PDA

View Full Version : The last wars we won


truthout
09-09-2007, 02:30 AM
The last wars we won.

By Paul Glastris
Editor, The Washington Monthly

When I was a kid during Vietnam, I remember hearing some of my father’s friends—like him, World War II vets who voted Republican—scornfully declare that they had served during “the last war we won.” It was a not-too-subtle swipe at the Democrats for failing to achieve victory in a war they had started.

These days, as we watch the United States stumble through another slow-motion defeat, I find myself incredulous that the Democrats don’t regularly invoke the last wars America did, in fact, win: Bosnia and Kosovo.

Most Americans probably don’t remember the precise outcomes of—much less the circumstances leading up to—those small Balkan conflicts. But I can’t forget them. I covered the end of the war in Bosnia as a reporter and was a speechwriter in the Clinton White House during Kosovo. In both cases it was clear, at least to me and my Balkan-obsessed friends, that Serbian strongman Slobodan Milosevic was engineering ethnic slaughter for his own political ends; that both conflicts, happening in the same country that sparked World War I, could spill over into neighboring states; and that Europe, by itself, was incapable of ending the violence.

America, in my opinion, had no option but to get involved militarily. But much of the national security establishment wasn’t so sure, because the prospects for success seemed so grim. Religious and ethnic enmities in Yugoslavia were, if anything, worse than those in Iraq (at least until recently). At home, Clinton faced a far tougher political environment than Bush later would on the eve of the Iraq War: a hostile Congress controlled by the opposite party; a military that deeply distrusted him; and a pre-9/11 voting public that did not feel that the security of the nation was threatened in any direct way. The administration compounded these problems with a series of mistakes—from its initial half-hearted effort to sell the Europeans on a military strategy for Bosnia to underestimating Milosevic’s resolve to hold on to Kosovo.

And yet both conflicts ended with impressive military victories. In Bosnia in the summer of 1995, Croat and Muslim ground troops, armed (and, in the case of the Croats, trained) with tacit U.S. government support, routed the Serbs in southern Croatia and eastern Bosnia, while U.S.-led NATO air and naval forces pounded Bosnian Serb military positions with smart bombs and Tomahawk missiles. That one-two punch forced Milosevic to sue for peace at the Dayton Accords. Then, in March 1999, after 300,000 Kosovar Albanians had been driven from their homes by Serb troops fighting Kosovo Liberation Army guerillas, NATO launched another air war, this time hitting Kosovo and Serbia proper. Seventy-eight days later, Milosevic pulled his forces out of Kosovo.

We achieved these victories—whether by luck, skill, planning, or some combination—without the loss of a single American soldier’s life in combat. Most important of all, we won the peace, deploying multinational occupation forces sizable and robust enough to keep a tense but reasonably democratic order—an order that holds to this day. As for Milosevic: he was forced from power the next year by a nonviolent democratic mass movement and sent to The Hague, where he died in 2006.

To put this achievement in perspective: no Democratic president since FDR has launched and won a war. Clinton won two. That’s a hell of a record, and one you’d expect would be embraced by a party that has struggled to convince voters of its capacity to lead on national security. Yet while Democrats will occasionally invoke the Bosnian and Kosovo peacekeeping operations as a way of criticizing the botched Iraq occupation, you almost never hear them talk about Bosnia and Kosovo as military victories per se.

In some sense, this is understandable: these victories did not really feel very triumphal at the time (except perhaps to the men and women in uniform who carried out the missions). They were wars almost nobody was psyched for, that were fought—on our end anyway—from 30,000 feet in the air, over stakes that were not—again, for us—existential in nature. Even the White House had trouble finding the right words to express what we had achieved. The day Milosevic started pulling his troops out of Kosovo, the NSC produced a draft of the speech the president would deliver that evening in prime time. It included, if memory serves, about a dozen mentions of Europe but not one use of the word “victory.” The political side of the White House pushed back, and with the president’s approval the speech was punched up—on the teleprompter, about ten minutes before he went live before the nation.

But if the Balkan victories lacked a certain political frisson, can you imagine today’s Republicans being blasé about them had they occurred during a GOP presidency? Of course not. They’d talk them up incessantly.

So should Democrats. After all, there’s a reason these victories happened on a Democrat’s watch. They were the result of a strategy based on liberal principles: that you go to war with profound reluctance, only after all other options have been exhausted, all points of view heard, all evidence weighed, and all necessary allies brought on board.

Democrats often talk about these principles, but mostly in the abstract or as part of their critique of Bush and the neocons, and so they tend to sound either airy or carping. The problem, I think, is that Democrats fail to connect, even in their own minds, the principles they believe in with the only actual recent evidence for their soundness: our victories in Bosnia and Kosovo.

Would talking more about these victories stir the passions of average voters, most of whom barely remember the Balkan wars? Probably not. But there’s another audience that I think might be more receptive: the military.

