I would like to hear your opinion on some questions I have.

1) If Palestine got everything they wanted do you think there would be peace ? Why?

2) Do you think either Isreal or Palestine is right? Why?

3) What role do you think the United States should play in the peace process? Who else could bring peace to the region?

Answer which ever ones you want.

Thanks

There would be no peace between Palestine and Israel unless one of them conceded. Even then militants on the losing side would be shoe-bombing school buses.

Neither is right in the way they're going about their agenda, but if I had to choose sides, I'd go with Palestine.

The U.S. has no business over there. Let them work out their own damned problems.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
There would be no peace between Palestine and Israel unless one of them conceded. Even then militants on the losing side would be shoe-bombing school buses.

Agreed, although I think the militants on the winning side would continue to work for the complete elimination of the other.

My main issue with Isreal is that they're claiming lands outside of their borders and building homes there. Why should they be able to do that, no matter what the reason?

Would anyone care to educate me on the formation of Isreal? I'm sort of under the impression that the UK and some of the other post-WWII powers carved out a space for the Jews from their middle-east land holdings, booting out the Palenstinians in the process. But I'm not sure that's completely accurate.

Yes. There were already thousand of jewish people there, who started emigrating from Europe since the end og the 19th century. The early zionists (fore once this word can be used with historical signification here !) did use violence and terrorism to fight the british before land was given to them.The british were in charge of Palestine and finally agreed to give part of it to form Israel. In 1947 the UN agreed to split palestine in two : an arab state and a jewish state. In 1948, Israel was unilaterally proclaimed and recognised by many nations.

The palestinian who lived there were officially given the choice to stay and become citizen of Israel, or to leave. In fact many were deported and forced to leave. Some stayed and became citizen (hence the fact that thare is still an important muslim minority in Israel).
The neighbour arab countries (Egypte, Iraq, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon) did not accept the formation of Israel and immediately attacked the young nation.
Israel won the war and conquerred new territories. A UN decison forced it to accept the palestinian refugees back or to give them monetary compensation. It was never fulfilled.

The Jews were persecuted in every country they existed in. The Czars of Russia wanted them out, long before Hitler took up the battle cry.
For me, it's one of 2 mysteries unanswered during my lifetime.

1. What in the hell is it about the Jews that sets so many off?

2. Why is it that I cannot take a (an approved) vacation to Cuba, as many of my relatives did during the pre-Castro days? If Cuba has harmed any Americans, it wasn't many, and we've never been in armed conflict with them. Close, yes, but not for real. However, should I choose, I can go to Viet Nam, a country where some 58,000 Americans died in a protracted armed conflict. We do business with the Viets, - godless commies as they were once known - but not with the Cubans.

I just don't get it.

Originally posted by es347fan
1. What in the hell is it about the Jews that sets so many off?

I've always wondered that myself. I suspect that it has something to do with the accusation that they killed Christ. Of course that's just a convenient excuse to pick on a group of people that are different.

2. Why is it that I cannot take a (an approved) vacation to Cuba, as many of my relatives did during the pre-Castro days? If Cuba has harmed any Americans, it wasn't many, and we've never been in armed conflict with them. Close, yes, but not for real. However, should I choose, I can go to Viet Nam, a country where some 58,000 Americans died in a protracted armed conflict. We do business with the Viets, - godless commies as they were once known - but not with the Cubans.[/B]

Because the Cuban immigrants in Miami are so politically active that whether or not you keep them happy has a major bearing on whether a candidate can win Florida. I suppose the other part of it is that there aren't enough Cubans to buy American goods. China's 1.2 billions consumers are enough to make us overlook their shortcomings.

Originally posted by astrapol2
In 1948, Israel was unilaterally proclaimed and recognised by many nations.


Thank you. Much easier than looking it up (I'm feeling lazy today). Why no one in 1947 could see this coming is beyond me.

