After years of "We have a plan". The truth comes out.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070927/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_debate_18

Richardson is an asshole.. I want him to get the nod just to see how he actually plans to do it

It is refreshing to see, at least some of them, being truthful. But electing Richardson, for any reason, would be a colossal blunder.

It would be unwise for any of them to make sweeping promises at this time.
That smells like a setup.
Richardson is really running for Vice President anyway.

Richardson is really running for Vice President anyway.

supper true.... but i see edwards getting the tap.

supper true.... but i see edwards getting the tap.

Edwards is the best candidate running (which I expect all the people who would never vote for any Democrat will try to mock) and the most electable.

But the Conservative corporate media is determined that the Democrats should run either the woman or the black guy because that is what the Republicans want most.

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Edwards is the best candidate running (which I expect all the people who would never vote for any Democrat will try to mock) and the most electable.

But the Conservative corporate media is determined that the Democrats should run either the woman or the black guy because that is what the Republicans want most.

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Well dont get me wrong... it would definitely be in my best interests for Hilary or obama to run... or even both! (obama would be riding bitch)
Edwards can hope that if obama gets the nod Hilary is too proud to serve as VP,and if Hilary wins obama decided to work on his congressional carear that is off to a great start...

Anyone who thinks he can make any guarantees on Iraq is guaranteed to be wrong.

:rolleyes:

"I believe demolishing Hussein's military power and liberating Iraq would be a cakewalk." - Ken Adelman

"They're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency." - Dick Cheney

"Two days ahead of schedule, the world witnessed the arrival of a free and sovereign Iraq." - Dick Cheney


"I don't do quagmires." - Don Rumsfeld

Anyone who thinks he can make any guarantees on Iraq is guaranteed to be wrong.

I disagree.

If Mr Bush promised to keep the troops there, (as he will) and also that many more of them will be killed (which he ought to admit), I would say there is a near 100% chance he'd deliver on that 'promise'.

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I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here, but you did help to illustrate my point with those quotes. Thank you.

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here, but you did help to illustrate my point with those quotes. Thank you.

You are welcome. That was exactly what I was saying.

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So 'we need to change course' has morphed to 'we need to change course, we don't know what that new course should be, if we figure it out we'll let you know'.

Astounding. On one of the defining issues they acknowledge they don't have a clue. And idiots object to the accusation that their opposition to iraq is strictly political.:rolleyes:

But the Conservative corporate media is determined that the Democrats should run either the woman or the black guy because that is what the Republicans want most.

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Doesn't this beleif in predestinatin belong in the religious forum?

Doesn't this beleif in predestinatin belong in the religious forum?


Predestination? Hell, I thought he was saying the Republicans were going to select the Democratic Party ticket.

And idiots object to the accusation that their opposition to iraq is strictly political.:rolleyes:

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

I mean, who cares if hundreds of thousands of people, thousands of young American men among them, are being killed for nothing.......the only possible motivation is "let's get B*sh".

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Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

I mean, who cares if hundreds of thousands of people, thousands of young American men among them, are being killed for nothing.......the only possible motivation is "let's get B*sh".

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Oh please. "thousands of young American men among them". You made your feeling for Americans very clear, already. Now you want to act like they matter, to you?

You're worse than the politicians you continually deride.

It is refreshing to see, at least some of them, being truthful. But electing Richardson, for any reason, would be a colossal blunder.

I like Richardson,and he's THE most experienced in Foreign Policy.
Hillary,The Calculating,Manipulating SHREW of all Political Shrews,
wood Literally turn this Country Topsy-Turvy if Elected.
She stands for NOTHING,except her own Power and Socialism.
But I can see why BUsh and Rove wanna push her as the
Frontrunner.Even Newt.She'll never be Popular;like hubby.
She has THE Highest Negatives,ever Polled.Which means,More people
have a Negative opinion of her,than any other feature.
Hillary Should Never make it as President.
She's way to Impersonal and unlikely.
Her BiG schtick now,is NOT answering Hypotheticals,regardless if
questions are real or NO.
Hillary only answers those questions when and how she feels
like it.What a Shrewish,little Prissy Brat.
The Military will never buy her personality.
I keep going back to last year and even the year before,when
Hillary was constantly being asked if she'll run for President.
She casually dismissed the notion and acted like she was determined
to fullfill her Senatorial duties.Which was a BiG fat lie.
She got elected to the Senate on the Pledge of more than 200,ooo
jobs for upstate New Yorkers.As a Junior Senator,she LOST. Jobs
in Upstate New York.
She NOW acts like her Party's Nominee is unquestionably Her.
Not even - The Great Dictator - {1940} Charlie Chaplain,could
diminish the office of Presidency,as Hillarously as Hillary the Shrew.

