I'm going to be heading down to Aruba for a construction project that will last somewhere around a year. I'm going to be laying tile for a pretty good amount of money. They're going to fly me there for 30 days, then back for a week, rinse, repeat. My hotel room is payed for by my boss, and I'll get a nice little per diem. I get weekends off, some weeks I might catch a puddle jumper to Venezuela and look for my new wife! :drinktoth

THAT SOUNDS AWSOME!!!! HAVE A GOOD TIME.

have fun, don't forget to write!

128 out of 129 HS students say Aruba is fan-freaking-tasic!

Haha, I'm going to solve that case while I'm down there. Nothing like a little bit of hero work to round out a trip abroad!

Have fun Nappy and don't forget to bring me something back ;)

Haha, I'm going to solve that case while I'm down there. Nothing like a little bit of hero work to round out a trip abroad!
pay attention if you get stuck digging...and keep an eye on your drink:thumbs:

Lucky shit.

Well I'm glad it is working out for you. Hope you make us proud and stay true to who Nappy is. LOL
Hopefully you will pop on and send us love your style. (picking and bitching at us all) hehe
Kidding aside, Have some fun and enjoy. Keep your aim on and AFN and torment us with all your fun.
Bye and be safe.

Wow, glad it came through for you.

So are you still gonna post from there or what?

Work hard play hard,,,find u a woman ,,,get married have kids,,,buy a dog,,,moan about lack of sex from the Mrs ,,,find yourself a hot sexy mistress who steals all your money and wants more than u can ever give,,,but most of all take care Nappy and have fun !!!! :rolleyes:

BTW,,,i know ive seen u before,,,,,,but,,,,,if thats u in your piccy u have grown into a very sexy looking hot blooded male ! ;)

Work hard play hard,,,find u a woman ,,,get married have kids,,,buy a dog,,,moan about lack of sex from the Mrs ,,,find yourself a hot sexy mistress who steals all your money and wants more than u can ever give,,,but most of all take care Nappy and have fun !!!! :rolleyes:
I'm gonna find me a wide eyed doe from Venezuela, marry her, take her to Aruba while I'm working, then back to the States, get her her citizenship, then cut her loose and get a divorce. I'll give her family several hundred bucks for a dowry and send a hundred or so every month, and get all the freaky sex I can handle. No kids, I'm gonna take her to a doc and put a diaphragm in when I get her tested for STDs. I'll teach her some English, get her into school, and let her stay as long as she wants, even after we get a divorce, til she finds the dude she wants to start a family with. Lots of guys that do this make her pay him for the plane ticket and the place to stay, I don't have a problem taking care of all that. They're going to pay me good in Aruba.

Of course, this all depends on whether I find one that has the porn star look I'm going for. It might take several trips. I'm gonna make sure she knows it's an open thing before we tie the knot, so she doesn't freak out on me when I bring other girls home to have threesomes. The marriage thing's mostly a formality anyway.

BTW,,,i know ive seen u before,,,,,,but,,,,,if thats u in your piccy u have grown into a very sexy looking hot blooded male ! ;)
Yup, that's me! Remind me to take a trip out there to Europe to see if you're really a true redhead!

So are you still gonna post from there or what?
Sporadically. I might bring a laptop with me or buy one, it all depends.

How lucky are you???!! Don't forget us

I'm going to be heading down to Aruba for a construction project that will last somewhere around a year. I'm going to be laying tile for a pretty good amount of money. They're going to fly me there for 30 days, then back for a week, rinse, repeat. My hotel room is payed for by my boss, and I'll get a nice little per diem. I get weekends off, some weeks I might catch a puddle jumper to Venezuela and look for my new wife! :drinktoth


Holy shit. And my dad said a doctor was the way to go...

Damn..... how'd you land a job like that? That's awesome.

I'm gonna find me a wide eyed doe from Venezuela, marry her, take her to Aruba while I'm working, then back to the States, get her her citizenship, then cut her loose and get a divorce. I'll give her family several hundred bucks for a dowry and send a hundred or so every month, and get all the freaky sex I can handle. No kids, I'm gonna take her to a doc and put a diaphragm in when I get her tested for STDs. I'll teach her some English, get her into school, and let her stay as long as she wants, even after we get a divorce, til she finds the dude she wants to start a family with. Lots of guys that do this make her pay him for the plane ticket and the place to stay, I don't have a problem taking care of all that. They're going to pay me good in Aruba.

Of course, this all depends on whether I find one that has the porn star look I'm going for. It might take several trips. I'm gonna make sure she knows it's an open thing before we tie the knot, so she doesn't freak out on me when I bring other girls home to have threesomes. The marriage thing's mostly a formality anyway.What a guy,call it, exporting goodwil.

I'm gonna find me a wide eyed doe from Venezuela, marry her, take her to Aruba while I'm working, then back to the States, get her her citizenship, then cut her loose and get a divorce. I'll give her family several hundred bucks for a dowry and send a hundred or so every month, and get all the freaky sex I can handle. No kids, I'm gonna take her to a doc and put a diaphragm in when I get her tested for STDs. I'll teach her some English, get her into school, and let her stay as long as she wants, even after we get a divorce, til she finds the dude she wants to start a family with. Lots of guys that do this make her pay him for the plane ticket and the place to stay, I don't have a problem taking care of all that. They're going to pay me good in Aruba.

Of course, this all depends on whether I find one that has the porn star look I'm going for. It might take several trips. I'm gonna make sure she knows it's an open thing before we tie the knot, so she doesn't freak out on me when I bring other girls home to have threesomes. The marriage thing's mostly a formality anyway.

