Why is it that atheist seem to single out Christians for what seems to be a lack of reason? I think the answer is because atheist see themselves as being opressed by the dominate Christian culture that resides all over the world currently. It could also come from history, where in people once thought the world was flat or the center of the universe.

People dont often stop and think, if only we had the correct words we could get our point across. Most of the time people are thinking in numbers. If there are enough people thinking the same way then words wont be a factor.
Richard Dawkins is making this point clear with his books, which have become best sellers world wide. He seems to be gathering a following with a one track mind, a following that is willing to take up a single school of thought. That religion is going to be a constant threat.
Regardless of what the religion istelf is about the people behind it are prone to become radical and dangerous.

With this in mind I would like to quote Dawkins.

"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus,
"mad cow" disease, and many others, but I think a case can be made that faith is one of the
world's great evils, comparable to the smallpox but harder to eradicate."

Dawkins, Richard [Zoologist and Professor for the Public Understanding of Science,
Oxford University], "Is Science a Religion?" The Humanist, Vol. 57, No. 1.,
January/February 1997.

Add to this another quote that helps to compound Dawkins thinking.

"It is absolutely safe to say that if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid or insane
(or wicked, but I'd rather not consider that)."

Dawkins, Richard.

It might surprise a few atheist out there that I have studied evolution and I do understand it. Most any student of evolution will tell you that evolution is something to be understood, not "believed" in.
Dawkins hasnt.
Dawkins has also said faith is a disease. Yet he puts his faith into evolution, enough so that he believes it.
If it is believed in then it loses some of its meaning, evolution is a tool of science, it has been used to generate ideas outside of evolution to provide things that have saved lives.
If we slip up and begin to believe in it. Then it could quite possibly become superstition. The only thing that keeps any idea rational is diversity.
We get the idea of the way Dawkins would like to see the world turn by understanding that he would rather see people understand ideas without being superstitious. Which would very plainly take religion out of the world. The assumption of understanding leaves out a message that should be conveyed.
If there are no religions in the world those of us that were religious would simply make Dawkins ideas our own, in essence turning evolution into superstition. Thats why diversity keeps ideas rational.
That in and of itself doesnt seem to be working any more. Presently Dawkins has generated a following that seems to stay on his path blindly. Any idea is subject to become superstition, it doesnt have to be done from outside of the culture that made the idea rational.
The people who "believe" in the idea simply need to generate enough "faith" around it.
The idea will then stop being scientific.

Let me add another quote to help make my point. This one isn't from Dawkins. Rather from Charles Darwins brother, Erasmus Darwin. In a letter he sent his brother Charles regarding Darwins book "The Origin of Species".

"In fact the a priori reasoning is so entirely satisfactory to me that if the facts won't fit in, why so much the worse for the facts is my feeling.



Dawkins seems to be generating evolution fans and not really evolution thinkers. Sure people will learn about evolution, but they wont be questioning it has they should be. If they'er not questioning it then they're simply followers.
By doing what Dawkins has done he seems to be going in the oposit direction he claims he is intending to go.
Sooner or later Dawkins will rid the world of atheist everywhere by simply makeing them followers of evolution.

Is this rational?

Whoa Inviolable :) ! That was way too cool!

So Invoivable, may I play the Devil's Advocate just for fun, even though I actually agree with what you are saying?

Prove to me that God actually exists (which by the way, God already has said hello to me in my life :) ).

And Inviolable what is "your" definition of "Superstition"?

Tuck

"It is absolutely safe to say that if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid or insane
(or wicked, but I'd rather not consider that)."

Dawkins, Richard.

It might surprise a few atheist out there that I have studied evolution and I do understand it. Most any student of evolution will tell you that evolution is something to be understood, not "believed" in.
Dawkins hasnt.
Dawkins has also said faith is a disease. Yet he puts his faith into evolution, enough so that he believes it.
Oh bullshit.

be·lieve
–verb (used with object)
2. to have confidence or faith in the truth of (a positive assertion, story, etc.); give credence to.