The uniformed services were, for the most part, skeptical at best about the missions they were given in the Balkans. There was much grumbling, especially among the officer corps, which by then had become almost tribally Republican, that postconflict occupations were undermining readiness and keeping soldiers from training for their “real” mission, which is to fight big wars against serious enemies. The thinking was that Bosnia and Kosovo were the kind of candy-ass humanitarian assignments you get when there’s a liberal in the White House. The Bush campaign in 2000 deftly exploited that resentment. As Condoleezza Rice put it: “We don’t need to have the 82nd Airborne escorting kids to kindergarten.”

Now, after four tough years in Iraq, and five and a half in Afghanistan, nobody in uniform thinks peacekeeping and nation-building missions are something only Democrats order up. They know that whether they like it or not, such operations are likely to come their way again (say, to stop a genocide in oil-rich Nigeria, or stabilize North Korea if the current regime collapses) no matter who’s president.

Given this awareness, Democrats need to offer men and women in uniform a simple proposition: If you want your next war to end up like Iraq, vote Republican, but if you want it to turn out more like Kosovo, vote for us.

That’s my advice, anyway. But I’m not a soldier. If you want to know what members of the military are really thinking about war, politics, and the next election, you have to ask them. And so we did. In this month’s cover package, seven recent war veterans respond to the question “What can a Democrat say to get my vote?” I think you’ll find their answers fascinating.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2007/0706.EdNote.html

Frogger
09-09-2007, 05:54 AM
Posters have in the past commented on sources used for cut and paste jobs so I decided to do a bit of research on The Washington Monthly.


The magazine's founder is Charles Peters, who started the magazine in 1969 and continues to write columns occasionally. Paul Glastris, former speechwriter for Bill Clinton, has been the Monthly's editor-in-chief since 2001. Author and journalist Markos Kounalakis is the magazine's current president. Nick Penniman is the magazine's current publisher. Past staff editors of the magazine include Taylor Branch, James Fallows, David Ignatius, Nicholas Lemann, Mickey Kaus, Jonathan Alter, Joshua Green and Jon Meacham.

While the source of a cut and paste doesn't automatically make the artice right or wrong it can, as has been previously noted, slant an article to support a particular bias. Let's look at some of the people mentioned in the paragraph above to try to decide if they might have a particular bias that colors the writing found in the Washington Monthly.


Markos Kounalakis is the director of the Center for National Policy.
Previous Presidents and Chairmen of CNP include three former U.S. Secretaries of State, Madeleine Albright, Edmund Muskie and Cyrus Vance

Paul Glastris is an American journalist and political columnist. Glastris is the current editor in chief of The Washington Monthly and was President Bill Clinton's chief speechwriter from September 1998 to the end of his presidency in early 2001.

Nick Penniman is a member of The Schumann Center for Media and Democracy, an organization that funds activists groups.


Taylor Branch helped run the Texas campaign of Democratic presidential nominee George McGovern.

James Fallows was Jimmie Carter's chief speechwriter for the first two years of the Carter administration.


David Ignatius writes for the lberal Washington Post.


Nicholas Lemann is a national staff reporter for The Washington Post

Mickey Kauss has identified himself as neoliberal.

Jonathan Alter has long been moderately and unpredictably liberal, and has become a sometimes fierce critic of President Bush.

es347fan
09-09-2007, 06:34 AM
Tell us, truthout, have you ever served in the military?

Frogger
09-09-2007, 06:46 AM
This is a listing of the threads started by truthout. Anyone detect a pattern?



The last wars we won

Bush's outrageous assault on free speech

Time to Take a Stand

Is Gen Petraeus, Bush's Gen Westmoreland??

Good Night, and Good Luck.

51% want Congress to probe Bush/Cheney - 30% seek immediate impeachment!

TIME magazine hits the nail on the head

Making progress????

The Perfect GOP Presidential Candidate

Minneapolis, City of Champions

Support the troops? No thanks.

Why the Dem Congress has such low poll ratings, lower than the Commander in Chief

Remember Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution?

Republican Scandals, 2007

Call Boys take a Midnight tour of the White House

Post this in a Public restroom....as a public service!

Unfair to Senator Craig

Craig will resign. Why not Vitter and Stevens, too???

Message for GOP 2008 Minneapolis Convention

First Senator Vitter, now Senator Craig, next arrest Alberto Gonzales, then....

Now if only Bush, Cheney, Rice, et al would

USA: A subprime borrower

Fascist America, in 10 easy steps

War Analogy Strikes Nerve in Vietnam

Is this the SURGE Bush is referring to?

Brooks
09-09-2007, 07:28 AM
Here's a slightly better look at the facts.

