Anti-intellectualism inhibits learning

A large percentage (studies suggest over 90%) of the meaning we derive from communication, we derive from the non-verbal cues that the other person gives.

How does one communicate with an unseen audience that can be anybody in the world? In face-to-face communication there is so much information about the audience at hand that does not exist on the Internet.

Does one use language for the 12 year old, or the 18 year old, or the 25 year old, the educated, the non-educated? How to speak coherently to the 12 year old while not infuriating the 18 year old and how to mold an essay for the 30 year old without losing the 18 year old.

People who write books have editors to act as a third party who understands the material and understands the anticipated audience.

How do I, who have been studying the matter at hand for months and even years, know what words to provide a parenthetical definition that some may need but others may consider to be condescending?

Anti-intellectualism (opposing or hostile to intellectuals or to an intellectual view or approach) is so prevailing in the United States that almost every reader has a strong anti-intellectual bias that they are completely unconscious of. This anti-intellectual bias constantly inhibits their effort to read anything that smacks of being ‘intellectual’.

People might pay me money to lecture them on the proper way to swing a golf club but to lecture anyone on matters intellectual is pompous (excessively elevated or ornate—having or exhibiting self-importance).

Your post is partially but not entirely true.

Yes, some people feel that those who use big words, propound big ideas, or who use circumlocution in posting are intellectual snobs but those people tend to leave internet sites in which this behavior is exhibited. Internet sites are to some extent self policing. Once a general mode of communication has been established those who find this mode comfortable stay and those who find it uncomfortable or pompous leave.

I participate in many different sites and I tailor my posting style to be appropriate to each site. Some sites are very intellectual and the ideas and posting style are what would be considered more formal than those in general chat sites. As a member of Phi Alpha Theta I find history sites to be very interesting and when I go to those sites I expect the topics and the method of communication to be far more academic than in other sites at which I participate. Even within sites various threads have different types and styles of topics and communication. There are threads in Allforums where the discussions sometimes are more esoteric and erudite than in other threads and threads like, Smartmouthwoman Speaks where the style of posting is what would be considered general, lighthearted banter. It would be pompous of someone to go to that site and start acting the academic but it would be presumptuous for someone to expect a thread dealing with a particular religious or academic issue to have the same lighthearted tone as SMW Speaks.

Yes, books are usually written for a particular audience. That is why the language in, A Short History Of Time, is very different from the language in, Wifey. Each is geared to a particular audience. Printed matter that is directed toward the general audience, material like newspapers and magazines is usually written at about a fifth grade level since that is the level at which most people are comfortable reading. The less educated will be able to understand what is written and the more educated will not be completely bored by the vocabulary, syntax and language used and the vocablulary is usually sufficient to get the ideas being put forth across.

I find this topic interesting as are most of your topics and look forward to discussing it further when I return at the beginning of next week from a short trip.

Your post is partially but not entirely true.

Yes, some people feel that those who use big words, propound big ideas, or who use circumlocution in posting are intellectual snobs but those people tend to leave internet sites in which this behavior is exhibited. Internet sites are to some extent self policing. Once a general mode of communication has been established those who find this mode comfortable stay and those who find it uncomfortable or pompous leave.

I participate in many different sites and I tailor my posting style to be appropriate to each site. Some sites are very intellectual and the ideas and posting style are what would be considered more formal than those in general chat sites. As a member of Phi Alpha Theta I find history sites to be very interesting and when I go to those sites I expect the topics and the method of communication to be far more academic than in other sites at which I participate. Even within sites various threads have different types and styles of topics and communication. There are threads in Allforums where the discussions sometimes are more esoteric and erudite than in other threads and threads like, Smartmouthwoman Speaks where the style of posting is what would be considered general, lighthearted banter. It would be pompous of someone to go to that site and start acting the academic but it would be presumptuous for someone to expect a thread dealing with a particular religious or academic issue to have the same lighthearted tone as SMW Speaks.

