I'm surprised nobody started a thread up about this, but then again, Michael Vick IS getting a tad annoying. However, on her first day on the view, Goldberg defended Michael Vick, holding him to different standards than "someone from New York"...

I agree with her on the aspect that different parts of our culture are more acclimated with different acts or traditions... however, Goldberg sounded like she was defending Mike Vick's actions. She really needs to clarify herself. I mean, the KKK is another big thing down in the "deep south" along with dog fighting... Is it okay if the KKK lynches a few negros Ms. Goldberg? I mean, they grew up in that culture??? Now.. if someone from NEW YORK lynches a negro.. I would have a much different opinion... :rolleyes:

There is no justification for torturing, drowning, electrocuting, and beating dogs to death...

Maybe it just goes to show how much attention is paid to Ms. Goldberg.

I'm surprised nobody started a thread up about this, but then again, Michael Vick IS getting a tad annoying. However, on her first day on the view, Goldberg defended Michael Vick, holding him to different standards than "someone from New York"...

I agree with her on the aspect that different parts of our culture are more acclimated with different acts or traditions... however, Goldberg sounded like she was defending Mike Vick's actions. She really needs to clarify herself. I mean, the KKK is another big thing down in the "deep south" along with dog fighting... Is it okay if the KKK lynches a few negros Ms. Goldberg? I mean, they grew up in that culture??? Now.. if someone from NEW YORK lynches a negro.. I would have a much different opinion... :rolleyes:

There is no justification for torturing, drowning, electrocuting, and beating dogs to death... so if the KKK was to lynch Vick it would be ok ?

I'm surprised nobody started a thread up about this, but then again, Michael Vick IS getting a tad annoying. However, on her first day on the view, Goldberg defended Michael Vick, holding him to different standards than "someone from New York"...

I agree with her on the aspect that different parts of our culture are more acclimated with different acts or traditions... however, Goldberg sounded like she was defending Mike Vick's actions. She really needs to clarify herself. I mean, the KKK is another big thing down in the "deep south" along with dog fighting... Is it okay if the KKK lynches a few negros Ms. Goldberg? I mean, they grew up in that culture??? Now.. if someone from NEW YORK lynches a negro.. I would have a much different opinion... :rolleyes:

There is no justification for torturing, drowning, electrocuting, and beating dogs to death...

I remember starting a thread about what Goldberg said on the View.
Doggone it I can't find it no Mores.
Now I'm bugged.
It was entitled :

The Deep South ...eh ?

Someone need make a complaint to a Mod.I want my money back.
It was a good thread and had Import.It was current,of human
interest and I dint use no " F " words,which was Originally
Whoppi Goldbergs claim to fame.
She had poetic license to use that word,in any Venue,especially
a movie,where other Actors wouldn't,shouldn't couldn't.
Oh yeah,I called her out on bein a JUNKIE.

How many kids here ever got into Pokemon?

What is that except capturing animals, keeping them in a small confined space and then training them to fight each other?

I remember starting a thread about what Goldberg said on the View.
Doggone it I can't find it no Mores.
Now I'm bugged.It wasn't a thread.

It was a post:

http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?p=381356&#post381356 (http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?p=381356&highlight=deep+south#post381356)

How many kids here ever got into Pokemon?

What is that except capturing animals, keeping them in a small confined space and then training them to fight each other?


I dunno.....a video game?

As for Whoopi's comments.... I think I see the point she was trying to make. Different regions of the country to breed different ignorances. That said, I agree with Decka that she needs to clarrify herself and clearly state that because Vick may be a product of his own environment - it does not make his actions justifiable.

How many kids here ever got into Pokemon?

What is that except capturing animals, keeping them in a small confined space and then training them to fight each other?

Pets { Dogs & Cats } are God's Gift to humanity.
There is NO excuse or rationalizing away,the brutal and totally
uncalled for treatment and execution of Fighting dogs.
I thought this kinda mindset was solved around the last turn of
the century by the inimitable Jack London and his
great writings.
Such as - The Call of the Wild - and the short - Law of Club & Fang -.

Pets { Dogs & Cats } are God's Gift to humanity.


Really? Is that scripitual? I am not familiar with the verse. I'm not saying you're wrong, for I am truly not a biblical scholar by any stretch, but I just have never heard that.

