http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070905/ap_on_re_eu/germany_terror

By DAVID McHUGH, Associated Press Writer

BERLIN - Three militants from an Islamic group linked to al-Qaida were planning "massive" bomb attacks against Americans in Germany when an elite antiterrorist unit raided their small-town hideout after months of police surveillance, officials said Wednesday.

Prosecutors said the suspects — two German converts and a Turkish citizen sharing a "profound hatred of U.S. citizens" — had military-style detonators and enough material to make bombs more powerful than those that killed 191 people in Madrid in 2004 and 52 commuters in London two years ago....


Not really too much to say other than the fact I'm glad these people are out there hunting down these guys. There is so much that goes on that we don't ever even hear about.

There is so much that goes on that we don't ever even hear about either.

Exactly why I hate to hear people slamming the U.S. Govt. AS IF they know every little thing that goes on behind closed doors.

I'm glad those people are out there watching too, Phyrex. No telling how many innocent lives were saved by their arrest.

:)
SMW

Well done the German Police,if the said US Government done more anti terrorist surveillance,and less 'rounding up' of suspects,they might win more respect around the planet.
These 3 will hopefully feel the effects of the German Justice System, and never get a free ride to Cuba.

Well done the German Police,if the said US Government done more anti terrorist surveillance,and less 'rounding up' of suspects,they might win more respect around the planet.
Does the US' "rounding up" preclude the rest of the world from engaging in their surveillance?

The rest of the world does a damn sight better job of dealing with these extremeists than the US does, thats for sure.

There is so much that goes on that we don't ever even hear about either.

Exactly why I hate to hear people slamming the U.S. Govt. AS IF they know every little thing that goes on behind closed doors.

I'm glad those people are out there watching too, Phyrex. No telling how many innocent lives were saved by their arrest.

:)
SMW
The US government isn't capable of capturing terrorists. Just people that look like terrorists.

So everyones a suspect then.

The rest of the world does a damn sight better job of dealing with these extremeists than the US does, thats for sure.
Jeez, no kidding. When was the last time we got a news report about some Americans getting some terrorists? All we ever hear about is how Gitmo detainees are getting released for lack of evidence.

So everyones a suspect then.
Sheeeit, it's been that way since the war on drugs. Ain't nothing changed.

My dad got back for a week from Iraq. He's been there since January. We didn't talk much about the actual conflict, but he did say that our dudes over there don't fuck around, on convoy missions. They see anything moving funny, they shoot it. No warning shots, nothing. I imagine it's much the same when they're doing patrols.

Well I can understand anyone being there wanting to get back in one piece,dosent really do much for 'winning over' the Iraqi people tho.

Oh that's something I can definitely understand. I'd hate to have my dad killed by some fucker with a death wish.

What I don't understand is why the fuck we need to still be there. I've yet to hear a decent reason from anybody that both holds water and amounts to more than, "well, we can't just cut and run!"

Understood.Tho I cant understand why your guys were ever there in the first place,hope your old man stays safe.

I would agree, but I don't want the FBI showing up at my door. Instead I'll just call you an unAmerican jack-ass, and tell you to where to park it if you don't support the right of Americans to invade anybody, anywhere, so long as we can get some dipshit on the telly screaming at the top of his lungs how much of a grave threat they are to national security, harboring nukes and terrorists and the whole nine.

Nice to know the Poleizi continue to be on their toes looking for these animals. Interesting that there's so little public condemnation of a police force in a nation that doesn't even have a term for police brutality.

Why do you think there would be a public outcry about arresting bomb plotters.

Oh that's something I can definitely understand. I'd hate to have my dad killed by some fucker with a death wish.

What I don't understand is why the fuck we need to still be there. I've yet to hear a decent reason from anybody that both holds water and amounts to more than, "well, we can't just cut and run!"

Yeah, I agree completely - and I dearly hope your dad does not get hurt and comes home in one piece. :thumbs:

The rest of the world does a damn sight better job of dealing with these extremeists than the US does, thats for sure.
Sure - they've undoubtedly taken out more than we have. I'll buy that argument for a dollar. :rolleyes:

Maybe being better at "dealing with" extremists entails catching 3 of 'em in 6 whole years. Color me impressed with a resounding wow!

Fuck you.

Why do you think there would be a public outcry about arresting bomb plotters.
there is in this country..."my son never would have done that"..."the wire tap was improper" "they were just joking":rolleyes:

major plots were foiled in Buffalo, Miami, and Ft. Dix without the FBI waiting until they had detonators to make arrests...better job, my keister:rolleyes:

The Brits have caught a whole bunch of bombers,so has Denmark,Germany,Italy maybe France,whats the problem here.

Donuts. Krispy Kreme has crippled our security efforts.