Any person who understands something as thoroughly demonstrated as evolution will say they have confidence in the truth thereof. Same with any accepted scientific theory or law. You can understand, say, the flat Earth theory. But you're not going to believe in it, or believe it is true, because there's no evidence for it and lots against it. The author of this unattributed cut and paste (or plagiarism, if you will) article is full of shit, arguing on semantics rather than perhaps trying to determine what Dawkins really means. And yes, he does understand evolution.

Science is about consensus, and consensus causes belief. Not blind faith, but belief. Belief in a theory's veracity, because it has been proven. So, it is impossible to start turning science into a religion, because it actually proves its theories through experimentation, rather than from some ancient tome.

Many years ago I was taught evolution, in grammar school, as a truth.
The teachers were Christian.

Today, I still believe evolution occurred in many species.

I have not been convinced that modern man came from apes. I have not been convinced that there were not distinct and separate types of early man.

I also do not believe the Biblical explanation.

I still await concrete proof, to me, of how modern man arrived on earth.

I absolutely agree with you, Dan. That said, I also don't think it's unreasonable that god could have created an earth where evolution could happen.

Oh bullshit.

be·lieve
–verb (used with object)
2. to have confidence or faith in the truth of (a positive assertion, story, etc.); give credence to.

Any person who understands something as thoroughly demonstrated as evolution will say they have confidence in the truth thereof. Same with any accepted scientific theory or law. You can understand, say, the flat Earth theory. But you're not going to believe in it, or believe it is true, because there's no evidence for it and lots against it. The author of this unattributed cut and paste (or plagiarism, if you will) article is full of shit, arguing on semantics rather than perhaps trying to determine what Dawkins really means. And yes, he does understand evolution.

Science is about consensus, and consensus causes belief. Not blind faith, but belief. Belief in a theory's veracity, because it has been proven. So, it is impossible to start turning science into a religion, because it actually proves its theories through experimentation, rather than from some ancient tome.


Yes, but I'm not talking about science, I'm talking about the people behind it and the kind of people it might attract.

Yes, but I'm not talking about science, I'm talking about the people behind it and the kind of people it might attract.
Blind belief in science is better than blind belief in superstition.

I absolutely agree with you, Dan. That said, I also don't think it's unreasonable that god could have created an earth where evolution could happen.

Allow me to carry this a little further. I don't think that it is unreasonable to wonder if that which we strive to call god was created at the same time the universe was created.
Some type of awareness that happened long before modern man.

Whoa Inviolable :) ! That was way too cool!

So Invoivable, may I play the Devil's Advocate just for fun, even though I actually agree with what you are saying?

Prove to me that God actually exists (which by the way, God already has said hello to me in my life :) ).

And Inviolable what is "your" definition of "Superstition"?

Tuck

Actaully, I cant give you proof, but you can find your own.
Going to preach here.
You have to realise you're a sinner. Then you have to come to the conclusion Jesus is who he says he is. Then you have to ask him for forgiveness of your sins.
I'm not sure that has anything to do with what I said in my OP.

a belief or notion, not based on reason or knowledge, in or of the ominous significance of a particular thing, circumstance, occurrence, proceeding, or the like.

Blind belief in science is better than blind belief in superstition.

Not if the belief is causing any one field of study to become a form of superstition.

You have to realise you're a sinner. Then you have to come to the conclusion Jesus is who he says he is. Then you have to ask him for forgiveness of your sins.

Wow..what a way to live.

Wow..what a way to live.


Yeah, it is pretty sweet.

Can atheist be superstitious?In principle yes, though in practice anyone who choses to wear the label atheist is rarely superstitious.
Why is it that atheist seem to single out Christians for what seems to be a lack of reason? Sorry to put it so bluntly, Inviolable, but that's just your Christian persecution complex talking. Atheists point to all religions, new-agism and postmodernism too.
I think the answer is because atheist see themselves as being opressed by the dominate Christian culture that resides all over the world currently.They don't see themselves as oppressed. Rather, they remind Christians that Christianity is dominant when those same Christians claim to be oppressed/persecuted/attacked etc.

