Why is this kid denied bail???!! This kid has been in jail for 9 months for 'beating up' a white boy - (he was taken to the hospital and then released the same day.:rolleyes: ) The judge is still denying him bail. But good ole O.J. gets bail real quick and others get bail real quick.


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JENA, La. - A judge on Friday denied a request to release a teenager whose arrest in the beating of a white classmate sparked this week's civil rights protest in Louisiana. Mychal Bell's request to be freed while an appeal is being reviewed was rejected at a juvenile court hearing, effectively denying him any chance at immediate bail, a person familiar with the case told The Associated Press. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because juvenile court proceedings are closed.

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Earlier, Bell's mother emerged from the hearing in tears, refusing to comment.

Bell, 17, was convicted of aggravated second-degree battery, which could have led to 15 years in prison. But his conviction was thrown out by a state appeals court that said he could not be tried on the charge as an adult because he was 16 at the time of the beating.

On Thursday, the case drew thousands of protesters to this tiny central Louisiana town to rally against what they see as a double standard of justice for blacks and whites. The march was one of the biggest civil rights demonstrations in years.

The case dates to August 2006, when a black Jena High School student asked the principal whether blacks could sit under a shade tree that was a frequent gathering place for whites. He was told yes. But nooses appeared in the tree the next day.

Three white students were suspended but not criminally prosecuted. LaSalle Parish District Attorney Reed Walters has said he could find no state law covering the act.

The incident was followed by fights between blacks and whites that culminated in the attack on Justin Barker, who was knocked unconscious on school grounds. According to court testimony, his face was swollen and bloodied, but he was able to attend a school function that night.

Five of the teens were originally charged with attempted second-degree murder — charges that have since been reduced for four of them. The sixth was booked as a juvenile on sealed charges.

Why is this kid denied bail???!! This kid has been in jail for 9 months for 'beating up' a white boy - (he was taken to the hospital and then released the same day. ) The judge is still denying him bail. But good ole O.J. gets bail real quick and others get bail real quick.

This was the kid's third arrest for violent behavior in a very short period of time. He didn't simply beat up a white boy, he and five black football player friends snuck up behind this white boy and beat him senseless.

Why is this kid denied bail???!! This kid has been in jail for 9 months for 'beating up' a white boy - (he was taken to the hospital and then released the same day. ) The judge is still denying him bail. But good ole O.J. gets bail real quick and others get bail real quick.

This was the kid's third arrest for violent behavior in a very short period of time. He didn't simply beat up a white boy, he and five black football player friends snuck up behind this white boy and beat him senseless.


Beaten Senseless?- victim was not even kept overnight. Does not sound that bad to me -

But if the kid had 2 priors, I guess that makes sense.

Why is this kid denied bail???!! This kid has been in jail for 9 months for 'beating up' a white boy - (he was taken to the hospital and then released the same day.:rolleyes: ) The judge is still denying him bail. But good ole O.J. gets bail real quick and others get bail real quick.


Since the other 5 have been released, I would surmise that this one may have been more responsible for what happened, than the others.

This kid was denied bail because the Judge has the liberty to do what he/she wants. It doesn't mean the Judge is right, it just means that he/she can let their authority go to their head, depending on the victim.

I would have denied the kid bail also. He is an habitually violent person who attacked two others in recent times. You don't simply put violent people back on the streets.

Interesting how laws differ from state-to-state regarding just who is an adult when it comes to crime.

He should be charged with a hate crime. I wonder how he'd like it if that happened.

This is turning into a huge media circus. See the number of lawyers the kid now has gratis of course? Maybe if the kid had a tad bit of attention from some decent male figure in his life a few years ago he wouldn't be assaulting people and heading into hell.

This is turning into a huge media circus. See the number of lawyers the kid now has gratis of course? Maybe if the kid had a tad bit of attention from some decent male figure in his life a few years ago he wouldn't be assaulting people and heading into hell.

That is a HUGE problem in this country - boys get very hostile when they have had no father figure.

That is a HUGE problem in this country - boys get very hostile when they have had no father figure.You bet, but that doesn't excuse it, I think.

You bet, but that doesn't excuse it, I think.


No it does not excuse it - but it's a vicious cycle.:(

It doesn't excuse it, it explains (part of) it. Many of our major problems are parts of just such a vicious cycle, yet all we do is treat the symptoms.

Sounds as if some are excusing the behavior of a (then) 16 year old kid - a sportsman & reportedly good student - who should have known that more than 1 on 1, except in football - is an unfair fight and not the right thing to do. The kid also has a previous juvenile record - that perhaps should have kept him from playing school sports - but didn't, yet one can hope the coach had a more than a few words of guidance for the kid. Maybe there are racial components to this case, but if one takes color out of it completly, is it still somehow an issue if the kid remains behind bars?

Sounds as if some are excusing the behavior of a (then) 16 year old kid - a sportsman & reportedly good student - who should have known that more than 1 on 1, except in football - is an unfair fight and not the right thing to do. The kid also has a previous juvenile record - that perhaps should have kept him from playing school sports - but didn't, yet one can hope the coach had a more than a few words of guidance for the kid. Maybe there are racial components to this case, but if one takes color out of it completly, is it still somehow an issue if the kid remains behind bars?
Actually, I think it's fine that he's still behind bars. He has a history of violent behavior. If ALL the kids were still in custody, then it would be an issue, no matter what their race.

Sounds as if some are excusing the behavior of a (then) 16 year old kid - a sportsman & reportedly good student - who should have known that more than 1 on 1, except in football - is an unfair fight and not the right thing to do. The kid also has a previous juvenile record - that perhaps should have kept him from playing school sports - but didn't, yet one can hope the coach had a more than a few words of guidance for the kid. Maybe there are racial components to this case, but if one takes color out of it completly, is it still somehow an issue if the kid remains behind bars?
I don't think anyone is excusing it. He is just another kid who fell through the cracks. Now because it is such a media circus everyone wants to jump on board and "help". If they had "helped" before the kid might not be there today. We all make choices and must live with consequences. He made his.

bullshit.... none of that is even answering the question posted here.... Why is he denied bail.....

because he and 5 other kids stomped on another kids face..... fuck color.... they beat another student 6 on one... So what if the kid wasnt horrible hurt.. he knows how to cover his head... good for him,,,probably saved his life...