The Brits have caught a whole bunch of bombers,so has Denmark,Germany,Italy maybe France,whats the problem here.
they waited until well after they have everything to do it....one missed phone call, and there's a bomb on it way.

(and they've missed quite a few too, but nobody's perfect)

They call that building a case and catching everyone red handed in Europe.

They call that building a case and catching everyone red handed in Europe.
ask the victims of July 7th if that was worth it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4859464.stm

The London bombers werent under survelliance before they attacked,so theres no comparison,also the Brits have the problem of homegrown bombers,a problem America will have to increasingly face.

....if the said US Government done more anti terrorist surveillance,and less 'rounding up' of suspects,they might win more respect around the planet.

The rest of the world does a damn sight better job of dealing with these extremeists than the US does, thats for sure.

The Brits have caught a whole bunch of bombers,so has Denmark,Germany,Italy maybe France,whats the problem here.

They call that building a case and catching everyone red handed in Europe.

"In April, investigators say, U.S. agents intercepted a communication in which handlers urged Gelowicz to accelerate plans.

Police and prosecutors decided that they were facing an urgent threat. The U.S. Embassy in Berlin issued a terrorism warning to its citizens in Germany. Surveillance intensified as police realized that....."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-plot8sep08,0,7142618.story?page=2&track=ntothtml&coll=la-tot-world

Danke Shein U.S.
You're welcome Germany.


Any other theories Paulc???

Nah Brooks same theory and same conclusion,tho heres something that you can maybe help me with.How can the US listen in on a fone call in Germany?

The London bombers werent under survelliance before they attacked,so theres no comparison,also the Brits have the problem of homegrown bombers,a problem America will have to increasingly face.
not as a group..
MI5 officers assigned to investigate the lead bomber in the 7 July attacks were diverted to another anti-terrorist operation

Nah Brooks same theory and same conclusion,tho heres something that you can maybe help me with.How can the US listen in on a fone call in Germany?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

and our much maligned habit of tapping international calls to and from terror suspects:cool:

Nah Brooks same theory and same conclusion,tho heres something that you can maybe help me with.How can the US listen in on a fone call in Germany?I have no idea. But what are you saying, that the US didn't give the information to German authorities?
It's all made up?

Brooks dont try putting words in my mouth.The US informed the German authorities about these people,thats good.
Tho like I said,how can the US listen in on a German fone line without authority from Berlin?

Brooks dont try putting words in my mouth.The US informed the German authorities about these people,thats good.
Tho like I said,how can the US listen in on a German fone line without authority from Berlin?And as I said, I have no idea.

You said the US doesn't engage in enough surveillance, that Europe is better at that.
And how the rest of the world does a better job than the US.
And how Europe catches them red handed.

Turns out their initial tip came from the poorly surveilling US.

Funny that.

And as I said, I have no idea.

You said the US doesn't engage in enough surveillance, that Europe is better at that.
And how the rest of the world does a better job than the US.
And how Europe catches them red handed.

Turns out their initial tip came from the poorly surveilling US.

Funny that.
Well,lets see,granted you managed to pull one out about the US tipping off a EU country about terrorists,fair enough,even if it may have been gathered by breeching Germanys internal fone service with German knowledge.

Well,lets see,granted you managed to pull one out about the US tipping off a EU country about terrorists,fair enough,even if it may have been gathered by breeching Germanys internal fone service with German knowledge.
Greeeeeat. So on top of being poor at surveying the terrorist scene in general, we're now "taping" German phones without their knowledge or consent.

Well, I gotta hand it to you, Paul - we're gonna be the bad guys here one way or another, aren't we?

And you wonder why Americans hate the fuckin' Europeans....

How sad. And the worst part is, we share bloodlines.

Well Im sorry you say that Prae,I dont think I'll ever hate you are anyone else who posts here.
As for sharing bloodlines,like Ive said before,most Irish Americans share very little with they're ancestors other than blood.An example being,the people whom drove the Irish to starvation,slavery or exile,in America and other countrys are now Americas best military allies.

ask the victims of July 7th if that was worth it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4859464.stm
911

Well Im sorry you say that Prae,I dont think I'll ever hate you are anyone else who posts here.
As for sharing bloodlines,like Ive said before,most Irish Americans share very little with they're ancestors other than blood.An example being,the people whom drove the Irish to starvation,slavery or exile,in America and other countrys are now Americas best military allies.
I didn't say that I hate YOU specifically (because I don't) - I said, "and you wonder why Americans hate the Europeans" given that we can't win for losing overseas. I mean, you DID throw forth a blanket indictment with your little 'phone tapping' quip. But hell, prior to that you were simply contented railing on our efficacy in fighting this war, and when that plan went south - you resorted to thumbing your nose at us while impugning our ethics (based on a position of defense for the German people, because, you know – we simply must be spying on them too; or at least, that was your implication). That said, how do you expect us to feel? It was a horribly offensive thing to say. In the face of being flat-out wrong, you'd rather stick to your guns and insult us anyway. If you call that trying to make friends here, then you need to sign up for tact 101.