As for your criticisms of Dawkins in particular I have many sympathies. I love Dawkins' biology books but have never read one of his atheism books and never will. For example, assuming you have quoted him accurately, comments like this...

It is absolutely safe to say that if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid or insane

...are themselves ignorant, stupid or insane and far from "absolutely safe".

Atheists point to all religions, new-agism and postmodernism too.
There are the possible exceptions of Global Warming, the iPod, and Free/Open Source Software. Then there's the Church of the SubGenius, Pastafarianism, and perhaps Discordianism.

There are the possible exceptions of Global Warming, the iPod, and Free/Open Source Software. Then there's the Church of the SubGenius, Pastafarianism, and perhaps Discordianism.And, as Inviolable has pointed out, the emotive, tabloid arguments of atheism popularisers such as Dawkins.

...are themselves ignorant, stupid or insane and far from "absolutely safe".
I can't help but think that people who say they "don't believe in evolution," are ignorant. I tend to loudly ridicule people who say such things, even in person. It's amazing I haven't had my ass beat. It seems to be a categorical thing to me.

You have to give Dawkins credit for giving a palatable face to non-belief to Americans. Once you realize that much of the world revolves around our (admittedly shrinking) economic and military hegemony, and just how many Americans are of the mouth breathing religious right variety, the finer points of Dawkins' advocacy fade into insignificance. Kind of like Bud Light. You never drink the shit, but you're glad it's in the fridge, so the unwashed masses will drink that instead of your precious Bitburger.

In principle yes, though in practice anyone who choses to wear the label atheist is rarely superstitious.
Sorry to put it so bluntly, Inviolable, but that's just your Christian persecution complex talking. Atheists point to all religions, new-agism and postmodernism too.
They don't see themselves as oppressed. Rather, they remind Christians that Christianity is dominant when those same Christians claim to be oppressed/persecuted/attacked etc.

I can admit I might have been over reacting a bit, or a lot. More of a bit.
I know atheist dont claim to focus on one religion. They really wouldnt be atheist in essence if they did simply focus on Christianity.
But like you said, Christianity is dominate. I think this more then likely makes quite a few atheist feel closed in by Christianity and with the added influence by Dawkins it seems compounded.

As for your criticisms of Dawkins in particular I have many sympathies. I love Dawkins' biology books but have never read one of his atheism books and never will. For example, assuming you have quoted him accurately, comments like this...

It is absolutely safe to say that if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid or insane

...are themselves ignorant, stupid or insane and far from "absolutely safe".

Thats the thing, has I serf the net I see more and more Dawkins followers, so to speak. I have seen several examples of people taking the book to heart and using it as a format for debate.
It's more like Dawkins has touched on their emotions rather then challenged them to think for themselves.

I can't help but think that people who say they "don't believe in evolution," are ignorant. I tend to loudly ridicule people who say such things, even in person. It's amazing I haven't had my ass beat. It seems to be a categorical thing to me.You know I had a specific example in mind reading this thread. I have very recently moved office. One bloke, who is witty, intelligent and good company, turns out to be a bleeding Pentecostal to my surprise. Another, dislikable and not so bright (mind you he thinks he is, which is part of the problem), has an atheist streak and apparently goes off on evolution rants now and again to the other one.
You have to give Dawkins credit for giving a palatable face to non-belief to Americans. Sure. I often suspect if I was American I'd be a much less cool-headed kind of atheist. I think the ubiquity of religion would drive me mad.

