www.youtube.com/watch?v=07WX3F7UQWA&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07WX3F7UQWA&NR=1) Do you think home schooling is a good idea?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=07WX3F7UQWA&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07WX3F7UQWA&NR=1) Do you think home schooling is a good idea?
Sounds like what you're really asking is, "Is it a better idea for kids to be taught to believe just like their teachers... or their parents?"

For every kid who's mom instills her own values to her children, there's a kid like Freethinker who was obviously raised with NO values.

*shrugs shoulders*

6 of one, half-dozen of the other if ya ask me.

SMW

Well no that is not what I was asking. And in this case the mom is the teacher. You call it instilling her own values but I see it as brainwashing and not teaching her children to think for themself. And I think you mean *Shrugs shoulders* And I don't know what your last sentence is suppose to mean!

Well no that is not what I was asking. And in this case the mom is the teacher. You call it instilling her own values but I see it as brainwashing and not teaching her children to think for themself. And I think you mean *Shrugs shoulders* And I don't know what your last sentence is suppose to mean!
Thanks for the spell-check.

Brainwashing, passing along one's values... no matter what you call it, I really don't see much difference. Even people whose children go to public schools instill their own family's values to their offspring. Personally, I think the world could use a little MORE of that.

This lady doesn't appear to me to be a RADICAL GOD WARRIOR like some I've seen. Especially the one who was on Trading Spouses or Wife Swap or whatever that show's called. Now SHE was scary! Find a video of her home schooling her kids and you'll have a better example to debate.

The primary responsibility of education is not to teach kids 'how to think' -- that comes later. It's education's role to teach them FACTS about the world. You know, readin, writin, 'rithmatic? History, geography, spelling, civics, literature, health, lunch & PE? Throw in some band, choir, sports or yearbook committee and you might end up with a well-balanced young adult who has enough knowledge in his/her brain to come to their own conclusions about evolution, God, politics.

Just my $.02. I wasn't home-schooled, nor did I home-school anyone. Maybe someone who knows more about it would care to contribute?

SMW

Thanks for the spell-check.

Brainwashing, passing along one's values... no matter what you call it, I really don't see much difference. Even people whose children go to public schools instill their own family's values to their offspring. Personally, I think the world could use a little MORE of that.

This lady doesn't appear to me to be a RADICAL GOD WARRIOR like some I've seen. Especially the one who was on Trading Spouses or Wife Swap or whatever that show's called. Now SHE was scary! Find a video of her home schooling her kids and you'll have a better example to debate.

The primary responsibility of education is not to teach kids 'how to think' -- that comes later. It's education's role to teach them FACTS about the world. You know, readin, writin, 'rithmatic? History, geography, spelling, civics, literature, health, lunch & PE? Throw in some band, choir, sports or yearbook committee and you might end up with a well-balanced young adult who has enough knowledge in his/her brain to come to their own conclusions about evolution, God, politics.

Just my $.02. I wasn't home-schooled, nor did I home-school anyone. Maybe someone who knows more about it would care to contribute?

SMW I did see that crazy lady on Trading Spouses or at least a clip from it. Did she home school her children? Now when you say the primary responsibility of education is not to teach kids "how to think" I agree but don't you think that they should be taught to think for themself with the knowledge they have aquired? The lady in the clip acts like science is not important. She is clueless about global warming! For myself, one of the most important things I learned in elementary school was not to believe everything you read or here! You say that it is not the "primary responsibility" of education to teach children how to think but that does not mean they should not be taught to think for themselves. I personally find this clip to be scary.

Do you think home schooling is a good idea?

Only if the parent is an educated, licensed, experienced teacher.

Otherwise they are not doing their kids any favors.

I agree that children should be taught not to believe everything they read or hear... ESPECIALLY on the internet. But I don't think it's possible to 'teach' a child how to think for their self. Children are not mature enough to understand the complexities of decision-making in most cases, much less knowledgeable enough to weigh all the facts. That's why we don't let 12 year olds drive or 14 year olds get married or 16 year olds vote. Children deserve to be 'sheltered' until at least they reach an age where they are semi-mature.

Sure, plenty don't get that luxury and I think that's sad. People have all their lives to 'think for their self' but only a short time where it's OK to get excited about a new pair of rollerblades.

The GOD WARRIOR from Trading Spouses should be put to sleep.

;)
SMW

For every kid who's mom instills her own values to her children...My problem with all of this is the notion that home schooling so often is "value" based. In general, education is not an issue of values, but rather of infomation and processes. The way to teach kids "to think" is to alow them to reach conclusions of value on their own.

My problem with all of this is the notion that home schooling so often is "value" based. In general, education is not an issue of values, but rather of infomation and processes. The way to teach kids "to think" is to alow them to reach conclusions of value on their own.

sadly, in liberal campuses across america this is not the case. They are approaching re-education camp status in terms of what they teach. If you though christians were bad, hard leftists are even worse.