Yes, books are usually written for a particular audience. That is why the language in, A Short History Of Time, is very different from the language in, Wifey. Each is geared to a particular audience. Printed matter that is directed toward the general audience, material like newspapers and magazines is usually written at about a fifth grade level since that is the level at which most people are comfortable reading. The less educated will be able to understand what is written and the more educated will not be completely bored by the vocabulary, syntax and language used and the vocablulary is usually sufficient to get the ideas being put forth across.

I find this topic interesting as are most of your topics and look forward to discussing it further when I return at the beginning of next week from a short trip.

It is BaD form to leave in a tizzy..Especially given the mere scratch
upon surface you prognosticated.
Now get right back on yer Huffy,and don't bother Wits the training
wheels,either.You've got some unfinished CommuniCatin ta done dude,
thar Fellow.

Anti-intellectualism (opposing or hostile to intellectuals or to an intellectual view or approach) is so prevailing in the United States that almost every reader has a strong anti-intellectual bias that they are completely unconscious of. This anti-intellectual bias constantly inhibits their effort to read anything that smacks of being ‘intellectual’.You some kinda college boy or somethin'?

I tink dis guy tinks ee's smarter 'n us!

Get a rope!

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b222/godsandmen/celebs/einstein/1128287513.gif

You some kinda college boy or somethin'?

I am a retired engineer and I am also a self-actualizing self-learner.

Anti-intellectualism inhibits learning

A large percentage (studies suggest over 90%) of the meaning we derive from communication, we derive from the non-verbal cues that the other person gives.

How does one communicate with an unseen audience that can be anybody in the world? In face-to-face communication there is so much information about the audience at hand that does not exist on the Internet.

Does one use language for the 12 year old, or the 18 year old, or the 25 year old, the educated, the non-educated? How to speak coherently to the 12 year old while not infuriating the 18 year old and how to mold an essay for the 30 year old without losing the 18 year old.

People who write books have editors to act as a third party who understands the material and understands the anticipated audience.

How do I, who have been studying the matter at hand for months and even years, know what words to provide a parenthetical definition that some may need but others may consider to be condescending?

Anti-intellectualism (opposing or hostile to intellectuals or to an intellectual view or approach) is so prevailing in the United States that almost every reader has a strong anti-intellectual bias that they are completely unconscious of. This anti-intellectual bias constantly inhibits their effort to read anything that smacks of being ‘intellectual’.

People might pay me money to lecture them on the proper way to swing a golf club but to lecture anyone on matters intellectual is pompous (excessively elevated or ornate—having or exhibiting self-importance).

Coberst you are fun and very awake :) !

We are kind of in the middle of something, and we will try to not call them "Idiots" :) where knowledge versus ignorance. Communism tried to solved this problem by just killing the intellectuals. It worked for a little while, but I think that the intellectuals are here to stay :)

Coberst because of your concern for all of humanity, you have created an intresting realiity. Intellectuals will destroy the world and Ignorance will destroy the world. The question is, "Can these two realities save the world?"

We have Coberst and he loves his world! Son, if you are not a player you should be. You are running "Genius" on All Formus.net. :) This topic is going to be fun! (I am "Tagging" it to my e-mail).

tuck

tucker

Thanks for your encourgment. Such a view of my work is rare indeed.

Is populist elitism an oxymoron?

Elite—a group of persons who by virtue of position or education exercise much power or influence

Populist—a believer in the rights, wisdom, or virtue of the common people

I claim that a believer in the rights, wisdom, or virtue of the common people who exercises much power or influence by virtue of his or her learning is a populist elitist.

It is obvious that there is a class of people who manage the government, who influence those that manage government, and who interpret it all to the voting public exists in the United States. Such a class is essential to the functioning of a liberal democracy.

Presently in the US this class of elite individuals consists primarily of ‘experts’. This class of experts “is inevitably so removed from common interests as to become a class with private interests and private knowledge, which in social matters is not knowledge at all.” The result, Dewey warns, is a democracy that risks both unaccountability and error. It is obvious to me that such a situation is no longer a risk but is a reality.

I offer, for consideration, a possible solution that will take much time to implement but will be the fastest solution available. I suggest that those adults, who can, begin the process of self-actualizing self-learning in order to become a populist elitist.

