....he who win souls is wise. Proverbs 11:30

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....he who win souls is wise. Proverbs 11:30

I can see the Army needing recruiters.
I can see industry needing recruiters.
I can see sports needing recruiters.

But an omnipotent God?

Then again, if the recruitement is only for a particular religion I can understand the need for their financial and policy support, it is good business.
A human thing.

"Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it." -- Andre Gide

Dan,

If a person loves God and feels his religion is good he/she will want to share his religion with others. This need not be constant harrassing or importuning but can be a simple invitation to attend church or an explanation of one's religion. If the other person indicates he/whe would rather not accept the invitation or hear about your religion back off. Very few people are won to a religion by annoying them.

The way I invite people to God is by never denying Him. If people are interested I talk to them about my faith. If they are not, I don't.

Dan,

If a person loves God and feels his religion is good he/she will want to share his religion with others. This need not be constant harrassing or importuning but can be a simple invitation to attend church or an explanation of one's religion. If the other person indicates he/whe would rather not accept the invitation or hear about your religion back off. Very few people are won to a religion by annoying them.

The way I invite people to God is by never denying Him. If people are interested I talk to them about my faith. If they are not, I don't.

Frogger, I would say that this is a good policy. You are an exception in many ways.

The question I am raising is, are the majority of people inviting people to God or are they inviting them to their particular religion?
To me, if I were to invite someone to find God, I would say something along the lines of praying and seeking. I would not mention a particular religion.

Can most people separate God from their personal religion?
I believe in a supreme being;I do not follow a particular religion like many of you do.

I was responding mainly to the "he who goes out and saves souls" type thing.
This may ultimately have nothing to do with an existing religion.

Dan,

People who believe in God and not a particular religion are theist. All believers in a particular religious faith are theist but not all theist are believers in a particular faith.

When people believe in a particular faith they believe that faith has certain aspects that make it better than other faiths. That does not mean they think other faiths are wrong or bad. In my family, me, my wife and my children, we are all Christian but we also are believers in four different sects of Christianity. My wife and two of my sons and their families are Roman Catholic. My other son is Prespytarian, my daughter and her husband are Pentacostal and I am Lutheran. We all believe slightly differently. That does not mean we each think the other's particular faith is bad or wrong, only that we think ours is 'more right'.

I personally think the Christian religion is the correct religion and the one sure way to salvation. Believing that I wish all people were Christians. I wish Muslims were Christians. I wish atheists were Christians. I wish Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains, Shintoists, animists and every other believer in a different religion was Christian. Believing this it is my duty and my desire to offer them what I see as the world's most precious gift. I believe the words of the church, "Go ye therefore into all nations, teaching and baptizing them in the name of The Lord." I have taught Christianity. I have preached Christianity. I have baptized a young child in the name of The Lord. That does not mean I feel it is my right to beat people over the head with Christianity or that I believe all non-Christians will go to hell. I believe in a loving God so I cling to the hope that God will take everyone into heaven. I cannot know what God will do but I can hope that He will do a certain thing.

I cannot know what God will do but I can hope that He will do a certain thing.
Don't count on it. When we were dating He never wanted to experiment---you can't always get him to do a "certain thing."

Don't count on it. When we were dating He never wanted to experiment---you can't always get him to do a "certain thing."Hey, someone's evil twin has computer access. :D

Everyone grab your nearest New Testament and read Matthew 6:5-6.

When people believe in a particular faith they believe that faith has certain aspects that make it better than other faiths.

I agree that this happens, but isn't that a human failing?


We all believe slightly differently. That does not mean we each think the other's particular faith is bad or wrong, only that we think ours is 'more right'.

No doubt that promotes family harmony. :)


I personally think the Christian religion is the correct religion and the one sure way to salvation.

Undoubtedly most people feel this way about their religion, whatever that may be. Why does there have to be one "correct" religion? If you're on a spiritual journey, whether it be towards salvation, enlightenment, or nirvana, isn't the destination of far more importance than the road you take to get there?

Everyone grab your nearest New Testament and read Matthew 6:5-6.

One of my favorite passages Phyrex. :)

For those without a Bible at hand:

"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." - Matthew 6:5-6

For those without a Bible at hand:

Ah, but everyone here does have a Bible "at hand", though they may know it not...

http://www.biblegateway.com

Everyone grab your nearest New Testament and read Matthew 6:5-6.

This passage, to me, is support that the subconscious is in communication with all that is.
The thinking mind being the closet.

Ah, but everyone here does have a Bible "at hand", though they may know it not...

http://www.biblegateway.com
:thumbs:


As for Matthew 6:5-6, I know that this verse applies to a lot of people. I have been to churches where everyone in the church prayed at the top of their lungs, and of course, I have been to prayer meetings where it was almost required that, as they went around the room everyone prayed one at a time. I never fully understood the point of this. A former pastor of mine once made the point that you "learn to pray by studying how others pray." I took up issue with him, trying to discuss the fact that in scipture Christ dicusses how you should pray with his "Lord's Prayer." I was just sort of brushed aside and the fact was disregarded.

All that said - I dont think that particular verse really applies to what Solomon was writing in Proverbs 11:30. Christians believe that it is important to "witness" to those that they believe needs Christ. One does not need to pray to the top of his lungs to do this. In fact, one really doesn't need to pray at all. The few times I witnessed a witnessing (:lolhit: ) , the people for the most part were very cordial and polite. There of course was the use of mundane, dated beliefs and scare tactics used to try to "win their soul.", which I was always steadfastly against.

I agree with a lot of the former posts that in a way I appreciate those who want to "witness" to me, because I understand in their way they are wanting to help me. It is when they do not take a polite no as an answer when it becomes an issue.

When people believe in a particular faith they believe that faith has certain aspects that make it better than other faiths.

I agree that this happens, but isn't that a human failing?

No, not at all, Vilepagan. If you don't believe in the greater value of your beliefs why hold them. I believe democracy is better than other forms of government. If I didn't believe that I wouldn't be such a fervent advocate of democracy. Believing your faith has certain aspects that make it better than other faiths does not mean you think you are better than people who don't believe as you do.



We all believe slightly differently. That does not mean we each think the other's particular faith is bad or wrong, only that we think ours is 'more right'.

No doubt that promotes family harmony.

As a matter of fact, it does. We all respect each other's faiths and would not think of denigrating them or those who hold to them. Do you think I would love my wife or one of my children less if they were a Democrat.

I personally think the Christian religion is the correct religion and the one sure way to salvation.


Undoubtedly most people feel this way about their religion, whatever that may be. Why does there have to be one "correct" religion? If you're on a spiritual journey, whether it be towards salvation, enlightenment, or nirvana, isn't the destination of far more importance than the road you take to get there?

Not always. This is not a question of simple enlightenment. If it were than your supposition would be correct. Since I believe my religion is the correct religion I would be damning myself, at least in my own mind if I held it in no higher regard than all other beliefs. I feel that were I to deny my religion I would be placing my salvation in danger. Again, thinking my religion is the correct one doesn't mean I disrespect other religions or those who adhere to them.

....he who win souls is wise. Proverbs 11:30


Based on bin laden's latest appearance, where he tries to convince Americans to become Muslims, I guess bin laden must be "wise".

One of my favorite passages Phyrex. :)

Glad it is. I always point that one out when people try to force Christianity on me, lol.