I worked and I saved. I put off getting lots of things so that I could put away savings. Instead of immediate gratification I chose to make my future more secure. I bought a house, put four kids through college, went to school at night after work and saved as much money as I could. There were few vacations because I worked two jobs and went to school.

Now I am getting the benefits of working two jobs and getting more education. Yes, I have two homes. Yes, my wife and I do a lot of traveling. Yes, I own two cars and my wife owns one. None of those things was given to us. Each of them was earned, earned by long hours of work, earned by depriving ourselves of many things we wanted, earned by going to school at night even when we were tired. My wife worked and went to school nights too. She didn't ask to go out to fancy restaurants or to have a new car. Like me she saved.

I never looked for pie in the sky. I never expected good, high paying jobs to just be handed to me. I prepared myself for my job. I studied, and then I studied some more and then I studied even more. I didn't stop studying once I got my job but continued with my education. I did the same things many of the younger posters here are doing. Borg, Overdose, DarkFantasy and others are going to college. DarkFantasy is still a young girl and she is working toward a bright future. Other posters are steadily working at jobs either with the military or in the private sector. They are doing what men and women do. They are taking care of business. None of them complain about not getting breaks and some of them have had anything but an easy life. It is my sincere hope for each of them that some day their efforts will pay off and they will be able to retire to a nice comfortable life. I even wish that for you but I honestly doubt it will happen unless you stop thinking the world owes you something and start preparing for your future. Get a job and keep it. Don't flit from job to job. You are obviously intelligent so continue your education while working. Go to night school. Take corespondence courses. You have the ability to really be something and the only thing holding you back is you, yourself.

I want more out of life than a safe, comfortable future. I want risk, adventure, great gains, and great losses. I don't want to sacrifice my youth for my middle years. I'm young now, I can enjoy life now. Start a band, travel, strike up conversations with strangers, pick up women, get involved in risky businesses where the only thing keeping it alive is my adaptability, lead people, get involved with their lives, set trends, climb mountains, all of that. What the hell kind of priorities is setting aside your fun, youthful years in favor of dull drudgery so you can enjoy your life when you're getting gray and your joints don't work?

Sorry Frogger, I'm just not wired that way. I think one should enjoy youth while one is young, and work for your future in your late thirties when you feel like settling down. You still have plenty of time to set aside a comfortable nest egg, and your brain is finally mature enough to tackle the task.

I think you were incredibly foolish to waste the best years of your life saving for what you have now. Sure, you enjoy a great life now, but you have nothing to look back on.

Actually, I pity you even more now, than if my earlier speculation were true. None of those things you mentioned, save the second home, are particularly hard to acquire or do, even for one with means similar to my own. I can travel, even frequently, purchase two vehicles, and have a well stocked bar, and I won't have had to have saved a dime to do it. I don't have a second vehicle, simply because I don't need one, I don't own a home because I enjoy the freedom of renting, I don't travel extensively, yet, and I just haven't gotten around to stocking my bar. Sure, it wouldn't be a late model Beamer, racks of vintage wine, and a million dollar beachfront property, but who really needs all that? If that's all you have to show for decades of hardscrabble existence, I think you got a real shitty deal.

You're just showing how little you know, Napsterbater. Sure I have lots of material things but I have things that are much more valuable than that. I have a loving wife, four successful children who have happy marriages, seven grand children.

You seem to think my life wasn't fun because I worked and went to school and saved. I loved my younger days. I had my wife and my young kids. We camped and hiked and fished together. I went to their soccer games and football games and track meets. We sat together at the dinner table each evening. Life was great. Life is still great. I know of too many people who did not save when they were younger and who are barely surviving now that they are no longer working or who haven't been able to retire because they can't afford it. Saving for the future doesn't mean life can't be fun. It is fun being with a loving family, doing things together. It is fun going to work when you know you are doing a good job.

Each stage of my life has been great. When I was a kid I was raised by loving parents who didn't have much money but who did have an abundance of love. After high school I joined the army and I enjoyed that. I was with guys my own age over in Europe without a worry in the world. I had fun during college and I had fun when I was raising my family. Having fun and enjoying life is all about attitude. I always loved what I was doing. I still love what I am doing. Right now I am at my place on Long Island. I love it here and enjoy my time here. Next week I will be in Europe. I will love it and enjoy my time there. Later in the year I will be in Florida and I will love it and enjoyo my time there. I have always loved life. I love it more now though. Once I got cancer I realized just how precious life is. It is something to be savored. I try to make sure that I wake up each morning looking forward to what the day holds whether it is going out to dinner and a movie with my wife, playing a round of golf with my brother or simply mowing the lawn.

If that satisfies you, having a wife and kids, more power to you. I wouldn't want to take away another's happiness. But for me, a young and free male, a wife and kids looks altogether too much like manacles. I can understand wanting that kind of life, many of my friends do, I just don't, at least, not right now. In my mid-late thirties, that's when I think I'll be ready for all that. But not yet.