And these leaders like SHarpton and Qualm Mohammad shocka Khan X to the 5th power leaders thing it should be handled within the school system and not have the police involved... thats bullshit...

So the white kids tossed some ropes in a tree... find the ones who did it and charge them for a third degree hate crime..... No problem,,, that was a red neck bullshit thing to do and they should pay for it..

But the 6 blacks who took the boots to one white guy... They need to go away for aggravated assault,and the hate crime...

"why was he denied bail?" how about because he has a rap sheet with one felony and one high grade misdemeanor on it.... wake up people... stop making everything about color and race....

"why was he denied bail?" how about because he has a rap sheet with one felony and one high grade misdemeanor on it.... wake up people... stop making everything about color and race....
Amen, LF.

Amen, LF.

I second that.

Agree, LF.

However, heard this morning that they're dropping the idea of charging him as an adult and he will soon be released on bail.

Can't really blame the blacks for raising a big stink about this... after all, they're becoming more and more overshadowed by the illegal immigrants and want to make sure they keep their $.02 worth out there.

One black lady from Dallas was interviewed on her way to Jena for the rally and she said, "We haven't had a good cause to get together like this since the 60's. About time."

Kinda like a family reunion, I guess.

;)
SMW

[QUOTE=smartmouthwoman]Agree, LF.

However, heard this morning that they're dropping the idea of charging him as an adult and he will soon be released on bail.

Can't really blame the blacks for raising a big stink about this... after all, they're becoming more and more overshadowed by the illegal immigrants and want to make sure they keep their $.02 worth out there.

One black lady from Dallas was interviewed on her way to Jena for the rally and she said, "We haven't had a good cause to get together like this since the 60's. About time."

Kinda like a family reunion, I guess.

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Reminds me of the time I was denied bail.
And by of all people,my own parents.
They went and bought a nice used sandbox and dint feel mush
like spendin any mores moola on stuff like bail and little plastic shovel.

One black lady from Dallas was interviewed on her way to Jena for the rally and she said, "We haven't had a good cause to get together like this since the 60's. About time."

Kinda like a family reunion, I guess.
How fucking sad is that? Seriously.

What you people don't seem to realize is that these fights started after the Whites hung three nooses from a tree where Blacks had asked permission to sit under on the school ground. Maybe now that they know they'll get their ass whipped, there won't be any more nooses hung. They're lucky that the Blacks 'asked' for permission in the first place. Now that the KKK is calling for retaliation, there will be lots more fighting and probably killing.

Just the idea of the damn nooses alone, is enough to set bail for the kid. WTF

bullshit.... none of that is even answering the question posted here.... Why is he denied bail.....

because he and 5 other kids stomped on another kids face..... fuck color.... they beat another student 6 on one... So what if the kid wasnt horrible hurt.. he knows how to cover his head... good for him,,,probably saved his life...

And these leaders like SHarpton and Qualm Mohammad shocka Khan X to the 5th power leaders thing it should be handled within the school system and not have the police involved... thats bullshit...

So the white kids tossed some ropes in a tree... find the ones who did it and charge them for a third degree hate crime..... No problem,,, that was a red neck bullshit thing to do and they should pay for it..

But the 6 blacks who took the boots to one white guy... They need to go away for aggravated assault,and the hate crime...

"why was he denied bail?" how about because he has a rap sheet with one felony and one high grade misdemeanor on it.... wake up people... stop making everything about color and race....

Is a classic illustration of how utterly Bias and unfair,so-called
black leaders are.They want to equate the hanging of a noose
from a tree { which isn't Illegal } with the actual CRIME of
Assualt.
The black community is feverishly trying to make it appear as if only
a typical schoolground fight ensued.
But 6-on-1 isn't a fight.
Plus the white kid,was ATTACKED.
He wasn't fighting.
But Blacks in this country are as thick as bricks,so what can
Society expect.

I never understood why in this country there are a group of people who generations ago tried so desperately to be equal and have the same rights,yet in this day in age do every and anything in their power to be separate,even at the expense of becoming faux victims...

You and 5 of your buddies take the boots to a single person and you pay. If you have a record you pay more.

Retaliation is not an excuse. Not even a good one....I dont care what ignorant thing some redneck kids did. I even read stories where that isnt even true about the tree being only for whites... I will try to find the same article i read.

Yeah, I really don't see how hanging nooses off trees should ever justify a 6-on-1 beating... maybe a 1-on-1 beating, but definitely not 6-on-1. It galls me how an entire population can defend that sort of behavior.

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By TODD LEWAN, AP National Writer Mon Sep 24, 8:00 AM ET


JENA, La. - It's got all the elements of a Delta blues ballad from the days of Jim Crow: hangman's nooses dangling from a shade tree; a mysterious fire in the night; swift deliberations by a condemning, all-white jury.

And drawn by this story, which evokes the worst of a nightmarish past, they came by the thousands this past week to Jena, La. — to demand justice, to show strength, to beat back the forces of racism as did their parents and grandparents.

But there are many in Jena who say the tale of the "Jena Six" — the black teenagers who were charged with attempted murder and conspiracy for attacking a white classmate at Jena High School last December — is not as simple as all that.

Black and white, they say that in its repeated retelling — enhanced by omissions and alterations of fact — the story has taken on a life of its own. It has transformed a school-yard stomping into an international cause celebre, and those accused of participating in it into what one major Southern daily came to describe as "latter-day Scottsboro Boys."
And they say that while their town's race relations are not unblemished, this is not the cauldron of bigotry that has been depicted.