You guys should sit back and look at the big bad world from other peoples eyes.
Firstly I did suggest that Europe is better at anti terrorism than the USA,that is my opinion,after which Brooks posted an article showing that US Intel had told the Germans what was going on,fair enough,on that one item yes the US did tip off the Germans,tho it was achieved by listening in on a German fone call,as Ive said above,if the Germans didnt know anything how could the US tap a German fone call?
This is a good example of the US ignoringand abusing another countrys laws and internal affairs,but at the same time expecting and demanding support from these other countrys.If it came to lite that the Germans were listening in on fone calls within the US without US Gov knowledge,there would be hell to pay,whats the difference.

You guys should sit back and look at the big bad world from other peoples eyes.
To be completely honest, I wish we were afforded that option. Unfortunately, we have to pay 20-25% of the world's tab. Americans are responsible for 1/5th of every dollar generated worldwide in sales. If our biggest concern were manufacturing claddagh rings and wool sweaters, then I'd relish the opportunity to thumb my nose at the notorious big bully while I armchair quarterback this war with absolute conviction in my "moral" and "tactical" superiority to the American Government.

Come to think of it, that'd be awesome. AND completely stupid, but I digress.
Firstly I did suggest that Europe is better at anti terrorism than the USA,that is my opinion,after which Brooks posted an article showing that US Intel had told the Germans what was going on,fair enough,on that one item yes the US did tip off the Germans,tho it was achieved by listening in on a German fone call.....
That's JUST my point - it's no longer an issue of the good guys catching the bad guys here; it's an issue of the "bad guys" invading the privacy of the German people. I think they should be kissing our hairy bean sacks in gratitude. Obviously, the Germans don't have a problem being tipped off, and neither should you.
as Ive said above,if the Germans didnt know anything how could the US tap a German fone call?
Did you ever stop to think that the call being "tapped" originated in the Middle East and was traced to Germany?
This is a good example of the US ignoringand abusing another countrys laws and internal affairs.....
Or it's a good example of you jumping to conclusions. Take your pick.
If it came to lite that the Germans were listening in on fone calls within the US without US Gov knowledge,there would be hell to pay,whats the difference.
They're not saving our asses - that's the difference.

To be completely honest, I wish we were afforded that option. Unfortunately, we have to pay 20-25% of the world's tab. Americans are responsible for 1/5th of every dollar generated worldwide in sales. If our biggest concern were manufacturing claddagh rings and wool sweaters, then I'd relish the opportunity to thumb my nose at the notorious big bully while I armchair quarterback this war with absolute conviction in my "moral" and "tactical" superiority to the American Government.Well firstly,I think it would be insulting to rise to the 'claddagh rings and woolen sweaters' thing,by the way they're called Arran Jumpers,no matter.
Secondly,it isnt too difficult to see that first,this war in Iraq is immoral from day one,and that the US cannot deliver a military victory to a political situation.

That's JUST my point - it's no longer an issue of the good guys catching the bad guys here; it's an issue of the "bad guys" invading the privacy of the German people. I think they should be kissing our hairy bean sacks in gratitude. Obviously, the Germans don't have a problem being tipped off, and neither should you.I dont have a problem with the Germans being tipped off,I was pointing out that the US Gov does what it wants fuck everyone else.

Did you ever stop to think that the call being "tapped" originated in the Middle East and was traced to Germany?Yes I did,but if you can convince me that the US left it at one call and didnt evesdrop into German fone lines I'll eat this laptop.

I'll eat this laptop.
What kind is it?

One of those American jobbies.
Hewlett Packard Notebook.
Dont say I didnt do my part for the US economy.

One of those American jobbies.
Hewlett Packard Notebook.
Dont say I didnt do my part for the US economy.
Just my point. Please do, we'll make more. Don't forget to load it up with Microsoft products (shitty as they are).

Humor aside, your last line in post 40 is what pisses me off. Here we have a situation where just because Americans were involved in the second or third biggest raid as of yet, you're suspect that German privacy is at stake (like that's the big concern here :rolleyes: ). What the fuck do we care about what those sausage-devouring, beer-swelling ex-Nazis do in their private time? I mean, trust me - we draw the line after seeing them film shiza vids and worship David Hasselhoff. The only think we care about is a fresh lot of BMW's and Porsches for the '08 model year.

Just my point. Please do, we'll make more. Don't forget to load it up with Microsoft products (shitty as they are).

