Yes! We have no homosexuals ... (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/24/us.iran/index.html)

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Columbia University President Lee Bollinger excoriated Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Monday, going through a long list of documented actions and remarks by the firebrand Iranian leader and his government.

"Mr. President, you exhibit all the signs of a petty and cruel dictator," Bollinger said to applause from many of the 600 people in the room for a speech from the Iranian leader.
Bollinger cited the Iranian government's "brutal crackdown" on dissidents, public executions, executions of minors and other actions.
And he assailed Ahmadinejad's "denying" of the Holocaust as "ridiculous" and "dangerous propaganda." He called the Iranian leader either brazenly provocative "or astonishingly uneducated."
"The truth is that the Holocaust is the most documented event in human history," he said.
...
Asked about widely documented government abuse of women and homosexuals in his country, Ahmadinejad said, "We don't have homosexuals" in Iran. "I don't know who told you we had it," he said.

:upyours:

I had seriously thought that the students of Columbia could be a bit, or actually, a lot more objective in their response to Ahamdinejad. Since I was not able to attend the event, I can't tell you what happened, though it will most likely come on in youtube. I hope that it was an intellectual interview, instead of a hundred satanic comments.
Couldn't you make the argument that American hatred for Ahmadinejad is synonymous to world wide hatred for Bush and or even America?

This extreme version of 'Muslimsim',for want of a better word,has nothing to offer the west,and would take away all our freedoms with a swipe of a hand,or sword.
Its a pity the President isnt going to talk and answer sessions around the country,tho it would be a security nightmare.

I'm told CNN carried his "speech" live. Being at work I didn't see it. But I'm sure they will run it again this evening. They usually do.

Will look out for it.I think this guy needs to be challenged on some of his countries more medi evil practises.

I guess this is why they have no homosexuals in Iran...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dgsZYA1mPY

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Columbia University President Lee Bollinger excoriated Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Monday, going through a long list of documented actions and remarks by the firebrand Iranian leader and his government.

"Mr. President, you exhibit all the signs of a petty and cruel dictator," Bollinger said to applause from many of the 600 people in the room for a speech from the Iranian leader.
Bollinger cited the Iranian government's "brutal crackdown" on dissidents, public executions, executions of minors and other actions.

Pathetic.

We should remember here that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is NOT Mr. Lee Bollinger's president.

Bollinger is up in arms over something happening thousands of miles away, while he --sickeningly-- choses to remain silent about atrocities being committed right HERE by the political leadership in the country that Lee Bollinger is a citizen of.

What i'd like to see is the POS who is Mr. Lee Bollinger's president being excoriated, publicly, by Mr. Lee Bollinger for his war crimes and other abominable acts.

Pathetic.

We should remember here that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is NOT Mr. Lee Bollinger's president.

Bollinger is up in arms over something happening thousands of miles away, while he --sickeningly-- choses to remain silent about atrocities being committed right HERE by the political leadership in the country that Lee Bollinger is a citizen of.

What i'd like to see is the POS who is Mr. Lee Bollinger's president being excoriated, publicly, by Mr. Lee Bollinger for his war crimes and other abominable acts.


My God, man. Is there anything about THIS country that you like?

Yes.

Yes.


Please enlighten us. I for one have never see you post anything positive about it, or the people who reside here.

Classic example of what David Horowitz has been saying and
written a few books about.How many and in Columbia's case,
particularly,University's are overtaken by ludicrous,mind-numbed
Liberal Stewardship and Bias.
Like...why even grant - Mock Mood - the time of day.?
Let alone a prestigious University to use as propagandist tool,
for the entire Middle East to propagate and retool into what
Fits their agenda.
If America wants to be progressive and also demonstrate how
tolerantly Liberal a Free Speech advocate,we are,then why not
allow Hillary to travel to Iran and give what - Mock Mood -
so easily demonstrated.That being,a close-up and personal
accounting,from the horses mouth,so to speak,albeit,in parlance
and quite possibly.... SnarkeD !

Please enlighten us. I for one have never see you post anything positive about it,...

I love it for the freedoms it provides, the opportunity it provides for people to carve out a life for themselves, the heart-wrenching beauty of the land itself.

....or the people who reside here.

That is a different story.

The vast majority are simpleminded, flagwaving morons who are deserving of contempt.

I love it for the freedoms it provides, the opportunity it provides for people to carve out a life for themselves, the heart-wrenching beauty of the land itself.