The person that has the most effect upon common people is the person that can communicate on their level, yet can manipulate them in his direction of interest.
Big words and intellectual ideals are for the dusty corners of libraries collecting fingerprints from those like-thinking people that receive gratification from collective loftiness. :thumbs:

The person that has the most effect upon common people is the person that can communicate on their level, yet can manipulate them in his direction of interest.
Big words and intellectual ideals are for the dusty corners of libraries collecting fingerprints from those like-thinking people that receive gratification from collective loftiness. :thumbs:

Anti-intellectual bias does harm to our nation and to the world.

How does one communicate with an unseen audience that can be anybody in the world? In face-to-face communication there is so much information about the audience at hand that does not exist on the Internet.

Does one use language for the 12 year old, or the 18 year old, or the 25 year old, the educated, the non-educated? How to speak coherently to the 12 year old while not infuriating the 18 year old and how to mold an essay for the 30 year old without losing the 18 year old.

People who write books have editors to act as a third party who understands the material and understands the anticipated audience.

How do I, who have been studying the matter at hand for months and even years, know what words to provide a parenthetical definition that some may need but others may consider to be condescending?
I come from a retail background so naturally I would chose a retail approach. First have a clearly defined goal. In this case it would be what ever it is you are trying to communicate and the results desired from that communication.

Next you would choose your target audience as you can't be everything to everybody. Each target group will need a different approach since you don't market to a 12 year old in the same way you would market to a 30 year old.

Then you would research your target audience for various things; level of education, level of comprehension, interests and what piques it, etc.

Then choose the mostly likely route to success for that particular audience.

Anti-intellectual bias does harm to our nation and to the world.

I believe in education that is fruitful to the common good, not just for the few. Problems seem to begin when an intellectual few seek to become the shepherds of all men.

I believe in education that is fruitful to the common good, not just for the few. Problems seem to begin when an intellectual few seek to become the shepherds of all men.
Nice, I like that Dan.

tucker

Thanks for your encourgment. Such a view of my work is rare indeed.

Is populist elitism an oxymoron?

Elite—a group of persons who by virtue of position or education exercise much power or influence

Populist—a believer in the rights, wisdom, or virtue of the common people

I claim that a believer in the rights, wisdom, or virtue of the common people who exercises much power or influence by virtue of his or her learning is a populist elitist.

It is obvious that there is a class of people who manage the government, who influence those that manage government, and who interpret it all to the voting public exists in the United States. Such a class is essential to the functioning of a liberal democracy.

Presently in the US this class of elite individuals consists primarily of ‘experts’. This class of experts “is inevitably so removed from common interests as to become a class with private interests and private knowledge, which in social matters is not knowledge at all.” The result, Dewey warns, is a democracy that risks both unaccountability and error. It is obvious to me that such a situation is no longer a risk but is a reality.

I offer, for consideration, a possible solution that will take much time to implement but will be the fastest solution available. I suggest that those adults, who can, begin the process of self-actualizing self-learning in order to become a populist elitist.

coberst you are back :) I personally have always loved you from the beginning :)

Basically what you are running here is a version of Communisn, which is actually ok :) After all our Democrats are trying to run that one and as a low income person I don't mind (sort of :) ).

The problem based on my experience Coberst is the concept of Self-actualization. Everybody considers themself self-actualized. It is you and I that don't concider them self-actualized. So the question is and this is what we are exploring, "How do we explain to them that they are not self-actualized?"

The thing that we know about "self-actualized" is that they are all "winners". The question from there is, "How can we all be "winners"?"

Lets take "Nappy" as an example, in his world he is a "winner!" In our world he is an asshole bringing everything to a screeching halt :)

The thing that I love about the the USA is that Nappy can't send me off to Siberia :) and I can't send him off to Siberia :) God but I love the US of A :)

Coberst I have been playing/exploring with the concept of "self-actualization" since before you were born. I am very happy that you have brought it up as a subject and as a possible approach to solve. The question is, "How can all levels of society be self actualized without being you or me?" "Nappy" and others like him, are actually self actualized. He is a winner in his reality. And he is pretty good at kicking butt.

And for those of you who are upset about this topic being in religion :) we are talking about "Philosophy" :) which is allowed in this forum.

tuck

On AllFroums.net Sparky don't send you off to Siberia, if you don't "thermal nuke", too much :) !