I can admit I might have been over reacting a bit, or a lot. More of a bit.
I know atheist dont claim to focus on one religion. They really wouldnt be atheist in essence if they did simply focus on Christianity.
But like you said, Christianity is dominate. I think this more then likely makes quite a few atheist feel closed in by Christianity and with the added influence by Dawkins it seems compounded.Yes you may be on to something there. In fact I think what you are saying is not entirely incompatible with Napster's comments.

There is certainly a cultural element to all this. Here in Britain religion is kept very much in the closet, off the streets and off the airwaves. So it's much easier for atheists to relax and be philosophical about it all.

Oh bullshit.

be·lieve
–verb (used with object)
2. to have confidence or faith in the truth of (a positive assertion, story, etc.); give credence to.

Any person who understands something as thoroughly demonstrated as evolution will say they have confidence in the truth thereof. Same with any accepted scientific theory or law. You can understand, say, the flat Earth theory. But you're not going to believe in it, or believe it is true, because there's no evidence for it and lots against it. The author of this unattributed cut and paste (or plagiarism, if you will) article is full of shit, arguing on semantics rather than perhaps trying to determine what Dawkins really means. And yes, he does understand evolution.

Science is about consensus, and consensus causes belief. Not blind faith, but belief. Belief in a theory's veracity, because it has been proven. So, it is impossible to start turning science into a religion, because it actually proves its theories through experimentation, rather than from some ancient tome.

BorgHunter Sir, Evolution is not a proven scientific fact. It is in science what is called a "Hypothisis", not a theory. As all educated science folks know, a "Theory" is an actually proven reality.

Adaptation of a species is a proven reality. "Life will find away :) " How life started is still up in the air. Alot of science is saying that our planet is to young for complicated Life to to have sprung accidently from an a amino acid soup :) And here is another thing that is fun, the reason that science can't find the missing link is because the great apes were origionally humans that adapted to an arboreal environment :) we didn't come from the great apes they came from us. You don't take a great ape to a vet, you take that soul to a Doctor :)

Inviolable is is right. If Evolutionist can clain that Christians are superstitous, then Christians can also claim the Evolutionists are running superstition.

Rev. Tuck

BorgHunter Sir, Evolution is not a proven scientific fact. It is in science what is called a "Hypothisis", not a theory.
http://www.aaas.org/news/releases/2006/pdf/0219boardstatement.pdf
As all educated science folks know, a "Theory" is an actually proven reality.
Indeed, that's quite the point.

I don't believe in "superstition"...I believe in the superstation though! Thank you WGN. (If it wasn't was WGN, I wouldn't get to see so many Cubs games!:D)

I also belive in dumb luck and misfortune - both of which has been evidenced to me enough for vivid proof.

Actaully, I cant give you proof, but you can find your own.
Going to preach here.
You have to realise you're a sinner. Then you have to come to the conclusion Jesus is who he says he is. Then you have to ask him for forgiveness of your sins.
I'm not sure that has anything to do with what I said in my OP.

a belief or notion, not based on reason or knowledge, in or of the ominous significance of a particular thing, circumstance, occurrence, proceeding, or the like.

Inviolable, you have just stepped into it :) It is not that you can't preach here, Sparky says that you can, I love Sparky. It is where you are preaching that creates an interesting reality :) I am preaching here also. We are two "Lay" ministers of the Lord (I am legally ordained, 12 years now) preaching in the same pond. And what we are attemping to do here is to bring others to the Lord.

They told Jesus that He should not hang out in a tavern and eat sacrificed food. What did He tell them son :) ? Well here you are Inviolable hanging out in a tavern eating sacrificed food. And because of the gift of God and Sparky, they don't kick you out of it. You and I and others like us (John gives Frogger a hug :) ) get to be here because of Sparky (oh yah and we get to be noisy :) also).

Inviolable go to a Christian messageboard and agree with everything that they say and you will be one of the chosen. Come to All Forums.net, you are not one of the "Chosen", nobody here is :) It is every man or woman for themselves. Now that is real! God is either with you or He isn't. If you think that you are a Christian? Then hang out on All Forums.net and lets find out if you are :) !