Back in your day, life was a lot simpler, you had a set path to happiness, with everyone around you helping you reach that goal, kicking you in the ass when you stray. Nowadays, the choices are much greater, the moral support you get much less, the pitfalls more numerous, and fewer decent role models. You have to pick your ideals carefully, because the wrong choice will lead you to a unhappy and unfulfilled life. I see it happen all too often with today's youth. They go out and get that degree, get that spouse, get those kids, just like you did, just like their parents did, just like their parent's parents before them. But instead of living happy, fulfilled lives, they lead empty, boring lives which are ruled by brown-nosing and busy work, with their kids being pulled every which way but the way you want them pulled.

Times have changed, Frogger, and we all need to adapt to change with them. People need to start seeking their own happiness first, before even thinking of getting married to a similarly unhappy person, and then bringing kids into that unhappy coupling. People need to make sure the career field, the life path they chose is the best one for them, before they settle down. The emphasis on productivity, on sacrifice, must take a backseat, because it isn't serving people anymore. You can see it in all areas of the economy, from advertising to management to academia. People have a duty to seek out their own happiness, and to be free of the burden of the previous generation's definition of it.

It's going to take longer for people, involve more false starts, and on the surface look lazy and uninspired, but pushing people into a career and a family before they're ready for it is going to do serious harm to the social order.

I am glad I don't have your dour outlook on life, Napsterbater. How old are you? Somewhere in your twenties, right.

My youngest is still in his twenties. He has a wife and young daughter, a house, two cars and a job where he makes lot and lots of money. He and his wife are very happy. He wasn't one sad person marrying another sad person who brought a sad child into the world. He was a happy person who married another happy person and brought another happy person into the world. The same with my other children who are a bit older than he is but by no means the ancients you seem to think.

The world has not changed as much as you seem to think and the changes that have occured do not necessarily lead to your nihilistic attitude. I didn't have people helping pay my way in life, nor did most of my friends. The people I hung around with were the mainly the children of first generation immigrants, men and women who did not have too much money. I can remember going to a restaurant on very rare occasions as a child and we never, not one single time went on a vacation. My father worked six days a week and sometimes a half day on Sunday. He died when I was twenty six and I was left with the responsibility of raising five younger siblings because of my mother's frail health coupled with the fact that my father could get no life insurance because of a pre-existing heart condition.

Sure some people go out and get a degree and find it isn't worth as much as they thought, some people find themselves in jobs they do not like, some people get into marriages that just don't work. That isn't an excuse to not try, to simply sit back and say, "The world is a tough place and I am just not going to fully engage in it right now. I am going to simply float along until I am in my mid-thirties and then I might start doing something."

Life is like a building. If you don't build a strong foundation you can never build a tall or sturdy building. Those life foundations are built when you are young. They are built by getting an education, by getting a job, by taking on responsibility, not by being a lie-about.

I feel a bit sorry for you because you are going to learn this eventually. I only hope it is sooner rather than later and that you don't wait too long to begin building life's foundation.

Grasshoppers have more fun than ants during the Spring and Summer but when Autumn and Winter come it is the ants who survive.

If you look at the figures on worldwide military spending, you might conclude that Americans are either war-mongering sociopaths intent on world domination, or that we're just extremely paranoid.

The truth is that the US spends more on its military every year than everyone else in the world combined. Staggering when you think about it.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spending.htm
we pay our troops, and equip then to survive and function.

you think up-armored Hummers and Raptors are pricey, wait until you see the final price tag on the Joint Strike Fighter and the Grizzly:thumbs:

Frogger, I agree with you, that it can work, but only partly. I do not believe that building the foundation for one's life should be what you do with your twenties and early thirties. I think that time should be dedicated to experiencing all you can in life. I think its a foolish thing to waste your youth on, no matter what kind of life it affords you in the future. These years are too precious to waste. A person is not mentally suited for all that when they are so young. If your son made a great life doing as you prescribed, more power to him. He probably wouldn't have had much fun living life my way. In my opinion, youth should be used to season your later life, to build a personality, to earn a social conscience. not to directly prepare your economic success. Wasting them away in two jobs only turns them into the bitter longings for wasted youth that your acerbic insults impress upon people.

I speculated a possible future for Canada, Sedan, one in which various provinces decide to secede from the country.You went further than mere speculation -- you asserted that Quebec will in fact secede. I didn’t make up this scenario. There have been secession votes in the past and there has been talk about secession in the past.Believe it or not, Frogger, I am completely aware of this.

However, I don't see why you think this makes you any less pompous. As for the STFU icon, I took it right off the group of accepted icons found in Allforums. I am not the first person to use that particular icon and if it shouldn’t be used it shouldn’t be included among those available for use.I see. It was there so you had to use it.