All folk, of all levels of society, nomatter where they are in the world, can step into all Forums.net and be up to their butt in trouble. :) It is free serve :) come party! I don't think boredom will be your problem.

Even the idiots, assuming there are any :) , on All Forums have good minds and are creative. Or the herd just steps over them and continues on :) !

All forums.net ain't for the "week kneed". And pesonally I don't think that it should be. Minds at play! All forums.net!

Welcome! :)

tuck

I come from a retail background so naturally I would chose a retail approach. First have a clearly defined goal. In this case it would be what ever it is you are trying to communicate and the results desired from that communication.

Next you would choose your target audience as you can't be everything to everybody. Each target group will need a different approach since you don't market to a 12 year old in the same way you would market to a 30 year old.

Then you would research your target audience for various things; level of education, level of comprehension, interests and what piques it, etc.

Then choose the mostly likely route to success for that particular audience.

Does not your advise make posting on Internet forums impractical?

I believe in education that is fruitful to the common good, not just for the few. Problems seem to begin when an intellectual few seek to become the shepherds of all men.

There is a law called The Iron law of Oligarachy. This law states that in every society a few govern the many. Democracy was invented as a means for making this law as good as we can. Let the many choose those who govern. If the many are intellectually sophisticated I think they will make better judgments than if they are not so. The answer is to make the many into an intellectual elite thereby we can be governed by an intellectual elite through their choices of who to govern. Have I confused you yet?

Tuck

Tuck, only if you are a great deal older than 73 can you “have been playing/exploring with the concept of "self-actualization" since before you were born”.

Boy, you go right to the heart of the matter.

How can you, who comprehend an unusual meaning for a common word or phrase, cause me, who does not comprehend this unusual meaning, to become conscious of that new meaning? How does anyone convince another person to place on hold their intuition of the world long enough to widen that world view?

I have been, for several years, trying to convince readers on these Internet discussion forums to recognize that the common phrases ‘self-learning and critical thinking’ have meanings beyond their commonly understood meaning. It is a task that is far more difficult than I had ever imagined when I began. I get the standard replies we are all critical thinkers and we are all self-learners or you are preaching to members of the choir.

Why are people like turtles? People duck into their shell when encountering a new idea and won’t come out until that new idea has stayed in front of them for a very long time or until it goes away.

The more I wonder about what the phrase, self-actualized, means, the more I suspect it means the willingness to attribute meaning and worth to the term.

Does not your advise make posting on Internet forums impractical?

If you are speaking in a general manner then no it is not the least impractical. In fact it is highly practical.

I don't care if I sway masses of people to my opinion or not. I don't care if I even sway one. Posting on a forum such as this one is not about "teaching nor influencing" others. It is about having fun, stimulating my mind, interacting with others whom I would not normally have access to. In short posting on the internet is all about me.

This particular forum is excellent for that type of interaction. There is a huge age range as well as a big difference in political leaning. I have often had my opinion changed slightly by the way in which others present. But these "others" who have changed a held opinion have done so only after I have interacted with them for a time. I respect them even if they are my polar opposite.

Why are people like turtles? People duck into their shell when encountering a new idea and won’t come out until that new idea has stayed in front of them for a very long time or until it goes away. It's called survival. Why should anyone fully and quickly embrace the ideas of a total stranger on the internet. It goes back once again to my other post as well as the post Frogger made now that I read back. You CAN'T just throw a concept out there without tailoring it to a specific group if your goal is to teach. You also come across as cold and aloof if you want to know what it is like to read you on the other end. Your writing style does not exactly ooze warmth and scream magnetism.

Maybe it is not the idea people are avoiding, maybe it is the way it is presented. You come back to this forum then disappear for a while. Then pop up again. I have answered you before only to have you dismiss any interaction with me since I likely did not present in an intellectual manner. So I usually avoid your posts. This time you seem a little more approachable. Not so before. It is like you present your mind, with nothing behind it.