You are loved Inviolable :) have another watered wine :) This ain't "Kansas" no more! ("The Wizard of Oz".) You are on All Forums.net.

Iviolable I have taken my ministry to All Forums.net and Sparky don't mind. I should have been banned along time ago :) but Sparky has given me a chance to adapt. I am adapting. You step into a new reality it is about figuring out the rules. Once that is done you are a reg (not a visitor) and you are home free!

Rev. Tuck

Inviolable, you have just stepped into it :) It is not that you can't preach here, Sparky says that you can, I love Sparky. It is where you are preaching that creates an interesting reality :) I am preaching here also. We are two "Lay" ministers ( I am legally ordained, 12 years know) preaching in the same pond. And what we are attemping to do here is to bring others to the Lord.

They told Jesus that He should not hang out in a tavern and eat sacrificed food. What did He tell them son :) ? Well here you are Inviolable hanging out in a tavern eating sacrificed food. And because of the gift of God and Sparky, they don't kick you out of it. You and I and others like us (John gives Frogger a hug :) ) get to be here because of Sparky (oh yah and we get to be noisy :) also).

Inviolable go to a Christian messageboard and agree with everything that they say and you will be one of the chosen. Come to All Forums.net, you are not one of the "Chosen", nobody here is :) It is every man or woman for themselves. Now that is real! God is either with you or He isn't. If you think that you are a Christian? Then hang out on All Forums.net and lets find out if you are :) !

You are loved Inviolable :) have another watered wine :) This ain't "Kansas" no more, "The Wizard of Oz".

Iviolable I have taken my ministry to All Forums.net and Sparky don't mind. I should have been banned along time ago :) but Sparky has given me a chance to adapt. I am adapting. You step into a new reality it is about figuring out the rules. Once that is done you are a reg (not a visitor) and you are home free!

Rev. Tuck

So Sparky has demonstrated kindness, understanding, and hospitality, and has performed the miracle of tolerating you, and furthermore allowing himself the opportunity to continue to tolerate you. Sparky has done these things before your very eyes - and he doesnt even warn you with his wrath if you choose to ignore his generosity. Why not worship him instead?

So Sparky has demonstrated kindness, understanding, and hospitality, and has performed the miracle of tolerating you, and furthermore allowing himself the opportunity to continue to tolerate you. Sparky has done these things before your very eyes - and he doesnt even warn you with his wrath if you choose to ignore his generosity. Why not worship him instead?
He does. He used to do the same thing to me, but apparently changed his mind about it. It's really quite curious.

Yeah, it is pretty sweet.

no its quite sad actually to continue to live believing that we are inherently "bad" (sinners).. especially from a book that has been proven to be a fraud.

All religions come and go. In this time, we are not special, these current religions will also go and they will be "myths" that future generations will read about.

He does. He used to do the same thing to me, but apparently changed his mind about it. It's really quite curious.
According to tucker, I'm only days away from staging an AllForums coup and installing a junta!

Might not be such a bad idea!

no its quite sad actually to continue to live believing that we are inherently "bad" (sinners).. especially from a book that has been proven to be a fraud.

All religions come and go. In this time, we are not special, these current religions will also go and they will be "myths" that future generations will read about.

Hasn't actually been disproven, it's just accepted to be disproven by people who wish to see it disproven.

I guess if you want to see it as sad and fall under the assumption that I am saying we are all inherently "bad" or that the bible is saying we all are, then you may not understand it completely.

You may not understand why there could be a need for the application of redemption. You could understand that people need to be forgiving of each other, but that really isnt the same thing.
From your post, I'd say you dont.
People fear what they dont understand.

Inviolable, you have just stepped into it :) It is not that you can't preach here, Sparky says that you can, I love Sparky. It is where you are preaching that creates an interesting reality :) I am preaching here also. We are two "Lay" ministers of the Lord (I am legally ordained, 12 years now) preaching in the same pond. And what we are attemping to do here is to bring others to the Lord.

