a spouse to punch out a stranger who gropes his/her wife/husband?

Edit: The last word should read "wife/husband" rather than "husband."

I vote yes.

I vote no. I don't think it is ever okay to just "punch someone out".

I disagree, Sal.
It is an insult to do this kind of thing, in full view of the partner, and an even greater insult to the person being groped.

Unfortunately, violence is the only thing some louts understand. A good swift kick in the butt in front of others just might learn the lout a lesson or 2.

I would sincerely hope my own hubby Bubba would do such a thing. I would not consider him a man nor a husband otherwise. Not that it's ever happened---Bubba is 6-5. No one is that dumb.

If you mean "okay" in the sense of I'm not going to think lower of the person who did it, then yes. But if you mean "okay" in the sense that the law should ignore it and let it happen then absolutely not.

If you mean "okay" in the sense of I'm not going to think lower of the person who did it, then yes. But if you mean "okay" in the sense that the law should ignore it and let it happen then absolutely not.

By "okay," I mean "morally acceptable," regardless of what the law says.

Someone gropes my girlfriend there are going to be problems. I probably woulnd't punch the guy, but I'd have some choice words.

Is it okay to have a horribly mangled question in the name of political correctness?

No. The question should read, "Is it okay for a married person to punch out a stranger who gropes his spouse?"

(I voted B.)

Is it okay to have a horribly mangled question in the name of political correctness?

No. The question should read, "Is it okay for a married person to punch out a stranger who gropes his spouse?"

(I voted B.)

Shouldn't that be his or her spouse, Borg. You are assuming the spouse being groped is the wife. Jeesh! What a sexist pig you are.:lolhit:

I have twice punched out someone because of my wife.

The first time I was following my wife home in my car after she had gone to get the brakes on her car repaired. Some guy in a convertible kept driving his car right up her tailpipe. When we stopped at a light I politely went over to his car and asked him to stop tailgating my wife's car. He laughed and gave me the finger and I beat the crap out of him.

The other time was when my wife and I were in a buffet line and a man kept making rude gestures directed toward her, like he was going to grab her butt. I didn't beat the crap out of him but I did give him one punch to the face.


Mess with any member of my family and either you or I are going to be dog meat.

Yeah, I definitely agree with the face punching. I think it's important to learn how to protect whats important to you because people are assholes.

I disagree, Sal.
It is an insult to do this kind of thing, in full view of the partner, and an even greater insult to the person being groped.

Unfortunately, violence is the only thing some louts understand. A good swift kick in the butt in front of others just might learn the lout a lesson or 2.

I would sincerely hope my own hubby Bubba would do such a thing. I would not consider him a man nor a husband otherwise. Not that it's ever happened---Bubba is 6-5. No one is that dumb.
It is an insult but I would prefer to handle it myself thank you very much. I don't need him to jump into the fray and end up going to jail because some asshole copped a feel.

He is only 5'8" and will take on anything. He uses his head first though, thank God.

I would not be impressed if any guy I was with used his fists before his head. That kind of caveman attitude can lead to serious trouble for all involved.

Mess with any member of my family and either you or I are going to be dog meat.

This is one area where we are in total agreement, Frogger.

It is an insult but I would prefer to handle it myself thank you very much. I don't need him to jump into the fray and end up going to jail because some asshole copped a feel.

He is only 5'8" and will take on anything. He uses his head first though, thank God.

I would not be impressed if any guy I was with used his fists before his head. That kind of caveman attitude can lead to serious trouble for all involved.


LOL, maybe I just go for mean, caveman type guys.

PS Serious trouble?
For landing a few punches on a lout?
You have got to be kidding. I said hit the guy, not kill the turd.
Besides, if ya do it right, no one goes to jail. Besides, shouldn't be a crime anyway. Pestering ladies--now THAT'S a crime.

Is it okay to have a horribly mangled question in the name of political correctness?


I'm sorry if I offended you by trying to phrase it in such a way that the ladies felt welcome to share their opinions on the topic.

Edit: You replaced "spouse" with "married person" and "husband/wife" with "spouse." Ingenious.

I straight-punched a guy who was goin after my sister. That shit's not cool.

LOL, maybe I just go for mean, caveman type guys.