Honestly, where's your sense of personal responsibility!!? :)I didn’t lecture Oldphart about Canadian geography,Whoops!! Let's stop right there.

First of all it was Oldtimer, not OldPhart.

Second, here's a sample of what you said (keep in mind you are talking to someone who actually lives in Canada:

Alberta is probably the least Canadian of the provinces. It is more like the the area of the U.S. that it is near, freedom loving, a bit wild and politically conservative. Albertans also feel royally screwed by the Federal government. The oil sands are located in Alberta and Albertans rightly feel the majority of oil sands revenues belong to them and not Ottowa. There is a small but growing secessionist movement in the province.


And here's my favorite:

On the east coast Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island are geographically closer to the United States than to the rest of Canada.

You are talking to him as though he's completely ignorant of Canadian politics and geography.

That's why I said you were lecturing him. and I have every right to discuss the concerns of people in various provinces. Perhaps if you were a bit more interested in what is going on in our neighbor to the north you would know that the issue of oil sands revenues is one being discussed by Albertans. My discussing that issue or other Canadian issues is no different than Canadians discussing American issues. If you are of the opinion that only Canadians can discuss Canadian issues I guess you are also of the opinion that only Americans can discuss American issues. Perhaps you should inform Sal, Shortstuff, Oldphart and Paul that they should no longer discuss American issues.What kind of idiot reasoning is this? I never said you don't have a right to an opinion. I never professed an ignorance of Canadian issues, nor have I ever said only Canadians can discuss them. This is a classic Frogger tactic: when you can't argue the point at all just make up some crap and throw it out there, maybe it will stick.You have yet to prove me wrong on any issue, including this one.ROTFLMAO!!!

Excuse me while I get a damp cloth -- I was drinking a pop when I read this. :)I don't have a problem with you making a speculative prediction.Ah, but you do. I was discussing the issue of the possible breakup of Canada and you had a big problem with that.Laughably and demonstrably false. It should be obvious to anyone with marginal or better reading skills that I object to your insulting and pompous behavior, not your politiical theories. You have beaten that straw man to death, I think.Looks like the sarcasm went completely over your head the last time I responded to this.Maybe you should practice your sarcasm.Here's what I said the first time around:

Yes, Frogger. I crave uniformity of opinion and can't stand all these arguments!! :rolleyes:

Try making some sense for once.

Do you see the 'rolleyes' emoticon? I placed it there deliberately to denote sarcasm. Either you didn't see it or chose to ignore it so you could make another BS non-point about nothing.

Thanks for the stupid argument. :rolleyes:

I wee bit touchy,them Canadians are.
I wonder what wood bee of Canadians if Americans Boycotted
their Whisky & Beer.
Years ago,Canada was famous for duty free and cheaper Liquor.
Therefore Americans snuck back their Liquids.
As in the term ... Rumrunner.

Its strange how a discussion about border security with Canada ends up as a name calling and 'we're better than you' debate.
It seems to me that the United States and Canada are two separate identities
and will remain that way for the foreseeable future.

As the border situation dosent effect Canada as much as the US,it will be up to Americans to formulate a plan to protect themselves, as in my opinion,this boundary is more volitile to terrorist entry than the Southern one.

I'VE Said all along we were worrying about the wrong border

Hey, you guys! I've got my hands full chasing Mexican illegals down here. Somebody's gonna have to ante up and take care of the Canadian border. If we ain't careful, we'll be dealing with whole herds of RCMPs stampedeing across Michigan.

;)
SMW

P.S. Mmmmm, RCMPs.

Sedan,

Ho, hum, same old, same old.

Time for you to get a new schtick.

Sedan,

Ho, hum, same old, same old.

Time for you to get a new schtick.
We could say the same about yourself...

And about you, Nappy.

My sctick never gets old. As long as I'm alive, my schtick will never get old. That's because I put it in another dimension. Not only does it never age, but you can't touch it either!

It must be great to have such a high opinion of yourself, Nappy. Too bad you are all potatoes and no meat. Not only is your schtick old, even more sad is the fact that it is just a schtick with nothing to back it up. You tallk like you are some worldly savant handing out pearls of wisdom. The sad fact is you are really just a poor, lost little kid who has never finished any task he has begun.

And you have the same old, tired complaint against me you've been repeating ever since you caught wind of it. Frogger, your intellect is rivaled only by garden tools.

My opinion of you is based on what you yourself have posted about yourself, Nappy.

If my opinion is incorrect, correct it. Tell me that I am wrong and you did complete your tour of duty in the Airforce. Tell me I am wrong and you did complete college. Tell me I am wrong and you have held the same job for a few years duration.

All I can go on is what you have posted about yourself.

If my opinion is incorrect, correct it.
Why should I care? It amuses me that out the nearly six thousand posts I've written, the best you can come up with is that.

