Everyone knows Americans love they're flags,its the thing that bonds you guys together.
Some people fly it because they're proud,some fly it in support of they're troops,whatever the reason,do you fly your flag,if so lets hear it,and better still,lets see it.

yes.blair has a big one he flys.we have a flagpole in the yard.

Everyone knows Americans love they're flags
They do?
its the thing that bonds you guys together.
It is?

I pledge allegiance to the flag
of the united states of america
and to the republic for which it stands
one nation under god, indivisible
with liberty and justice for all

I pledge allegiance to the flag
of the United States of America
and to the republic for which it stands
one nation, indivisible
with liberty and justice for all
FTFY.

FTFY.
i say under god.isnt that right?

i say under god.isnt that right?
that's was added in the 1950's...Phyrex is really that old:lolhit:

lmao!:D

i say under god.isnt that right?
It was an ill-advised addition in the 1950s because of the Red Scare. I don't know why it was never taken out.

whats the red scare,sir?

That whole communist thing.

That whole communist thing.
the comnunist are scared of god?

It was an ill-advised addition in the 1950s because of the Red Scare. I don't know why it was never taken out.


At the time that term was added to the pledge, this nation was populated, primarily, by people who believed in God. Not necessarily the same God, but God none the less. It has not been removed because the same condition exists today. And contrary to the belief of a few, that term does not constitute the establishment of a national religion.

And contrary to the belief of a few, that term does not constitute the establishment of a national religion.
Perhaps not, but don't you think it that calling our nation a nation "under God" undermines the spirit of the First Amendment?

the comnunist are scared of god?
Yeah, Stalin was very much anti-religion. He violently persecuted the Russian Orthodox Church to near extinction, until WW2 where it was allowed a short revival, only to be suppressed again by Khrushchev.

Perhaps not, but don't you think it that calling our nation a nation "under God" undermines the spirit of the First Amendment?


Not at all. The First Amendment only precludes the Federal Government from favoring one religion, over another. It does not indicate that this country is, or should be "Godless".

Not at all. The First Amendment only precludes the Federal Government from favoring one religion, over another. It does not indicate that this country is, or should be "Godless".
The government should be. And, by and large, is.

The government should be. And, by and large, is.


I find absolutly nothing in these words to back up your position:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Just the opposite, they can not stop "the free exercise" of religion, any where, by anyone.

I find absolutly nothing in these words to back up your position:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Just the opposite, they can not stop "the free exercise" of religion, any where, by anyone.
You seem to be a bit confused. I was saying that the laws of this country should be completely secular.

Well, according to a friend of mine, the "under god" is meant to be a homage to the people who came here searching for religious freedom. Not sure what I think of that though. No one's being forced to say the pledge so it really shouldn't be as much of an issue as it is. I think the under god is unnecessary and kind of silly.

Not at all. The First Amendment only precludes the Federal Government from favoring one religion, over another. It does not indicate that this country is, or should be "Godless".
You are incorrect. The phrase, "respecting an establishment of religion," clearly means that the state should be at least secular, if not completely godless. If it were not so, than it would have established religion at the national level. Secular means completely neutral in matters of religion.

The United States Flag is the third oldest of the National Standards of the world; older than the Union Jack of Britain or the Tricolor of France.

The flag was first authorized by Congress June 14, 1777. This date is now observed as Flag Day throughout America. The flag was first flown from Fort Stanwix, on the site of the present city of Rome, New York, on August 3, 1777. It was first under fire for three days later in the Battle of Oriskany, August 6, 1777. It was first decreed that there should be a star and a stripe for each state, making thirteen of both; for the states at the time had just been erected from the original thirteen colonies.
The colors of the Flag may be thus explained: The red is for valor, zeal and fervency; the white for hope purity, cleanliness of life, and rectitude of conduct; the blue, the color of heaven, for reverence to God, loyalty, sincerity, justice and truth.
The star (an ancient symbol of India, Persia and Egypt) symbolized dominion and sovereignty, as well as lofty aspirations. The constellation of the stars within the union, one star for each state, is emblematic of our Federal Constitution, which reserves to the States their individual sovereignty except as to rights delegated by them to the Federal Government.

The symbolism of the Flag was thus interpreted by Washington: "We take the stars from Heaven, the red from our mother country, separating it by white stripes, thus showing that we have separated from her, and the white stripes shall go down to posterity representing Liberty."