Your gonna go to all that trouble just for some freaky sex ??

Me thinks u wanna visit your local library and chat up the quite girl in the corner....:rolleyes:

Not sure if there are even libraries in Aruba. It'll be awhile before I have enough money to do all that, and if I find a girlfriend before then, I won't bother. Getting to the airport now, I'll be in touch.

So Nap,American women not good enough for ya,is that it.

Pfft, spent all day flying today, immigrations in Aruba denied me entry. I'm going to give it another go on Monday, and my dad will be flying too. So you guys can enjoy my posts just a little bit longer!

Pfft, spent all day flying today, immigrations in Aruba denied me entry. I'm going to give it another go on Monday, and my dad will be flying too. So you guys can enjoy my posts just a little bit longer!
Why is that?

Pfft, spent all day flying today, immigrations in Aruba denied me entry. I'm going to give it another go on Monday, and my dad will be flying too. So you guys can enjoy my posts just a little bit longer!
:eek: did they say why? you better find out so you don't waste another day on a plane.

So Nap,American women not good enough for ya,is that it.
That's exactly it. At this point, I'd rather do all that work than bother with these bitches. Hell, once I get her her citizenship, I won't kick her out or anything. We'll get a divorce, but she'd be welcome to stick around and mooch for awhile until she wants to settle down and find a husband. Hell, she could well fall in love with me and want to follow me wherever I go. As long as she follows the rules and knows that I lay down the law, I wouldn't begrudge the companionship.

I didn't know where I'd be staying, so I left the address field blank on the form. They got to questioning me, and decided I didn't have enough money to do a 28 day vacation in Aruba. They wanted to see two grand for two weeks. I was a few dollars short of $350. They turned me around and put be right back on the plane I came in on.

As long as she follows the rules and knows that I lay down the law
You're doing it wrong.

I didn't know where I'd be staying, so I left the address field blank on the form. They got to questioning me, and decided I didn't have enough money to do a 28 day vacation in Aruba. They wanted to see two grand for two weeks. I was a few dollars short of $350. They turned me around and put be right back on the plane I came in on.
that would explain it:rolleyes:

You're doing it wrong.
Well, I'm not going to settle down and have kids with her, so if she wants to stick around, she's going to have to do it on my terms.

But I'm having a tough time believing in all that feminist equality schtick. I don't see many such relationships in which the man isn't completely emasculated. I don't think that, deep down, women don't want to be equal to men. They want to be treated well, and treated like a lady. Not put up on a pedestal, not wearing the pants, and not married to a wussy.

Part of the reason I want to do this is for the pure challenge of it. Another reason is to completely change a person's life. Really, if it were all about the sex, I'd just go see hookers until I got tired of it. But to do that kind of service for someone, taking them out of a shithole and bringing them into the land of milk and honey and shit, I'd really like to do something like that.

that would explain it:rolleyes:
Yeah, it's a rookie mistake. But we all have to start somewhere.

They want to be treated well, and treated like a lady. Not put up on a pedestal, not wearing the pants, and not married to a wussy.
You summed it up perfectly, for me anyways.

When I say, "treated like a lady," I think guys and girls have different ideas as to what that means. Guys tend to equate that phrase with putting a woman up on a pedestal. I found out that there's an entire picture in the heads of women when they think of that.

The picture goes a little something like this. A guy has dinner with a woman, he opens the door for her, pulls out the chair, guides her gently into her seat by the arm. They make idle chit-chat, but the dinner isn't about the talk, it isn't about the "connection." The man frequently looks her over long and searchingly. He makes clever sexual innuendos. He makes his intentions on what he is going to do to her later on very clear, but he never says it outright. He drinks in her carefully picked out attire, selected for the sole purpose of pleasing his eye. He makes her laugh, often by teasing her and playfully making fun of her. When it's time to go, he simply stands up, takes her by the arm, guides her out the door and into his car. They don't say much on the way to his place, allowing the tension and anticipation to build. When they reach his place, he looks at her with a question in his eye, a question he already knows the answer to. He might voice it in a disarming way, like, "Would you like to come up for tea?" She is powerless to resist, and follows his lead into his place, where he leaves his gentlemanly act at the door, strips her down, and bones the living shit out of her.

I'm fairly certain every woman alive has a fantasy that goes much like that.

When I say, "treated like a lady," I think guys and girls have different ideas as to what that means. Guys tend to equate that phrase with putting a woman up on a pedestal. I found out that there's an entire picture in the heads of women when they think of that.

The picture goes a little something like this. A guy has dinner with a woman, he opens the door for her, pulls out the chair, guides her gently into her seat by the arm. They make idle chit-chat, but the dinner isn't about the talk, it isn't about the "connection." The man frequently looks her over long and searchingly. He makes clever sexual innuendos. He makes his intentions on what he is going to do to her later on very clear, but he never says it outright. He drinks in her carefully picked out attire, selected for the sole purpose of pleasing his eye. He makes her laugh, often by teasing her and playfully making fun of her. When it's time to go, he simply stands up, takes her by the arm, guides her out the door and into his car. They don't say much on the way to his place, allowing the tension and anticipation to build. When they reach his place, he looks at her with a question in his eye, a question he already knows the answer to. He might voice it in a disarming way, like, "Would you like to come up for tea?" She is powerless to resist, and follows his lead into his place, where he leaves his gentlemanly act at the door, strips her down, and bones the living shit out of her.

I'm fairly certain every woman alive has a fantasy that goes much like that.

No comment :lolhit:

Oh brother. I know you hate me and most of the women in the SMW group, but I've just got to say you are one screwed up individual. You're talking about "rescuing" a woman, solely so you can "bone" her. Call it whatever you want, but you're techniques and attitude will most definitely keep you in the company of the type of women that you refer to so crudely and dis-respectfully. You don't want a quality relationship, no matter how much you whine about it all over the place. You want a doormat.

~steps off soapbox~

When I say, "treated like a lady," I think guys and girls have different ideas as to what that means. Guys tend to equate that phrase with putting a woman up on a pedestal. I found out that there's an entire picture in the heads of women when they think of that.

The picture goes a little something like this. A guy has dinner with a woman, he opens the door for her, pulls out the chair, guides her gently into her seat by the arm. They make idle chit-chat, but the dinner isn't about the talk, it isn't about the "connection." The man frequently looks her over long and searchingly. He makes clever sexual innuendos. He makes his intentions on what he is going to do to her later on very clear, but he never says it outright. He drinks in her carefully picked out attire, selected for the sole purpose of pleasing his eye. He makes her laugh, often by teasing her and playfully making fun of her. When it's time to go, he simply stands up, takes her by the arm, guides her out the door and into his car. They don't say much on the way to his place, allowing the tension and anticipation to build. When they reach his place, he looks at her with a question in his eye, a question he already knows the answer to. He might voice it in a disarming way, like, "Would you like to come up for tea?" She is powerless to resist, and follows his lead into his place, where he leaves his gentlemanly act at the door, strips her down, and bones the living shit out of her.

I'm fairly certain every woman alive has a fantasy that goes much like that.

Yes most of use would admit to that...if he is some one we truly care about..Otherwise all the sexual innuendos wouldn't mean shit.
A girl just wants to know the man she is with wants her as much as she wants him. A womens eyes and body language can tell you so much.
A look from across the room just in their direction. A gentle brushing by them as you move past them, a glance. All this is subtle little ways we let you guys know we are interested and yeah some times that we just want to fuck you and have OUT ways with you. Lil

Yes most of us would admit to that...if he is some one we truly care about..Otherwise all the sexual innuendos wouldn't mean shit.
A girl just wants to know the man she is with wants her as much as she wants him. A womens eyes and body language can tell you so much.
A look from across the room just in their direction. A gentle brushing by them as you move past them, a glance. All this is subtle little ways we let you guys know we are interested and yeah some times that we just want to fuck you and have OUR ways with you. Lil


Thank you Shorty!!!

Not sure if there are even libraries in Aruba. It'll be awhile before I have enough money to do all that, and if I find a girlfriend before then, I won't bother. Getting to the airport now, I'll be in touch.


What i meant was,,,u dont have to get on a plane to find freaky sex,,,u could just as easily find it with the quite girl who sits in the library

When I say, "treated like a lady," I think guys and girls have different ideas as to what that means. Guys tend to equate that phrase with putting a woman up on a pedestal. I found out that there's an entire picture in the heads of women when they think of that.

The picture goes a little something like this. A guy has dinner with a woman, he opens the door for her, pulls out the chair, guides her gently into her seat by the arm. They make idle chit-chat, but the dinner isn't about the talk, it isn't about the "connection." The man frequently looks her over long and searchingly. He makes clever sexual innuendos. He makes his intentions on what he is going to do to her later on very clear, but he never says it outright. He drinks in her carefully picked out attire, selected for the sole purpose of pleasing his eye. He makes her laugh, often by teasing her and playfully making fun of her. When it's time to go, he simply stands up, takes her by the arm, guides her out the door and into his car. They don't say much on the way to his place, allowing the tension and anticipation to build. When they reach his place, he looks at her with a question in his eye, a question he already knows the answer to. He might voice it in a disarming way, like, "Would you like to come up for tea?" She is powerless to resist, and follows his lead into his place, where he leaves his gentlemanly act at the door, strips her down, and bones the living shit out of her.

I'm fairly certain every woman alive has a fantasy that goes much like that.


I dont drink tea !! :thumbs:

Oh brother. I know you hate me and most of the women in the SMW group, but I've just got to say you are one screwed up individual. You're talking about "rescuing" a woman, solely so you can "bone" her. Call it whatever you want, but you're techniques and attitude will most definitely keep you in the company of the type of women that you refer to so crudely and dis-respectfully. You don't want a quality relationship, no matter how much you whine about it all over the place. You want a doormat.

~steps off soapbox~
What do you call a quality relationship? One where the guy has to ask you to do anything, from spending money to hanging out with his friends? I bet the first thing you do to a guy once you start getting serious is try to change him, or in other words, emasculate him. Changing a man == Quality relationship. Bitches like you will never find a quality man because the first thing in your warped priorities will be to get rid of all the attributes that attracted him to you in the first place, and turn him into good husband material, where your every need is catered to, and you're using him as a doormat.

I have my reasons for wanting the type of relationship I laid our earlier, but it would be a total waste of breath explaining them to you. That you cannot fathom how a relationship could be an excellent one where the man is a man, the head of the house, makes me believe you have a ridiculously asinine view of how men and women relate to each other.

What i meant was,,,u dont have to get on a plane to find freaky sex,,,u could just as easily find it with the quite girl who sits in the library
And my point was that I'll be in Aruba the next few months regardless. I have the opportunity to do it, and I'm not one to turn down a proper adventure, so I'm going to hop on it.