I don't know, Napsterbater. Why do you care so much? If I didn't know better I would thnk you were stalking me. For someone who doesn't care you have devoted a lot of time to the topic.

I can't help it, you're like a black hole of idiocy. I correct you, you immediately start foaming at the mouth with amusingly predictable invective. If ever I try to have a civil conversation with you, you get pissed and start up again. I have the greatest of times leading you on into thinking you can best me, then turning around and stomping you. Predictability plus hostility makes great times for Nappy.

Frogger, what Nappy so desperately seeks is approval for his laziness. What he's saying is, "I'm YOUNG. I don't have to think seriously about the rest of my life! This is the time to PLAY and make memories!"

And sure 'nuff, he doesn't have to worry about his future. He's well on his way to becoming a life-long loser.

When he's 50 and finds himself desperately competing for unskilled jobs with a largely Hispanic workforce, he'll remember your words... and wish he had listened.

But until he grows up, you might as well save your breath. He's a prime example of youth being wasted on the young. (Not to mention a rude little bastard who doesn't have enough class to respect his elders.)

SMW

Nappy, you are really hurting my feelings in this thread, even though you are talking to Frogger. I am dedicating myself to making my life better, and I don't feel that my youth is being wasted at all. I've had more unique experiences in life than most people I know who are 5-10 years older than I, but I wish I hadn't had some of them.

I'm glad to be where I am now. I might not be out having any wonderful adventures, but I enjoy being in college and having friends and a social life and a wonderful relationship.

Also, I hate the saying "Those who cannot do, teach." It's absolutely untrue. I want to be a teacher because I think I would absolutely enjoy it. I can think of nothing better than dedicating my life to the pursuit of learning and to helping others learn. I'm 17 and in college with a 4.0 GPA. I have my whole life ahead of me and I can do anything I want to - I am NOT settling for teaching. It's my first choice.

When he's 50 and finds himself desperately competing for unskilled jobs with a largely Hispanic workforce, he'll remember your words... and wish he had listened.

You're right about this, SMW. I have seen my parents struggle all my life, especially my mom, because she is lazy and flighty. She sets more importance on having fun than securing a good life for herself and her children, to the misfortune of my brother and me. I have been dragged all over the country and even out of the country while she chases her vague and unplanned dreams, sometimes nearly going hungry. It's NOT a life I want for my children.

Frogger, what Nappy so desperately seeks is approval for his laziness. What he's saying is, "I'm YOUNG. I don't have to think seriously about the rest of my life! This is the time to PLAY and make memories!"

And sure 'nuff, he doesn't have to worry about his future. He's well on his way to becoming a life-long loser.

When he's 50 and finds himself desperately competing for unskilled jobs with a largely Hispanic workforce, he'll remember your words... and wish he had listened.

But until he grows up, you might as well save your breath. He's a prime example of youth being wasted on the young. (Not to mention a rude little bastard who doesn't have enough class to respect his elders.)

SMW
Well, well, well, look what my brilliance drug in. Do you have anything new to say? Or are you still sitting around wondering why every man in your life runs for the hills after listening to you for three seconds? I've flushed cockroaches down my toilet that were more interesting than you.

Good post, DF. And may I add that you may be younger than Nappy in years, but you're eons ahead of him in maturity. Teaching has always been a noble profession... and always will be. Stay on the path you've chosen and many doors will be open to you for the rest of your life. You're not missing out on anything. You're gaining much more experience than Nappy ever will... in things that count.

;)
SMW

Nappy, you are really hurting my feelings in this thread, even though you are talking to Frogger. I am dedicating myself to making my life better, and I don't feel that my youth is being wasted at all. I've had more unique experiences in life than most people I know who are 5-10 years older than I, but I wish I hadn't had some of them.
They're not all going to be wonderful, I don't know where you got that idea from. What they do is make you a more interesting and personable individual, the good and the bad. I'd rather listen to someone who got half of life wrong and half right, would look up to him more, and want to hang around him more than someone who has the ridiculous notion that they got it all right in life.

The great thing about what you're doing is that you want to do it, whole-heartedly. You're not half-assing your desire to become educated. I see so many kids these days that are half-assing it, it's not even funny. You've lived the shit life, now you want the good. If you weren't one hundred percent for college, education and teaching, I'd have less respect for you. But you do, and I don't have anything bad to say about it.

Frogger on the other hand, probably just couldn't find anything he was good at more than yelling at students.

You're right about this, SMW. I have seen my parents struggle all my life, especially my mom, because she is lazy and flighty. She sets more importance on having fun than securing a good life for herself and her children, to the misfortune of my brother and me. I have been dragged all over the country and even out of the country while she chases her vague and unplanned dreams, sometimes nearly going hungry. It's NOT a life I want for my children.
Please don't project your mother's problems on me. I have no kids to support, and if I did, I would support them, without question.

