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Curious to your views here.

Personally, I'm sick of the double standards of some people. If insulting other cultures and religions is ok with Americans, than Islam should be included.

If our media are afraid to publish something, I'd say we should be concerned that there is serious intimidation going on that causes our media to limit themselves. That was the whole point of the Danish cartoons it was to prove a point that the radical Islamists are creating an intimidating atmosphere on journalists.

http://volokh.com/posts/1188237224.shtml

Silly Opus. lol... I love that comic. I used to have a few books of it when I was younger.

It seems like non-Muslims are making a bigger deal about it than Muslims. As for me, I didn't think it was very funny and I believe it was in poor taste. Moreover, I really don't like comics and I am Muslim :thumbs: .

Nonetheless, they can post whatever they want. I don't have a problem with that. I just won't read it.


"It is in the nature of Islam to dominate, not to be dominated, to impose it’s laws on all nations and to extend it’s power to the entire planet.”
Hasan al Banna

However, I do have a problem with your sig. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like your trying to paint all of the beliefs of Muslims as Hasan's. I don't like how you're quoting the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood and trying to generalize it as the beliefs of all Muslims.

"It is in the nature of Islam to dominate, not to be dominated, to impose it’s laws on all nations and to extend it’s power to the entire planet.”
Hasan al Banna

However, I do have a problem with your sig. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like your trying to paint all of the beliefs of Muslims as Hasan's. I don't like how you're quoting the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood and trying to generalize it as the beliefs of all Muslims.

Take your problem with my sig up with the Muslim Brotherhood. It's their beliefs and influence that have led to the terrorism we have suffered these past years.

If the shoe fits, wear it.

Take your problem with my sig up with the Muslim Brotherhood. It's their beliefs and influence that have led to the terrorism we have suffered these past years.

If the shoe fits, wear it.

I do have a problem with the Muslims Brotherhood. But my problem with them is different than the one I have with your sig. It seems as if your trying to strike it as an Islamic belief when it's not.

I do have a problem with the Muslims Brotherhood. But my problem with them is different than the one I have with your sig. It seems as if your trying to strike it as an Islamic belief when it's not.

You have issues of paranoia then.

Don't expect me to try to be concerned with it either, it's your problem.

My efforts are at education for those who are ignorant of the seriousness of islamic terrorists.

You have issues of paranoia then.

Don't expect me to try to be concerned with it either, it's your problem.

My efforts are at education for those who are ignorant of the seriousness of islamic terrorists.

When I asked you to correct me if I was wrong, I meant it. So sorry I was wrong. I just though it was suspect.

But I still don't see quoting a line from Hasan is educating the ignorant about Islamic terrorist?.

When I asked you to correct me if I was wrong, I meant it. So sorry I was wrong. I just though it was suspect.

But I still don't see quoting a line from Hasan is educating the ignorant about Islamic terrorist?.

Tell you what, Googs, I have no intentions of being put on the defensive in this. It's common sense that there is something seriously wrong with the person who I quote. Whether Hasan represents the truth of Mohammed's teachings is up to you Muslims to figure out, not me. I'm not interested in that debate. I'm only interested in letting people know the ideas and mindset that islamic terrorists believe. In case you missed it, there are many people, who are ignorant of what Hasan, bin Laden. Zawahiri, etc have/had in their plans.

I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would have a problem with enlightenment.

Personally, I'm sick of the double standards of some people. If insulting other cultures and religions is ok with Americans, than Islam should be included.

The media doesn't have to insult or make fun of Islam; the American public takes care of that.

Tell you what, Googs, I have no intentions of being put on the defensive in this.

There is no need to get defensive. I was just asking you a question and I had told you to correct me if I was wrong.

It's common sense that there is something seriously wrong with the person who I quote.

Well obviously. But not a lot of people know who Hasan was or what his beliefs were.

Whether Hasan represents the truth of Mohammed's teachings is up to you Muslims to figure out, not me.

Many Muslims will tell you that it's not an Islamic teaching. But don't you think someone should be educated on Islam before being educated about Islamic terrorists?

I'm not interested in that debate. I'm only interested in letting people know the ideas and mindset that islamic terrorists believe. In case you missed it, there are many people, who are ignorant of what Hasan, bin Laden. Zawahiri, etc have/had in their plans.

I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would have a problem with enlightenment.

I think there are many more people that are ignorant about Islam. And easily mistaken Islam for what they see in the media. And in the end, I think that is a bigger problem.

I'd say that having people who believe all Muslims are terrorists is worse than having people who are ignorant about the beliefs of the terrorists.

Googs,
On a discussion board the signature isn't expected to fill a person in on all there is to know on a topic or subject. In this case, it's obvious it's meant to get a person to look up more info on Hasan and hopefully they'll learn more overall. The fact that I even have to explain my sig line to you because you chose to have suspicions about my motives, shows me you're overly sensitive on the subject to begin with. Again, your problem, not mine.