That is a different story.

The vast majority are simpleminded, flagwaving morons who are deserving of contempt.


Thank you. For those freedoms and opportunities to have a chance compassion and a level of understanding of those "simpleminded morons" is required.

Asked about widely documented government abuse of women and homosexuals in his country, Ahmadinejad said, "We don't have homosexuals" in Iran. "I don't know who told you we had it," he said. A homocaust denier?

FT just curious. When Bush leaves and whoever takes over, just what in the bloody hell will you go on about then? Jumping Jesus Palomino! Your so wrapped up in the delusion and at time ridiculous hatred of Bush and anything and I do mean anything even marginally related to him, I have to seriously wonder what you will do when he's not around? Just curious.

I love it for the freedoms it provides, the opportunity it provides for people to carve out a life for themselves, the heart-wrenching beauty of the land itself.


The vast majority are simpleminded, flagwaving morons who are deserving of contempt.

Remember: A whole lot of those "simpleminded, flagwaving morons" paid very dearly for you to be able to enjoy the freedoms & opportunity offered by the land itself.

FT just curious. When Bush leaves and whoever takes over, just what in the bloody hell will you go on about then? Jumping Jesus Palomino! Your so wrapped up in the delusion and at time ridiculous hatred of Bush and anything and I do mean anything even marginally related to him, I have to seriously wonder what you will do when he's not around? Just curious.

Though I will not deduce your political/philosophical beliefs and ideas through this mere post, I will however disagree with your assumption that after Bush leaves, FT or others like him will cease to stop their "go(ing) on about." Why do many Americans>, in this particular case and even extracting from the mass media, believe Bush to be the wrong doer. He's got a whole cabinet behind him, as well as 2 houses and a supreme court. Democrat or Republican, for all the Marxists out there, are people in expensive suits and apparently $400 haircuts.

I'm sure Freethinker was dissing out Clinton, and will most likely continue his "going on about" for many presidents to come.

Oh and back to the Ahmadinejad, I leave you with this quote as to why I love America so much:

If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George Orwell

Sorry for the double post, I believe the man is unjust and a despicable excuse for a human being.
Something that many people forget about Ahmadinejad, is that he isn't even considered to be the man in charge of Iran. He's the figure head and the public speaker during banquets and sit-downs, but the country is torn between its secularism and its fundamentalism. Some parts of the country are ruled by mullahs. It's like Saddam not having complete control of Northern Iraq I believe.

You are probably right. It's just that sometimes FT gets my goat. Though usually I try to remind myself he has a right to his opinion as much as anyone else does. That and arguing on the internet is pretty useless.

As for my political views. I don't know how to classify myself other than an American. I cannot call myself a conservative, as there are just too many conservative beliefs that I find flawed. I cannot call myself a liberal, for very similiar reasons, most of what liberals believe I find flawed.

I tend to sympathize more with conservatives than liberals, but find both groups rather stiffling. Which I'm sure to FT means I'm a simpleminded flag waving moron worthy of his almighty contempt.

As for Iran's pres, I don't like him, I don't respect him, however if the invitation to speak at Columbia didn't break any rules; as I understand he was coming to address the U.N. anyway, so whatever. Yes I do realize he's just a mouthpiece or figurehead. Maybe that's why I don't take anything he does or says that seriously, he's not really in charge.

The leftist I find, just as annoying if not a little more annoying than the neo-cons. For the leftist argue with their heart in their hand, which tends to cloud up what their saying. Neo-cons remain just as stubborn and unrelenting with their ideas, though I have much respect for Sean Hannity, his arguing skills, though straying off topic are incredible.

FT just curious. When Bush leaves and whoever takes over, just what in the bloody hell will you go on about then? I have to seriously wonder what you will do when he's not around?

Sleep a little better at night.

I'd sleep VERY much easier if he were replaced with a sane, progressive politician. But we all know he will be replaced with yet another lackey to Corporate interests, who will continue to attack the Middle East in the quest for control of the oil resources there.

For those freedoms and opportunities to have a chance compassion and a level of understanding of those "simpleminded morons" is required.

I disagree. It is because of the simplemindedness and gullibility of that collective known as *the American Public* that this country is headed for such a serious decline.

I understand them, but have no compassion for them.

I despise them. Because of them, we have for political leaders the warmongering, extreme rightwing Corporatists who are destroying this nation.