Teaching has always been a noble profession... and always will be.
It most certainly is, but let me leave a quote by the late Mark Twain.

"Never let schooling interfere with your education."

They're not all going to be wonderful, I don't know where you got that idea from. What they do is make you a more interesting and personable individual, the good and the bad. I'd rather listen to someone who got half of life wrong and half right, would look up to him more, and want to hang around him more than someone who has the ridiculous notion that they got it all right in life.

The great thing about what you're doing is that you want to do it, whole-heartedly. You're not half-assing your desire to become educated. I see so many kids these days that are half-assing it, it's not even funny. You've lived the shit life, now you want the good. If you weren't one hundred percent for college, education and teaching, I'd have less respect for you. But you do, and I don't have anything bad to say about it.
You say this, but I don't understand why you are constantly berating education, teachers, college, people who get a college education... And as far as my mother, what would you do if you got a girl pregnant? Do you think you could just instantly get a great, well-paying job? If you didn't like it would you quit? What if your child's happiness depended on you making some sacrifices? With no experience at sticking with things and no education, how would you support a child?

I can support a child with the money I make now. I already have a great, well-paying job, that I enjoy doing, that I could keep doing indefinately. If I had to make sacrifices to support a child I would do it, no questions and no complaints. One of my friends supports three kids off of the same job I do, and he gets paid the same as me, and his wife doesn't work. I would have to work more hours than I do, but I wouldn't mind.

Children are one of those things in life that really shape up a person. I do not want a child right now, but I wouldn't turn it away if I got handed one by fate. My sister just got pregnant, and her boyfriend has been messing around with his twenties just like me, only even longer. They now live together with my mom, and he's about to join the Navy. I'm ahead of him, I don't have to join the Navy to support a child.

Well, well, well, look what my brilliance drug in. Do you have anything new to say? Or are you still sitting around wondering why every man in your life runs for the hills after listening to you for three seconds? I've flushed cockroaches down my toilet that were more interesting than you.

Speaking of things being flushed down the toilet, what happened to your fabulous job in Aruba, Nap? You said you were leaving last Mon or Tues? I suppose they decided to just skip the tile laying part and go ahead and promote you to CEO, eh?

:lolhit:

I told them to hold off on sending me because I knew that if I stuck around a little longer, idiots like you would keep saying the same thing over and over whenever I step into a thread. They laughed at my brilliance, gave me a raise, told me they'd pay me even though I'm not there, and to take as much time as I wanted.

Good post, DF. And may I add that you may be younger than Nappy in years, but you're eons ahead of him in maturity. Teaching has always been a noble profession... and always will be. Stay on the path you've chosen and many doors will be open to you for the rest of your life. You're not missing out on anything. You're gaining much more experience than Nappy ever will... in things that count.

;)
SMW

I'm purdy Mature too y'nose.!

You two just crack me up, lol!

Well, well, well, look what my brilliance drug in. Do you have anything new to say? Or are you still sitting around wondering why every man in your life runs for the hills after listening to you for three seconds? I've flushed cockroaches down my toilet that were more interesting than you.

hay...You can't talk to Me gal like dat,and expect to Post
mush besides drivel fer awhile.
You'd better watch the back sass thar Bub.
Er else I'll figger a way for you to mandatorily Go To Vegas.
Like it or knowed.

ROFL!! SMW's knight in old, saggy armor! Don't point that shrivelly sword all over the place, you might poke someone's eye out!

Darkfantasy,

I might come down a bit hard on you sometimes but I want you to know that I really respect what you are doing with your life. You were handed nothing and have taken life by the scruff of the neck and made it meet you on your terms.

Don't let Napsterbater get to you. You are everything he is not. You can see what has to be done in order to be successful in life. He can't.

You are willing to work hard to get ahead. He is not.

You see the value of a good education. He does not.

In short, you are mature for your age. He is not.

All Napsterbater can do is attempt to insult those who value hard work and planning. It somehow validates his lifestyle in which he just floats through life expecting it to someday be great even though he does nothing to make it so.

Keep doing what you are doing and one day you will pass Napsterbater on a streetcorner and out of the kindness of your heart drop a dollar into his tin cup.

I told them to hold off on sending me because I knew that if I stuck around a little longer, idiots like you would keep saying the same thing over and over whenever I step into a thread. They laughed at my brilliance, gave me a raise, told me they'd pay me even though I'm not there, and to take as much time as I wanted.


Better keep that good paying courier job, Nappy. Although I can't for the life of me figure out how you post all day and get anything delivered!

Aruba was another of your far-fetched schemes that will never materialize. Why not just admit it now and get it over with? It won't be the first lie you've made up around here... and I'm sure it won't be the last.

:rolleyes:
SMW

Obviously someone hears,a certain someone using Idiom,as
if delievered by backhoe,wasn't privy to Ethos,in his Education.
The key mark of a good school is The building of character.
Catholic schools,try hard to deliever on that ideal.
A certain someone,tries hard to AVOID,said character.