To Ben Reid, 61, who set down roots in Jena in 1957 and lived here throughout the civil rights era, "this whole thing ain't no downright, racial affair."

Reid, who is black, presently serves on the LaSalle Parish council. He reads the papers. He hears the talk outside of church on Sundays about how the Jena Six business is dividing his hometown down racial lines.
He doesn't buy it.

"You have good people here and bad people here, on both sides. This thing has been blown out of proportion. What we ought to do is sit down and talk this thing out, 'cause once all is said and done and you media folks leave, we're the ones who're going to have to live here."
Clearly, something bad occurred in Jena, population 2,971, an old sawmill town in LaSalle Parish that, once upon a time, was Ku Klux Klan country. And, as most white and black residents readily agree, there is no good reason for embracing what unfolded here.

But what happened, exactly?
The story goes that a year ago, a black student asked at an assembly if he could sit in the shade of a live oak, which, the story goes, was labeled "the white tree" because only white students hung out there. The next day, three nooses dangled from the oak — code for "KKK" — the handiwork of three white students, who were suspended for just three days.

Much of that is disputed. What happened next is not: Two months later, an arsonist torched a wing of Jena High School. (The case remains unsolved.) Two fights between blacks and whites roiled the town that weekend, culminating in a school-yard brawl on Dec. 4 that led the district attorney to charge the Jena Six with attempted murder. The lethal weapon he cited to justify the charge: the boys' sneakers.

In July, the first to be tried, Mychal Bell, was convicted after two hours of deliberations by an all-white jury on reduced charges of aggravated battery and conspiracy to commit it.
(It was widely reported that Bell, now 17, was an honor student with no prior criminal record. Although he had a high grade-point average, he was, in fact, on probation for at least two counts of battery and a count of criminal damage to property. In any event, his conviction was overturned because an appeals court ruled he should not have been tried as an adult.)

There is, however, a more nuanced rendition of events — one that can be found in court testimony, in interviews with teachers, officials and students at Jena High, and in public statements from a U.S. attorney who reviewed the case for possible federal intervention.
Consider:


_The so-called "white tree" at Jena High, often reported to be the domain of only white students, was nothing of the sort, according to teachers and school administrators; students of all races, they say, congregated under it at one time or another.

_Two nooses — not three — were found dangling from the tree. Beyond being offensive to blacks, the nooses were cut down because black and white students "were playing with them, pulling on them, jump-swinging from them, and putting their heads through them," according to a black teacher who witnessed the scene.

_There was no connection between the September noose incident and December attack, according to Donald Washington, an attorney for the U.S. Justice Department in western Louisiana, who investigated claims that these events might be race-related hate crimes.

_The three youths accused of hanging the nooses were not suspended for just three days — they were isolated at an alternative school for about a month, and then given an in-school suspension for two weeks.

_The six-member jury that convicted Bell was, indeed, all white. However, only one in 10 people in LaSalle Parish is African American, and though 112 black residents were selected randomly by computer and summoned for jury selection, none showed up.

About 225 miles and a world apart from racially mixed New Orleans, Jena (pronounced JEE-nuh) is a throwback.
H
ere, one refers to elders as "Sir," and "Ma'am." Children still pull catfish from creeks; couples court at Jena Giants football games; families rope goats and calves at weekend rodeos.
I
n a place where per capita income is $13,761, there aren't any swank, French restaurants, but rather, family eateries such as the Burger Barn, Ginny's and Maw & Paw's. Most of Jena's 14-odd churches stage Easter egg hunts. On summer afternoons, sweet tea and lemonade on a neighbor's front porch are obligatory.

And there are endearing figures, like the designated town sweeper who mountain bikes around town with a wagon full of rakes, brooms, dustpans and cleaning fluids, stopping only to sweep shopowners' parking lots or to distribute complimentary bubble gum to grade schoolers.

Not all vestiges of the past are beloved, or quaint, of course.
There are no black lawyers, no black doctors and one black employee in the town's half-dozen banks. (The employee is male, an accountant who works out of public view.)

Economics play a role in this; with the closure of the sawmills in the '50s, the town now relies heavily on the exploitation of oil and natural gas, offshore. There are relatively few good-paying jobs in what is gradually becoming a retirement community, and some point out that African Americans with higher educations tend to leave the parish.

"If I could take you back to 60 years ago, and then fast forward to today, you'd have to say we've come a long way," says Billy Wayne Fowler, a white school-board member who is one of the few leaders with the school administration or local law enforcement who still talks to reporters.

Most townsfolk, he says, interpreted the events of last year pretty much the same way — that a small minority of troublemakers, both black and white, got out of hand, and that the responses from authorities weren't always on the mark.
The boys who hung the nooses "probably should have been expelled," Fowler says, and the murder charges brought against the black teenagers were "too harsh, too severe."

Tommy Farris, 27, an oil driller, and his wife, Nikki, 29, a registered nurse, concur — to a point. "Those boys should have expelled," says Nikki, who is white. "It was no innocent prank. I think those boys knew what they were starting by hanging those nooses from a tree."

Tommy, who is black, agrees. But free the Jena Six?
"That's not going to happen," he says, adding that he thinks the black teenagers are being given a fair chance to defend themselves against the charges.

Johnny Wilkinson, 44, a platform officer on an oil rig, and his wife, Karen, a 47-year-old director of nurses at the local hospital, are, like many couples in town, wrestling with that question of fairness.

The noose hanging was wrong, say the Wilkinsons, who are white, and the boys who did it should have been more severely punished.
Still, "They knocked that boy out cold and were stomping on him," Johnny says. "They might have killed him. I believe punishment would have been measured the same way if it had been the opposite way around and six whites had attacked a black kid."