People are not robotic they need a bit of emotion. So now you have mine. :D

The more I wonder about what the phrase, self-actualized, means, the more I suspect it means the willingness to attribute meaning and worth to the term. Well there are two things necessary for self-actualization,self exploration and action. The deeper the self exploration, the closer one comes to self-actualization. It just means to become everything one is capable of becoming. And I'm sure you've had a lot of practice with self exploration!

It just means to become everything one is capable of becoming.
What a silly concept. No matter what one becomes, there is always something one can think of that one is also capable of, but they haven't done. Try again.

Originally Posted by Napsterbater
The more I wonder about what the phrase, self-actualized, means, the more I suspect it means the willingness to attribute meaning and worth to the term.
Well there are two things necessary for self-actualization,self exploration and action. The deeper the self exploration, the closer one comes to self-actualization. It just means to become everything one is capable of becoming. And I'm sure you've had a lot of practice with self exploration!

He does have a point though. I have heard this term kicked around since I was a teen. It used to hold great meaning for me. Now I think the term itself is HIGHLY questionable. I have met people who are self actualized who don't have a clue what the word means and have never thought about "self actualizing". Life kicked the crap out of them. It was self actualize, crawl into a hole and die or be a bitter, victimized individual.

It is not some lofty concept only for those who embrace the process. Sometimes life just happens and people become the best that they can be. Others, never move.

Maybe it is not the idea people are avoiding, maybe it is the way it is presented. You come back to this forum then disappear for a while. Then pop up again. I have answered you before only to have you dismiss any interaction with me since I likely did not present in an intellectual manner. So I usually avoid your posts. This time you seem a little more approachable. Not so before. It is like you present your mind, with nothing behind it.
Coberst reminds me of a fellow who I see at the coffee shop from time to time. Really, really smart dude, but has the social skills of a rock. But he's in his forties! You can see the intelligence in the way he moves, but you just can't talk to him, because he never self-actualized any social skills! I have no trouble imagining that he has a message board he goes to where he's continuously trying to educate people on the value of learning.

It isn't anti-intellectualism on the part of us, it's lack of social skills on the part of you. Intellectualism in your eyes, coberst, seems to be "uncaring for social graces."

I'm sure you're a smart guy, coberst, but you're never going to get anyone to listen to you until you learn how not to put them off with your cold manner.

A SA person does not worry about that! It's about the hear and now and not worrying about the final result. And it's not my concept I did not invent it!

He does have a point though. I have heard this term kicked around since I was a teen. It used to hold great meaning for me. Now I think the term itself is HIGHLY questionable. I have met people who are self actualized who don't have a clue what the word means and have never thought about "self actualizing". Life kicked the crap out of them. It was self actualize, crawl into a hole and die or be a bitter, victimized individual.

It is not some lofty concept only for those who embrace the process. Sometimes life just happens and people become the best that they can be. Others, never move.
My point is that no one can give a good definition of what it means to be self-actualized. It's like enlightenment. What I think is that all the people who used to sit around wondering about enlightenment, finally got tired of the term, then substituted self-actualization in order to feel better about having spent assloads of their lives wondering about a concept instead of getting out there and living life. But I think it still boils down to the fantasy of not having a shitty life.

A SA person does not worry about that! It's about the hear and now and not worrying about the final result. And it's not my concept I did not invent it!

afiner, that was not an attack on you...it was merely an attack on the term...

Nappy trying to tell someone how to have better social skills. Now that's a good one. ROTFL :lolhit:

My point is that no one can give a good definition of what it means to be self-actualized. It's like enlightenment. What I think is that all the people who used to sit around wondering about enlightenment, finally got tired of the term, then substituted self-actualization in order to feel better about having spent assloads of their lives wondering about a concept instead of getting out there and living life. But I think it still boils down to the fantasy of not having a shitty life.

I think you are dead on.

Which is why many people who are self actualized are simple everyday folk who have just learned to do the best they can with what life hands them and they have found a way to be happy with it.

I think in our everyday life that is what it is truly about. Even in our interaction with others. When someone has a problem and they talk to another about it and the two heads come up with a way to solve the problem or approach it with a better attitude that is the process of self actualizing. Both helping each other. Trying to bring things together for ourselves and the people around us.