PS Serious trouble?
For landing a few punches on a lout?
You have got to be kidding. I said hit the guy, not kill the turd.
Besides, if ya do it right, no one goes to jail. Besides, shouldn't be a crime anyway. Pestering ladies--now THAT'S a crime.
LOL okay, cave girl.. :D

I just do not like the whole get physical thing. I can also take care of myself. If someone is even driving erratically and dangerously my guy thinks nothing of rolling down his window and informing said driver when we get to the light. When I tell him the driver may get ticked and get out of his car he always says fine bring it on. I have only ever known him to go after a guy once. He was out running and some 17 year old started throwing stones at him to entertain his buds that were with him. He went after the kid who was a whole lot bigger than him. The kids backed down fast. But I still don`t like it and I like this situation even less.

And I would think one could be charged with assault. Also what were the circumstances. The poll is skewed to get the answer Jester is desiring.

I don`t buy it.


Also sorry for no question marks or quotations. My key board sometimes switches when on here... I start getting things like this.... `` `É instead of my regular letters. Don`t know why...

By "okay," I mean "morally acceptable," regardless of what the law says.
Well all right. I think it's acceptable. I would not want to be in (even visiting) a country where this is not punishable by law, for me own protection. But obviously we are only talking about whether you would think this is "wrong", and I don't think it is. Same thing for punching people for a variety of other reasons. And again, I would not want to be in a country where such things are not punishable.

I voted yes. Some things are just settled better that way, and I don't personally find anything morally unacceptable about it. I haven't had to do it myself, but if someone were to ever grope my girl he'd better be ready to get a fist in his mouth.

I said that I probably woulnd't punch the guy, but I'd have some choice words. I did vote for A however, seeing as the situation would dictate my response. My girlfriend is a pretty firery woman, I'm pretty sure she'd slap the guy before I even had a chance to do anything anyways, lol.

I voted yes, and I'm sure my boyfriend would agree.

I agree with Dio here though, it's morally acceptable but shouldn't be accepted by the law.

Sal, I wish I could think like you, but I guess I'm stuck back in the stone age with Rendova. :D

"Punching out" is so 1980. Since one never knows who's carrying a gun and who ain't, great thought should be given before punches are thrown these days.

Ren... my guy is 6'5" too. Sure, it keeps people from trying to fight with him, but like I told him, "You're too big to beat up, dear... they'll just shoot you!"

;)
SMW <--- peaceable loving person

P.S. I'd grope back.

I think most of us ladies' first reaction would be to hit, slap, or punch back. Sometimes tho, that's just not feasible. It depends on the social situation...say you're at the opera...... hitting someone and knocking them to the floor is just not done, if you still want to be accepted into the Social Register. You might be able to get away with a kick, a trip, or a gouge..... Or what if someone acts the turd at a PTA meeting?

There's all sorts of situations to think about.

I've never hit a guy, except for the time I smashed my ex over the head with a phone, but that's another story. i HAVE poured beer over a guy's head who was pestering me. It was a waste of a beer but his spluttering look of surprise was worth it.

"Punching out" is so 1980. Since one never knows who's carrying a gun and who ain't, great thought should be given before punches are thrown these days.



.

True, true...and it's a shame, I mght add!

I think most of us ladies' first reaction would be to hit, slap, or punch back. Sometimes tho, that's just not feasible. It depends on the social situation...say you're at the opera...... hitting someone and knocking them to the floor is just not done, if you still want to be accepted into the Social Register.

Exactly right. Like I am gonna wait for some guy to save my ass like I am some delicate little flower. No f'ing way, touch me fuckwad and I am gonna touch you back and it will be memorable. AND if the situation is a delicate one, I am going to touch him in a delicate way, it's just there'll be some pressure exerted.

Sal, I wish I could think like you, but I guess I'm stuck back in the stone age with Rendova.

You're young, you'll learn. I worked for the Liquor Control Board here in Canada for a number of years. There were a lot of old vets working there in those days, good guys but a little stone age. I was young. One of them, grabbed me and threw me up against the wall and grabbed my crotch. We had words. I never reported him because I knew after we were through that it would never happen again, and it didn't. I could tell you it was a bad traumatic experience except that it wasn't. It was a learning experience and I have never forgotten it nor been afraid a man would touch me inappropriately again. They chose their victims carefully.

Where's "Invite him back to fuck your girlfriend while you watch?"

Blob! What's up dude?

The question should read, "Is it okay for a married person to punch out a stranger who gropes his spouse?"No, if a stranger gropes his spouse it's none of my business.