Adds Karen: "A sentence of 15 years is fair, but I do think they should be eligible for parole. Who are we to say they can't be members of society?"

Reed Walters, the LaSalle Parish district attorney who is prosecuting the cases of the Jena Six, insisted the case "is not and never has been about race. It is about finding justice for an innocent victim and holding people accountable for their actions."

Huey Crockett, 50, lives with his wife, Carla, 45, in a heavily wooded, predominantly black district just beyond Jena's limits, an area known as "The Country." The Crocketts, who are black, have complained to police that Bell and other youngsters were causing trouble in their neighborhood — scratching cars with keys, breaking the windows of parked cars, spraying property with paint.
Ofcourse there is also the fact of the pictures posted on the MYSPACE of one of the Jena 6 of him playuing with large ammount of cash. Flashing it around like some rapper or ganster. He adds under the pic "I thanks you and my new 60 inch plasma screen HDTV thanks you for the donations to my legal defense fund...I am RICH BEOTCH"
The pics are here----------->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAZQlgPO8qc

Most townsfolk, he says, interpreted the events of last year pretty much the same way — that a small minority of troublemakers, both black and white, got out of hand, and that the responses from authorities weren't always on the mark.
The boys who hung the nooses "probably should have been expelled," Fowler says, and the murder charges brought against the black teenagers were "too harsh, too severe."

Tommy Farris, 27, an oil driller, and his wife, Nikki, 29, a registered nurse, concur — to a point. "Those boys should have expelled," says Nikki, who is white. "It was no innocent prank. I think those boys knew what they were starting by hanging those nooses from a tree."

Tommy, who is black, agrees. But free the Jena Six?
"That's not going to happen," he says, adding that he thinks the black teenagers are being given a fair chance to defend themselves against the charges.

Johnny Wilkinson, 44, a platform officer on an oil rig, and his wife, Karen, a 47-year-old director of nurses at the local hospital, are, like many couples in town, wrestling with that question of fairness.

The noose hanging was wrong, say the Wilkinsons, who are white, and the boys who did it should have been more severely punished.
Still, "They knocked that boy out cold and were stomping on him," Johnny says. "They might have killed him. I believe punishment would have been measured the same way if it had been the opposite way around and six whites had attacked a black kid."

Adds Karen: "A sentence of 15 years is fair, but I do think they should be eligible for parole. Who are we to say they can't be members of society?"


I agree with all of that above. Hanging nooses from a tree to intimidate black students? At most schools that would definitely warrant expulsion. And I think that attempted murder would be a little too harsh of a punishment.

I do think that this has been blown way out of proportion by everyone.

I agree with all of that above. Hanging nooses from a tree to intimidate black students? At most schools that would definitely warrant expulsion.

You think? If a some huge kid beat up another kid and took his lunch money, I bet that wouldn't earn an expulsion. You think hanging nooses from a tree is worse than actually attacking someone? I gotta say, I don't.

You think? If a some huge kid beat up another kid and took his lunch money, I bet that wouldn't earn an expulsion. You think hanging nooses from a tree is worse than actually attacking someone? I gotta say, I don't.
I didn't say that it was worse, I said that at most schools it would warrant expulsion. It's called a "hate crime". I didn't say I agreed with that, but at any school near where I live, it would've been a bigger deal. Just saying. Most schools have a "zero tolerance" policy for things like that. The student handbooks at every school I've attended and my brother has attended make that very clear. For example, a boy in my class was suspended for two weeks in 6th grade for wearing a shirt with a swastika on it. Not as bad I suppose, since it was not directed towards any particular students, and because there were literally no Jewish people or other minorities in the school...

The poor black community is also very upset that alot of these rich college kids and so called black leaders are being bussed in there and instead of taking on the plight of helping a poor community get further in life they are defending the exact element that is a product of decades of the above mentioned problem.

i am sure alot of the old timers were thrilled to beans at the sight if the blank panthers rolling in,and the fact many people are happy about this situation because it the first time they had something to protest about in years...

Aw gee - well he was released anyway!

Did you ever get your ass kicked in high school for doing something really stupid? (tell the truth, now)

Kinda like that. Should it be punished? Of course.

Attempted murder? Give me a break. Yeah - he had priors - but the attempted murder charge is ridiculous.

If the boy had remained unconscious, or stayed in the hospital in intensive care, I would think someone was definitely trying to injure him severely, or even kill him, but a black eye? A few cuts and bruises? Out of the hospital in two hours? Felt well enough to attend a party? Would you be able to attend a party after you were 'almost murdered'? Come on..This was a fight where a tennis shoe does no more harm than the foot without a shoe. They kicked him, not stomped him; get it right. They could have killed him...he's damn lucky they weren't that mean.

Did you know that everyone including, ultimately, the DA himself agreed that the DA had initially overcharged Bell (and the other defendants) - that is, that there were no facts upon which any jury could have convicted him/them of second degree murder?

Did you know that had the DA originally charged the defendant with aggravated battery - which is what he went to trial with, under the law of the State of Louisianna, the Defendant never could have been tried as an adult?

Did you know that the Court of Appeals concluded in fact that Bell should have been tried as a juvenile in juvenile court?

Did you know that the DA succeeded in getting the Court to order Bell tried as an adult only because of the ridiculous murder charge brought against Bell in the first instance?

Were you aware that the DA stated at a public school assembly before witnesses, "With one stroke of his pen he could make their lives disappear."

I recall you were aware that three white boys hung nooses in school colors from the "White" tree in direct response to black students rejecting the white only "concept". Are you aware that the white students could have been prosecuted for a federal hate crime but for the fact that they were not adults?

Unequal justice does not require two sets of laws. One set of laws applied differently to two groups of people - that will do.

When it walks, talks, quacks and shits like a duck . . .Jena "justice" just does not pass the smell test.

...but if those six had used a taser on him.... then they should get murder one.