Well that's a matter of opinion and not mine.

sadly, in liberal campuses across america this is not the case. They are approaching re-education camp status in terms of what they teach. If you though christians were bad, hard leftists are even worse.

I love it when people go on like a broken record about liberal indoctrination at college campuses: as if 1) college students do not have the ability to make reasoned and informed judgments about political issues and 2) college professors can't be trusted to provide genuinely unbiased information about their subject area to their students.

For every kid who's mom instills her own values to her children, there's a kid like Freethinker who was obviously raised with NO values.Ha ha ha!!

You really don't know FT very well at all.

One of the reasons why you're so wrong about so many things is because you make stupid assumptions like this one. :eek:

Ha ha ha!!

You really don't know FT very well at all.

One of the reasons why you're so wrong about so many things is because you make stupid assumptions like this one. :eek:

Yeah its probably not popular here to defend FT, but I gotta say atleast he is thinking. You may not agree with what FT is thinking or saying but at least he's thinking out of the box.

You, SWM - on the other hand-, just keep running on what you are TOLD to think. I believe that most posters on this board would agree to that. The way you believe would take this country back 200 years.

Indoctrinating your children is not what you should be doing. Children should not be born as Christians or Muslim or any religion. I believe that it is the parents job to instill positive values in their children's lives yes, however they should not force anything that they have the ability to make their own minds up about. Killing people is bad, being mean is wrong, stealing is wrong, not praise Allah, Jesus, Buddha.

Personally, I think that I may home school my children, if it's alright with my future spouse. I am secular so that wont be a problem, I will present them with the facts of the world, and they can come to their own conclusions. Thats what my parents did with me, and that is what I intend to do as well. I wasn't home schooled, but my parents never forced a single belief on me, except for the belief in ones self.

As for FT, I'm pretty sure he'd say something like "Your Reich-wing wacko's were born Republicans with your religion and conservativeness, so go crawl in a hole and die and stop sucking off the teat of Fox News." Or something along those lines. I'm pretty sure hes 100% set in his ways, therefor the "Freethinking" is out the window for him.

Ha ha ha!!

You really don't know FT very well at all.

One of the reasons why you're so wrong about so many things is because you make stupid assumptions like this one. :eek:
Jeez, no kidding. She couldn't spit out something brilliant even if she gave Einstein a blowjob.

Indoctrinating your children is not what you should be doing. Children should not be born as Christians or Muslim or any religion. I believe that it is the parents job to instill positive values in their children's lives yes, however they should not force anything that they have the ability to make their own minds up about. Killing people is bad, being mean is wrong, stealing is wrong, not praise Allah, Jesus, Buddha.

Personally, I think that I may home school my children, if it's alright with my future spouse. I am secular so that wont be a problem, I will present them with the facts of the world, and they can come to their own conclusions. Thats what my parents did with me, and that is what I intend to do as well. I wasn't home schooled, but my parents never forced a single belief on me, except for the belief in ones self.

As for FT, I'm pretty sure he'd say something like "Your Reich-wing wacko's were born Republicans with your religion and conservativeness, so go crawl in a hole and die and stop sucking off the teat of Fox News." Or something along those lines. I'm pretty sure hes 100% set in his ways, therefor the "Freethinking" is out the window for him. Well of course children are not born Christian or Muslim or any other religion. And I doubt that FT would say anyone was born a republican or that he's 100% set in his ways. I mean how on earth would you know something like that?

Jeez, no kidding. She couldn't spit out something brilliant even if she gave Einstein a blowjob.

haha..that's a good one.

Well of course children are not born Christian or Muslim or any other religion. And I doubt that FT would say anyone was born a republican or that he's 100% set in his ways. I mean how on earth would you know something like that?

My point was that children are born into religions, and they don't have a choice. Thats not right. I don't know how you missed that one from that post. And yes, I think FT would, every single post he makes is about how bad or wrong either the right, or religion is, and for him those both go hand in hand.

Well Phyrex you said that children should not be born as christians or muslims and all I said was that they are not born as either. Maybe you meant children should not be brainwashed or indoctrinated when they are they are small. And that I agree with totally.

Instilling proper values means the teacher agrees with you. If the teacher doesn't agree with you it is brainwashing.

I don't know about other states but in New York hometeachers must test their students throughout the year to insure they are getting a proper
education.

Dharmabum seems to think only licensed teachers should be allowed to teach. I spent over three decades as an educator both as a teacher and an administrator and I can assure Dharmabum and everyone else there are just as many unqualified teachers as unqualified parents. Attending a teacher's college is no guarantee you know how to teach or that if you do you are willing to put in the effort good teaching requires.

For every kid who's mom instills her own values to her children, there's a kid like Freethinker who was obviously raised with NO values.