But, like I said, it's not just about the freaky sex. It's kind of about living up to my own expectations of myself. Men are expected to not only provide for themselves, but to be able to provide for a family as well. But I have zero desire to settle down and have kids as of yet. Doing this will give me the confidence that I could do it when I wanted to, and let me live my single life without abandon. Sort of like how some people get pets when they're single, so they can feel like they have a family without all the drama of living with people. Helping a girl from a foreign nation adjust to American life and teaching her how to live the kind of life she would really enjoy, whether it's with a family, a career, purely for fun and pleasure, or some kind of combination of all of these, that really appeals to me, much more than a dog would. The sex is just a very enjoyable add-on.

I dont drink tea !! :thumbs:
You're from England and don't drink tea? Forget it, I don't have sex with total weirdos... *opens the car door and gets out*

Just for a split second, then I'd chuckle, and open your door and help you out.

What do you call a quality relationship? One where the guy has to ask you to do anything, from spending money to hanging out with his friends? I bet the first thing you do to a guy once you start getting serious is try to change him, or in other words, emasculate him. Changing a man == Quality relationship. Bitches like you will never find a quality man because the first thing in your warped priorities will be to get rid of all the attributes that attracted him to you in the first place, and turn him into good husband material, where your every need is catered to, and you're using him as a doormat.

I have my reasons for wanting the type of relationship I laid our earlier, but it would be a total waste of breath explaining them to you. That you cannot fathom how a relationship could be an excellent one where the man is a man, the head of the house, makes me believe you have a ridiculously asinine view of how men and women relate to each other.

Actually, Nappy - the opposite is true. I don't want a pansy man who can't be a man, so I don't want him to change. If he is what he portrays himself to be in the beginning, and he is what I want, why would I want to change him? That makes no sense. You talk about women like they are pieces of meat for you to run rough-shod over, or have as a "pet". LOL You're actually pretty entertaining, as delusional as you are.

My relationship is with a real man, who truly knows how to treat a woman with respect, and vise versa. Some of you younger guys could take some pointers from these older 'real' men.

You talk about women like they are pieces of meat for you to run rough-shod over,
What the fuck is this? Why don't you stop reading what you want to read, and read what I'm actually writing. But I know you just can't get enough of attacking me, so whatever. Go back to your man and quit wasting my time.

Yes most of use would admit to that...if he is some one we truly care about..Otherwise all the sexual innuendos wouldn't mean shit.
A girl just wants to know the man she is with wants her as much as she wants him. A womens eyes and body language can tell you so much.
A look from across the room just in their direction. A gentle brushing by them as you move past them, a glance. All this is subtle little ways we let you guys know we are interested and yeah some times that we just want to fuck you and have OUT ways with you. Lil
Once I started looking for those little signals, I started seeing them all over the place. It's like a whole new world of communications opened up for me. Most guys tend to be stuck in their own little worlds more often than not, myself included. But I know what you mean about the innuendos. Some guys just use them willy-nilly. They don't use other techniques as well, like a relaxed, confident posture, active, almost aggressive eye contact, teasing. It all adds up. The more a guy can get them into congruence, the more into him she'll be. And the more likely she will be to just follow you out, and into your apartment, without saying a word. So long as the guy doesn't get awkward. "Ummm, uhh, do you want to come inside?" fidgeting the whole time.

What the fuck is this? Why don't you stop reading what you want to read, and read what I'm actually writing. But I know you just can't get enough of attacking me, so whatever. Go back to your man and quit wasting my time.

Eh, nevermind...I wasn't trying to attack you. Believe it or not, I was trying to help a young man see some things that MIGHT be causing some of the discontent you speak of so often. Sorry I tried.

Once I started looking for those little signals, I started seeing them all over the place. It's like a whole new world of communications opened up for me. Most guys tend to be stuck in their own little worlds more often than not, myself included. But I know what you mean about the innuendos. Some guys just use them willy-nilly. They don't use other techniques as well, like a relaxed, confident posture, active, almost aggressive eye contact, teasing. It all adds up. The more a guy can get them into congruence, the more into him she'll be. And the more likely she will be to just follow you out, and into your apartment, without saying a word. So long as the guy doesn't get awkward. "Ummm, uhh, do you want to come inside?" fidgeting the whole time.
Well your getting there....hehe
How I mean it is there has to be something there, something that intrigues you to want to learn and know more about the person. For me a guy can be awkward and shy but confident in that he is who he is. A mans confidence can also sometime be taken as way to cocky. There needs to be a happy medium.
Technique hmmmm well that comes with time also and most women love to learn and teach too, but also love to be shown. I think what is most important is a man is comfortable in his own skin....that holds true for a women too. If he or she isn't then there will be awkward fickle moments that can be misconstrued as a tease or bastard. These feelings happen when you least expect it and when two people are just comfortable with each other....if it is right you will feel that way..she will melt and you will feel that confidence.

And OMG sexy and making love can be so damn hot and passionate. ...lol

What do you call a quality relationship? One where the guy has to ask you to do anything, from spending money to hanging out with his friends? I bet the first thing you do to a guy once you start getting serious is try to change him, or in other words, emasculate him. Changing a man == Quality relationship. Bitches like you will never find a quality man because the first thing in your warped priorities will be to get rid of all the attributes that attracted him to you in the first place, and turn him into good husband material, where your every need is catered to, and you're using him as a doormat.

I have my reasons for wanting the type of relationship I laid our earlier, but it would be a total waste of breath explaining them to you. That you cannot fathom how a relationship could be an excellent one where the man is a man, the head of the house, makes me believe you have a ridiculously asinine view of how men and women relate to each other.


