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coberst
09-16-2007, 06:16 AM
The leap of faith into absolutes.

Karl Popper authored the book “The Open Society and Its Enemies”. The concept Popper illustrates in this book sounds much like the concept of a liberal democracy but his concept is more epistemological than political. It is based upon our imperfect comprehension of reality more than our structure of society.

Popper argues that all ideology shares a common characteristic; a belief in their infallibility. Such infallibility is an impossibility, which leads such ideological practitioners to use force to substantiate their views and such repression brings about a closed society.

Popper proposed that the open society is constructed on the recognition that our comprehension of reality is not perfect—there is realty beyond our comprehension and our will cannot compensate for that lack of comprehension. Even though the will of the power structure can manipulate the opinions of the citizens sooner or later reality will defeat the will. Truth does matter and success will not always override truth—truth being reality.

American culture has lost respect for truth. We have been swamped with PR and spin and untruth to such an extent that we have lost confidence in truth and it has lost its value.

I think that many Americans display and embrace their symbols so extravagantly because we have devalued truth and have glorified infallibility. When we reach such a situation ideologies become more and more important and the adoration of symbols is our method of showing our evaluation of our ideology which is one of our gods.

I think that for many Americans the natural sciences have come to represent that which is infallible. Rather than a solution science/technology has become the problem because it is ill used, especially when applying the scientific method when dealing with human problems.

I think that the more attached we are to what we consider to be absolute truth the more we idolize such things as science/technology and symbols such as flags, nations, and religion. Would you agree?

Napsterbater
09-16-2007, 06:34 AM
I reserve my idolatry for the man who invented breast implants. Is this okay?

Blob
09-16-2007, 06:41 AM
Would you agree?Absolutely. :thumbs:

DanF
09-16-2007, 10:39 AM
...I think that the more attached we are to what we consider to be absolute truth the more we idolize such things as science/technology and symbols such as flags, nations, and religion. Would you agree?


Yes, although I would like to add that I feel that the manifestation could present itself in the attachment to a truth that all symbols and idolization are false.

Napsterbater
09-16-2007, 10:43 AM
Yes, although I would like to add that I feel that the manifestation could present itself in the attachment to a truth that all symbols and idolization are false.
My thoughts exactly.

coberst
09-16-2007, 12:11 PM
We live in two different worlds.

I recently had occasion to hang out in the waiting area of St Joseph Hospital in Asheville for a few hours. I was free to walk many of the corridors and rest in many of the waiting areas along with everyone else. It was early morning but it was obvious that the hospital functioned fully 24/7.

A person can walk the corridors of any big city hospital and observe the effectiveness of human rationality in action. One can also visit the UN building in NYC or read the morning papers and observe just how ineffective, frustrating and disappointing human rationality can be. Why does human reason perform so well in some matters and so poorly in others?

We live in two very different worlds; a world of technical and technological order and clarity, and a world of personal and social disorder and confusion. We are increasingly able to solve problems in one domain and increasingly endangered by our inability to solve problems in the other.

Normal science is successful primarily because it is a domain of knowledge controlled by paradigms. The paradigm defines the standards, principles and methods of the discipline. It is not apparent to the laity but science moves forward in small incremental steps. Science seldom seeks and almost never produces major novelties.

Science solves puzzles. The logic of the paradigm insulates the professional group from problems that are unsolvable by that paradigm. One reason that science progresses so rapidly and with such assurance is because the logic of that paradigm allows the practitioners to work on problems that only their lack of ingenuity will keep them from solving.

Science uses instrumental rationality to solve puzzles. Instrumental rationality is a systematic process for reflecting upon the best action to take to reach an established end. The obvious question becomes ‘what mode of rationality is available for determining ends?’ Instrumental rationality appears to be of little use in determining such matters as “good” and “right”.

There is a striking difference between the logic of technical problems and that of dialectical problems. The principles, methods and standards for dealing with technical problems and problems of “real life” are as different as night and day. Real life problems cannot be solved only using deductive and inductive reasoning.

Dialectical reasoning methods require the ability to slip quickly between contradictory lines of reasoning. One needs skill to develop a synthesis of one point of view with another. Where technical matters are generally confined to only one well understood frame of reference real life problems become multi-dimensional totalities.

Inviolable
09-16-2007, 01:23 PM
I'm a big fan of personal observation. I think people don't often understand themselves enough to be precise about who they are. It gets confusing and sometimes I see people borrowing from someone else what they find acceptable about that person. Actually we all do it in hero worship in one form or another.

I think it's a mechanism within us all that helps us to learn from each other.
I also think it's a mechanism that people often forget about and take a little to far sometimes.

If you think about it, the bills you pay and where you live, to a lesser extent is who you are. You can't personalize your electric bill and heat bill so much but it can demonstrate the kind of life you live by how much you use them.
Things like your car bill and cable bill, the kind of insurance you have.
You picked the plan on your cable bill that you liked the best for whatever reason. The car you drive is the same thing. Everything you put money into is more then likely something you're paying for because it's something that provides you with some type of comfort.

Look around your living room, thats who you are. You ever feel uncomfortable in someone elses house? Thats because you're standing in who they are.
Not to sound like Freddy Kruger.

It sounds stupid, but if we take notice of things like that we will get a broader idea of who we are.

Then the only question we will have is, what can make it better?
We wont be able to find the answer looking to someone else.

So in essence, observation allows for a countless number of worlds, that exist on a personal level. The answer is in our emotions, what makes us happy.
I know people who will argue that emotions alone don't dictate what they will do in life. But really, all you're doing is trying to rationalize what will make you happy.
We simply need to step out and examine who we are by taking notice of our emotions.