" Nothing,I will declare,goes further towards a man's liberation
than the act of surviving his need for character. "
-- John Ciardi {American Poet,editor}

Better keep that good paying courier job, Nappy. Although I can't for the life of me figure out how you post all day and get anything delivered!

Aruba was another of your far-fetched schemes that will never materialize. Why not just admit it now and get it over with? It won't be the first lie you've made up around here... and I'm sure it won't be the last.

:rolleyes:
SMW


Smartmouthwoman,

It doesn't take all that long to deliver those newspapers on his route so Nappy has lots of time to post here. I'll bet some of his customers tip him pretty well too. Too bad some other customers stiff him. The life of a paper boy isn't easy you know.

Smartmouthwoman,

It doesn't take all that long to deliver those newspapers on his route so Nappy has lots of time to post here. I'll bet some of his customers tip him pretty well too. Too bad some other customers stiff him. The life of a paper boy isn't easy you know.

Hay.I was a paper boy.In me 8th grade.
Made all of $3.50 a week.It took almost an hour a day to
deliever those papers.
Being a paper boy builds character.

Not in every case, Fooly. You aren't still a paper boy. If you were I would say it failed to build character. When people grow up they act grown up. Some want to keep acting like little kids and not accept responsibility.

It must be great to have such a high opinion of yourself, Nappy.


BwaaahahaHAAA!!


*chortle snort*



*guffaw*

Oh my! Coming from the likes of YOU, this is rich. :banana:

Thanks for the laugh to start out my day, Frogger!

Anything to make you happy, Fran. It must get a bit gloomy there in the Alzheimer's wing of the hospital every once in awhile.

And as far as my mother, what would you do if you got a girl pregnant? Do you think you could just instantly get a great, well-paying job?
No. Like me, he'd probably just kick her down a stairwell.

Anything to make you happy, Fran. It must get a bit gloomy there in the Alzheimer's wing of the hospital every once in awhile.

Oooh. In attempt to imply that I have lost my mind. Very painful. I'm crushed, Frogger. CRUSHED.

* crawls into a corner and weeps that she isn't as rich, well-traveled, smart, rich, worldly, smart, rich, brilliant, wealthy, wise, all seeing, and oh, did I mention rich? as the all-knowing and all-powerful Frogger *

:rolleyes:

Actually, it is sort of overcast and damp here today - no problem, though; I don't mind drizzly days. I'm getting a nice massage in a few hours and dropping off some eggs and heirloom tomatoes for one of my veggie clients. After that the day is mine. I'll be putting the finishing touches on the new fencing for the chicken yard (the new coop is finished and perfect!), pulling up some of the last stragglers from the veggie garden and feeding them to the birds, picking the last of the apples from the tree in the front yard to make a nice French apple pie (made one last week and it was GREAT), and maybe taking an afternoon nap.

Life is goooood here in the Alzheimer's wing. :cool: How are things in the Self-Important Jackass wing?

Sounds good Fran,any vacancies.

Border security is a lot stronger then it used to be..
Between the US and Canada it was basically open door policy. Since 9/11 and other such events Both US and Canada have taken a hard ass approach.
To go over the border into the US now if driving you can still cross without your passport but it is up to the discretion of the border patrol. To fly you have to have your passport..no if buts or ands on that one.
Even crossing by vehicle is a process now. If you have a passport it is much more smoother of a transition.
My brother was going to drive my car (registered to me) when I was going to fly to SLC..I also had to have my passport and visiting visa to got there...
Well he got to the border and he had his passport but my car..They detained him at the border for a very long time. They made him park and wait...then after a few hours they came out and checked my car over and then they finally let him cross the border.
So the crossing of the border is not as lax as some may think.

After August 2006 and the incident in the UK..Going to and from there you were not allowed your purses on the plan or back pack and a few other things...You were allowed a wallet style item to keep your passport and info in. Not sure how strict it is now but that was the case for a long while in the UK

What kind of chickens do you raise, Fran?

When I was a kid we had 4,700 of them, mainly Rhode Island Reds, Plymouth Rocks and Black Jersey Giants with a few Bantams and a couple of Auricanas.


This was a great year for both apples and pears. I have been giving away both by the bushel.

* crawls into a corner and weeps that she isn't as rich, well-traveled, smart, rich, worldly, smart, rich, brilliant, wealthy, wise, all seeing, and oh, did I mention rich? as the all-knowing and all-powerful Frogger *

That's okay Fran. I know you do the best you can with what God has given you. I'll think of you and the nursing home when I am in Europe.:lolhit:

Not in every case, Fooly. You aren't still a paper boy. If you were I would say it failed to build character. When people grow up they act grown up. Some want to keep acting like little kids and not accept responsibility.

I don't see how being a paper boy in one's Youth,could possibly
be a negative.Unless one wants to cat burglar,as a Career.

No. Like me, he'd probably just kick her down a stairwell.
*snort* Lot's of rock salt.

For the record, I'm a low voltage electrical installer. I kicked the courier job months ago. Just wasn't making me any money.

For the record, I'm a low voltage electrical installer. I kicked the courier job months ago. Just wasn't making me any money.

My question is ... Who the hell is yer " pic " of.?
I keep thinkin ... Brendan Fraser.

My question is ... Who the hell is yer " pic " of.?
Who the hell do you think?

For the record, I'm a low voltage electrical installer.
For what - like intercoms and shit? Some Malibu lighting, perhaps??? Trust me, I did my fair share of that when I was your age. Personally, I hated it.

On that note, my inner-blue-collar side always enjoyed working on cars. With an ice-cold Bud Light in hand, of course. :)

Wow,American cars go on Bud lite.
What a country.

Wow,American cars go on Bud lite.
What a country.
I've never worked on an American car in my life :) (Well, at one point in time, I did own a Jeep Wrangler with a 4-liter straight 6 - not that I ever worked on it....)

A 4 litre straight 6,shit,youd need a 'gas tanker' following ya around driving that brut.

A 4 litre straight 6,shit,youd need a 'gas tanker' following ya around driving that brut.
That's small here, Paul.

My dad drives a 6 liter V-8 (400 bhp), a 6 liter, bi-turbo V-12 (600 bhp), and a 5.4 liter V-8 (325 bhp). Costs anywhere from 65 to 100 bucks apiece to fill 'em up. Welcome to America. :D

A 6 litre V12. Thats amazing.Any wonder you guys use a quarter the worlds oil.
Obviously theres a macho thing with cars,everywhere,but I seen a Ford concept car that was electric on TV recently,fucking fantastic looking.

For what - like intercoms and shit? Some Malibu lighting, perhaps??? Trust me, I did my fair share of that when I was your age. Personally, I hated it.

On that note, my inner-blue-collar side always enjoyed working on cars. With an ice-cold Bud Light in hand, of course. :)
We do structured wiring like phone and video, security systems, whole-house audio, home automation, home theater, all of that. I love it. My brain and body need activity. To be holed up in some tiny office, bored half the time, would drive me insane.

Who the hell do you think?
No kidding! To be compared to Brendan Fraser, though... I guess I do look a little like him.

To be holed up in some tiny office, bored half the time, would drive me insane.
Jesus - I hear that. Speaking of which, I gotta get to work... :)

A 6 litre V12. Thats amazing.
Of course, not everyone in America owns one of those (it's German), but we do have a lot of gas hogs on the road. I love my dad's 12 cylinder, though - it hauls nuts.

Jesus - I hear that. Speaking of which, I gotta get to work... :)
Dude, my boss is the most badass cat I've ever met. The guy bought me a rum and coke on my job interview. Their office is next door to a bar, and they get half of their business done in either spot. He pays me a solid $500 a month for my truck and fuel on top of my $12 hourly wage. I can pretty much set my own schedule, and nobody cares if I'm an hour or so late to work. Not that I make a habit of it, mind you, but it's nice to have. It's seriously the best job I've ever had. And I've been there for like five months now.

$12 an hour dosent sound much man.
Out of the $500 do you pay for fuel,insurance and wear and tear?

$12 an hour dosent sound much man.
Out of the $500 do you pay for fuel,insurance and wear and tear?
He said his boss pays for his fuel.

It puts food on the table, pays the rent and utilities, and affords me exactly the kind of lifestyle I want. The $500 is more than enough for all that. When I worked as a courier, they gave me a fraction of what I was putting in my gas tank every week. I had to make up the rest out of my commissions. Here, most days I just drive to work and back, sometimes I have to go pick up and drop off wire. I get more mileage than average, but not an insane amount like courier work.

I would have thought that a company like that would have a store with wire and tubing or they would figure out how much they would need approx while pricing a job,a well,different strokes in different countries I guess.

That's why they call it "approximate", Paul.

yeah yeah,I know,these guys usually know their stuff tho,wouldnt wanna sent Nap down to Wire r Us every fucking day thats for sure.

Nah, we're subcontractors, all a general contractor has to do to get us on a job site is tell us when and where. We'll get out there, wire the house up then we'll send them an invoice. The office is for sales purposes, we have a sweet AV rig in there with a huge projector screen, a plasma TV, and a rack stereo system. For wiring, we charge by square foot, and for any extras they want. We don't make a shit ton of money on that, but we don't lose any, either. Our money is in selling high end audio, video, security systems.

yeah yeah,I know,these guys usually know their stuff tho,wouldnt wanna sent Nap down to Wire r Us every fucking day thats for sure.
They don't care - the customer pays for it, not them. "Quotes" are usually nebulous, at best.

Right,got it now.

