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truthout
09-09-2007, 11:50 AM
China threatens 'nuclear option' of dollar sales


By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Last Updated: 8:39pm BST 10/08/2007


The Chinese government has begun a concerted campaign of economic threats against the United States, hinting that it may liquidate its vast holding of US treasuries if Washington imposes trade sanctions to force a yuan revaluation.

Two officials at leading Communist Party bodies have given interviews in recent days warning - for the first time - that Beijing may use its $1.33 trillion (£658bn) of foreign reserves as a political weapon to counter pressure from the US Congress.

Shifts in Chinese policy are often announced through key think tanks and academies.

Described as China's "nuclear option" in the state media, such action could trigger a dollar crash at a time when the US currency is already breaking down through historic support levels.

It would also cause a spike in US bond yields, hammering the US housing market and perhaps tipping the economy into recession. It is estimated that China holds over $900bn in a mix of US bonds.

Xia Bin, finance chief at the Development Research Centre (which has cabinet rank), kicked off what now appears to be government policy with a comment last week that Beijing's foreign reserves should be used as a "bargaining chip" in talks with the US.

"Of course, China doesn't want any undesirable phenomenon in the global financial order," he added.

He Fan, an official at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, went even further today, letting it be known that Beijing had the power to set off a dollar collapse if it choose to do so.

"China has accumulated a large sum of US dollars. Such a big sum, of which a considerable portion is in US treasury bonds, contributes a great deal to maintaining the position of the dollar as a reserve currency. Russia, Switzerland, and several other countries have reduced the their dollar holdings.

"China is unlikely to follow suit as long as the yuan's exchange rate is stable against the dollar. The Chinese central bank will be forced to sell dollars once the yuan appreciated dramatically, which might lead to a mass depreciation of the dollar," he told China Daily.

The threats play into the presidential electoral campaign of Hillary Clinton, who has called for restrictive legislation to prevent America being "held hostage to economic decicions being made in Beijing, Shanghai, or Tokyo".

She said foreign control over 44pc of the US national debt had left America acutely vulnerable.

Simon Derrick, a currency strategist at the Bank of New York Mellon, said the comments were a message to the US Senate as Capitol Hill prepares legislation for the Autumn session.

"The words are alarming and unambiguous. This carries a clear political threat and could have very serious consequences at a time when the credit markets are already afraid of contagion from the subprime troubles," he said.

A bill drafted by a group of US senators, and backed by the Senate Finance Committee, calls for trade tariffs against Chinese goods as retaliation for alleged currency manipulation.

The yuan has appreciated 9pc against the dollar over the last two years under a crawling peg but it has failed to halt the rise of China's trade surplus, which reached $26.9bn in June.

Henry Paulson, the US Tresury Secretary, said any such sanctions would undermine American authority and "could trigger a global cycle of protectionist legislation".

Mr Paulson is a China expert from his days as head of Goldman Sachs. He has opted for a softer form of diplomacy, but appeared to win few concession from Beijing on a unscheduled trip to China last week aimed at calming the waters.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2007/08/07/bcnchina107a.xml

sedan
09-09-2007, 12:14 PM
Someone should have posted this a month ago.

Oh wait, someone did.

http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?t=29717

OldPhart
09-09-2007, 12:29 PM
It was like deja vu.... all over again.

Freethinker
09-09-2007, 01:40 PM
The Chinese government has begun a concerted campaign of economic threats against the United States, hinting that it may liquidate its vast holding of US treasuries ........

As I have often noted in the past, this country is being buoyed by a huge influx of foreign capital that keeps it afloat.

If the Chinese ever WERE to pull their holdings, this country can --economically-- get ready to piss on the fire and call in the dogs. It's over.

mikezila
09-09-2007, 01:49 PM
Someone should have posted this a month ago.

Oh wait, someone did.

http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?t=29717
wow-the exact same source:@@:

mikezila
09-09-2007, 01:54 PM
As I have often noted in the past, this country is being buoyed by a huge influx of foreign capital that keeps it afloat.

If the Chinese ever WERE to pull their holdings, this country can --economically-- get ready to piss on the fire and call in the dogs. It's over.
you're half right..it's not foreign capital that keeps us afloat, it's foreign made goods.