In 1791, Vermont, and in 1792, Kentucky were admitted to the Union and the number of stars and stripes was raised to fifteen in correspondence. As other states came into the Union it became evident there would be too many stripes. So in 1818 Congress enacted that the number of stripes be reduced and restricted henceforth to thirteen representing the thirteen original states; while a star should be added for each succeeding state. That law is the law of today.
The name "Old Glory" was given to our National Flag August 10, 1831, by Captain William Driver of the brig Charles Doggett.
The Flag was first carried in battle at the Brandywine, September 11, 1777. It first flew over foreign territory January 28, 1778, at Nassau, Bahama Islands; Fort Nassau having been captured by the American in the course of the war for independence. The first foreign salute to the flag was rendered by the french admiral LaMotte Piquet, off Quiberon Bay, February 13, 1778.
The United States Flag is unique in the deep and noble significance of its message to the entire world, a message of national independence, of individual liberty, of idealism, of patriotism. It symbolizes national independence and popular sovereignty. It is not the Flag of a reigning family or royal house, but of 300 million free people welded into a Nation, one and inseparable, united not only by community of interest, but by vital unity of sentiment and purpose; a Nation distinguished for the clear individual conception of its citizens alike of their duties and their privileges, their obligations and their rights.
It incarnates for all mankind the spirit of Liberty and the glorious ideal of human Freedom; not the freedom of unrestraint or the liberty of license, but an unique ideal of equal opportunity for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, safeguarded by the stern and lofty principles of duty, of righteousness and of justice, and attainable by obedience to self-imposed laws. Floating from lofty pinnacle of American Idealism, it is a beacon of enduring hope, like the famous Bartholdi Statue of Liberty enlightening the World to the oppressed of all lands. It floats over a wondrous assemblage of people from every racial stock of the earth whose united hearts constitute an indivisible and invincible force for the defense and succor of the downtrodden.
It embodies the essence of patriotism. Its spirit is the spirit of the American nation. Its history is the history of the American people. Emblazoned upon its folds in letters of living light are the names and fame of our heroic dead, the Fathers of the Republic who devoted upon its altars their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor. Twice told tales of National honor and glory cluster thickly about it. Ever victorious, it has emerged triumphant from eight great National conflicts. It flew at Saratog, at Yorktown, at Palo Alto, at Gettysburg, at Minala bay, at Chateau-Thierry, at Iwo Jima. It bears witness to the immense expansion of our national boundaries, the development of our natural resources, and the splendid structure of our civilization. It prophesies the triumph of popular government, of civic and religious liberty and of national righteousness throughout the world.
The flag first rose over thirteen states along the Atlantic seaboard, with a population of some three million people. Today it flies over fifty states, extending across the continent, and over great islands of the two oceans; and two hundred and five million owe it allegiance. It has been brought to this proud position by love and sacrifice. Citizens have advanced it and heroes have died for it. It is the sign made visible of the strong spirit that has brought liberty and prosperity to the people of America. It is the flag of all us alike. Let us accord it honor and loyalty.

:drinktoth (http://usacitylink.com/usa/?file=/citylink/usa/history.html)

You seem to be a bit confused. I was saying that the laws of this country should be completely secular.


I'm not confused.
Your words were to the effect that the term "under God" was wrongfully included in the pledge, and you did not understand why it was not removed.

You then ask: "but don't you think it that calling our nation a nation "under God" undermines the spirit of the First Amendment?"

As for our laws, they should be fair for everyone. If by secular you mean:

1. Worldly rather than spiritual.
2. Not specifically relating to religion or to a religious body.
3. Relating to or advocating secularism.
4. Not bound by monastic restrictions, especially not belonging to a religious order. Used of the clergy.
5. Occurring or observed once in an age or century.
6. Lasting from century to century.

Then yes our laws should be those things. The "pledge" is not a law, nor are any of the building, or the oaths taken by office holders. So why do some people keep insisting that all references to God be removed, and prohibited?

Now, I want you to understand, I am not a believer in any organized religion. Their books, crosses, commandments, stars, what ever, mean nothing to me. But the word God, and the idea of a God, does. Personally, I do not desire to live in a godless society.

Personally, I do not desire to live in a godless society.
Move to Iran.

Move to Iran.


OK, 40 watt. Don't you have some bags to pack, or have you quit already?

You couldn't figure out the instructions on a shampoo bottle, much less the US Constitution.

Boys, boys.

Goddammit, I at least wanted to see his retort. I could do with a good laugh.

Good post at #22 es.

I just have to say I love my country! our flag and all that has made this nation great. also assault weapons, baseball, hot dogs, apple pie, and DODGE

I just have to say I love my country! our flag and all that has made this nation great. also assault weapons, baseball, hot dogs, apple pie, and DODGE
FORD

FORD
fouled oily rebuilt dodge? found on road dead?

When I was in school, we always said "under God." You weren't actually required to say "under God" though, you weren't even required to stand up and say the pledge. However, that line has always been in there in my experience.

fouled oily rebuilt dodge? found on road dead?