They told Jesus that He should not hang out in a tavern and eat sacrificed food. What did He tell them son :) ? Well here you are Inviolable hanging out in a tavern eating sacrificed food. And because of the gift of God and Sparky, they don't kick you out of it. You and I and others like us (John gives Frogger a hug :) ) get to be here because of Sparky (oh yah and we get to be noisy :) also).

Inviolable go to a Christian messageboard and agree with everything that they say and you will be one of the chosen. Come to All Forums.net, you are not one of the "Chosen", nobody here is :) It is every man or woman for themselves. Now that is real! God is either with you or He isn't. If you think that you are a Christian? Then hang out on All Forums.net and lets find out if you are :) !

You are loved Inviolable :) have another watered wine :) This ain't "Kansas" no more! ("The Wizard of Oz".) You are on All Forums.net.

Iviolable I have taken my ministry to All Forums.net and Sparky don't mind. I should have been banned along time ago :) but Sparky has given me a chance to adapt. I am adapting. You step into a new reality it is about figuring out the rules. Once that is done you are a reg (not a visitor) and you are home free!

Rev. Tuck

Are you saying my post falls more on the side of something a nonbeliever would say?

The world actaully seems to be at ends with each other. I don't think it will change any time soon. There is just to much disargreement every where you look.
Within every facet of life. All I'm doing is pointing out the reasons for that here and there.

Is it rational to be neutral every now and then when everyone else clearly isn't? How else would we understand what someone else is going through if we don't?
We cant understand any of our problems if we are always focused on our own understanding of things. If we cant understand a problem then we cant sort it out. There will be no solutions if at least one of us doesn't think for someone else other then themselves.
It's not a form of control or higher enlightnement, it's simply a form of understanding. A moment of clearity that produces answers that could quite possibly produce solutions.

He does. He used to do the same thing to me, but apparently changed his mind about it. It's really quite curious.

Hmm...well atleast he is diversifying his allegiances. :thumbs:

According to tucker, I'm only days away from staging an AllForums coup and installing a junta!

Gosh - I haven't gotten over the last great AllForums coup.:confused:

Gosh - I haven't gotten over the last great AllForums coup.:confused:
What was that?

What was that?


No idea - just sounded good. :hula:

Everybody should invite 10 friends to All Forums.net just for fun.

And lets have a look at, if Sparky can handle it :)

That is somewhere around 1000 rogue friends! And who gives "a shit" :) newbes are fun :) !

Rogue Rev,. Tuck :)

PS :) ,God but I hope Nappy has a hard on :)

Oh and this :)

John throws alot of window glass on the cement floor :)

and then pulls down Borgunter's pants :) (Remember the old days borghunter :) )

Holywood says that (watch Walt Disney), "If you ridicule authority, break alot of glass, and pull somebodies pants down, you have a "Hit", that will make you money. And that wisdom is based on their experience. Why mankind goes for that stuff I have no idea, absolutely none!

Sal, I don't think anybody can pull your pants down :) and survive the experience. So anyway, I am being very careful that your name does not come up in this post! Ok?

I would go after Nappy, but I think he wears a thong. Yuk :)

Signed by,
Somebody named "Tuck", but I have no idea who he is :)

Oh and this :)

John throws alot of window glass on the cement floor :)

and then pulls down Borgunter's pants :) (Remember the old days borghunter :) )

Holywood says that (watch Walt Disney), "If you ridicule authority, break alot of glass, and pull somebodies pants down, you have a "Hit", that will make you money. And that wisdom is based on their experience. Why mankind goes for that stuff I have no idea, absolutely none!

Sal, I don't think anybody can pull your pants down :) and survive the experience. So anyway, I am being very careful that your name does not come up in this post! Ok?

I would go after Nappy, but I think he wears a thong. Yuk :)

Signed by,
Somebody named "Tuck", but I have no idea who he is :)
Whatever it is you're on, tell me what it is and the name and phone number of the dealer from whom you acquired it.