Nappy trying to tell someone how to have better social skills. Now that's a good one. ROTFL :lolhit:
This coming from someone who answers attacks with a thumbs down and two words.

afiner, that was not an attack on you...it was merely an attack on the term... I think he can defend his own words don't you?

When someone has a problem and they talk to another about it and the two heads come up with a way to solve the problem or approach it with a better attitude that is the process of self actualizing.
I think the idea is that you do it yourself.

This coming from someone who answers attacks with a thumbs down and two words. The key word was attacks.

I think he can defend his own words don't you?

I don't have to "think" about it. I know he can. Chill out... you were non-specific in your post. I did not know whose post you were addressing. I was attempting to clarify my stand.

The key word was attacks.

two words.... anger management... lol

I think the idea is that you do it yourself.

Everyone does it themself but others help along the way. It's called a short cut. Why spend years trying to untangle yourself if someone already has a pair of scissors?

This topic post is confusing. First half is about communication with unseen audience. Second half complains about anti-intellectualism. Are these two subjects supposed to be connected? How?

They're connected because he's bitching about the latter to explain why he can't accomplish the former.

I see. By the way, I don't know if you noticed, but every topic cobert posts is all over a bunch of internet forums. Guess he's really serious about his research. I just noticed this the other day and thought it interesting to bring up.

Or just has entirely too much time on his hands.

Tuck

Tuck, only if you are a great deal older than 73 can you “have been playing/exploring with the concept of "self-actualization" since before you were born”.

Boy, you go right to the heart of the matter.

How can you, who comprehend an unusual meaning for a common word or phrase, cause me, who does not comprehend this unusual meaning, to become conscious of that new meaning? How does anyone convince another person to place on hold their intuition of the world long enough to widen that world view?

I have been, for several years, trying to convince readers on these Internet discussion forums to recognize that the common phrases ‘self-learning and critical thinking’ have meanings beyond their commonly understood meaning. It is a task that is far more difficult than I had ever imagined when I began. I get the standard replies we are all critical thinkers and we are all self-learners or you are preaching to members of the choir.

Why are people like turtles? People duck into their shell when encountering a new idea and won’t come out until that new idea has stayed in front of them for a very long time or until it goes away.

Sorry Coberst :) I remember now that you are older. It is just that your spirit feels young and that through me off. Opps :)

Why are people like turtles? :)

"Self-learning and critical thinking" requires the ability to question closely the foundations of one's own personality, that which makes you what you are as a self aware enity. The "I" that is "Me". Only rare people are actually capable of doing that and most of these people that can do that have gone through a lot of life trials and tribulations and survived them.

Basically nobody changes if they don't have too. Just because we should change :) doesn't cut it. And the kind of changes that you are promoting require years for most people and need to be done gently with a solid example to follow.

For most of us it is a complete restructuring of one's personality. I have been working on it for forty years. The quickest way of doing it is to cause a person to have a total nervous break down (and they will get suicidal) and then under a controlled environment rebuild their personality the way that you think that it should be done. Otherwise you are in for the long haul and slowly chipping away at things. Which then would require that you be a Guru and that they hung out with you so that with guidance they can study your example.

And "Sal" is right again :) (I love her!), I am not sure that it can be done on the internet (unless you are psychic :) and even then it is going to take time).

The best that you can do is to "incourage and help" those that have come to the same conclusion that you have, but have no idea how to do it. And with the understanding that it is a long haul reality.

So Coberst may I ask you this, "What is the simplest first step on the "path" toward Self-Actuallization?"

Love,

tuck

Sorry Coberst :) Basically nobody changes if they don't have too. Just because we should change :) doesn't cut it. Exactly right tuck. And even when making changes would greatly increase the quality of their life, or help to avoid extreme emotional pain, most people resist the change.

And to use an even more extreme example of humans avoiding change: after a major physical incident which could have killed the patient, when given a lifesaving diet to follow, one year later there is only a 10% compliance rate. How can that be, and yet it is. Alter your diet and save your life. Nope, just keep eating all those trans fats, have another heart attack or stroke. We are indeed creatures of habit.

Sal, I believe that many people feel that after a while in this life, there is simply no reason to go to the trouble/effort to change.