First On Race Day.


:woohoo:

First On Race Day.


:woohoo:
:D:hula:

First On Race Day.


:woohoo:
1st into the wall?:confused:

1st into the wall?:confused:
First into the pit.

Ford doesn't make America great, they make Americans look like they can't design reliable cars.

FORD


CHEVY:p

Okay, I don't mind Chevys. Ford for trucks, Chevy for cars generally (except the new Mustangs!). My boyfriend says you "can't like Fords AND Chevys". I don't see why not though...

CHEVY:p
::shakes head:: I don't get it. I don't get why people are so loyal to the Detroit Big Three who have repeatedly screwed the United States in design, both interior and mechanically, compared to Japanese and even Korean engineering. Arguably the most reliable American marque, Ford, has been surpassed by Hyundai, of all companies, in design and reliability. Why do people keep putting up with it?

First On Race Day.


:woohoo:


Fix Or Repair Daily

::shakes head:: I don't get it. I don't get why people are so loyal to the Detroit Big Three who have repeatedly screwed the United States in design, both interior and mechanically, compared to Japanese and even Korean engineering. Arguably the most reliable American marque, Ford, has been surpassed by Hyundai, of all companies, in design and reliability. Why do people keep putting up with it?


actually.....it has nothing to do with that at all for me. I've just always had better luck with Chevy's in the area of them lasting me longer with fewer problems than any other brand of car I've ever had.

Fix Or Repair Daily


:lolhit: that about sums it up

::shakes head:: I don't get it. I don't get why people are so loyal to the Detroit Big Three who have repeatedly screwed the United States in design, both interior and mechanically, compared to Japanese and even Korean engineering. Arguably the most reliable American marque, Ford, has been surpassed by Hyundai, of all companies, in design and reliability. Why do people keep putting up with it?
where do you think the Asians get their ideas? they aren't real big on original thinking.

hell, even the Titan uses Ford's frame!

actually.....it has nothing to do with that at all for me. I've just always had better luck with Chevy's in the area of them lasting me longer with fewer problems than any other brand of car I've ever had.
Working at a used car lot led me to a few conclusions. One of those was, American cars don't hold up well; Japanese cars (except Mitsubishi and Suzuki) hold up extremely well, early Korean cars were shit, European cars are shit, and I like Ford better than the other Big Three, but I still don't like them.

where do you think the Asians get their ideas? they aren't real big on original thinking.

hell, even the Titan uses Ford's frame!
Ford licenses its hybrid technology from whom, again?

(The Nissan Titan uses the Nissan F-Alpha platform, designed entirely by Nissan and, possibly, Renault.)

Working at a used car lot led me to a few conclusions. One of those was, American cars don't hold up well; Japanese cars (except Mitsubishi and Suzuki) hold up extremely well, early Korean cars were shit, European cars are shit, and I like Ford better than the other Big Three, but I still don't like them.


Trimph -- TR4 -- The last, great European car.

Working at a used car lot led me to a few conclusions. One of those was, American cars don't hold up well; Japanese cars (except Mitsubishi and Suzuki) hold up extremely well, early Korean cars were shit, European cars are shit, and I like Ford better than the other Big Three, but I still don't like them.


this is true and proven,but if I had to choose between a Dodge,Ford or Chevy I am gonna choose the Chevy.
It's a personal choice for me is all.

Ford licenses its hybrid technology from whom, again?

(The Nissan Titan uses the Nissan F-Alpha platform, designed entirely by Nissan and, possibly, Renault.)
who cares who they license their hype from, i just know that sub-contractor that supplies both of them only has one production line, and 2 shipping docks.

this is true and proven,but if I had to choose between a Dodge,Ford or Chevy I am gonna choose the Chevy.
It's a personal choice for me is all.
i could go for a Mega-cab Dodge;)

i could go for a Mega-cab Dodge;)


the 1500 Ram was pretty nice too

the 1500 Ram was pretty nice too
the Mega-cab has a bigger back seat;)

the Mega-cab has a bigger back seat;)

:eek:
bigger than the one you had the day of Josh's b-day party?

:eek:
bigger than the one you had the day of Josh's b-day party?
even BIGGER:woohoo:

even BIGGER:woohoo:


holy crap....yay for leg room

holy crap....yay for leg room
it's big enough to be a legal sleeper berth:cool:

it's big enough to be a legal sleeper berth:cool:


I bet it don't fit 2 people though.....and the girls don't count :P

I bet it don't fit 2 people though.....and the girls don't count :P
that depends on how you stack them;)

Trimph -- TR4 -- The last, great European car.

The TR6 was a better machine, by far-but that's not saying much.