LOL

They could have killed him...he's damn lucky they weren't that mean.
Yeah, he should count his lucky stars. :rolleyes:

Are you fucking retarded?

...but if those six had used a taser on him.... then they should get murder one.

LOL

Yeah like I really said the cops should get a murder conviction for tasering the student. hee, hee, heee, hee, sure.

Yeah like I really said the cops should get a murder conviction for tasering the student. hee, hee, heee, hee, sure.

Come on now dont be like that. Your trying to say her views on the Florida kid that got tasered and this jena case are the same. They are two totally different issues completely.. apples and oranges..

Honestly guys.... Sassy doesnt fight like that,you guys shouldn't come out swinging below the belt on her.

Lets stop and think for a minute. Does anyone doubt what the reaction would have been if the races, of these kids, were reversed.

Come on now dont be like that. Your trying to say her views on the Florida kid that got tasered and this jena case are the same. They are two totally different issues completely.. apples and oranges..

Honestly guys.... Sassy doesnt fight like that,you guys shouldn't come out swinging below the belt on her.
I'm not comparing the two incidents as the same. And I'm not just picking on sassy. I just thought that it was funny that many of those that thought the 6 cops tasering the disruptive UF student was excessively violent, but the 6 thugs that kicked the one guy was "not that bad" (after all, he only had some heavy contusions and was able to go out that evening :rolleyes:)

If there was 6 white kids beating on one black kid those busses full of students would of been 50 fold...

If those white kids where not swiftly but in front of the judge jury and executioner and the harshest penalty allowed by law was not given out,we would probably have riots.. I love those.. oppressed blacks getting so frustrated with inequality that once they reach their boiling point and cant take it any more they rally together go out into the streets,,,,,, and loot and pillage the city and neighborhoods they actually live in...

class acts there...

Excellent post, LF.

http://www.foxnews.com/images/310573/1_61_100107_school.jpg (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298778,00.html#)


GRAMBLING, La. — Officials at Grambling State University were meeting Monday after the school newspaper ran photographs of adults at a campus-run elementary school putting a noose around at least one child's neck.
Kindergarten and first-grade students at Alma J. Brown Elementary School were being taught why nooses are a symbol of racism, an article from the historically black university's student newspaper said.

Grambling State University Investigates Pictures of Noose Lesson (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298778,00.html)

Kindergarten and first-grade students at Alma J. Brown Elementary School were being taught why nooses are a symbol of racism, an article from the historically black university's student newspaper said.
Well, if they weren't teaching their children what racism was, then who would? IMHO, that's a great lesson for a kindergartner to learn. Highly valuable in today's society, no doubt.

http://www.foxnews.com/images/310573/1_61_100107_school.jpg (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298778,00.html#)


GRAMBLING, La. — Officials at Grambling State University were meeting Monday after the school newspaper ran photographs of adults at a campus-run elementary school putting a noose around at least one child's neck.
Kindergarten and first-grade students at Alma J. Brown Elementary School were being taught why nooses are a symbol of racism, an article from the historically black university's student newspaper said.

Grambling State University Investigates Pictures of Noose Lesson (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298778,00.html)


A noose is/was nothing more than a means of execution, just like a rifle. Its no more a symbol of racism than a Cadillac was, in its day.

Lets stop and think for a minute. Does anyone doubt what the reaction would have been if the races, of these kids, were reversed.

Not at all.

The whites --figuratively-- have been beating up the blacks in this country for 300-400 years.

After a meager 300+ years, it was finally brought to a halt.

Poooooooor pooooooooooooor whitey.

Actually, the Whites would still be beating up on the Blacks if they could get by with it. But, they know the Blacks will whip their asses, and they're scared. That's why they sneak around and do their shit.

Actually, the Whites would still be beating up on the Blacks if they could get by with it. But, they know the Blacks will whip their asses, and they're scared. That's why they sneak around and do their shit.


Guess thats why most crimes, effecting black communities, are black on black crimes. Whites are just to afraid to pull that shit.

In my experience, blacks are the first to cry "racism" when it looks like the cards are stacked against them. I've seen it in the workplace many times - when called on behavior the common response is " .. you're picking on me because I'm black ..." and then threaten to run to the NAACP to get plenty of backup.

Guess thats why most crimes, effecting black communities, are black on black crimes. Whites are just to afraid to pull that shit.
Yeah, Whites are scared to do it in Black communities, but they do their share of blowing up kids in school (another cowardly act).

I agree that there's black on black crime in black communities, but the percentage of deaths by killing one bro at a time, is far less than killing multitudes at school. These blacks are not cowards, they face their rivals face to face.

How can they be face to face when one group is in a moving vehicle and the other on the street? Yeah, that's real brave.

Yeah, Whites are scared to do it in Black communities, but they do their share of blowing up kids in school (another cowardly act).

I agree that there's black on black crime in black communities, but the percentage of deaths by killing one bro at a time, is far less than killing multitudes at school. These blacks are not cowards, they face their rivals face to face.


B/S. I've never seen, or heard of, a black, one on one fight, outside of a boxing ring. It's always a group thing.

How can they be face to face when one group is in a moving vehicle and the other on the street? Yeah, that's real brave.
They let them know before they shoot, by blowing their horn or flashing their lights in order for the rival to know exactly who they are. They want each other to know. Most times these cars stop still to be seen and them shoot and if anyone gets hit, it's usually just one.

B/S. I've never seen, or heard of, a black, one on one fight, outside of a boxing ring. It's always a group thing.
Maybe it just depends on where one live. Different strokes for different folks.

Actually, the Whites would still be beating up on the Blacks if they could get by with it. But, they know the Blacks will whip their asses, and they're scared. That's why they sneak around and do their shit.