/tumbleweed

Blob! What's up dude?Hi there Napster! Good to see you still around.

Likewise. How's the tenure battle going?

Where's "Invite him back to fuck your girlfriend while you watch?"
Hmm... That could be a good option too! :lolhit:

Where's "Invite him back to fuck your girlfriend while you watch?"
tch, and I thought I was missin' ya... troublesome bugger... hang around for a bit...

Likewise. How's the tenure battle going?It's all good - having a ball in my offline life right now.

And can you imagine the fun I have hitting my narrative-constructing sociocultrual theorist colleagues with findings from good, positivist psychological studies... ;)

tch, and I thought I was missin' ya... troublesome bugger... hang around for a bit... :woohoo:

Thanks sal!

I'd have to vote no. I don't think violence is justified in any situation other than as a response to violence or the threat of violence. Besides, there are so many more satisfying ways to get even than bruising your knuckles on some idiots face.

And can you imagine the fun I have hitting my narrative-constructing sociocultrual theorist colleagues with findings from good, positivist psychological studies...

Oh man, I would kill to see that! I've been amazed at all the stuff coming out the pipeline these days. Not psychological, but check this one out:

http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/004538.html

hhmm....it's not right lawfully,but I think it is morally. If a guy grabs me he's asking to be kicked really hard. If my bf happens to pound the crapp outta him before me so be it.

LOL, maybe I just go for mean, caveman type guys.

PS Serious trouble?
For landing a few punches on a lout?
You have got to be kidding. I said hit the guy, not kill the turd.
Besides, if ya do it right, no one goes to jail. Besides, shouldn't be a crime anyway. Pestering ladies--now THAT'S a crime.
participating in a fray isn't a crime here, but playing "grab ass" with an unwilling grabee is generally 1st-3rd degree criminal sexual conduct.

Oh man, I would kill to see that! I've been amazed at all the stuff coming out the pipeline these days. Not psychological, but check this one out:

http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/004538.html
that makes perfect sense...but i'd still frown on John McCain hitting on mah neice.:@@:

I'd have to vote no. I don't think violence is justified in any situation other than as a response to violence or the threat of violence. Besides, there are so many more satisfying ways to get even than bruising your knuckles on some idiots face.
sexual assault isn't violence?

who are the 2 spinless jellyfish that wouldn't even call the police?:mad:

sexual assault isn't violence?
In the sense of "imminent bodily injury", no.

In the sense of "imminent bodily injury", no.
then why is a felony?

then why is a felony?
Do you have a point here? All I see is a gigantic red herring. It's not self defense if some douche gropes some girl, immediately runs away, and her boyfriend tracks him down and beats the shit out of him.

What does this have to do with religion?

Leper wanted to know who would "turn the other cheek"... so to speak.

sexual assault isn't violence?

It can be, but we're discussing "groping" which would usually be classified as the lowest degree of sexual assault. You're thinking of "rape" or "forcible rape" if you're thinking about violent sexual assault.

then why is a felony?

There are many felonies that have no component of violence in them.

What does this have to do with religion?

The forum is titled "Religion and Philosophy"...I guess this would fall under personal philosophy.

What does this have to do with religion?We atheists have forcibly taken over this forum and all religion talk is now banned.

Leper wanted to know who would "turn the other cheek"... so to speak.
I pretty much could have predicted who would say no.

Leper wanted to know who would "turn the other cheek"... so to speak.
cut out the ass jokes this is serious stuff eh?

*leaves a stray feather for Pharty on the way out*

Do you have a point here? All I see is a gigantic red herring. It's not self defense if some douche gropes some girl, immediately runs away, and her boyfriend tracks him down and beats the shit out of him.
that wasn't the question, it was-Is it okay for a spouse to punch out a stranger who gropes his/her spouse?

you're implying too much.

It can be, but we're discussing "groping" which would usually be classified as the lowest degree of sexual assault. You're thinking of "rape" or "forcible rape" if you're thinking about violent sexual assault.

it's still a felony, as opposed to simple battery, a misdemeanor...if you could get a conviction for that.

then why is a felony?

It's not, at least it's not in Texas. And I would be surprised to hear about a state that sent you to the pen over a boob grab. Groping someone isn't typically considered "sexual assault" (i.e. "rape") however it is typically considered an assault because it is "offensive contact."

Leper wanted to know who would "turn the other cheek"... so to speak.

Not exactly. I just want to hear who considers it wrong; not necessarily whether you would do it yourself.

I say Hell, yes. Knock 'em on their back. To many things are sent to the cops these days. We ought to go back to a little old fashioned woodshed justice, at times.

Reading this thread it's no wonder your Country ended up in Iraq.

Just punch 'em down and shoot it out... I be da man! :rolleyes:

Reading this thread it's no wonder your Country ended up in Iraq.

Just punch 'em down and shoot it out... I be da man! :rolleyes:

"Your country?" Canada is practically the US, geez.

Just punch 'em down and shoot it out... I be da man! :rolleyes:No body gets killed when you punch somebody in the mouth. No government resourses are wasted on something that can be handled by the person involved. A man should have the moral obligation to defend his own wife.

None of these sounds anything like Iraq to me. Just the opposite, in fact.

"Your country?" Canada is practically the US, geez.:lolhit: "practically" doesn't count... :D

:lolhit: "practically" doesn't count... :DNot when you need 'em to watch your back.:cool:

No body gets killed when you punch somebody in the mouth. No government resourses are wasted on something that can be handled by the person involved. A man should have the moral obligation to defend his own wife.

None of these sounds anything like Iraq to me. Just the opposite, in fact.

To an outsider reading it, it's about the propensity to violence. Everything starts somewhere. Every one was willing to take the poll and say yes with no facts given.

Leper being a lawyer :D was using the poll for another thread. The thread is about jumping to a conclusion and acting violently upon another human being (killing him) based on the word of a two year old. When one reads the threads together, it is disturbing...that's all.

I would have thought a few more people here would have wanted facts before "punching a guy out"... but apparently not. People consider it "manly". I think it leads to a mentally and mindset for brute violence... keep ramping it up... you get to war.

:lolhit: "practically" doesn't count... :D

It's high time we invade canada!

It's high time we invade canada!

Naw, we will annex it soon enough, along with Mexico.

I would have thought a few more people here would have wanted facts before "punching a guy out"... but apparently not. People consider it "manly". I think it leads to a mentally and mindset for brute violence... keep ramping it up... you get to war.

If my wife tells me someone groped her, that's all I need. If I can't trust my wife and need to wait for the facts, then I have bigger problems.

It's high time we invade Canada!

oh you think lol bring it on.

Great thanks Phyrex.... you wish bring on the invasion. hehe

Leper being a lawyer :D was using the poll for another thread. The thread is about jumping to a conclusion and acting violently upon another human being (killing him) based on the word of a two year old. When one reads the threads together, it is disturbing...that's all.

Well, it serves two functions. One, VP was claiming I had a minority viewpoint on this topic. Since I respect VP's opinion, it made me legitimately wonder if I were that isolated in my opinion. Second, it backs up my statement in the other thread to the effect that most people would support vigilante justice of this sort.

It's really not that disturbing of an argument....If you allow criminals to get away with unacceptable behavior, then you're only allowing such behavior to flourish. By punishing the criminal yourself, you're not only protecting your loved ones, but you're protecting the rest of society from future abuse.

Just to be clear, I only support such action when a legal response is not a realistic solution, as in this scenario.

It's high time we invade canada!
Tch, I've been waiting here for weeks now since you guys last threatened... I had the beer all cooled for ya and was looking forward to my shampoo delivery...

Had to drink the beer... it goes skunky don't ya know... if'n your coming get going I'll fill the fridges again...Phyrex, if you're going AWOL in order to help out you'd best hurry winter will be arriving soon. Your climate will be better where you are.

Well, it serves two functions. One, VP was claiming I had a minority viewpoint on this topic. Since I respect VP's opinion, it made me legitimately wonder if I were that isolated in my opinion. Second, it backs up my statement in the other thread to the effect that most people would support vigilante justice of this sort.

It's really not that disturbing of an argument....If you allow criminals to get away with unacceptable behavior, then you're only allowing such behavior to flourish. By punishing the criminal yourself, you're not only protecting your loved ones, but you're protecting the rest of society from future abuse.

Just to be clear, I only support such action when a legal response is not a realistic solution, as in this scenario.

Jester you are pulling a lawyer stunt. The guy KILLED his neighbour... that is a whole different kind of vigilante justice than you have set up here.