Think for a moment how things were in 1947-48. Western Europe was still reeling from a just ended war, Eastern Europe was being shuttered behind the new Iron Curtain, the USSR was acting weird about everything, and the Cold War was just beginning. The godless commies were much more of a planetwide concern than boatloads of Jewish refugees. In the bullpens we had the Koreas warming up for their own little circus. Sending the remaining European Jews to form their own country in sandland was perfect. They'd be out of the way, & with the Arab world in perpetual chaos......

I can answer all three in one statement: none of the Palestinian’s problems concern the U.S. Therefore, we should just mind our own business and let them question their own quagmires.

Originally posted by es347fan
1. What in the hell is it about the Jews that sets so many off?
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[a]The Jews own all the banks [b]They want to run the "New World" [c]They are not human they are lizards, that want to eat humans. :D :D :D :D :D

[a]The Jews own all the banks [b]They want to run the "New World" [c]They are not human they are lizards, that want to eat humans.

Mad Dog
that is one of the most discusting statements I have ever heard and you discust me.

hayryan: discusting & discust are not words. Perhaps the words you are looking for are disgusting & disgust.

mad dog is obviously fishing & you took the bait!

Spelling never was my strong suit. I hope Maddog was just trying to get to me. I should have known that because nobody can be that ignorant.

i think that if palestine does get what they want, there will be at least more peace and less tension then there is now. if i know the way humans are then most of the palestinians, once they get thier state, will want to get on with living thier lives and trying to govern themselves. i don't think anyone except the extremely anti-israel militant groups will want to continue with all the violence. after the palestinians get a state, the extremists will lose thier popular support and their power.
in any case, israel and palestine can't continue as they are now. both sides are stubborn as hell. it cant' keep going on like this, because after awhile they will destroy each other. the whole situation makes me so fustrated, that every time i pick up the newspaper i am inclined to go around kicking things.

Hayryan, don't feel bad I probably spell worser( :D ) then you. If you noticed I but the little smile dude behind my post. There are alot of folks on here that believe in conspiracy stuff so when I can I like to have fun with it. Please don't think I really believe the Jews own all the banks, and want to run the "New World". After all they have there own planet Lizard Land, so why would they want ours,they are here just to collect slaves :D :D :D

dealerofdreams actually does believe what Mad Dog said; luckily he hasn't been by in quite a few months.

wait, even the lizard stuff? seriously?

Originally posted by sputnik
wait, even the lizard stuff? seriously?
Pretty much. Do a search for his posts.

Originally posted by BorgHunter
Pretty much. Do a search for his posts.

wow, i did do a search for his posts, and that does seem to be true. i've never seen such anti-semitic hate speech. the guy practically admitted himself to be the new hitler.
i am truly amazed. in a bad way.

Palestinians would hate the Jews and work toward their demise no matter what concessions they got.

Originally posted by astrapol2
Yes. There were already thousand of jewish people there, who started emigrating from Europe since the end og the 19th century. The early zionists (fore once this word can be used with historical signification here !) did use violence and terrorism to fight the british before land was given to them.The british were in charge of Palestine and finally agreed to give part of it to form Israel. In 1947 the UN agreed to split palestine in two : an arab state and a jewish state. In 1948, Israel was unilaterally proclaimed and recognised by many nations.

The palestinian who lived there were officially given the choice to stay and become citizen of Israel, or to leave. In fact many were deported and forced to leave. Some stayed and became citizen (hence the fact that thare is still an important muslim minority in Israel).
The neighbour arab countries (Egypte, Iraq, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon) did not accept the formation of Israel and immediately attacked the young nation.
Israel won the war and conquerred new territories. A UN decison forced it to accept the palestinian refugees back or to give them monetary compensation. It was never fulfilled.

Most Palestinians voluntarily left to flee the war inflicted upon the Jewish people. Now Isrealis are expected to accomodate brainwashed Palestinians and "open-minded" liberals, like Borghunter, and reward warfare that targets innocent citizenry.