Humor aside, your last line in post 40 is what pisses me off. Here we have a situation where just because Americans were involved in the second or third biggest raid as of yet, you're suspect that German privacy is at stake (like that's the big concern here :rolleyes: ). What the fuck do we care about what those sausage-devouring, beer-swelling ex-Nazis do in their private time? I mean, trust me - we draw the line after seeing them film shiza vids and worship David Hasselhoff. The only think we care about is a fresh lot of BMW's and Porsches for the '08 model year.Thats ok.Theres nobody gonna fall out over catching some extremeists plotting to attack US targets in Europe,tho going way back to my original remark,European countrys are much more experienced at anti terrorism than America,you guys are playing catchup,tho yous are learning fast.
German beer is pretty good,very strong,but good.Thought about buying a B-mer couple of weeks ago,but I checked out the price of parts and said fuck it.
Id like a Porsch for my birthday,but bank security has improved here in the last few years.
Ah well,back to those damn euroweenies.

Thats ok.Theres nobody gonna fall out over catching some extremeists plotting to attack US targets in Europe,tho going way back to my original remark,European countrys are much more experienced at anti terrorism than America,you guys are playing catchup,tho yous are learning fast.
Well, I suppose you've had to deal with more terrorism than we have - I'll give you that. I guess we're just good at crushing other countries in their entirety.
German beer is pretty good,very strong,but good.
It's the best in the world, but that's JMO.
Thought about buying a B-mer couple of weeks ago,but I checked out the price of parts and said fuck it.
Id like a Porsch for my birthday.....
Have you checked out the price THEY charge for parts? Oy Vey - they want your first-born. Like 4 grand for differentials, 10 to 12 for a transmission, and upwards of 2 thousand for a freaking water pump. NEVER (and I repeat, NEVER) own a German car out of warrantee.

Speaking of which, I used to drive a Bimmer - I had an '04, 5-speed 330 Ci, and I loved that car, but when I lost my license, I didn't really fancy making a 650 dollar a month car payment. I lost my ass on that fucker.

Well, I suppose you've had to deal with more terrorism than we have - I'll give you that. I guess we're just good at crushing other countries in their entirety.Yeah you guys dont do things in half measures,thats for sure.

It's the best in the world, but that's JMO.Just too strong.When I was living in London they didnt sell any decent beer,just English,Aussie and Dutch dishwater,then I discovered Lowenbrau,after a few of em you can talk German with an accent.

Have you checked out the price THEY charge for parts? Oy Vey - they want your first-born. Like 4 grand for differentials, 10 to 12 for a transmission, and upwards of 2 thousand for a freaking water pump. NEVER (and I repeat, NEVER) own a German car out of warrantee.
Well my idea of a BMW wouldnt go to models up the years,the tax man would just sieze it,Im into 98-99-00 models.

Speaking of which, I used to drive a Bimmer - I had an '04, 5-speed 330 Ci, and I loved that car, but when I lost my license, I didn't really fancy making a 650 dollar a month car payment. I lost my ass on that fucker.Goes with the ego.
http://thecarconnection.com/Enthusiasts/Spy_Shots/Spy_Shots_08_BMW_X6.S178.A8788.html

As for sharing bloodlines,like Ive said before,most Irish Americans share very little with they're ancestors other than blood.An example being,the people whom drove the Irish to starvation,slavery or exile,in America and other countrys are now Americas best military allies.A better example is where sympathies lied in WWII.

Well my idea of a BMW wouldnt go to models up the years,the tax man would just sieze it,Im into 98-99-00 models.
What are you talking about - you make more money than I do, and if I'm not mistaken, you don't even pay your taxes. ;)

That said, don't worry - you're not alone; our 'unionite' laborers don't pay their taxes here either.
Goes with the ego.
What!?!? What ego?

A better example is where sympathies lied in WWII.
OUCH!

Yes I did,but if you can convince me that the US left it at one call and didnt evesdrop into German fone lines I'll eat this laptop.Paul, you are making Prae's point.
Terrorists were stopped before they could kill, and look who you are complaining about in this thread.

This is unbelievable.

A better example is where sympathies lied in WWII.
Meaning

Paul, you are making Prae's point.
Terrorists were stopped before they could kill, and look who you are complaining about in this thread.

This is unbelievable.
Whats unbelievable?
Up above there I said to Prae that you had posted that the US tipped off the Germans,fair enough.
I then said I wondered how the US could have listened in on a German fone line,whats wrong with that.

What are you talking about - you make more money than I do, and if I'm not mistaken, you don't even pay your taxes. ;)

That said, don't worry - you're not alone; our 'unionite' laborers don't pay their taxes here either.

What!?!? What ego?
Maybe I make more than you I dont know (cant remember).
I do pay tax,its just that I always forget to mention all my earnings,a common problem dont you think..

Lets see,an 08 BMW or Porsche,kinda flashy.

Lets see,an 08 BMW or Porsche,kinda flashy.
Correction: kinda awesome, actually. Especially a white 997 GT3. ::drools::

Although, I have to admit - 115 thousand for a car is a bit outta my price range. :)