Um the whole asking thing about spending money and doing things is what some people might call respect. And it's not really asking it's discuss where money goes and how time should be spent.

YOu know 50/50. And the whole head of the house thing only works when the guy is a MAN and not some boy who thinks he's the boss.

Oh brother. I know you hate me and most of the women in the SMW group, but I've just got to say you are one screwed up individual. You're talking about "rescuing" a woman, solely so you can "bone" her. Call it whatever you want, but you're techniques and attitude will most definitely keep you in the company of the type of women that you refer to so crudely and dis-respectfully. You don't want a quality relationship, no matter how much you whine about it all over the place. You want a doormat.

You talk about women like they are pieces of meat for you to run rough-shod over, or have as a "pet". LOL You're actually pretty entertaining, as delusional as you are.
Go back and read that shit again, and tell me again you were just trying to 'help' me.

And the whole head of the house thing only works when the guy is a MAN and not some boy who thinks he's the boss.
Very true. But come on now, do you think boys just randomly turn into men, all of a sudden one day, they wake up, and now they're men? Of course not. They have to work on it. The work they do is often mistaken for boyish behavior. But in reality, there's a whole world that goes on amongst men that women don't really have privy to. A boy has to go through an awful lot before he can consider himself a man, and the guys around him will consider him one as well. I don't consider myself a fully-formed man. But I'm working on it. Doing this thing is me working on it. Hopefully when it's all said and done, I'll have gotten much farther in my goal than if I just farted around here trying to seduce women.

Very true. But come on now, do you think boys just randomly turn into men, all of a sudden one day, they wake up, and now they're men? Of course not. They have to work on it. The work they do is often mistaken for boyish behavior. But in reality, there's a whole world that goes on amongst men that women don't really have privy to. A boy has to go through an awful lot before he can consider himself a man, and the guys around him will consider him one as well. I don't consider myself a fully-formed man. But I'm working on it. Doing this thing is me working on it. Hopefully when it's all said and done, I'll have gotten much farther in my goal than if I just farted around here trying to seduce women.


I think behind every good man is a good woman....his mother.

For me a guy can be awkward and shy but confident in that he is who he is.
For you that might be good, but awkward and shy do not go hand in hand with masculinity. You can't be confident in being awkward and shy. The guy who says this is just deluding himself. Awkwardness and shyness are negative traits to be eliminated, not part of a person's character. The mistake is in thinking that they are just a part of you. A true character trait has both a positive and a negative side to it. Like cockiness. It's attractive and fun, but can often get in the way. There is no positive side to awkwardness, or shyness. They just hold people back.

Go back and read that shit again, and tell me again you were just trying to 'help' me.

I said I was sorry I tried. I'm not looking to go any rounds with you. I see some things that could help, when you put this stuff out there for the world to see. I'm honestly not evil or wish you any ill will. Sorry if I came across otherwise.

I wish you well in Aruba.

I think behind every good man is a good woman....his mother.
You can't learn this shit from your mom. And not every guy has a great mother.

I said I was sorry I tried. I'm not looking to go any rounds with you. I see some things that could help, when you put this stuff out there for the world to see. I'm honestly not evil or wish you any ill will. Sorry if I came across otherwise.

I wish you well in Aruba.
Fair enough. Thanks for the well wishes. I'm gonna have a blast! :drinktoth

You can't learn this shit from your mom. And not every guy has a great mother.


Yes not every great man has a great mother.

maybe I was too general in my statement. Oh well gave you something to rip apart.

There's a lot you can learn from women about relating to women, but asking a woman how to be a man is absurd.

Fair enough. Thanks for the well wishes. I'm gonna have a blast! :drinktoth

I would think so. I'm jealous! It sounds like a great opportunity, in a lot of ways........:drinktoth

Very true. But come on now, do you think boys just randomly turn into men, all of a sudden one day, they wake up, and now they're men? Of course not. They have to work on it. The work they do is often mistaken for boyish behavior. But in reality, there's a whole world that goes on amongst men that women don't really have privy to. A boy has to go through an awful lot before he can consider himself a man, and the guys around him will consider him one as well. I don't consider myself a fully-formed man. But I'm working on it. Doing this thing is me working on it. Hopefully when it's all said and done, I'll have gotten much farther in my goal than if I just farted around here trying to seduce women.


Well said. We all make mistakes and we all have to learn and grow. Some of these lessons hurt more then others. Most importantly be yourself and you grow faster. Never try and be what others or society wants you to be. When you do that, that is when problems start. We can only live up to what we know is to be true for us.
For me kissing is very sensual, but we aren't all born being perfect kissers either. It takes experimenting and practicing and even failing a bit, But when you find the right person to kiss with omg it is hot and sensual and can lead to hours of fun..
You don't always have to have things lead to sexy. :)

There's a lot you can learn from women about relating to women, but asking a woman how to be a man is absurd.


Women can teach respect, honor and self discipline. All great characterisitics of a great man.

She can teach love, patience and compassion. All great characteristics of a great man.

:flowers:

Oh and if that great mom just happened to pick a great man then she probably has more to say about it then you think.

Fathers are good role models too and can shape a good man.

It doesn't all have to come from experiences outside the home. It can come from what you are taught early on.

For you that might be good, but awkward and shy do not go hand in hand with masculinity. You can't be confident in being awkward and shy. The guy who says this is just deluding himself. Awkwardness and shyness are negative traits to be eliminated, not part of a person's character. The mistake is in thinking that they are just a part of you. A true character trait has both a positive and a negative side to it. Like cockiness. It's attractive and fun, but can often get in the way. There is no positive side to awkwardness, or shyness. They just hold people back.

What I mean by this is not everyone jumps into know what to do at all time.
There are moment when it will be awkward and shy..
Like the first time you make love to some one you care about. DO you leave the lights on or off..Do you get undress in front of them or not. Do you hug and kiss and just hold each other and have it be slow and tender or is it just hot monkey sex.
Just like going to first dates...The sweaty palms..does your breath smell and taste fresh. What to wear and how to look. The more you find yourself thinking these things the more you realize that maybe being yourself is not that bad.
This is how I mean about shy and awkward.

OK not all of us have good role models...My parents both sucked at that. I never wanted to be like them in any way.....but what I did learn was that I had to be strong for myself and that I did not want to be like them so I made life choices to fit that...I grew and learned what I did and didn't want.

What I mean by this is not everyone jumps into know what to do at all time.
There are moment when it will be awkward and shy..
Like the first time you make love to some one you care about. DO you leave the lights on or off..Do you get undress in front of them or not. Do you hug and kiss and just hold each other and have it be slow and tender or is it just hot monkey sex.
Just like going to first dates...The sweaty palms..does your breath smell and taste fresh. What to wear and how to look. The more you find yourself thinking these things the more you realize that maybe being yourself is not that bad.
This is how I mean about shy and awkward.

OK not all of us have good role models...My parents both sucked at that. I never wanted to be like them in any way.....but what I did learn was that I had to be strong for myself and that I did not want to be like them so I made life choices to fit that...I grew and learned what I did and didn't want.


You're right. My father had a horrible life at home and is an awesome man now. But in a way his childhood shaped what kind of man he wanted to be. That's all I'm saying. I didn't mean it to be more complicating then it came out. Sorry for that.

Women can teach respect, honor and self discipline. All great characterisitics of a great man.

She can teach love, patience and compassion. All great characteristics of a great man.

:flowers:
I have a wonderful mom, who taught me all of those things, with the sole exception of self-discipline, where I was simply unteachable. None of those things made me into a man. Fathers can do it, but again, not everyone has a great dad. Me and my step-dad never clicked and had that father-son thing. I think it's actually pretty rare that a person's parents teach them how to be an adult when they're younger. A guy has to figure it out on his own. I don't think it's always been this way. I think parental relations have utterly nosedived over the last twenty or thirty years.

You're right. My father had a horrible life at home and is an awesome man now. But in a way his childhood shaped what kind of man he wanted to be. That's all I'm saying. I didn't mean it to be more complicating then it came out. Sorry for that.

No offense was taken..I was speaking for myself and my experiences.
I do agree with what you said right here...That is how it was for me.
I was also lucky to have a grand father that taught me to believe in myself and that I should never settle for anything less then perfect for me...I have failed at that a few times but you live and learn and grow.
:flowers:

Yo Arubaman what do the Dutch say about u dropping in for awhile.

What I mean by this is not everyone jumps into know what to do at all time.
Gotcha. You were talking about them as character traits, that's the context I was referring to.

There are moment when it will be awkward and shy..
Like the first time you make love to some one you care about. DO you leave the lights on or off..Do you get undress in front of them or not. Do you hug and kiss and just hold each other and have it be slow and tender or is it just hot monkey sex.
Just like going to first dates...The sweaty palms..does your breath smell and taste fresh. What to wear and how to look. The more you find yourself thinking these things the more you realize that maybe being yourself is not that bad.
This is how I mean about shy and awkward.
Dudes don't typically think about all that. They jump into sex with some idea of what goes on that they get from porn, and go overboard with trying to live up to that porn star image. They think about that stuff later, after it's done. I guess the rare guy whose never seen a porno might think about sex that way, I doubt it though.

Dudes don't typically think about all that. They jump into sex with some idea of what goes on that they get from porn, and go overboard with trying to live up to that porn star image. They think about that stuff later, after it's done. I guess the rare guy whose never seen a porno might think about sex that way, I doubt it though.

See even us girls have stuff to learn.
I can only speak on a girls perspective and I think more men need to read our perspective. I also think it is try that women need to hear and see a mans perspective also. Well does it make me a prude that I have never watched a porno..it might be rare but then again maybe it is more a male thing. I don't think it is the best place to learn what women like. The ones in the videos are paid to do what they do. That is not real life unless you buy a hooker.

This whole dating and finding a mate can be really lame....Some time we screw it up and marry or date the wrong men or women for the wrong reasons....but when it is right..It is so damn good.

About the awkwardness thing... I'm actually attracted to a guy who seems a little shy and awkward at first. Perhaps this is because I'm generally turned off by guys who approach me first and try to win me before I'm even interested. Flirting and whatnot to get me interested is fine, but I like to be the approacher and make the first move.

That's what I did with my current boyfriend. When I approached him, I barely knew him and I had no clue whether he was interested or not (although it turned out that he was). He seemed pretty shy and awkward at the time, but once we got together he became everything I want in a man. He's very masculine, polite, and old fashioned, and he knows how to treat me like a lady. Most importantly, he doesn't treat me like I wear the pants in the relationship.

I do enjoy being approached, but it rarely leads to anything. I think that most girls who approach guys are even more self-conscious about it than guys are. For example, when you first approach someone, even if it's not in a romantic context, you have to keep the conversation going, because in many cases, the other party isn't really in the mood to socialize. If you're very good at conversation, you can put the person in that mood, but most girls lack that ability. Guys are almost forced to pick it up growing up. Girls never do because, they're usually in the position of having other people start conversations with them.