China would have no economy if we stopped buying crap that we don't need from them.

truthout
09-09-2007, 07:06 PM
It is indeed scary that George Bush would allow a COMMUNIST nation to hold 44 percent of our debt.

All so Bush could give tax cuts to the rich and have enough money to fund his illegal war.

Try not to buy anything from China. Heck, try as I can not too, I just bought a pair of Dockers slacks made... you guessed it, in China.

DarkFantasy96
09-09-2007, 07:10 PM
It is indeed scary that George Bush would allow a COMMUNIST nation to hold 44 percent of our debt.

All so Bush could give tax cuts to the rich and have enough money to fund his illegal war.

Try not to buy anything from China. Heck, try as I can not too, I just bought a pair of Dockers slacks made... you guessed it, in China.
I find that most of my clothes, especially jeans, were made in Ecuador or Honduras. The sweatpants I'm wearing now were made in China though, and my underwear were made in Sri Lanka. My shirt doesn't say where it was made though.

truthout
09-09-2007, 07:14 PM
You can, I have found, buy one thing American: GOLD TOE SOCKS.

Freethinker
09-09-2007, 07:19 PM
...it's not foreign capital that keeps us afloat, it's foreign made goods.

I wonder which part of --

"""China has accumulated a large sum of US dollars. Such a big sum, of which a considerable portion is in US treasury bonds, contributes a great deal to maintaining the position of the dollar as a reserve currency. ........foreign control over 44pc of the US national debt had left America acutely vulnerable.""

---it is that you cannot understand.

Freethinker
09-09-2007, 07:24 PM
It is indeed scary that George Bush would allow a COMMUNIST nation to hold 44 percent of our debt.

All so Bush could give tax cuts to the rich and have enough money to fund his illegal war.

Well, I hardly think it's fair to lay this problem in B*sh's lap.

This has been going on for many years. B*sh --who is far more a puppet figure than he is any sort of mover and shaker in international monetary issues-- did not put it into effect.

mikezila
09-09-2007, 07:39 PM
I wonder which part of --

"""China has accumulated a large sum of US dollars. Such a big sum, of which a considerable portion is in US treasury bonds, contributes a great deal to maintaining the position of the dollar as a reserve currency. ........foreign control over 44pc of the US national debt had left America acutely vulnerable.""

---it is that you cannot understand.
where did you think they got the money? domestic egg roll sales?:rolleyes:

DarkFantasy96
09-09-2007, 07:40 PM
You can, I have found, buy one thing American: GOLD TOE SOCKS.
I have bought many clothes in the past that are made in the U.S. However, they get a substantial price markup... I suppose I generally don't think about it, but I'd rather buy something made in, say, South America than in China.

Freethinker
09-09-2007, 08:07 PM
where did you think they got the money?

As loathe as I am to try and educate ostritches, I have to note here that where they "got it" is not germane to the issue of what will happen to this economy should the Chinese pull out.

moderate
09-09-2007, 08:19 PM
All this is well and good. The Chinese do hold to much of the US debt. During the 1970's it was the Japanese, not only holding our notes, but buying up a large amount of property in this country. In 10 - 20 years it will be someone else. If there is a country thats not in debt, to someone, I'm not aware of it.

gmsisko1
09-09-2007, 10:27 PM
The evil rich people pay more taxes in dollar amount and in percentage than you or I, so yes, they will get a tax cut when we lower taxes.

Is it all the fault of Bush that China holds 44 percent of our debt? or is it also the fault of someone else? (at least be honest)

Tax cuts for the rich, wa wa wa cry cry cry

Why can't you use your brain???? Don't the rich provide more jobs than the poor? cry cry cry

It is indeed scary that George Bush would allow a COMMUNIST nation to hold 44 percent of our debt.

All so Bush could give tax cuts to the rich and have enough money to fund his illegal war.

Try not to buy anything from China. Heck, try as I can not too, I just bought a pair of Dockers slacks made... you guessed it, in China.

Freethinker
09-09-2007, 10:38 PM
Is it all the fault of Bush that China holds 44 percent of our debt?

No.

But it most certainly is not ""well and good"" that they do.