Exactly right tuck. And even when making changes would greatly increase the quality of their life, or help to avoid extreme emotional pain, most people resist the change.

And to use an even more extreme example of humans avoiding change: after a major physical incident which could have killed the patient, when given a lifesaving diet to follow, one year later there is only a 10% compliance rate. How can that be, and yet it is. Alter your diet and save your life. Nope, just keep eating all those trans fats, have another heart attack or stroke. We are indeed creatures of habit.

I love you Sal :) !

The best that I can come up with is that the Human mind is set in concrete. We would like to blame Satan for that :) but I am not sure that it is his fault. He may take advantage of this, but at the sametime, I don't actually think it is his fault.

As a younger person, my Mum once told me that a Catholic Priest once said, "Give me a child until they are "six", and they will be mine forever."

I don't know Sal :) but I think that priest was right. So here we are, a bunch of old folks dealing with "old folks" :) whose minds are set in "concrete", if at all possible.

Just ask "Nappy" wether his mind is set in "concrete" :) big balls or otherwise :) that boy is a challenge :)

Oh yah :) he will say no :)

Love you Sal!

John

Just ask "Nappy" wether his mind is set in "concrete" big balls or otherwise that boy is a challenge
As far as most of you are concerned, absolutely. I don't give just anyone access to the inner workings of my mind, and I think you're an idiot if you do. I have no problems sharing them, but those who think that gives them purchase to alter them, will quickly find themselves looking in the mirror at their own inadequacies.

Sal, I believe that many people feel that after a while in this life, there is simply no reason to go to the trouble/effort to change.

The question starts to be DanF, "Why are you a player?" :) Why are you not a part of the norm? Your mind is not set in "concrete" :) it just ain't.

Love,

tuck

As far as most of you are concerned, absolutely. I don't give just anyone access to the inner workings of my mind, and I think you're an idiot if you do. I have no problems sharing them, but those who think that gives them purchase to alter them, will quickly find themselves looking in the mirror at their own inadequacies.

Hi Nappy :) How is your load hanging :)

By the way Nappy :) , I love your sig., the lighter side of "Stud Muffin" "Mean Muffin"!

You are loved also (not that it matters :) ),

tuck

Sal, I believe that many people feel that after a while in this life, there is simply no reason to go to the trouble/effort to change.

You know, I think you are right Dan I just don't understand why. I had company last night for dinner. One of my friends is extremely overweight. Has been for years. She has developed high blood pressure. It takes two pills per day to keep her level. She has not cut back on her sodium consumption and instead of losing weight, has in fact gained.

She ate nearly 3 times what I ate. She had 3 helpings. I simply am mystified. It is like committing suicide via food. Which brings us back to the topic of self actualization. She has a lifestyle most would envy. Apparently it is not enough or she would not be 250 lbs.

Why would people NOT go to the trouble or effort to change when their whole world would improve? It baffles me.

"Mean Muggin'" is my User Title. My sig is the Japanese weirdness so pervasive across the lake.

Why would people NOT go to the trouble or effort to change when their whole world would improve? It baffles me.
She is changing. :eek:

I love you Sal :) !

The best that I can come up with is that the Human mind is set in concrete. We would like to blame Satan for that :) but I am not sure that it is his fault. He may take advantage of this, but at the sametime, I don't actually think it is his fault.

As a younger person, my Mum once told me that a Catholic Priest once said, "Give me a child until they are "six", and they will be mine forever."

I don't know Sal :) but I think that priest was right. So here we are, a bunch of old folks dealing with "old folks" :) whose minds are set in "concrete", if at all possible.

Just ask "Nappy" wether his mind is set in "concrete" :) big balls or otherwise :) that boy is a challenge :)

Oh yah :) he will say no :)

Love you Sal!

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Love ya right back there tuck. :) Why then do some people still manage to "escape" to break out of the mould? Many do, granted most do not but yet some are forced by life circumstances, others choose to, most get comfortable in their rut and die that way. How scary would that be?

And as I said before intellectualism and self actualization are not synonymous. In fact some of the most messed up people I have met were when I was dating a university prof. Those guys are frequently emotionally screwed yet quite brilliant.