Women who start conversations with me have to break my initial shell, and that's a very daunting task for someone unaccustomed to doing it. So I've had to learn to put myself in the socializing mood and do it myself, and read the signals women send out to me. It's slow going, and I'm getting rather fed up with doing it in this town. So it's Aruba, and Venezuela.

I don't think it is the best place to learn what women like.
It's not, but really, that's all us guys have to go on. Nobody's teaching guys this stuff.

mskimi[/B]]Oh brother. I know you hate me and most of the women in the SMW group.

She has a group? I want a group.....

Who is in the group? awwwwaaaa i really want a group so people cant hate it collectively.

SPeaking of.... I notice a few people on here are comming up on their AFN birthdays...

They're in the SMW speaks thread, in Chat Central. The biggest waste of bandwidth on AFN, in my opinion, second being the "last to post wins" thread.. I'm sure you'll agree with me after you see what goes on there.

They're in the SMW speaks thread, in Chat Central. The biggest waste of bandwidth on AFN, in my opinion, second being the "last to post wins" thread.. I'm sure you'll agree with me after you see what goes on there.

I have seen that last post wins thing.... I never understood it... I was in the SMW speaks thread yesturday... I was hiding out in there after the whole AFN wanted to kill me for yesturdays threads... During the day on AFN there aint many comrades for a guy like me on the political board.

The SMW Thread is basically the Allforums Chatroom...without being a true chatroom. If you're ever wondering how people can get thousands of post while being here only for a few months, there's your answer.

That's what I did with my current boyfriend. When I approached him, I barely knew him and I had no clue whether he was interested or not (although it turned out that he was). He seemed pretty shy and awkward at the time, but once we got together he became everything I want in a man.
Yes, the people who help others cheat in relationships are most certainly polite and old-fashioned. Why, it's practically a requirement!

Yes, the people who help others cheat in relationships are most certainly polite and old-fashioned. Why, it's practically a requirement!
::sigh:: I don't think I'm even going to touch this, other than to say that it wasn't his fault at all...

The SMW Thread is basically the Allforums Chatroom...without being a true chatroom. If you're ever wondering how people can get thousands of post while being here only for a few months, there's your answer.
Yeah... those cheaters... LOL. Kidding. :D

It's not, but really, that's all us guys have to go on. Nobody's teaching guys this stuff.

OK well that is fair enough...but you know take it with a grain of salt and make it your own on your own. I do not get what all the hype about watching porno is...It is unrealistic expectations put on both the male and the female..And why is it every mans dream to have have a three some??
Never did truly understand this one...If I am not enough for the man I am with then I am not the right girl for him. The I ask can a man who loves his partner truly watch another man fucking and going down on his lady...
I know I wouldn't want to watch my guy doing what he does to me to another women and expect me to be having fun...but each to their own I guess.

::sigh:: I don't think I'm even going to touch this, other than to say that it wasn't his fault at all...
One has to wonder why you keep bringing this topic up in places where you know I will look. While I'm sure it's fun for you, perhaps your inane chatter about how your current boyfriend is better than I am is better suited to private conversations with your friends? Lord knows I'm tired of hearing about it. I have been told by other (nameless) individuals that they agree with me.

OK well that is fair enough...but you know take it with a grain of salt and make it your own on your own. I do not get what all the hype about watching porno is...It is unrealistic expectations put on both the male and the female..And why is it every mans dream to have have a three some??
Never did truly understand this one...If I am not enough for the man I am with then I am not the right girl for him. The I ask can a man who loves his partner truly watch another man fucking and going down on his lady...
I know I wouldn't want to watch my guy doing what he does to me to another women and expect me to be having fun...but each to their own I guess.
Basically I think threesomes are a turn-on for a lot of people, but you shouldn't do it while you're in a relationship. I think that people end up getting jealous and hurt way more than they think they will.

One has to wonder why you keep bringing this topic up in places where you know I will look. While I'm sure it's fun for you, perhaps your inane chatter about how your current boyfriend is better than I am is better suited to private conversations with your friends? Lord knows I'm tired of hearing about it. I have been told by other (nameless) individuals that they agree with me.
I never said he was better than you. The only thing that makes him "better" is that he lives closer to me, which is neither your fault nor his. I don't think that I should have to censor what I say because you don't want to see it. If it's pertinent to the conversation I should be able to say anything I want.

I never said he was better than you. The only thing that makes him "better" is that he lives closer to me, which is neither your fault nor his. I don't think that I should have to censor what I say because you don't want to see it. If it's pertinent to the conversation I should be able to say anything I want.
Of course you are able to say whatever you want. Doesn't make it the best of ideas, though, especially when annoyed friends are involved.

Of course you are able to say whatever you want. Doesn't make it the best of ideas, though, especially when annoyed friends are involved.
Well when you get a girlfriend, you can talk about her all you want too. The difference is that I'll be fine with you sharing that, because I'm happy for my friends when they're happy. :)

Basically I think threesomes are a turn-on for a lot of people, but you shouldn't do it while you're in a relationship. I think that people end up getting jealous and hurt way more than they think they will.

I don't feel they are a turn on at all. I think there is nothing more special then that one man that turns you on so much with just a look or a touch a sound in their voice.
Three somes are for people who are freaks and just need sex more then intimacy. You can never have intimacy with three somes....if people say they can then they are fooling themselves.