Oh !,I get it.Like in them Prison movies of the 40's and 50's.
But,in them thar Movies,it was always the Whitey gettin beat
real good,by other Whiteys.
And of course Jim Brown tried to play that theory out,to some effect
in Movies.But,that dint explain the TIME magazine article that ran
near 15 years ago,profilling how Big Jim Fullback, liked to Party Real
Harty with his stable of white chicks,Smackin and back-handin
them White * " bitches " to kingdom come.
In fact, the Gangsta Rap movement couldn't have gotten far
w/o at least somes White Bitches bein held under.
Of course this all comes as a complete surprise to you...Righto.?
It's my expert opinion,that Most Colored's actually sneak around.
In true point of fact,I cannot literally go anywhere w/o at least
personally watchin a Colored,firsthand,pull some sort of
shit.Whether in a Wal*Mart or at a Gas stop.
SHIFTLESS comes to mind.
That word was indeed created for certain folk.


* The word Bitches was used in reference to what Jim Brown
called his hussies.

The word Bitches was used in reference to what Jim Brown
called his hussies.
Actually the bitches started long time ago upstairs in those ole saloons. They tried to give them a sugar-coated name, but we know they were nothing but bitches and ho's.

M&M, what do you have against white people? I'm white, and I don't want to beat up on black people or blow up my school. I'm pretty sure none of my white friends want to either.

Actually, the Whites would still be beating up on the Blacks if they could get by with it. But, they know the Blacks will whip their asses, and they're scared. That's why they sneak around and do their shit.
Yeah, Whites are scared to do it in Black communities, but they do their share of blowing up kids in school (another cowardly act).
It's statements like this that perpetuate racism. Go take your sanctimonious bullshit and shove it up your ass.

M&M, what do you have against white people? I'm white, and I don't want to beat up on black people or blow up my school. I'm pretty sure none of my white friends want to either.
I do. I can't go a day without beating me up a darkie. It's like an addiction, I tell ya!

Mean kids ought to be playing football. That way they can hit somebody and get PAID for it.
Talk to Romeo Crennel or any other head coach looking for a few good men..... He has a job for you.

The whites --figuratively-- have been beating up the blacks in this country for 300-400 years.

.

Not my family--sorry.

Not my family--sorry.
Mine either. 3/4 of my family were poor people in Europe until after slavery was outlawed.

Mean kids ought to be playing football. That way they can hit somebody and get PAID for it.
Talk to Romeo Crennel or any other head coach looking for a few good men..... He has a job for you.

Bill O'Reilly and Bill Bennett would disagree.
Bennett did a Talk Radio Hour on just this subject.
The subject of whether teaching Kids How to hit in Football is
a positive.Bennett said yes.That Football is a Team effort.Coaches
shouldn't teach how to hurt an opponent.The object of a down lineman
{ Bennett and his son were down lineman} is to Push or pull and
knock down an opponent,NOT to inflict harm.The objective of Football
is a team effort and strategy.Not to see another player being taken
from the field by stretcher.It's a Positive for a kid to know the
hard work {summer camp training in heat } and discipline {playing
in the cold or rain} required to be a Football player.It will prepare
kids for the future,when the going gets tought to have
sticktoitiveness and rally for a goal.Having goals and plodding to
reach them,in the face of adversity is what Living life is basically all
about.Not smash mouthing another to feel good about oneself.
Catholics believe strongly in Team sports as extra-curricular.
To put forth efforts in a group setting and reaching goals for a
common cause.

Well, my family was here since 1620 but none owned slaves. We did our own work--like many many others did---both here and abroad.

Bill O'Reilly and Bill Bennett would disagree.
Bennett did a Talk Radio Hour on just this subject.
The subject of whether teaching Kids How to hit in Football is
a positive.Bennett said yes.That Football is a Team effort.Coaches
shouldn't teach how to hurt an opponent.The object of a down lineman
{ Bennett and his son were down lineman} is to Push or pull and
knock down an opponent,NOT to inflict harm.The objective of Football
is a team effort and strategy.Not to see another player being taken
from the field by stretcher.It's a Positive for a kid to know the
hard work {summer camp training in heat } and discipline {playing
in the cold or rain} required to be a Football player.It will prepare
kids for the future,when the going gets tought to have
sticktoitiveness and rally for a goal.Having goals and plodding to
reach them,in the face of adversity is what Living life is basically all
about.Not smash mouthing another to feel good about oneself.
Catholics believe strongly in Team sports as extra-curricular.
To put forth efforts in a group setting and reaching goals for a
common cause.

That is very true. Unfortunately, pain plays a big part as well--which is why the average NFL player's career lasts only 2 years. Those guys DO hit and hit hard.

That is very true. Unfortunately, pain plays a big part as well--which is why the average NFL player's career lasts only 2 years. Those guys DO hit and hit hard.

" Pain " is not the end goal of team sports.It's a by-product.
Jogging has much pain involved.Having jogged for years,I can
personally attest to the " pain " often imvolved in being a good
jogger.One has to work around it to be a successfull jogger.
Develop a pain threshold.
Yes,the NFL is extremely hard-hitting and punishing.
But Pain is not the objective.Winning is.
And some Great NFL players,like Dick Butkus and Ray Nitschke
had notorious bad reps as mean and hurting players.
I guess it's easier to play a game like Football if one is
psychologically psyched-up to Hit and hit hard.
But many a tough NFL player,were damn near Saints.
Rosie Greer being one.Mike Singletary was another.
And of course the Great Notre Dame football coach,Lou Holtz was
about as menacing a brute as that Arnold Stang,fella.
I bet Penn State great,Joe Paterno could speak eloquently about
Football,Pain and the connection.

They let them know before they shoot, by blowing their horn or flashing their lights in order for the rival to know exactly who they are. They want each other to know. Most times these cars stop still to be seen and them shoot and if anyone gets hit, it's usually just one.


Maybe it just depends on where one live. Different strokes for different folks.
You're insane. And my guess is black.

Not at all.

The whites --figuratively-- have been beating up the blacks in this country for 300-400 years.

After a meager 300+ years, it was finally brought to a halt.

Poooooooor pooooooooooooor whitey.


Exactly history speaks for itself :cool:

The whites --figuratively-- have been beating up the blacks in this country for 300-400 years.
After a meager 300+ years, it was finally brought to a halt.
Poooooooor pooooooooooooor whitey.

Exactly history speaks for itself :cool:


Blacks --actually--have been beating up and killing other blacks, worldwide, for thousands of years. They have also been enslaving each other for the same period of time.

and it has not stopped

Yes, history does speak for itself....quite loudly.

Blacks --actually--have been beating up and killing other blacks, worldwide, for thousands of years. They have also been enslaving each other for the same period of time.

and it has not stopped

Yes, history does speak for itself....quite loudly.


Moderate - WHITES have been beating up and killing each other worldwide for thousands of years.:rolleyes: It goes the same for both sides. I'm sorry, you don't see the slavery America imposed on them in the past and the public lynchings they endured, among other things, as at all unfair? I love America, and I am white - but that was a dreadful period for those people.

I personally don't and never will understand why white people living today are supposed to feel guilty for something that happened in the past--not just in America, but in most countries at some point in their history--has our Civil War been forgotton so quickly?

THAT'S what bothers me--I REFUSE to feel guilty and/or make excuses for thugs for something that happened generations ago.

I personally don't and never will understand why white people living today are supposed to feel guilty for something that happened in the past--not just in America, but in most countries at some point in their history--has our Civil War been forgotton so quickly?

THAT'S what bothers me--I REFUSE to feel guilty and/or make excuses for thugs for something that happened generations ago.

I don't feel personally guilty, but the whole thing is a very sad and ugly indictment of America and the principles it (supposedly) stands for. For that, I have many regrets.

Moderate - WHITES have been beating up and killing each other worldwide for thousands of years.:rolleyes: It goes the same for both sides. I'm sorry, you don't see the slavery America imposed on them in the past and the public lynchings they endured, among other things, as at all unfair? I love America, and I am white - but that was a dreadful period for those people.


I'm sorry, but considering the treatment my people have received from whites and blacks alike, I'm not overly concerned with how you have treated each other, in the past. Its in the past, get over it. Just stop acting like you're all victims, and start behaving like human beings.

The biggest crime problems I face, on any of my rental properties, are drug related. In, nearly, every case its blacks shooting other blacks, or breaking into apartments, and most of them don't even live on the premises. Security guards and fences don't keep them out.

I'm sorry, you don't see the slavery America imposed on them in the past and the public lynchings they endured, among other things, as at all unfair?
He said nothing of the sort. You're one balmy bitch.

I don't feel personally guilty, but the whole thing is a very sad and ugly indictment of America and the principles it (supposedly) stands for. For that, I have many regrets.
I absolutely agree with this.

As long as we're working to make it better, then I see the whole argument as nothing more than crying over spilt milk.

I personally don't and never will understand why white people living today are supposed to feel guilty for something that happened in the past--not just in America, but in most countries at some point in their history--has our Civil War been forgotton so quickly?

THAT'S what bothers me--I REFUSE to feel guilty and/or make excuses for thugs for something that happened generations ago.

You are not asked to feel guilty - just compassion and understanding for what they went through - but hey, you don't have to feel that, if you can't.

It's statements like this that perpetuate racism. Go take your sanctimonious bullshit and shove it up your ass.
I'd rather shove it up yours if you're not too scared and run.

M&M, what do you have against white people? I'm white, and I don't want to beat up on black people or blow up my school. I'm pretty sure none of my white friends want to either.
I have nothing against white people as a whole, but it's the racist rednecks that pisses me sometime.

No offense meant M&M, but your remarks sounded pretty racist to me.

Red Cross Aid (http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/jena.asp)Supplied to Jena Marchers


On September 20, 2007, the American Red Cross provided humanitarian aid at ten comfort stations in Jena. The Red Cross used existing disaster relief funds to pay for these services.
Organizers for the march instructed those attending to not purchase anything from local merchants.
***

I'd rather shove it up yours if you're not too scared and run.


I have nothing against white people as a whole, but it's the racist rednecks that pisses me sometime.

There are plenty of racist rednecks in black skin - perhaps even more than those in white skin.

:rant:

I have nothing against white people as a whole, but it's the racist rednecks that pisses me sometime.
I have nothing against black people as a whole, but I sure as shit hate the ones with two-digit IQs - IOW's, 80% of 'em. That said, 1 in 3 are in some stage of the correctional system. Now, does that strike you as an incredible coincidence, or is it me? Wait - lemme guess......that MUST be whity's fault, right? Heaven forefend!!!

What's your mantra, again: "they're not 'criminals', they're impoverished", right?

Give it a rest, you one-trick pony.

Good lord, we're not doing much to improve race relations on this thread, are we?

I'm still pondering a response to learning that the Red Cross showed up. Sure makes me reconsider all those donations over the past 30+ years.

I have nothing against black people as a whole, but I sure as shit hate the ones with two-digit IQs - IOW's, 80% of 'em. That said, 1 in 3 are in some stage of the correctional system. Now, does that strike you as an incredible coincidence, or is it me? Wait - lemme guess......that MUST be whity's fault, right? Heaven forefend!!!

What's your mantra, again: "they're not 'criminals', they're impoverished", right?

Give it a rest, you one-trick pony.

There are just as many, or more, white criminals as it is black. It's just that the crooked system is not sending the whites to prison. That make it look like there are more black criminals. Anyone with commonsense already know that though.

Given there are a majority of whites in the U.S., it stands to reason there are more white criminals.

Yeah, the entire justice system is nothing more than an exercise in social racism inclined only toward imprisoning the black criminal. Who the hell do you think you're kidding?

