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justice432
11-10-2003, 03:16 PM
http://cuttingedge.org/news/n1112.cfm

And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book." [Daniel 12:1]

Of course, Michael is the Archangel of God, and the specific National Guardian Angel of Israel. We see this responsibility in Dan. 10:13,21; and in 12:1, quoted above. To more fully understand the events about to break upon us, and the role that the conflict in the supernatural sphere will play in these events, let us examine several additional Scriptures.

1) Even though we cannot see the struggle occurring, supernatural beings are battling in their dimension, to determine the events about to occur on Earth.

In Daniel 10, we see that Daniel began a 21 day fast so that God would hear his prayer to tell him more of Israel's future. On the first day of Daniel's fast, God sent this angel to go to Daniel with the answer. However, this angel was prevented from getting through to Daniel because of a conflict with a demonic being described as "prince of the kingdom of Persia". What does this title mean? It means that Satan has assigned a powerful demon, who is identified here, to attempt to influence the activities of the King of Persia. The Bible does teach that both Demonic and Godly angels are assigned to the leaders of the nations throughout history, to influence the ruler to take actions that will direct his nation one way or the other. In the case of this angel trying to come to Daniel, he was unable to defeat this powerful National Angel on his own, so he had to turn to the National Angel for Israel, Michael, for assistance. Apparently, Michael is the most powerful of the national Godly Angels, for we see him gaining the victory over the demonic National Angel here, in Daniel 12:1, and in the Book of Revelation [12:7], where Satan himself is cast from Heaven by Michael.

The key point here, though, is to understand that each major nation, at the least, and maybe all nations, have had a supernatural angel assigned to the leader of the time. God assigns His angels, and Satan assigns his. Battles are constantly occurring in the Supernatural realm for the direction of that human national leader.


2) A description of a particular battle that occurred in the time of Daniel is given us, for our greater understanding.

Verses 12-13 and 20-21 describe a battle between Godly and demonic forces that sounds very intense and extremely protracted. Apparently, also, the battle for the direction of a particular country begins in the Heavenly sphere many years before that country or that leader actually arise. In verse 20-21, we see that, when the Godly Angel returns to the supernatural sphere, he knows he will be engaged in a battle for the King of Greece. The domination of the Grecian Empire was still over 200 years in the future at this time.


3) Events will get so very bad that Israel will be defeated were it not for the powerful intervention of Michael himself, the Guardian Angel of Israel.

At the time of the End, events will turn so completely against Israel that her powerful National Guardian Angel, Michael, will have to vigorously defend Israel. Let us examine these Scriptures, the first of which we printed, above.

Daniel 12:1 -- ""And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book."

* The words "At that time", refer to the Great Tribulation Period, spoken of in Daniel 11:36-45.

* In Biblical terminology, whenever a priest or a leader has to "stand up", it means that he is springing to action to defeat an enemy.

* We see that this crisis which causes Michael to "stand up" to defend Israel is totally unprecedented in nature. Israel is going through a period of trouble unequaled in her entire history, and this trouble occurs in the Last Days of Time.

* The strong implication here is that, if Michael did not personally defend Israel during this time of unequaled trouble, Israel would be annihilated.

mad dog
11-10-2003, 03:28 PM
You should write a book

BorgHunter
11-10-2003, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by mad dog
You should write a book
Then everyone will realize how nuts he is.

astrapol2
11-11-2003, 07:08 AM
A few questions :
1- What has been Michael doing before 1947 ?
2- Can you explain exactly how these angels fight the demons ? And how they influence the leaders ?
3- Since Michael is stronger than even Satan, how comes Israel has not managed to solve all of its problems years ago ?
4- What about France and the USA ? I would like to know which angels are assigned to the protectio of our countries. I guess it muts be a quite lesser angel for the USA since when your country was created, all major angels already were on duty. On the other hand, when I see the policy of my country, I'm afraid a devil has beaten our angel since decades.

ElementLight2
12-05-2003, 05:30 PM
1- What has been Michael doing before 1947 ?

Michael has been doing exactly what God tells him to do, which we have no need of knowing about.

2- Can you explain exactly how these angels fight the demons ? And how they influence the leaders ?

No I am afraid we can not give that information for the simple reason we do not have that information. And God's reason for not sharing this information with us is the fact that are minds are too primitive to fully understand that kind of stuff yet (Please do not take my comments offensively, my comments are of my religious beliefs.).

3- Since Michael is stronger than even Satan, how comes Israel has not managed to solve all of its problems years ago ?

God has no intention of providing us with world peace, he is trying his best to provide us with spiritual peace which is more important.

4- What about France and the USA ? I would like to know which angels are assigned to the protectio of our countries. I guess it muts be a quite lesser angel for the USA since when your country was created, all major angels already were on duty. On the other hand, when I see the policy of my country, I'm afraid a devil has beaten our angel since decades.

Angels are assigned their duties by God, but God is not going to force us to make peace with our fellow countries. God leaves decisions like that to us, not to his angels.

Demons beat angels by beating us, I am not saying that we are angels. But Satan knows he can not defeat God directly, so he attacks the very thing God loves most, us. He know God lets us decide whether we are going to love God back or not, so he does his best to tempt us to follow him instead. Follow him directly to hell that is.

Contrare to most beliefs, Satan does not rule hell, he himself will soon be a victim of this place and he is simply trying to bring as much company with him as possible.

mad dog
12-08-2003, 10:32 AM
No such thing as hell, or satan

sputnik
12-08-2003, 02:53 PM
say there is a hell (and i don't believe there is) then who created it? it's not mentioned in genesis when god creates the world.

Imp
12-18-2003, 03:37 PM
Didn't god make a home for satan...when he threw him out of heaven...? Or did satan have to build it himself...?

mad dog
12-18-2003, 03:47 PM
There is no satan, God loves all of his creations, so if there were a satan then that would mean God has been lying and he doesn't love all of his creations

Imp
12-18-2003, 03:49 PM
Then where does hate come from...?

And why is there so much of it in this world...?

mad dog
12-18-2003, 04:12 PM
Hate is just another word made up by humans, basically the best way I can answer your question is sh** happens.

Take a person walking through the woods, they get attacked by a bear. Now the person being attacked probably thinks this is the work of the devil. The bear that is attacking is probably thinking meal time, fear, or guarding its area. Then we see it on the news at night and we think what was the dumba** doing in the woods in the first place.

Take anything that happens it can have a hundred different answers to why it is happening, but I have yet to see any proof of anything being the work of the devil.

Humans do different things for different reasons, "race hate" could be something that was taught or maybe peer pressure, etc... Attacking someone could be done for many reasons, money, drugs, or just something as simple as a screw loose in the mind.

When something bad happens why do people instantly want to blame a bad creature? Why not try to figure out what happened, and learn? Just imagine if science had not tried to explain different stuff. We would still see a thunder storm as the work of the devil. Everytime a valcano erupted we would think the devil was comming.