I personally would choose to be less intelligent and have peace of mind rather than be brilliant and miserable.

She is changing. :eek:

That made me lol... yeah she is... damn ed if she could hardly fit into the patio chair... it literally groaned when she sat... I was a bit dicey wondering if the canvas would split. Luckily, it held.

If you don't mind sacrificing a chair for the dual purpose of laughing your ass off and teaching her a lesson, you should make a small rip in it and make sure she sits in that one.

Nappy the best that you can come up with is, "Minds at play!" "Wecome to All Forums.net! And I am a registered user :) "

Love you!

tuck

If you don't mind sacrificing a chair for the dual purpose of laughing your ass off and teaching her a lesson, you should make a small rip in it and make sure she sits in that one.

It's tough for me to admit this, but in my younger day, I would have. I still am a tad twisted as that also got a good laugh from me and a quick contemplation.

Love ya right back there tuck. :) Why then do some people still manage to "escape" to break out of the mould? Many do, granted most do not but yet some are forced by life circumstances, others choose to, most get comfortable in their rut and die that way. How scary would that be?

And as I said before intellectualism and self actualization are not synonymous. In fact some of the most messed up people I have met were when I was dating a university prof. Those guys are frequently emotionally screwed yet quite brilliant.

I personally would choose to be less intelligent and have peace of mind rather than be brilliant and miserable.

Damn Sal, Your wisdom is based on experience not some damn guru :) telling you how things should be :)

So Sal just for fun :) can we be brilliant and not miserable? I am a creative genius with a twice measured IQ of 130 to 125. My problem is my creative genuis. But science says that if your IQ is 130 to 125 that you have a chance with some kind of mesh with normal reality, as a creative genuis :)

We are assuming that Nappy is normal :) Ok? I am not! :) at all normal!

What is cool is that Sparky and you Sal and others like you allow me to be here. I thank God for this! At least relative me and my challenge.

And I do also thank Nappy for allowing me to explore somebody who is "Normal". Nappy are you "normal"? Do you find that threatening? I will bet that you say no :) that is what makes you fun!

Love you Sal! Please frogive me :) I know not what I do :)

tuck

And I do also thank Nappy for allowing me to explore somebody who is "Nomal". Nappy are you "normal"? Do you find that threatening? I will bet that you say no that is what makes you fun!
Who knows? I'd invite you to read my story, but you're not a Gold Member yet.

Who knows? I'd invite you to read my story, but you're not a Gold Member yet.

:)

tuck

The question starts to be DanF, "Why are you a player?" :) Why are you not a part of the norm? Your mind is not set in "concrete" :) it just ain't.Love,tuck

Tuck, I do not consider myself so much a "player."
I am much a listener, to learn.
Exchanging information is one of the reasons that each generation does not have to re-invent.

It is interesting that with the exchange of information, from generation to generation, also comes excess mental baggage that hinders us. It could be that the lady, Sal describes above, has not been able to sort out good, constructive, information from excess mental baggage she has been exposed to. Quite often information that we receive, that stays with us, is from a source that we trust. We just have to be aware that any information may contain certain flaws. It is difficult to transfer knowledge without giving up some of our own personal thoughts.

Tuck, I do not consider myself so much a "player."
I am much a listener, to learn.
Exchanging information is one of the reasons that each generation does not have to re-invent.

It is interesting that with the exchange of information, from generation to generation, also comes excess mental baggage that hinders us. It could be that the lady, Sal describes above, has not been able to sort out good, constructive, information from excess mental baggage she has been exposed to. Quite often information that we receive, that stays with us, is from a source that we trust. We just have to be aware that any information may contain certain flaws. It is difficult to transfer knowledge without giving up some of our own personal thoughts. Yeah I think there is something quite profound in that. I flashed immediately to a picture of her deceased father. I think you are dead on. I'll be thinking about that some more. Thanks.

Yeah I think there is something quite profound in that. I flashed immediately to a picture of her deceased father. I think you are dead on. I'll be thinking about that some more. Thanks.

Dan you are in trouble :) She is thinking of something more :) Guys get a room!

tuck