My guess is still PCP.

Oh and this :)

John throws alot of window glass on the cement floor :)

and then pulls down Borgunter's pants :) (Remember the old days borghunter :) )

Holywood says that (watch Walt Disney), "If you ridicule authority, break alot of glass, and pull somebodies pants down, you have a "Hit", that will make you money. And that wisdom is based on their experience. Why mankind goes for that stuff I have no idea, absolutely none!

Sal, I don't think anybody can pull your pants down :) and survive the experience. So anyway, I am being very careful that your name does not come up in this post! Ok?

I would go after Nappy, but I think he wears a thong. Yuk :)

Signed by,
Somebody named "Tuck", but I have no idea who he is :)

and you all think i am the forum drunk.. this guy is fucking nuts...

and you all think i am the forum drunk.. this guy is fucking nuts...


Be glad you never had the pleasure of meeting TheAuthenticFan. Though I miss TAF in a way.

Whatever it is you're on, tell me what it is and the name and phone number of the dealer from whom you acquired it.

Son, my Borghunter loved one, the only thing that anybody can accuse me of, is that I am on drugs or that I am crazy :)

I am a genus in the middle of idiots :) and so far Sparky says that I can play. But at the say time both he and I know that there has to be rules. He is studing me and I am studing him. Everything but "Sparky" is a game. Sparky is not a game because "I" want to be here. Sparky is stability in a "rogue" reality. Nobody has ever done what he is doing. Ever! :) There is only one All Forums.net and Sparky's genius is the gift :) it is you know :)

I am humbled because I actually get to play here. All rogue messageboards in the future are going to be based on how All forums.net did it :) I don't know how All Forums.net did it. All forums.net should have self destructed :) but it didn't! Now the question is "Why?" What is Sparky's genius? Oh and this also Borghunter :) you are a part of his team!

What am I "on" Borgunther :) ? I am only saying this because you are smart enough to understand what I am saying. Otherwise I would just jerk you around.

Tuck :)

I am a genus in the middle of idiots

LOL.

Tucker really loves those smiley faces... :) ... in a creepy sorta way.

Poor tucker. He tries so hard to be a troll, but nobody takes him seriously.

tuckers trying to be a troll?

Is that what he means by "rogue"?

tuckers trying to be a troll?

Is that what he means by "rogue"?

I believe so, yes.

LOL.

:) but the truth is Free, so are you :)

So anyway Free, "LOL" works for me :)

Free, you are a gift to this messageboard :) So Free, what kind of drugs are they going to accuse you of being on :) after all if you are not an "Idiot", you therefore have to be on drugs or crazy :)

In the immortal words of "DanF", "Ain't life grand!"

Tuck

Originally Posted by Inviolable
tuckers trying to be a troll?

Is that what he means by "rogue"?

I believe so, yes.

:) The Jews accused Jesus of being a "Troll" (Rogue). We are all still trying to sort this one out, over two thousand years later :) and Jesus is our Master, Inviolable. :) There is a reason why nobody likes Christians and only Christians like Jesus :) There is you know.

Hi Sal! I love a good minds (wether mine is or not)! They are priceless in todays world! I have your tail feather :) catch me if you can :) I ain't going to part with it!

tuck

and Oh this :) Even if Christians chased all none Christians out of the messagebaord, this messageboard would still be up to its "tush" in Christian versus Christian conflict. I love that part :)

The question is, "What would happen if we had "Christains" versus "Christians" versus "Non Christians" all at the same time :) and that is just America. :) Damn guys :) the potential of controled conflict is totally too cool! Only on All forums.net because we have Sparky :) No other messageboard on the internet has Sparky! None. Oh and this also, a group of really bright people! On All.Forums even the "Idiots" are actually bright! I love that part!

God but I love All Forums.net! There ain't no place on the internet like it! I've looked !

tuck