Kosovo: The Meaning of Victory

By Mark Danner
July 15, 1999


Madeleine Albright could hardly contain her excitement. "We have been victorious,and Milosevic has lost!"
As she spoke, Slobodan Milosevic issued orders in Belgrade; Russian troops, marched into Pristina, embarrassing their supposed NATO allies. And more than eight hundred fifty thousand Kosovar Albanians languished in their tent cities in Albania, Macedonia, and Montenegro.

Before our involvement: a small province torn by a low-level guerrilla uprising and a savage counterinsurgency staged to suppress it; tens of thousands of people homeless, perhaps two thousand dead.
After our involvement: A land destroyed; countless houses and schools burned; nearly a million people stripped of their homes, their belongings, their identities, deported and displaced. And finally scores, perhaps hundreds, raped; thousands, perhaps many thousands, dead.

And let's not forget what happened. Innocent people herded into concentration camps, children gunned down by snipers on their way to school, soccer fields and parks turned into cemeteries. A quarter of a million people killed….
At the time, many people believed nothing could be done to end the bloodshed in Bosnia. They said, "Well, that's just the way those people in the Balkans are.
http://www.markdanner.com/articles/print/47

This was written eight years ago before we forgot about the actual facts of this "war".
The article also goes on to talk about how President Clinton fought wars while taking no political risk. How he was "fully committed" in Somalia until "Black Hawk Down", etc...

We didn't lose any military personnel in Kosovo. I'm glad about that, but it shows that the President's political capital was more important to him than achieving any particular result.

But if Dems want to consider this a victory, they can have it.

gmsisko1
09-09-2007, 07:49 AM
Hey Truth,

Who got us into the Vietnam War? FT or Dharm, you are free to answer too.

Freethinker
09-09-2007, 08:56 AM
Who got us into the Vietnam War? FT or Dharm, you are free to answer too.

Ok.

His name was Eisenhower.

Frogger
09-09-2007, 10:50 AM
Actually his name was Kennedy. Eisenhower had no ground troops in Viet Nam, only advisors. Kennedy and Johnson escalated the positioning of ground troops in Viet Nam.

es347fan
09-09-2007, 11:22 AM
What got us into Vietnam was SEATO (Southeast Asia Treaty Organization), established on 8 Sep 1954. It was dissolved 30 Jun 1977. Eisenhower was POTUS at that time, not Kennedy.

SEATO (http://bartelby.com/65/st/SthEATO.html)

truthout
09-09-2007, 11:54 AM
Yes, it was indeed Ike.

Frogger has a list of articles he/she should read. Might get an education.

In fact I added another one about how we are about to be held hostage by the Chinese as our dollar becomes worthless.... scary stuff.

Brooks
09-09-2007, 01:00 PM
Frogger has a list of articles he/she should read. Might get an education.
One who calls Kosovo a victory should not be so quick to criticize another's education.

mikezila
09-09-2007, 01:22 PM
how long did it take to have an exit strategy for that quagmire?

truthout
09-09-2007, 07:24 PM
Milosevic, thanks to President Clinton's efforts, faced a war crimes tribunal; much like what George Bush should be facing today.

Frogger
09-09-2007, 07:50 PM
Yes, it was indeed Ike.

Frogger has a list of articles he/she should read. Might get an education.

In fact I added another one about how we are about to be held hostage by the Chinese as our dollar becomes worthless.... scary stuff.

Truthout,

Perhaps it is you who needs to be educated on the Vietnam conflict.

Our involvement in Vietnam was a direct result of the Truman Doctrine. You do remember Truman don't you? He was the Democrat President who succeeded FDR. You do know what the Truman Doctrine was, don't you? That is elementary knowledge for anyone interested in American or world history. Maybe you should Google it so that you can reply more intelligently next time.

Eisenhower sent 900 advisors to Vietnam during his presidency. He was very reluctant to send troops. In fact he was castigated by much of the free world for refusing to lend air support to the beleaguered French forces at Dienbenphu. When Kennedy became president he increased Eisenhower's 900 advisors to 16,000 troops. LBJ increased the number of troops even more.

Don't try to teach someone history unless you know it yourself.

gmsisko1
09-10-2007, 05:39 AM
Frogger,

Your post above is very true. I believe Johnson got us into that war. Kerry thought or still thinks it was Nixon. (Figures)

gmsisko1
09-10-2007, 05:43 AM
While Johnson didn't enter us into the war, he had a major part of it.



As historian Robert Dallek writes, "Lyndon Johnson's escalation of the war in Vietnam divided Americans into warring camps … cost 30,000 American lives by the time he left office, (and) destroyed Johnson's presidency …"[91] His refusal to send more U.S. troops to Vietnam was Johnson's admission that the war was lost. As Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara noted, "the dangerous illusion of victory by the United States was therefore dead."[92]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_war#John_F._Kennedy.27s_escalation_and_Ame ricanization.2C_1960.E2.80.931963