OK well each to their own I guess. Just not my cup of tea..
When I want to have sex and feel pleasure...it is with the man I am with.
Then you truly know what exstacy is. ok or at least it is for me.

Wow,,,u nip off to make the tea for the family come back and threads sprout up from nowhere !
Nappy,,thats a pain about your travel arrangements,,maybe u should thumb a lift to Aruba !

Where is Aruba ?

I don't feel they are a turn on at all. I think there is nothing more special then that one man that turns you on so much with just a look or a touch a sound in their voice.
Three somes are for people who are freaks and just need sex more then intimacy. You can never have intimacy with three somes....if people say they can then they are fooling themselves.

OK well each to their own I guess. Just not my cup of tea..
When I want to have sex and feel pleasure...it is with the man I am with.
Then you truly know what exstacy is. ok or at least it is for me.


It's not just you Shorty....I'm right there with you. Nothing more special than one on one intimacy. If the two of you want to get "freaky" or "kinky" then that's still between the two of you. (shut up Musiq) :lolhit:

One has to wonder why you keep bringing this topic up in places where you know I will look. While I'm sure it's fun for you, perhaps your inane chatter about how your current boyfriend is better than I am is better suited to private conversations with your friends? Lord knows I'm tired of hearing about it. I have been told by other (nameless) individuals that they agree with me.
I would chill if I were you, Borg. People move on. New relationships get more brain time than old ones. It pains me to see guys who can't stomach seeing their old girlfriends happy with other guys. All that mental energy could be redirected towards solving your own problems. A guy can spend much of his adult life hung up on that one girl. I'd really hate to see it happen to you.

Basically, you're telling DF she can't say what a great guy her new bf is. That's a ridiculous demand.

Wow,,,u nip off to make the tea for the family come back and threads sprout up from nowhere !
Nappy,,thats a pain about your travel arrangements,,maybe u should thumb a lift to Aruba !

Where is Aruba ?
Well, since all the Cubans like to build rafts to come to the states, I'm thinking I might build me a raft so I can get to Aruba. I'm sure I can get there before the job is over! Aruba is an island 27 km north of Venezuela.

This is for u bud.
http://www.bucuticam.com/cam1.html

It's not just you Shorty....I'm right there with you. Nothing more special than one on one intimacy. If the two of you want to get "freaky" or "kinky" then that's still between the two of you. (shut up Musiq) :lolhit:


Hey! And yes I'm still mad that you didnt' want to rub me.

:lolhit:

Well when you get a girlfriend, you can talk about her all you want too. The difference is that I'll be fine with you sharing that, because I'm happy for my friends when they're happy. :)

im kinda confused.... i have a few questions... but LOL.. i just signed up for this to bitch about politics... now i am learning about girls getting D/P and sharing my sexual history... Damn i wish there was a Breathalyzer hooked to my computer

im kinda confused.... i have a few questions... but LOL.. i just signed up for this to bitch about politics... now i am learning about girls getting D/P and sharing my sexual history... Damn i wish there was a Breathalyzer hooked to my computer
Borg is my ex. We met here a few years ago, struck up a friendship that eventually turned into a long distance relationship. Long story short, I cheated on him and then broke up with him. LDRs are hard to handle and I guess I learned that I can't handle them. But apparently now that we've been broken up for about 5 months, I still have no right to mention my new boyfriend in conversations or use him as an example when it relates to the conversation.

Yeah you probably need that breathalyzer... No posting while drunk! LOL

Borg and DF shared a rather interesting and amusing long-distance relationship that lasted for a few months. Borg would fly out periodically to see her. It ended poorly when DF admitted to cheating on him.

edit: too late.

Borg and DF shared a rather interesting and amusing long-distance relationship that lasted for a few months. Borg would fly out periodically to see her. It ended poorly when DF admitted to cheating on him.

edit: too late.
Seven months. And it didn't end after I cheated. I wanted to take a break at that time, but he refused. We ended up still together for I think a few weeks til I got up the courage to actually break up with him.

I think Borg is still sensitive here guys

You might still think you were together, but I knew better. As soon as that kind of damage is done, it's all but over. Might take you a little bit to realize it, but it's already done.

So i am guessing he is still at least mildly hurt by it all,and for him to see her talk about geting double stuffed is a little bitter for him to swallow. She does mention the boyfriend alot..... I dont know.... i guess i see both sides... Borg should move on from it all... he doesnt seem like the type of guy who would want a girl who likes D/P... and she doesnt seem like the type content with a guy who wants to be monogamous.

LOL... the bit about her meeting him and him being shy at first and all still must of been hard... he however should of kept it in PM instead of dragging it up here. DAMN... now later when i sign off and go about my real life i am going to have this stuck in my head.

If you need something else to obsess over, Liquid, google, "cuckold." That one had me reeling for a week.

You might still think you were together, but I knew better. As soon as that kind of damage is done, it's all but over. Might take you a little bit to realize it, but it's already done.
Not necessarily true, but that's not my point. You made it sound like he was the one who broke up with me, and that we broke up because I cheated. We broke up because I was unhappy in a LDR.

You might still think you were together, but I knew better. As soon as that kind of damage is done, it's all but over. Might take you a little bit to realize it, but it's already done.

yeah there is that one defining moment when it is over... it might not actually play out right away... but the damage is done.... the iceburg has been hit and the ship taking on water

mine was when i mixed 151 rum with milk.... she had seen enough... LOL...

I think Borg is still sensitive here guys
Yes, I think he is too. However, that doesn't change the fact that I have every right to talk about my boyfriend. He tells me about girls he's interested in and how he's making progress with them.