This is an interesting example of just how wrong certain people's ideas and assumptions are about atheists.

Actually, you're as far off base as humanly possible with that assumption.

I was raised by my very virtuous, devout Baptist grandparents and went to church every Sunday of my life (and many Sunday nights and Wednesday nights) until I was 18.

Well of course children are not born Christian or Muslim or any other religion. And I doubt that FT would say anyone was born a republican or that he's 100% set in his ways.

I don't think that any human being is "born" anything with regards to ideological or philosophical positions...........and I am always open to examining new information and data and changing my views if I find the new information correct and compelling.

As to being *set in my ways*, I have probably altered my views and ideology as much or more over the past 30 years than any person here.

When I was 16 or 17, I would have come down on the *conservative* side of virtually every issue that humans are faced with. Now I am a radical leftist.

I once thought --before I began to read extensively on the subject and on what America has been doing around the planet for the last century-- that this country was the most magnanimous, kindly, benevolent nation on earth, and would never harm anyone from another nation simply for corporate profit. I came to recognize that I was 100% wrong in that view.

I was once a "saved" Baptist churchgoer and am now an atheist.

For me, nothing is set in stone.

I was home schooled for a year, but it was really at the wrong time and not right for me. I like the structure of a normal classroom and I enjoy going to school.

However, I think that home schooling can be a great thing for small children, especially gifted children. It fosters their natural love of learning without discouraging them by sending them to a school where they can't work at their own pace. In elementary school I felt stifled by the terribly easy classwork and old-fashioned teachers who thought everyone should learn the same things, the same way, at the same time.

In most states, home schooled children must either take standardized tests or have portfolios of work graded by an actual teacher. I don't think that home schooled children are getting a worse education than those in the public school system, and many of them are probably getting a better one.

Well Phyrex you said that children should not be born as christians or muslims and all I said was that they are not born as either. Maybe you meant children should not be brainwashed or indoctrinated when they are they are small. And that I agree with totally.

Ugh, read the very first line! Sheesh, lol.

Anyways yeah.

I don't think that any human being is "born" anything with regards to ideological or philosophical positions...........and I am always open to examining new information and data and changing my views if I find the new information correct and compelling.

As to being *set in my ways*, I have probably altered my views and ideology as much or more over the past 30 years than any person here.

When I was 16 or 17, I would have come down on the *conservative* side of virtually every issue that humans are faced with. Now I am a radical leftist.

I once thought --before I began to read extensively on the subject and on what America has been doing around the planet for the last century-- that this country was the most magnanimous, kindly, benevolent nation on earth, and would never harm anyone from another nation simply for corporate profit. I came to recognize that I was 100% wrong in that view.

I was once a "saved" Baptist churchgoer and am now an atheist.

For me, nothing is set in stone. Wow, I had devout Baptist grandparents too although they did not raise me my devout baptist mother and not so devout dad did. Somehow, whenever we visited my mom's parents in east texas, I always got grabbed by my grandman and got a wonderful:rolleyes: bible sermon like you would not believe. Somehow my two older sisters got out of it. I remember my grandma saying that Jesus did not have long hair and a beard! (He was no hippie). And also the world was only 2,000 years old. Oh and to just be nice in school when they talked about evolution but don't believe in it because it was a lie! Thank goodness I don't hold on to that belief!

This is an interesting example of just how wrong certain people's ideas and assumptions are about atheists.

Actually, you're as far off base as humanly possible with that assumption.

I was raised by my very virtuous, devout Baptist grandparents and went to church every Sunday of my life (and many Sunday nights and Wednesday nights) until I was 18.

Which absolutely proves my point, FT. Alot of kids believe that because their parents try to teach them something, it must be WRONG. That's why I don't think it's such a big deal that the mom in the video is trying to pass along her values to her home-taught son. Chances are, once he's grown, he may decide to go in the opposite direction... like you did. I hope you grew up at least respecting your grandparents, even if you didn't choose to follow in their footsteps.

SMW

Jeez, no kidding. She couldn't spit out something brilliant even if she gave Einstein a blowjob.

I find Nappy's one-liner post to me, which has NOTHING to do with the topic being discussed, to be obscene, hateful, insulting... and totally uncalled for.

Please issue a warning.

Thank you.

SMW

I find Nappy's one-liner post to me, which has NOTHING to do with the topic being discussed, to be obscene, hateful, insulting... and totally uncalled for.

Please issue a warning.

Thank you.

SMW Well I can agree with you on this one SMW!

I'm offended by offended people, no really.

I'm offended by offended people, no really.

:stfu Phyrex. I'll be offended if I wanna be offended and you can't stop me.

;)
SMW

I'm offended by offended people, no really. I think you get offended when you don't offended people. Really!

I think you get offended when you don't offended people. Really!

I don't offend people, thats the point. She knows I'm messing with her.