I think the Democrats have adjusted their stance here.
Not that long ago,when they were all lined up on CNN,when asked about troop withdrawl from Iraq,the general consensus was,''we'll pull them out'',
now after some sensible thought put to the matter,its,''phased withdrawl''.
Tho last nite,the woman and the black guy both said as much as 'wait and see',so I dont think the Democrats have an Iraq Policy,they are simply 'playing to the crowd'.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

I mean, who cares if hundreds of thousands of people, thousands of young American men among them, are being killed for nothing.......the only possible motivation is "let's get B*sh".

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Then let the democrats say that, and not hide behind the 'we have a better way' nonsense when in fact they don't.

So 'we need to change course' has morphed to 'we need to change course, we don't know what that new course should be, if we figure it out we'll let you know'.

Nonsense.
They have all laid out more specific plans than that, especially Biden, but you refuse to acknowledge that because it doesn't fit into your political agenda.

And they are all better than the Republicans' "plan" of "stay the course".

:rolleyes:

I disagree.

If Mr Bush promised to keep the troops there, (as he will) and also that many more of them will be killed (which he ought to admit), I would say there is a near 100% chance he'd deliver on that 'promise'.


The only promise the democrats can fulfill is that if they get into power we will lose the war, that is for certain. Remember, the fastest way to end a war is to lose it.

The only promise the democrats can fulfill is that if they get into power we will lose the war, that is for certain. Remember, the fastest way to end a war is to lose it.

We already won the "war" in Iraq a long time ago.

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no we didnt. as long as there are men in the field it is a war, lets get that straight

The whole Iraq thing now is a face saving exercise,nothing more.
How do you get out of Iraq,and still look like it was a success?
That is the question.

no we didnt. as long as there are men in the field it is a war, lets get that straight

ok, lets get this straight.
Sorry, but we did win the war years ago.
We took out Saddam's government and set up a new one in its place, which were our goals.

What we have now is merely a military occupation.
You cannot "win" an occupation. That is ridiculous.

Ending all crime and sectarian violence in Iraq is a police matter, and isn't something we can wage "war" against.

The whole Iraq thing now is a face saving exercise,nothing more.
How do you get out of Iraq,and still look like it was a success?
That is the question.

I predict they will wait till closer to the election and then simply declare "victory" and make a big show of cycling a few troops out. The Republicans have always intended that we maintain a permanent presence in Iraq, because as Alan Greenspan pointed out, Iraq has always been about control of oil.

Nonsense.
They have all laid out more specific plans than that, especially Biden, but you refuse to acknowledge that because it doesn't fit into your political agenda.

And they are all better than the Republicans' "plan" of "stay the course".

:rolleyes:

What's hillary's specific plan? How about Edwards's specific plan? Richardson. Dodd and Kucinich have 'plans' which everyone understands is unworkable. Hook us up with the link on their websites which talks about their "plan's"

Ending all crime and sectarian violence in Iraq is a police matter, and isn't something we can wage "war" against.

and since in your mind the police are just as bad if not worse then the military I guess we are screwed, or they are.

and since in your mind the police are just as bad if not worse then the military I guess we are screwed, or they are.

We are both screwed... thanks to the arrogance and madness of the American Republicans.

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yes, what a glorious world we would have if there were no republicans. Just htink, no one would b there to criticize you. when you invited your mortal enemies to your country to berate you. You could let Al Qeada into the UN to air their grievences. The glorious nation of Palestine would breed art and beauty and bring cures to cancer and AIDS that has been suppresed for so long by the republican lead zionists.

The Republicans are the only ones with a stated goal of one-party rule. Remember Rove's "100 year Republican majority"?

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The whole Iraq thing now is a face saving exercise,nothing more.
How do you get out of Iraq,and still look like it was a success?
That is the question.

Not really.It's an Investment.Plus progress in being made.
al-Qaeda is dramatically weakened.Factions are starting to
wear down their dire need to destroy each other.
Like Greenspan said,If unchecked Saddam would have managed
with his Oil fields to Dominate the Middle East,and the flow of oil
thru the Straight of Hormoz,thereby guaranteeing strife and
conflict over oil and stability in that Region.

You mean as compared to now,
where the US backed Iraqi gov manage the oil fields,
the United States dominates the middle east,
and the flow of oil thru the straits of Hormuz is protected by
a carrier group out of Norfolk or San Diego.

If unchecked Saddam would have managed
with his Oil fields to Dominate the Middle East,and the flow of oil
thru the Straight of Hormoz,thereby guaranteeing strife and
conflict over oil and stability in that Region.

but the caribou would be safe!