There are different levels of vigilantism. A punch in the nose is at one end and climbing through a window and stabbing a guy to death is at the other. They are polarized.

Which is why it can not be condoned on any level. It is purely an emotional response therefore psychologically questionable at best.

oh you think lol bring it on.

Great thanks Phyrex.... you wish bring on the invasion. hehe
I'll do it all by myself, McGuyver style! All I'll need is a roll of tape, jelly beans, an egg of silly putty, and my trusty Strat! Canada would never know what hit it!

I'll do it all by myself, McGuyver style! All I'll need is a roll of tape, jelly beans, an egg of silly putty, and my trusty Strat! Canada would never know what hit it!What if Canada responded by hiring the A-team and supplying them with a refuse truck, gate railings, welding kit, a large pipe, and a pile of turnips? Then you'd be fucked.

Make a great film actually. Forget Alien vs. Predator...

Well, it serves two functions. One, VP was claiming I had a minority viewpoint on this topic. Since I respect VP's opinion, it made me legitimately wonder if I were that isolated in my opinion. Second, it backs up my statement in the other thread to the effect that most people would support vigilante justice of this sort.

There's a big difference between killing and punching. I did not support the vigilante killing in the other thread. (voted yes in this one)

There's a big difference between killing and punching. I did not support the vigilante killing in the other thread. (voted yes in this one)I second this post.

I'll do it all by myself, McGuyver style! All I'll need is a roll of tape, jelly beans, an egg of silly putty, and my trusty Strat! Canada would never know what hit it!

hehe nappy your not even in Canada yet and we don't know what hit us.
lol
Canada isn't ready for you yet...we are to much for you to handle.
Hey ~sal~ going to have to get together next time I am in Winnipeg or in kenora.
Love that area and might even be living in Winnipeg.

What if Canada responded by hiring the A-team and supplying them with a refuse truck, gate railings, welding kit, a large pipe, and a pile of turnips? Then you'd be fucked.

Make a great film actually. Forget Alien vs. Predator...
Man, the A-team ain't shit. Just let me call my man Chris Rock! Matter of fact, I got just the thing for dey asses. *runs out to get a pallet of dish soap, and a helium canister*

That'll show 'em!

I vote Yes also.
There is a time and place for a partner to be able to step up and say, "Look you crossed the line back off". If some one can't respect that and listen then what happens next could be many things.
I know that I have punch a guy or two for thinking it was OK and funny to grab my ass in public. NO it isn't and if you do that I will deal accordingly.

One time it happened in the grocery store a guy grabbed my ass in the line up. I was offended by this action and said do not do that again. He thought this was funny and attempted to do it again. The guy behind that guy grabbed the man and told him wise up you heard the lady.
Some people can be pigs and just show their low level intelligence.

I am also not above popping someone if they don't listen or letting my boyfriend have a crack at them.

There's a big difference between killing and punching. I did not support the vigilante killing in the other thread. (voted yes in this one)

*sigh* This (stranger-groping-spouse) is the same example I used in the other thread. Sal is the one who wants to talk about the killing in this thread, not me.

Jester you are pulling a lawyer stunt. The guy KILLED his neighbour... that is a whole different kind of vigilante justice than you have set up here.

There are different levels of vigilantism. A punch in the nose is at one end and climbing through a window and stabbing a guy to death is at the other. They are polarized.

Which is why it can not be condoned on any level. It is purely an emotional response therefore psychologically questionable at best.

A) I'm not Jester.

B) I know there are different levels of vigilantism. I never brought up killing people on this thread. You did.

hehe nappy your not even in Canada yet and we don't know what hit us.
lol
Canada isn't ready for you yet...we are to much for you to handle.
Hey ~sal~ going to have to get together next time I am in Winnipeg or in kenora.
Love that area and might even be living in Winnipeg.

Hey girl if you get as far as Kenora I will get there if I have to walk... :D It's a date baby.

A) I'm not Jester.

B) I know there are different levels of vigilantism. I never brought up killing people on this thread. You did.

Sorry Leper had a mental meltdown, was trying to prepare dinner and post... not smart.

And I know you didn't bring up killing people in this thread. But you were attempting to justify vigilantism by skewing the numbers with a misleading poll.

Edited to also say... sorry to Jester... it's Wednesday guys... :D

Most any woman I know would go after the groper on her own & put some serious hurt on them - verbally, physically & if a badge wearer was nearby, attempt to do so legally as well.