What clarifies a "pet"? Does it just have to be the animals that are commonly pets in American culture? I know some people around here that keep baby deer as pets. Do those select deer get marked by God before going back into the wild, and can not be killed because it being a pet?

I dunno.....a video game?

As for Whoopi's comments.... I think I see the point she was trying to make. Different regions of the country to breed different ignorances. That said, I agree with Decka that she needs to clarrify herself and clearly state that because Vick may be a product of his own environment - it does not make his actions justifiable.

As I said in MY THREAD addressing this very thing,Whoopie used
the term - Deep South - as if it was a given.Vick was raised in
Virginia and went to college in that state.
Virginia is miles away from the Deep South.
She was playing on the naif of an audience who bought
hook,line & sinker every bit of Liberal crapola Rosie
blurted out. Goldberg winged-it.Why else would drop such a big
falsity as - Deep South -.Because it fit the template.
She was trying to PORTEND that those in - The Deep South -
Or places like where Katrina Hit,aren't savvy enough or culturally
grown-up to know any better.
Because she went on to say,that she doubted Vick would have treated
dogs the same if from New York City,like her.
But the fascinating thing isn't the reckless juvenile blatherings
of Whoopie,but rather the still silence,the left defers upon their own,
when an apparent faux pas is blurted.

It wasn't a thread.

It was a post:

http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?p=381356&#post381356 (http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?p=381356&highlight=deep+south#post381356)

Well...Hells Bells at that.
Just goes to show I'm human,after all.
I was begin' ta worry.

I dunno.....a video game?

Several video games actually, and a cartoon, and lunch-boxes, and t-shirts, and a movie, and a whole phenomenon in contemporary American culture that exposed a whole generation of kids to the idea that capturing animals, training them to fight and then forcing them to fight one another is O.K. And it is supposedly benign just because it is a fictional representation instead of actual animals. Is it harmless just because it was marketed towards children? I grew up on the slapstick violence of Bugs Bunny, the Batman TV show and the Three Stooges and I appreciate it's campy, humorous nature. But I think that something about Pokemon pushed a societal boundary and I think it says a lot about our society on some level in what ideas we expose our children to.



As for Whoopi's comments.... I think I see the point she was trying to make. Different regions of the country to breed different ignorances.

I agree, and my point is that at the same time, there are prejudices that we Americans share societally, which are heavily influenced by our mass media, which is expert at knowing how to get in our heads and influence us.
Have you ever heard of Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming)? It has proven extremely useful (http://www.nlp-techniques.com/) for the advertising industry in the last 30 years.

That said, I agree with Decka that she needs to clarrify herself and clearly state that because Vick may be a product of his own environment - it does not make his actions justifiable.

I don't think she has to clarify anything. I think any reasonable person assumes that is a given unless she specifically states otherwise.
Did she specifically say she thinks that Vick being a product of his environment justified his actions?

Really? Is that scripitual? I am not familiar with the verse. I'm not saying you're wrong, for I am truly not a biblical scholar by any stretch, but I just have never heard that.

What clarifies a "pet"? Does it just have to be the animals that are commonly pets in American culture? I know some people around here that keep baby deer as pets. Do those select deer get marked by God before going back into the wild, and can not be killed because it being a pet?

Basically just Dogs & Cats.Because they have an innate abilty to
demonstrate unconditional love.
An animal lover surely could include Horses,even birds.
Mice seem to have a unique ability to share emotions with us,also.
Like in - The Green Mile -.
Cruelty to animals is an early sign of anti-social deviancy and
can lead to Sadism which is what Serial Killers prefer.

Several video games actually, and a cartoon, and lunch-boxes, and t-shirts, and a movie, and a whole phenomenon in contemporary American culture that exposed a whole generation of kids to the idea that capturing animals, training them to fight and then forcing them to fight one another is O.K. And it is supposedly benign just because it is a fictional representation instead of actual animals. Is it harmless just because it was marketed towards children? I grew up on the slapstick violence of Bugs Bunny, the Batman TV show and the Three Stooges and I appreciate it's campy, humorous nature. But I think that something about Pokemon pushed a societal boundary and I think it says a lot about our society on some level in what ideas we expose our children to.

Is there a chance that some kid could be influenced by this? Sure. I just do not buy that the game is going to influence a mass cruelty to animals or even a noticable number. Why has their not wide spread examples of children being violent to animals, or making them fight one another? Michael Vick was raised long before games such as Pokemon came out. From what I have personally seen, having lived in the south all my life, is that these people that do things see their dads and their dads's friends doing it - and think to themselves it must be ok and is expected of them. Cockfighting is huge here - and it is maily the same thing. I have a friend that lives deeeeeep in the mountains here - and he will fight you tooth and nail on anything that he has seen his dad do. Hunting without a liscense, fighting roosters, gambling on dog races, driving ATV's under the influence - you name it. Again, I am not saying that theres no chance this game could influence a few kids that are probably all ready susceptible to such behavior, it is just highly more likely that these kids are in fact, a product of their own environment.



I agree, and my point is that at the same time, there are prejudices that we Americans share societally, which are heavily influenced by our mass media, which is expert at knowing how to get in our heads and influence us.
Have you ever heard of Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming)? It has proven extremely useful (http://www.nlp-techniques.com/) for the advertising industry in the last 30 years.

I agree, there are certain things that all Americans see as wrong and undefendable. The problem is, Dharm, that in some cultures within America certain things can be seen by certain people as right and very defendable - which is seen societally as a near abomination. As I have hinted to previously, there are a few sects of people here in Kentucky that out of pure ignorance (and being raised in a certain manner) see things like Cockfighting and Dog Fighting to be simply part of the norm.

Let me just say that I, luckily, am not one of those people.




I don't think she has to clarify anything. I think any reasonable person assumes that is a given unless she specifically states otherwise.
Did she specifically say she thinks that Vick being a product of his environment justified his actions?

You could be right. Then again, we live in a society today where Rosie couldn't get by with saying something about a New York City billionaire. It is very easy for the media and a majority of Americans to very easily take things out of context and then run with those misinterpretations.

Basically just Dogs & Cats.Because they have an innate abilty to
demonstrate unconditional love.
An animal lover surely could include Horses,even birds.
Mice seem to have a unique ability to share emotions with us,also.
Like in - The Green Mile -.
Cruelty to animals is an early sign of anti-social deviancy and
can lead to Sadism which is what Serial Killers prefer.


Ok...but is there scriptiual evidence? You stated that these animals are "gods gift to humanity" and therefore the mistreating of them is different than the mistreating of other animals.

Oh, and when I said "scriptual", I meant from the bible, not a Steven King book.

Pets { Dogs & Cats } are God's Gift to humanity.
There is NO excuse or rationalizing away,the brutal and totally
uncalled for treatment and execution of Fighting dogs.

I agree.



I thought this kinda mindset was solved around the last turn of
the century by the inimitable Jack London and his
great writings.
Such as - The Call of the Wild - and the short - Law of Club & Fang -.

Unfortunately great art, like those stories, do not solve the problems faced by society by themselves. They only reflect the times and the society in which they are created. They do not solve anything through their mere existence, but rather they inspire those people who appreciate the art into action.

Ok...but is there scriptiual evidence? You stated that these animals are "gods gift to humanity" and therefore the mistreating of them is different than the mistreating of other animals.

Oh, and when I said "scriptual", I meant from the bible, not a Steven King book.

There is always a Law of higher calling.
Therefore the universal Maritime rule :
Women & Children FIRST. { Remember Titanic ? }
Also Women should not serve on the front line in Battle.
Children are exempt from Capital Punishment.
The Handicapped { Retardation } aren't held to the same
standard as normal people.

Same in the Animal Kingdom.
God may have put animals on Earth for a food source.
But Cows have little in the way of brains and Dogs & Cats
are capable of very intelligently interacting with humans.
I'll have to go back and read my Darwin on food chain and
- Survival of the Fittest -.
If yer lookin for a steadfast rule on Pets,i doubt there is one,
besides the entirety of humanity and the Gazillions of hours us
Humans have enjoyed the company of Pets.
Like I said, - Call of the Wild - was supposed to be standard
reading in our schools.Even - Animal Farm -.
I guess Whoopie,was too busy Worryin about findin a nice clean
needle for her next Horse {heroin } plunge,as a teen.

I agree.




Unfortunately great art, like those stories, do not solve the problems faced by society by themselves. They only reflect the times and the society in which they are created. They do not solve anything through their mere existence, but rather they inspire those people who appreciate the art into action.

Oh,is that how Civilized society progresses.?
Then we're just one step backward from actin like Huns,again.?
Slavery could well rear it's head again.
Auschwitz isn't totally over with,also.
As a Society,we could also Deconstruct back into the hygiene
of yore.Go barefoot.Drink untreated water.Not have safe
methods for preserving food,like Milk or meats.
No more Pasteurazation.
Where do you drum up such drivel.
Oh...BTW...Yes,it was scientifically PROVEN that

Dungeons & Dragons

did assuredly have a negative impact on one's ability to normally
conduct social norms.

Like in - The Green Mile -.Hmm ... dont you mean - The Green Mile - {1999}?

Pets { Dogs & Cats } are God's Gift to humanity.
There is NO excuse or rationalizing away,the brutal and totally
uncalled for treatment and execution of Fighting dogs.
I thought this kinda mindset was solved around the last turn of
the century by the inimitable Jack London and his
great writings.
Such as - The Call of the Wild - and the short - Law of Club & Fang -.

What we call pets other societies call food. We would never think of eating a dog or a cat, or a horse or monkey but people in many societies think of them as food animals. I doubt if there is any non-poisonous animal that is not used as food somewhere.

Hmm ... dont you mean - The Green Mile - {1999}?

OK,so's I got a widdle lazy and furgit the year.
What was the name of dat widdle mouse,Mr.big shot,know-it-all.?
The mouse' name was Mister ******* ?

Oh,is that how Civilized society progresses.?

Yes. It is.


Then we're just one step backward from actin like Huns,again.?

Yes, we are. Anyone who experienced hurricane Katrina or the great blackout of 2003 knows how close mankind is, despite our fancy technologies and electroinic gizmos, to reverting to "actin like the Huns,again."



Where do you drum up such drivel.

A lifetime of experiences and an education.

Where do you get your drivel?

:thumbs:
DB

What I find amazing about this whole sordid tale is the different way that this society has of looking at things;

Ten thousand men can troop into the woods every year with high powered rifles, kill 10,000 deer, cut their heads off and mount them on their walls......and they are regarded as "mighty hunters". "Manly men". Hero archetypes.

Let the same society find out that a few dogs have been killed --for the reason of insuring the utmost ferocity of the fighting dogs that are bred for such-- and society is aghast. An NFL player involved in such barbarity is a horrible person. He must be banned from football.

One animal --a dog-- that is drowned is no more nor no less dead than another animal --a deer-- that has a huge hole blown through his lungs, bleeds to death, is strapped to the hood of a car and hauled into town amid fanfare and hallelujahs, has his head cut off and stuffed and hung on a wall to be admired.

I am not defending dog fighting. I do not like it, I do not support it, would not watch it, and wish it was not practiced.

I'm just pointing out the incongruity of the way different "sports" are perceived.

deer are evil and must be eliminated!

plus they make damn good sausage:thumbs:

What I find amazing about this whole sordid tale is the different way that this society has of looking at things;

Ten thousand men can troop into the woods every year with high powered rifles, kill 10,000 deer, cut their heads off and mount them on their walls......and they are regarded as "mighty hunters". "Manly men". Hero archetypes.

Let the same society find out that a few dogs have been killed --for the reason of insuring the utmost ferocity of the fighting dogs that are bred for such-- and society is aghast. An NFL player involved in such barbarity is a horrible person. He must be banned from football.

One animal --a dog-- that is drowned is no more nor no less dead than another animal --a deer-- that has a huge hole blown through his lungs, bleeds to death, is strapped to the hood of a car and hauled into town amid fanfare and hallelujahs, has his head cut off and stuffed and hung on a wall to be admired.

I am not defending dog fighting. I do not like it, I do not support it, would not watch it, and wish it was not practiced.

I'm just pointing out the incongruity of the way different "sports" are perceived.

A first rule of any HUnter,is to NEVER fire yer weapon at an animal
unless you intend to eat or mount it.
If there weren't a Deer Season,the deer would overpopulate and
eat Farmers raw.Plus there would be deer spreading disease and
runnin rampant.There are enught Deer that jump out in front of
vehicles.
What else ya got...Bub ?

She really needs to clarify herself. I mean, the KKK is another big thing down in the "deep south" along with dog fighting... Is it okay if the KKK lynches a few negros Ms. Goldberg? I mean, they grew up in that culture??? Now.. if someone from NEW YORK lynches a negro.. I would have a much different opinion... :rolleyes:

There is no justification for torturing, drowning, electrocuting, and beating dogs to death...


Are we really that naive to think that Whoopi Goldberg is saying the KKK is A-Ok with her since its tradition? That kind of thought process must make you a very tired person.

I personally do not care that Michael Vick was setting up dog fights, killing dogs, drowning them, whatever. To me its one of those weird fine lines between killing animals or just hunting. Or a homophobic couple that likes to participate in dominatrix style group anal sex.

:thumbs:

Anyway, I don't care that he's killing the dogs, but it definitely takes a real creep to do what he has done.

And Whoopi didn't say anything crazy. I think she was just pointing out they use dogs in that area rather than chickens.

Several video games actually, and a cartoon, and lunch-boxes, and t-shirts, and a movie, and a whole phenomenon in contemporary American culture that exposed a whole generation of kids to the idea that capturing animals, training them to fight and then forcing them to fight one another is O.K. And it is supposedly benign just because it is a fictional representation instead of actual animals. Is it harmless just because it was marketed towards children? I grew up on the slapstick violence of Bugs Bunny, the Batman TV show and the Three Stooges and I appreciate it's campy, humorous nature. But I think that something about Pokemon pushed a societal boundary and I think it says a lot about our society on some level in what ideas we expose our children to.

Yes, I mean look at today's youth culture. Dog fighting and other forms of animal cruelty are so prevalent! Darn that pokemon!

The old argument that violent video games (pokemon isn't even violent but whatever) desensitizes kids has no basis in reality.

Are we really that naive to think that Whoopi Goldberg is saying the KKK is A-Ok with her since its tradition? That kind of thought process must make you a very tired person.

I personally do not care that Michael Vick was setting up dog fights, killing dogs, drowning them, whatever. To me its one of those weird fine lines between killing animals or just hunting. Or a homophobic couple that likes to participate in dominatrix style group anal sex.

:thumbs:

Anyway, I don't care that he's killing the dogs, but it definitely takes a real creep to do what he has done.

And Whoopi didn't say anything crazy. I think she was just pointing out they use dogs in that area rather than chickens. :lolhit: OK

... Ten thousand men can troop into the woods every year with high powered rifles, kill 10,000 deer ...

Killing 10K deer annually is probably not enough given the huge population of the critters. The fact that many auto insurance companies do not penalize a policy holder with an accident for hitting one demonstrates that rather clearly, IMO. Until such time that a proven alternative in reducing the deer population is introduced, the mighty hunters will continue their annual outings.
I'm not a hunter, never have been. Don't really see anything wrong with it, however it's just not my cup of tea.

A question for Mr. Cooper.


Can I please have a share of that money, DB? Is it okay if I call you DB or do you prefer Dan? I am really impressed by how you pulled off that heist.

A question for Mr. Cooper.


Can I please have a share of that money, DB? Is it okay if I call you DB or do you prefer Dan? I am really impressed by how you pulled off that heist.


Well I'm Impressed as well.
So Impressed by that mr.Cooper Creep,that he has earned me scorn.
He's now on Personal Ban.
I just knew he was an antisocial,misfit,Creepzoid.
These things are readily identifiable.
It's all in one's posts.
Ya can't hide yer heart,or lack thereof on a message board
forever.Eventually the green slime slinkers out.

Until such time that a proven alternative in reducing the deer population is introduced, the mighty hunters will continue their annual outings.
......Don't really see anything wrong with it,

I don't either. My post was not a protest against deer hunting.........I was just making a point about how differently certain "sports" --and the killing of animals that occurs within some of those sports-- are perceived.

Well I'm Impressed as well.
So Impressed by that mr.Cooper Creep,that he has earned me scorn.
He's now on Personal Ban.
I just knew he was an antisocial,misfit,Creepzoid.
These things are readily identifiable.
It's all in one's posts.
Ya can't hide yer heart,or lack thereof on a message board
forever.Eventually the green slime slinkers out.


Rrriiiggghhhttt.