I disagree. It is because of the simplemindedness and gullibility of that collective known as *the American Public* that this country is headed for such a serious decline.

I understand them, but have no compassion for them.

I despise them. Because of them, we have for political leaders the warmongering, extreme rightwing Corporatists who are destroying this nation.


Sorry you feel that way, but I doubt this country will ever, knowingly, elect a Socialist to the Presidency, nor will they ever elect more than a very few, admitted Socialists, to Congress. But then I'm not even sure Socialists are far enough left to satisfy you.
Seriously, I hope all that bile does not lead to you having stomach ulcers, or worse.

I disagree. It is because of the simplemindedness and gullibility of that collective known as *the American Public* that this country is headed for such a serious decline.

I understand them, but have no compassion for them.

I despise them. Because of them, we have for political leaders the warmongering, extreme rightwing Corporatists who are destroying this nation.
I may not understand what makes the average Joe "tick", I can not despise them. To do so would be to consider myself superior to everyone else and mean that I am at least selfish and arrogant or at worst a narcissist with a superiority complex.

I have learned too many life lessons from a wide gamut of people. I have been saddened by some's ignorance, but I have also been in awe of some's wisdom and determination.

I may not agree with America's electoral at times, and often question the apathy of a good portion of our population in regards to politics and policy. I can think of no other place I would rather be... or a group of citizens that I would rather be a part of.

And as for you, FT, I do not "despise" you or your ideals (even though I seldom agree with them). I only feel pity that you are blinded by your politics to the point that you think almost all others are of no worth.

Sorry you feel that way, but I doubt this country will ever, knowingly, elect a Socialist to the Presidency,

I agree. But this country is destined, i believe, to fall in the very near future.

nor will they ever elect more than a very few, admitted Socialists, to Congress.

Saunders is the only one I know of, and he is a quasi-socialist who votes with the Corporate lackeys much of the time.

But then I'm not even sure Socialists are far enough left to satisfy you.

The SPUSA (Socialist Party USA) is. I very much support their platform.

Seriously, I hope all that bile does not lead to you having stomach ulcers, or worse.

I believe it will lead to serious health problems, but I cannot help feeling what I feel when I see a huge group of ignoramuses causing their own destruction due to continually voting against their own (and my) best interests.

I agree. But this country is destined, i believe, to fall in the very near future.



Saunders is the only one I know of, and he is a quasi-socialist who votes with the Corporate lackeys much of the time.



The SPUSA (Socialist Party USA) is. I very much support their platform.



I believe it will lead to serious health problems, but I cannot help feeling what I feel when I see a huge group of ignoramuses causing their own destruction due to continually voting against their own (and my) best interests.


Fortunately, in this country, each of us, ignorant folk, are entitled to vote for what we feel is in our best interest, without regard to your thoughts, or feelings.

I may not understand what makes the average Joe "tick", I can not despise them. To do so would be to consider myself superior to everyone else and mean that I am at least selfish and arrogant or at worst a narcissist with a superiority complex.

I have learned too many life lessons from a wide gamut of people. I have been saddened by some's ignorance, but I have also been in awe of some's wisdom and determination.

I may not agree with America's electoral at times, and often question the apathy of a good portion of our population in regards to politics and policy. I can think of no other place I would rather be... or a group of citizens that I would rather be a part of.

And as for you, FT, I do not "despise" you or your ideals (even though I seldom agree with them). I only feel pity that you are blinded by your politics to the point that you think almost all others are of no worth.


Excellent post, OldPhart. I know exactly what you're saying.

It is not so much that I feel they are of no worth....my loathing for them is rooted in the fact that in their ignorance --in continually voting in far-Right politicians who are in thrall to the Corporations-- they are harming me, themselves and the entire country and its continued existence.

Fortunately, in this country, each of us, ignorant folk, are entitled to vote for what we feel is in our best interest, without regard to your thoughts.....

And also with no regard for your own 'thoughts' either.

People who vote the conservafascists into power are not thinking for themselves at all.

They have been brainwashed from birth to fall into line with the God-Guns-and-Guts ideology, and to support only those politicians who dislike gays and who endlessly bow to God, the Flag and Apple Pie--so to speak-- regardless of how much the other policies and initiative enacted by those politicians harm the country.

And also with no regard for your own 'thoughts' either.

People who vote the conservafascists into power are not thinking for themselves at all.

They have been brainwashed from birth to fall into line with the God-Guns-and-Guts ideology, and to support only those politicians who dislike gays and who endlessly bow to God, the Flag and Apple Pie--so to speak-- regardless of how much the other policies and initiative enacted by those politicians harm the country.

I give a great deal of thought to my votes. Thats why, during the last 4 Presidential elections, I have written in the name of my choice. Just as I have voted against Boxer, Feinstein and Waxman, in each of their elections.
So it looks like both of us are "wasting" our votes.

Excellent post, OldPhart. I know exactly what you're saying.

It is not so much that I feel they are of no worth....my loathing for them is rooted in the fact that in their ignorance --in continually voting in far-Right politicians who are in thrall to the Corporations-- they are harming me, themselves and the entire country and its continued existence.

Fair enough and understood.

I give a great deal of thought to my votes. Thats why, during the last 4 Presidential elections, I have written in the name of my choice. Just as I have voted against Boxer, Feinstein and Waxman, in each of their elections.
So it looks like both of us are "wasting" our votes.

There has never been, in the 35+ years that I have been voting, a single person on the ballot who I have voted for who won, or who i would vote for and support.

None.

Yet I pay --and have since I was 17-- income taxes every year. I just wish that I could somehow communicate to you the resentment and anger I feel at having ZERO political representation at any level, yet having to pay taxes in the fives figures only to see the rightwing warmongers in Washington hand over hundreds of billions in taxdollars, every year, to the military/industrial complex.

There has never been, in the 35+ years that I have been voting, a single person on the ballot who I have voted for who won, or who i would vote for and support.

None.

Yet I pay --and have since I was 17-- income taxes every year. I just wish that I could somehow communicate to you the resentment and anger I feel at having ZERO political representation at any level, yet having to pay taxes in the fives figures only to see the rightwing warmongers in Washington hand over hundreds of billions in taxdollars, every year, to the military/industrial complex.


You always have the option of voting with your feet. I'm sure there is someplace that is governed to your liking. The chances of that occurring here are slim, and none.

You always have the option of voting with your feet. I'm sure there is someplace that is governed to your liking.

IOW, love it or leave it.

Nice.

http://citizenship.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/04/09/jingoism.gif

The shirt recounts the mantra of those sheep of the love-it-or-leave-it mindset;

Do Not Ask Questions.

Believe The Government.

Silence The Media.

IOW, love it or leave it.

Nice.

http://citizenship.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/04/09/jingoism.gif

The shirt recounts the mantra of those sheep of the love-it-or-leave-it mindset;

Do Not Ask Questions.

Believe The Government.

Silence The Media.


You're just like dhrama, thats not what I said, and you know it. I don't care if you "love it" or not.
But if I lived in a country who's form of government I hated, as much as you hate ours, and was surrounded by nearly 300 million "ignorant" people, whom I despised, I find another place to live, and be there within a week.

http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/photoessay_2396_images/0925071153_M_092507_hanged_teens6.jpg

No gays in Iran? - They're hung in the street.

See more here (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297982,00.html)

http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/photoessay_2396_images/0925071153_M_092507_hanged_teens6.jpg

No gays in Iran? - They're hung in the street.

See more here (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297982,00.html)
Were they executed for sexual assault or for just being gay?

Were they executed for sexual assault or for just being gay?

Reading the article gives the impression that they were hung for being gay & the other charges added after all the publicity. As with every other situation, there's more than one side to the story.

Fuck,does it really matter.
Who wants to live in the stone age again.

....thats not what I said, and you know it. I don't care if you "love it" or not.

I submit, moderate, that that is exactly what the phrase -- ""You always have the option of voting with your feet. I'm sure there is someplace that is governed to your liking""-- suggests.

At best, it is a defacto declaration of --""If you do not like it, then leave it".

But if I lived in a country who's form of government I hated, as much as you hate ours, and was surrounded by nearly 300 million "ignorant" people, whom I despised, I find another place to live, and be there within a week.

Excuse me if I do not believe you. It would cost tens of thousands of dollars, at best, to relocate to a different nation.

And THAT is without even going into topics like;

--leaving all one's family and friends behind

--being allowed into the country of choice

--finding some way of making a living in said country

--a thousand other huge and intractable problems associated with such a relocation.

But underlying all the problems of relocating to a far away nation is the fact that even if I did leave this nation, a nation that I would still be associated with as being a citizen of, a nation that is the world's number one exporter of terrorism, would blithely go on terrorizing the rest of the planet exactly as it has done in the past. In the course of human history, nothing would change for the better by my leaving, except that I would be among a different --and entirely unknown to me-- group of people whose language I would not understand.

But even with all of that, if it would change, by one iota, the fascistic state of affairs in this country, I would leave if I had to swim.

I submit, moderate, that that is exactly what the phrase -- ""You always have the option of voting with your feet. I'm sure there is someplace that is governed to your liking""-- suggests.

At best, it is a defacto declaration of --""If you do not like it, then leave it".



Excuse me if I do not believe you. It would cost tens of thousands of dollars, at best, to relocate to a different nation.

And THAT is without even going into topics like;

--leaving all one's family and friends behind

--being allowed into the country of choice

--finding some way of making a living in said country

--a thousand other huge and intractable problems associated with such a relocation.

But underlying all the problems of relocating to a far away nation is the fact that even if I did leave this nation, a nation that I would still be associated with as being a citizen of, a nation that is the world's number one exporter of terrorism, would blithely go on terrorizing the rest of the planet exactly as it has done in the past. In the course of human history, nothing would change for the better by my leaving, except that I would be among a different --and entirely unknown to me-- group of people whose language I would not understand.

But even with all of that, if it would change, by one iota, the fascistic state of affairs in this country, I would leave if I had to swim.


Understood, you are to poor, lacking in ambition, and short on drive to relocate. OK, I guess it is easier to set at a keyboard and whine about things.

Good Luck, to you sir.

OK, I guess it is easier to set at a keyboard and whine about things.
So much easier than sitting on your keyboard giving advice to people you don't know on their happiness! I guess compared to FT, you're running a marathon!

Understood, you are to poor, lacking in ambition, and short on drive to relocate. OK, I guess it is easier to set at a keyboard and whine about things.

Good Luck, to you sir.

Hey!! I appreciate the wishes of good luck.

My hope is that you are hit by a bus.

... Lol! You get funnier by the month, FT!

So much easier than sitting on your keyboard giving advice to people you don't know on their happiness! I guess compared to FT, you're running a marathon!


Gee, 40 watt, thought you were to have started on your journey, to becoming the next Bill Gates, yesterday, or today. Aruba won't let you in, or what?

The journey's already started, hasn't anyone told you? I started it on foot, by walking all over you. I might have to revisit old treads once in awhile, so watch yourself.

Hey!! I appreciate the wishes of good luck.

My hope is that you are hit by a bus.

Yes, the good luck wish is sincere, any one who lives in a place, around people, they so despise, is bound to suffer a very disappointing, unrewarding life.

though I have much respect for Sean Hannity, his arguing skills, though straying off topic are incredible.

Ahmen brother... he is the king of arguing. he makes the people even doubt themselves let alone thier ideas.... He should of been a trial lawyer....

Ahmen brother... he is the king of arguing. he makes the people even doubt themselves let alone thier ideas.... He should of been a trial lawyer....

Hey, did you see the O'Reilly and Geraldo Rivera. I heard Rivera had to be escorted because he was about to physically attack O'Reilly. I only saw the clip of the debate, not the escorting. Sorry for straying off topic people.

The debate was about the illegal immigrant who killed director Bob Clark and his son while drunk driving. You tube it, it was a very heating discussion that shows the narrow mindedness of O'Reilly.

Hey, did you see the O'Reilly and Geraldo Rivera. I heard Rivera had to be escorted because he was about to physically attack O'Reilly. I only saw the clip of the debate, not the escorting. Sorry for straying off topic people. .

Dude Geraldo isnt one to be fucked with.. he took a chair shot in the face from the KKK... he aint playin... I always said we give him a gun and a camera man and send him up in the mountains in afganistan and he would come back with Bin Laden... I will TUBE it though... I always wanted Gerolda to get his hands in Tucker though...

... Lol! You get funnier by the month, FT!\


WTF is going on....First Dharma is acting like a madman,,, and now FT is coming up with the one liners.. Shit I better step up my game or I am going to get killed on here anymore..... No more 151 martinis lunches for me.

. I might have to revisit old treads once in awhile, so watch yourself.

do it.... do it..... do it... come on!!!

151 martini? WTF is that? I've heard of putting vodka instead of gin in your martini, (sacrilege!) but rum?

151 martini? WTF is that? I've heard of putting vodka instead of gin in your martini, (sacrilege!) but rum?

its gin and everclear (equal parts)... There is no such thing as a gin less martini.. I dont care what DeKuyper wants you to think....