Our money is in selling high end audio, video, security systems.
Has the current market affected your sales? Judging from your employer's generosity, I'd say no.

yeah yeah,I know,these guys usually know their stuff tho,wouldnt wanna sent Nap down to Wire r Us every fucking day thats for sure.
I find myself there at least three times a week, sometimes twice a day. They're only paying me twelve bucks an hour, so it doesn't take a whole lot out of the bottom line. We all take hour long lunches and get paid for it, take our time getting into work, and nobody cares because we all get the job done, most cases before deadline. That's the important thing. I don't like to sit around, and work slow. When I'm there, I bust my ass. Hell, by the end of the weekend I get depressed because of the lack of strenuous activity. Am considering a gym membership to fix that little problem.

Has the current market affected your sales? Judging from your employer's generosity, I'd say no.
Everybody else out here is slowing down, we're still busy as hell. We hired three new people last week, I'm gonna find myself training them. One's leaving though.

Nah, we're subcontractors, all a general contractor has to do to get us on a job site is tell us when and where. We'll get out there, wire the house up then we'll send them an invoice. The office is for sales purposes, we have a sweet AV rig in there with a huge projector screen, a plasma TV, and a rack stereo system. For wiring, we charge by square foot, and for any extras they want. We don't make a shit ton of money on that, but we don't lose any, either. Our money is in selling high end audio, video, security systems.

So what's the real truth about expensive ultra high-end speaker
wire.Monster cable has always been around a $2 bucks a foot.
I think it's been a dollar a foot fopr some time at circuit city.
But there's audiophile hook up speaker wire that runs in
the $300-600 dollar range for like 2 {20ft.length}.
I heard it really doesn't make a difference.
But I think the lower Hz { below 30 Hertz } has better bass.
I have good speakers and my brother has like 4 stereo systems.
All his are top end.
I have good main speakers though.Definitive Technnology BP-20's.
They handle under 20 hz.w/o any problem.

That ultra high end wire is trash, not worth the fancy gold plating and all that. But there's a huge difference between the 80c a foot trash you buy off the roll at circuit city and the Honeywell wire we use. We sometimes use expensive HD cable, but only for short runs, say, to a projector. The Honeywell wire we buy in boxes of a thousand feet and it runs $87 for coax $71 for CAT5E. The speaker wire we use is 16 guage, two and four conductor, and it runs $54 and $113 respectively, for 500 feet. I have no idea how much wire we actually use for a house, we don't keep records that good.

That ultra high end wire is trash, not worth the fancy gold plating and all that. But there's a huge difference between the 80c a foot trash you buy off the roll at circuit city and the Honeywell wire we use. We sometimes use expensive HD cable, but only for short runs, say, to a projector. The Honeywell wire we buy in boxes of a thousand feet and it runs $87 for coax $71 for CAT5E. The speaker wire we use is 16 guage, two and four conductor, and it runs $54 and $113 respectively, for 500 feet. I have no idea how much wire we actually use for a house, we don't keep records that good.

Honeywell...eh.Well it's not surprising.That good old fashioned
American brands Like Honeywell and Motorola are still tested Tough.
Used in more applications than one wood tink.
Motorola makes tough cable boxes and phone stuff.
I wonder who still makes an ALL american TV.probably no one.
Curtis Mathis were expensive and had no appeal.
The japs cornered the market on transistors and TV's scores ago.

I would say it's probably impossible to build a television these days and know exactly where all your parts come from. We sell a high-end Marantz plasma screen, but many of our customers spring for the bargain basement Brandsmart and just have us hang them up. *shrugs* Marantz was founded in New York, but it's headquartered in Tokyo.

I would say it's probably impossible to build a television these days and know exactly where all your parts come from. We sell a high-end Marantz plasma screen, but many of our customers spring for the bargain basement Brandsmart and just have us hang them up. *shrugs* Marantz was founded in New York, but it's headquartered in Tokyo.

I was a budding Audiophile as a youth.Built my own 30 watt
Heathkit amp as a frosh in High School.I also assembled the speaker.
It had a Jensen exponential horn and an 8" woofer.
A good reliable and sound crossover unit.
I used it throughout my years in BOTH High school and college.
I replaced the woofer once.
I remember Matrantz in college.They came out with a HUGE,I mean
the First BIG Receiver.Maybe 60 watts.Then quickly 80.
They were hot and most audio guys wanted one.My older brother
got one.I remember,years later,many GI's bought them on tour
in Germany.I guess after the Marantz thrill wore off andf they
OVERproduced units,they flooded the Euro market,Of course those
units were 220 volt and had to be converted.
Those Marantz Receivers were Big and quite impressive.
I can't remember what out marketed them.Maybe it was the
QUAD phase.Everyone wanted Quad units.Which were basic piece
of shit.

They handle under 20 hz.w/o any problem.
What does it matter - you can't hear it?