Yeah, the entire justice system is nothing more than an exercise in social racism inclined only toward imprisoning the black criminal. Who the hell do you think you're kidding?
Exactly.

Given there are a majority of whites in the U.S., it stands to reason there are more white criminals.
As the population stands, like try 8:1, yet blacks represent 50% of the prison populace. Go figure. (and I'm the one who lacks common sense :rolleyes: )

Good lord, we're not doing much to improve race relations on this thread, are we?
Without trying to sound like a child - she started it. And I think there are others here who'll attest to that fact.

Okay, if I started it, I'll end it. I'm done with this thread. You all that's talking smack to me, just go screw yourselves. :upyours:

Good lord, we're not doing much to improve race relations on this thread, are we?

OK,You first.Please explain how Jesse and Al and the NAACP
are helping the cause of race relations.?
Seems to be they're basically shill'n for the trouble Blacks
often find themself in.
And usually at the cost of assuming that Whitey IS always keepin
em down.
It's Whitey's fault that near 70% of black families are FATHERLESS.

You can blame that on the latest welfare reform bill that made a welfare check an acceptable replacement for a father. That was passed by Whitey.

Good lord, we're not doing much to improve race relations on this thread, are we?
Well I think we all knew already that Prae is kind of a racist jackass, so this M&Mdelite chick coming in here and goading him with her negative comments about white people was a recipe for disaster.

Well I think we all knew already that Prae is kind of a racist jackass, so this M&Mdelite chick coming in here and goading him with her negative comments about white people was a recipe for disaster.
I think M&Mdelite is more of a racist jackass than Prae is, but she gets away with it because racism against whites is PC. I've never seen Prae imply anything that all blacks are such and such, but damned if M&M didn't say that all whites want to beat up black people. Not to mention her being an apologist for crimes committed by blacks, for some bullshit race-related reason. Why can't we just fucking treat people the same regardless of how much pigment is in their skin, for God's sake? Is that so fucking hard?

I think M&Mdelite is more of a racist jackass than Prae is, but she gets away with it because racism against whites is PC. I've never seen Prae imply anything that all blacks are such and such, but damned if M&M didn't say that all whites want to beat up black people. Not to mention her being an apologist for crimes committed by blacks, for some bullshit race-related reason. Why can't we just fucking treat people the same regardless of how much pigment is in their skin, for God's sake? Is that so fucking hard?
I completely agree with those last two questions.

I've just had more experience with Prae's racist jackass-ism... Plus it's more annoying because you just can't prove that anything he says is wrong. He's a slippery bastard! :lolhit:

You can blame that on the latest welfare reform bill that made a welfare check an acceptable replacement for a father. That was passed by Whitey.

Yes,it surely WAS Whitey who started the welfare state rolling.
A Liberal Whitey { L.B.J.} and his Great Society.Along with
40 + Years of Liberal Whitey's in Congress.
However ...New Whitey Newt Gingrich and the new Republican
majoirty in '94 quickly made History by pressuring a nutter
Whitey { Cracker boy Slick Willy } into Passing Welfare Reform.
Therefore you have no right to corner Whitey with such
accusatory Guilt about Minority Fatherlessness.
There are Whitey's and then There ARE Whities.

You are not asked to feel guilty - just compassion and understanding for what they went through - but hey, you don't have to feel that, if you can't.

I have sympathy for what they went through generations ago, but if "compassion" today means looking the other way and/or making excuses for thuggish behavior, then I have none. My true compassion lies with the true victim in this case.

I have sympathy for what they went through generations ago, but if "compassion" today means looking the other way and/or making excuses for thuggish behavior, then I have none. My true compassion lies with the true victim in this case.


Absolutely not! My compassion does not mean looking the other way or making excuses when a criminal act is comitted. I never said that. I just felt the original charge was too harsh. They should ALL be punished, but attempted murder? uh, uh.:confused:

There's no one presently alive who had anything to do with the slavery issue during the 19th Century, and there's damn few left who had anything to do with the lynchings that took place during the 20th Century. Those that did are being hunted down and brought to trial much as the remnants of the Nazi regime are sought by various prosecutors world wide.
While being very aware of this history, there is no reason, IMO, for anyone today to carry any amount of guilt or responsiblility for the actions of their forebearers.

it was an ugly time in history.. much like the atomic bombings of japan... anyone feel guilty about that?

DUNLAP, Tenn. — A crossword puzzle assigned as a homework lesson for fifth-graders studying a book about the 19th-century South asked them to use a racial slur — the N-word — as an answer.
At least one parent complained and the teacher, who is white, apologized to the parents of her students, said Donald Johnson, principal of Sequatchie County Middle School.
Johnson said the teacher obtained the crossword from a Web site, edHelper.com, a membership Web site that offers reading lessons, puzzles and other materials for teachers to download for use in class.
No phone number or contact name was listed on the Web site. An e-mail seeking comment Tuesday was not immediately returned.
A parent, Clifford Branan, said his son's teacher assigned the homework Friday, as a supplement to "Sounder," a book his class is reading. The book is commonly used in classrooms nationwide to illustrate racial bigotry and sharecropping hardships through the eyes of a young black boy.
Branan said he could not believe the puzzle with words like cabin, smokehouse and lantern also included the N-word along with its clue, "17 across: An insulting way to label a black person."
He said the word crosses the line between history and hate. "It's not something you want to teach," Branan said.
"A mistake was made," Johnson said Tuesday. "This word should have never come up on a worksheet like this. I can't defend it."
Johnson said the teacher, whom he declined to identify, "justifies it as a way to teach about how it was at that time."
Johnson said the puzzle answers were words associated with the book. The principal said he was unsure if any black students were given the assignment.
Dunlap is about 22 miles northwest of Chattanooga.

:bombout: (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,299083,00.html)

Shouldnt the teacher pre read what he hands out? Or is he just downloading and passing them around?