I seen a girl order one with vanilla vodka,pineapple juice, lime juice and cream.....it had a FUCKING graham cracker rim!!!!!

I seen a girl order one with vanilla vodka,pineapple juice, lime juice and cream.....it had a FUCKING graham cracker rim!!!!!
That is NOT a martini. That is a fucking... fruity vanilla pie drink. Oh god, I just got sissified about 100 points thinking about it! >.< The gayest drink I like is a mojito, and sorry, it has mint in it so I like it. Gimme a good tequila sunrise over one of those damn fruity pie drinks any day. It might taste like pure sugar but after you drink a few you realize it's got about 3 shots of tequila in it...

Gimme a beer any day of the week over those things, Sam Adams!! Still, I like all those fruity drinks, mojitos are amazing. Still haven't tried any tequila sunrises yet.

Tried a mojito the other day, fucking hated it.

I hate beer. I don't like the taste, and I can't get drunk off of it either because it fills up my stomach before I drink enough of 'em. Tequila sunrises are great. Then again, a lot of people don't like tequila and I do, so my opinion might not be the best one.

Nappy, a mojito can be amazing or it can be terrible. Depends how it's made. However, if you don't like the combination of mint and citrus in the first place of course you won't like it. I just happen to love lime and mint, and also anything sweet....

I've never had a martini but I don't think I'd like it, just based on the drinks that I do like. I don't like margaritas; they're too sour for me. I don't enjoy pina coladas unless they're virgin - I like a fruit smoothie by itself but alcohol kind of ruins it. Never had a cosmopolitan, probably wouldn't like that either. Most of what I drink is shots with whatever is at hand for a chaser, or something like tequila & sprite, screwdriver, or rum & coke. Those lil' malt liquor thingies are nice too... I admit it, I like 'em. :p Now they make Bacardi Mojito in a bottle... Gotta try that.

Never had a martini myself,dont like drinking what I cant identify.

The crowd used to hang with liked some pretty gayish and fruitty drinks.... FOr the typical shot of the night... (we would do about four of them through out the night Every time we would go out we would change it from a pre selected cycle) Would be like buttery nipples,or green apple pucker,,,,,

I was like wheres the jager or the firewater?

I submit, moderate, that that is exactly what the phrase -- ""You always have the option of voting with your feet. I'm sure there is someplace that is governed to your liking""-- suggests.

At best, it is a defacto declaration of --""If you do not like it, then leave it".



Excuse me if I do not believe you. It would cost tens of thousands of dollars, at best, to relocate to a different nation.

And THAT is without even going into topics like;

--leaving all one's family and friends behind

--being allowed into the country of choice

--finding some way of making a living in said country

--a thousand other huge and intractable problems associated with such a relocation.

But underlying all the problems of relocating to a far away nation is the fact that even if I did leave this nation, a nation that I would still be associated with as being a citizen of, a nation that is the world's number one exporter of terrorism, would blithely go on terrorizing the rest of the planet exactly as it has done in the past. In the course of human history, nothing would change for the better by my leaving, except that I would be among a different --and entirely unknown to me-- group of people whose language I would not understand.

But even with all of that, if it would change, by one iota, the fascistic state of affairs in this country, I would leave if I had to swim.

It was mentioned that you have a choice, not a suggestion to action. Spare us the overwrought drama. Moving to another country would cost little. Especially one you would think worthy. You can reject your citizenship anytime you like. People do it all the time. If your principles are strong all these questions about making a living would be periphereal.
What you're really saying is it's easier to bitch about things than to do something about it. You're too lazy to do anything but whine about it on the net.

Btw, you love the country but not it's people. What country exists that doesn't have people? Geography you can find anywhere. The people are the country.

The irony that bollinger needs to criticize bush 'before' his criticism of ahmwhackjob is viable.:thumbs:

Very revealing thread.

Freethinker not only hates the President, he also despises the rest of us as war mongering sheep. He is offered sincere best wishes and returns a wish that the other person be run over by a truck. Such distain and hatred for others has rarely been exhibited here.

Napsterbater seems to have not taken off for the employment Disneyland of Aruba but is instead still tossing childish one liners at people. I guess they are still waiting for the tile to arrive or perhaps more money so they can pay him the millions he seems to think he is worth.

'still waiting for the tiles to arrive'',thats good haha