"Many Muslims will tell you that it's not an Islamic teaching. But don't you think someone should be educated on Islam before being educated about Islamic terrorists?"

And many Muslims agree with Hasan and put his teaching into actions through violence. It's vitally important for everyone, regardless of their beliefs to understand what motivates Islamic terrorists. It's certainly not necessary to have a total understanding of Islam in order to understand islamic terrorists.



"I think there are many more people that are ignorant about Islam. And easily mistaken Islam for what they see in the media. And in the end, I think that is a bigger problem."

A bigger problem?? I'd say the bigger problem is that there aren't enough Muslims educating the islamic terrorists about how wrong they are about their interpretations of your faith. Educate them and maybe none of us will have to deal with their violence.

Googs,
On a discussion board the signature isn't expected to fill a person in on all there is to know on a topic or subject. In this case, it's obvious it's meant to get a person to look up more info on Hasan and hopefully they'll learn more overall. The fact that I even have to explain my sig line to you because you chose to have suspicions about my motives, shows me you're overly sensitive on the subject to begin with. Again, your problem, not mine.

I didn't mean for you to get defensive. I made an assumption. You said I was wrong. I said okay. I think we can drop this part now.

And many Muslims agree with Hasan and put his teaching into actions through violence. It's vitally important for everyone, regardless of their beliefs to understand what motivates Islamic terrorists. It's certainly not necessary to have a total understanding of Islam in order to understand islamic terrorists.

I think it's important to understand the Islamic religion. To understand what motivates them. To understand the situation they’re in when they make the choice of becoming an "Islamic terrorist." Most that do decide are probably poor and oppressed people. And I think that is the underlying issue in all of this. That in the end, these people are being force-fed something false and are trying to use Islam as an excuse.



A bigger problem?? I'd say the bigger problem is that there aren't enough Muslims educating the islamic terrorists about how wrong they are about their interpretations of your faith. Educate them and maybe none of us will have to deal with their violence.

I'd say it definitely is a bigger problem. The media like the majority of Americans have trouble distinguishing between Muslim terrorists and the rest of the Muslim population. The fact that the majority of Americans believe Muslim men are oppressive people. That fact Americans believe Muslim women are oppressed people, who have no rights. The fact that Americans believe women do not choose to wear the hijab. My mom started wearing it when she was thirty. The perception of Muslims in America is twisted and unfair and is not representative of the whole Muslim population.

In this thread (http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?t=30344) began some days ago, I brought this situation to the attention of the forum. It only got a few responses. Oh well.

It seems to me that society in general is coddling the muslims, reluctant to risk their ire, much in the same way America's white society is unwilling to really call blacks on their outright racism. If we "pick" on muslims, society is being insensitive and they may retaliate with violence. If we "call" blacks on their behaviors, we may have riots in the streets.

Bring it on. I'm goddamn tired of pussy-footing around. If one religion is fair game for comedic scrutiny, then they all are. The same applies to those of darker hues of brown. Fact is, there's a whole lot of truly sick s.o.b.'s out there, sitting in every church, mosque & synagogue, of every color known to humanity. At one time or another each group has been in the forefront, currently center stage belongs to various knuckle-draggers claiming to be muslims.

From an old, old adage: "fuck 'em if they can't take a joke".

In this thread (http://www.allforums.net/showthread.php?t=30344) began some days ago, I brought this situation to the attention of the forum. It only got a few responses. Oh well.

It seems to me that society in general is coddling the muslims, reluctant to risk their ire, much in the same way America's white society is unwilling to really call blacks on their outright racism. If we "pick" on muslims, society is being insensitive and they may retaliate with violence. If we "call" blacks on their behaviors, we may have riots in the streets.

I think it goes both ways. Muslims in America really don't make a huge outcry like the European Muslims. I haven't heard anything about the Opus cartoon here. No riots. No marches. No killings. No boycotts. Really, no response from the Muslim population towards the comic.

Bring it on. I'm goddamn tired of pussy-footing around. If one religion is fair game for comedic scrutiny, then they all are. The same applies to those of darker hues of brown. Fact is, there's a whole lot of truly sick s.o.b.'s out there, sitting in every church, mosque & synagogue, of every color known to humanity. At one time or another each group has been in the forefront, currently center stage belongs to various knuckle-draggers claiming to be muslims.

I agree with you here es. Like I said from before, I really haven't heard of Muslims speaking out against the comic. It was non-Muslims that took the action. We have nutcases in every religion and racists in every race.

From an old, old adage: "fuck 'em if they can't take a joke".

Joking about our differences I think bridges the gap closer only if both groups are cooperating.

Wasn't Opus the cartoon that lampooned Fathers with the "this kid has two mothers" strip that was published on Father's day? I think it showed a man throwing a TV or something while watching a ball game, during the discussion of how a child of a lesbian couple didn't have a male role model.

Real classy comic strip.... :rolleyes: