This board is full of atheist and agnostics, it seems.Just wondering if there are any Christians?

There are a lot of Christians. There's Inviolable, Frogger, Tucker, and Smartmouthwoman just off the top of my head.

P.S.- I'm not Christian, atheist, or agnostic.

Recovering

I believe!!! I guess thats oppressive to some people...

Sure there are and not ashamed to be called Christian.
However, we are not all Bible thumping Evangelists.

I'm a Christian but an irregular churchgoer. Also try to keep this to myself and not be in anyone's face with it....just bad manners, that.

I believe!!! I guess thats oppressive to some people...

NO believeing is not oppressive...but when this belief (or any religious belief) influences our government, foreign policy, schooling, etc., yes then it is oppressive.

I have to say Decka, you are pretty cool about it.

I'm a Christian but an irregular churchgoer. Also try to keep this to myself and not be in anyone's face with it....just bad manners, that. What?

I used to be a devoted christian, go to church every time the doors opened, played in the band, taught sunday school, lol, I have even preached, but now I am not a good example of a christian.

After a chain of events unfolded, I am what it known as "back slidden' in the christian circle. I have stopped going to church and doing any activities with them.
God bless his followers that laid a guilt trip on me because it worked, and even though I know I shouldn't let it bother me, it does, which adds to my confusion about my faith.

I do believe in God, and I am mad at him currently.
I have unanswered questions I want answers too I will probably never get, but I will keep soul searching and try to find the answers.

What?

I mean, IMO, it's bad manners to proslytize/try to convert. Just not done, old top. No one is interested and if they are, they'll ask.

NO believeing is not oppressive...but when this belief (or any religious belief) influences our government, foreign policy, schooling, etc., yes then it is oppressive.

I have to say Decka, you are pretty cool about it.

Thanks MeskDXB... I will tell you that it seems a lot of times I have to give many christians a reality check on their behavior.

Now granted.. I drink, I curse at times, and I don't want to be some representative of my religion on a big time level.. I don't want that burden. I do want to be able to represent it to the average person though.

My "reality check" happens to be on how christians deal with non christians. Today's society is so incompatible with christianity, young christians are in a bind between their faith and "being cool". Many old school christians also have trouble, holding onto what they believe in and thinking that THEIR way is the only way.

My message to them is to give up the act, give up yourself. Tell people what you believe, what you think. If they want to believe it, that's on them. Most people want the "credit" for "changing" someone.... which goes hand in hand with today's "quick fix" society. All you have to do is plant the seed.. if it grows it grows. Most of the time people who don't believe will shun you off, but if they see your good deeds, YEARS down the road they might reflect and come to see WHY you were "so nice to them" or why you were "respectful, friendly, and kind"... I'm not saying THAT gets you into heaven but It's hard NOT to act that way if you have a good relationship with God....

NO believeing is not oppressive...but when this belief (or any religious belief) influences our government, foreign policy, schooling, etc., yes then it is oppressive.

I have to say Decka, you are pretty cool about it.
Don't you think its wrong for Christians to have the freedom taken away and other religons/ideals can do whatever the heck they want?

Don't you think its wrong for Christians to have the freedom taken away and other religons/ideals can do whatever the heck they want?
Why on earth would you ask that? Mesk didn't suggest that Christians have any more or less freedom than members of any other religion.

Don't you think its wrong for Christians to have the freedom taken away and other religons/ideals can do whatever the heck they want?
WHAT?! WHAT?! WHAT?!

Give me an example of this.

Don't you think its wrong for Christians to have the freedom taken away and other religons/ideals can do whatever the heck they want?

Such as?

Afinertouch,

Have you seen my thread about the Jesus Myth? I don't know how anybody could still believe after seeing these facts.

Yes, Invioable, even if the facts are from Jordan Maxwell. I did post other sources there too.

you can profess being a christian, but if you don't do as jesus said and lived, you ain't one. if it ain't written in red, he didn't say it and that is all supposition.

Being a Christian myself, I too would like to know just what freedoms are being thought of that are taken away by being in the faith. I was a steady churchgoer when I was at home...now I don't go near as much as I used to because of college and other obligations. I still go whenever I return home though.

you can profess being a christian, but if you don't do as jesus said and lived, you ain't one. if it ain't written in red, he didn't say it and that is all supposition.

Noone can live up to Jesus's (God's) expectations. We are born sinful, and only by God's mercy are we hopefully given to the keys to heaven. I agree that christians SHOULD stand out and should be from this world, not of this world.. but it's not as black and white as you make it out to be.

There's too many different interpretations of what being a christian is and isn't; what's expected and what isn't. I agree that it's not so cut-throat as what was previously mentioned.

Don't you think its wrong for Christians to have the freedom taken away and other religons/ideals can do whatever the heck they want?


Still waiting!!

I am not a Christian although I was raised Roman Catholic. Christianity is too narrow and regimented. My partner however is a Christian and has his ministers papers.

Most of my friends are Christian, Muslim or Jewish so in other words (standard). There are only a few of us rogues around in my universe.

They think I'm weird but I think many of them secretly hold out hope I will return to the fold. Ain't never gonna happen. My relationship is direct and unfettered.

Noone can live up to Jesus's (God's) expectations. We are born sinful, and only by God's mercy are we hopefully given to the keys to heaven. I agree that christians SHOULD stand out and should be from this world, not of this world.. but it's not as black and white as you make it out to be.

horseshit. jesus was man who rebeled and got his ass nailed up for it.

and he rebeled peacefully and it worried the pharisees and romans. that's all.

i refuse to be a chritian due to the self rightous attitude of if you don't believe you go to hell. if i don't believe, you mean i go to the same place as hitler, stalin, and others like them? what a crock.

i refuse to be a chritian due to the self rightous attitude of if you don't believe you go to hell. if i don't believe, you mean i go to the same place as hitler, stalin, and others like them? what a crock.

yeah that part has turned me off since I was about 8...I knew not to open my big mouth around adults as I went to a parochial school but that was a turning point for me...

horseshit. jesus was man who rebeled and got his ass nailed up for it.

and he rebeled peacefully and it worried the pharisees and romans. that's all.Hi primitive man!

Hasn't Decka already provided a satisfactory response to this charge? No one can be like Jesus, he was sinless. Christians are Christians if they accept Jesus's sacrifice for their own sinful nature. What's wrong with that?
i refuse to be a chritian due to the self rightous attitude of if you don't believe you go to hell. if i don't believe, you mean i go to the same place as hitler, stalin, and others like them? what a crock.I too find the moral implications of hell-belief quite dispicable. But, in my own experience, most Christians don't have a self-righteous personality in practice.

sinless. yeah right. what you read in the accepted versions of bible stuff is just a version. they took of him what they wanted when the book got printed and made him into a god, perfect. and brainwashed people to believe that.


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Don't you think its wrong for Christians to have the freedom taken away and other religons/ideals can do whatever the heck they want?


christians do whatever they want anyway. and if they are losing freedoms, then it is justice for what has been done by them in the name of god for centuries.

It seems, to me, today that many people pick the parts of Christianity that are comfortable to them personally and disregard those beliefs that are uncomfortable. We may be seeing the beginning of a new faith, one that picks the acceptable parts of various religions and disregards those beliefs that are not socially or personally accepted.

It would be somewhat ironic if evolution occurs in religions.

It would be somewhat ironic if evolution occurs in religions.

Of course it does! Even Jesus is just a rehash of old stories. I don't know why the "christians" on this board don't own up to it.

I don't know who said this but it goes something like this: "All religions are literary entertainment for future generations".. so true...

something like that... i was too lazy to get up from the computer and grab the book that i read that in.

Still waiting!!
My puters been out!lol

It seems, to me, today that many people pick the parts of Christianity that are comfortable to them personally and disregard those beliefs that are uncomfortable. We may be seeing the beginning of a new faith, one that picks the acceptable parts of various religions and disregards those beliefs that are not socially or personally accepted.

It would be somewhat ironic if evolution occurs in religions.I think thats whats called fast food religion!

you can profess being a christian, but if you don't do as jesus said and lived, you ain't one. if it ain't written in red, he didn't say it and that is all supposition.

Since when does being a Christian mean you have to be perfect? Christians are not sinless. They have their sins forgiven. Because we Christians cannot be perfect the only perfect person voluntarily gave up his life to atone for our sins. Atone (at one) we became one with Christ through his redemptive actions.

My puters been out!lol

Still waiting...

frogger: you are going by the ACCEPTED version of jesus which survived more so than the others. most of the other PRE-roman church sects were wiped out. for economic, social, and religious reasons.

doing what you say or thinking that way is passing the buck. like a man killing people and saying, the devil made me do it.

Greetings batgirl: You seem real sincere, genuine in your observation. As you can see most people think knowing Jesus is somthing that is to be hidden, like a secret that they may believe but shouldnt share. Jesus is no secret that's why even athiest and just plain God haters cant help but to dialogue of him, scoff him and his followers. As Gods word says in the last days scoffers (those who deride, mock, ridicule) shall come. They are in droves, these days. Thier life is to keep others from believing in Jesus. Thats no life, thats a soul gone mad. People since the time of JESUS have been trying to persaude people from JESUS..Those who believe will believe at the cost of thier lives, not of thier souls, as JESUS SAVEs! So persacution and decietful tounges are as a flames to the fire of the gospel.. Have they not learned that the more they seek to destroy true Christianity the MORE IT SHINES!!!!!!!!

Jesus existance is a threat to the comfourt of an earthly, sinful life. There are those who because of failure, because of nay sayers of Christ who drift from thier focus on who alone loves them through and through. May the Lord rescue them from the voices of hell.
Jesus made it clear he said "go" When one is at a green light unless they want to be honked at they go! So shall Gods true children do, as they are compelled to go into all the world and represent JEsus and his beautiful ways. Granted thier are numerous religions in our day, but there is only one way for a sinner to be changed and the devil and his puppets know it. Religion has never been the cure for fallen humankind, religion has no power. Humans are an expression of thier relationships.. A drunk hangs with drunks, ofcourse a bottle, and so on. Thus God is about a relationship which influenes thier behaviour to reflect love, mercy, kindness, patience, forgiveness. To even bless those who curse you. Religion has never reflected such traits.
. THats why Jesus and his message is attacked so vehemently -cruely- Because Jesus and faith in his name is the only way for the works of darkness to be dispelled.. God bless may the Lord enlighten your precious soul.

Welcome RescuedHuman!

in the last days scoffers (those who deride, mock, ridicule) shall come. They are in droves, these days
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THats why Jesus and his message is attacked so vehemently -cruelyI'm always a little confused by Christians claims to be persecuted, or in your words attacked vehemently and cruelly.

I'm confused because for centuries the Christian West has been the dominant world power; and now it's America where the president and the majority of senators are Christian. In my country almost every Prime Minister is a practising Christian, and very often the leader of the opposition too.

So excuse me if I don't pity the plight of the modern Christian.

frogger:
doing what you say or thinking that way is passing the buck. like a man killing people and saying, the devil made me do it.

Nnnnno so, primitive man. Being a Christian and believing in the redemptive process instituted by Christ's sacrifice is not passing the buck. Asking for forgiveness is not simply a get out of jail free card. A person can't simply sin and then say, "Oops, Sorry. Now you have to forgive me, God.' In order to be forgiven the sinner must truely repent of his/her sin. You can't just fake it. Christians believe God can see into our hearts and will know if we are truely and heartily sorry for our sins. If we are, we believe our sins, no matter how terrible are forgiven. If we are not truely sorry for them and do not sincerely repent of them they are not forgiven.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b222/godsandmen/religion/graphics/arxkdbdy0.jpg

http://www.moloth.com/pics/Religion/not-persecuted.jpg

I have to agree that the Christian culture has been dominate for quite a while now. I would also have to say, that because it has been dominate for so long there is a build up of anti christian views just waiting to explode all over Christains every where. It's going to be an ugly backlash.
I think the biggest problem will come because people are under the impression they are currently being opressed by Christians.
And while that may be true to a lesser degree, for the most part Christians have been helpful. I have a feeling the backlash will generate a very unhealthy relationship between Christians and the rest of the world.
All people will be focused on is freedom from Christianity.

This could easily happen very shortly if Obama becomes president.

Why would there be a backlash against Christianity if Obama became President?? He's a Christian, just like all the other candidates...

Why would there be a backlash against Christianity if Obama became President?? He's a Christian, just like all the other candidates...

I dont think that he is, not my personal view. I understood that he wasn't Christian. I thought his background was more Muslim in nature.

I dont think that he is, not my personal view. I understood that he wasn't Christian. I thought his background was more Muslim in nature.
I don't know the exact story here. I know his father was Muslim. However, if he changed his religion as an adult does that make him any less of a good Christian? Didn't Bush change his affiliation too?

I wasn't raised in any religion, but if I chose a religion now would I be considered an inferior member of that religion?

I dont think that he is, not my personal view. I understood that he wasn't Christian. I thought his background was more Muslim in nature.I'm sure millions of other Americans think the same thing. There is a concerted effort underway (emails, web sites and talk radio) to insinuate that Obama is a Muslim in Christian guise. This kind of campaign works by a process of saturation -- what they're saying isn't true, but they know if they say it often enough some people will come to believe it. Listen to the way Rush Limbaugh and others pronounce his name. They will always place emphasis on his middle name: Barack Hussein Obama (and they almost always say his middle name). Over time the message (which has negative connotations) begins to register in your subconscious. It's a subtle and pernicious tactic. Even if you're paying attention and know what they're doing there's still a little mental recoil when you hear it said. For folks who don't know what's being done the message goes straight from their subconscious into their beliefs. And that's when you get people like Inviolable who think he's a Muslim.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b222/godsandmen/religion/text/jesusbumper.jpg

Whats there to be confused about? Are you saying those who love Jesus arent derided for thier faith in Jesus? Ofcourse in the Usa thank God at this time a Christian isnt killed for thier faith, but they certaintly are harassed when they sincerely desire to stand for thier faith in Gods word. Through out the world it is factual that Christians are martyed for thier relationship with the Son of God. And most of the world actually rejects Jesus and his ways! Look at the world it isnt a God fearing one it is one of greed, lust, deception. Many have been led to believe the Catholic church is Christian it is far from who Jesus is/ Jesus said call no man your father, referring to placing one in spiritual authority by referring to him as father. Gods word says OUR FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN. Thus popes and priest are blatantly disobeying Gods word. And to say thier shall be a backlash against Christians, if you only truly knew the result of your so called back lash you wouldnt make such threats. A true Christian will love you even though you oppress them, kill them. Because a true Christian knows the end result of those who seek to destroy Christ followers// Is in GODS hands, not mans.

Jude 1:15 to execute judgment on all and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds of ungodliness that they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things that ungodly sinners have spoken against him."

One will say God is so cruel, rather God is mercifull for many wicked evil people breath today, as only God knows if they may repent.

Mat 5:45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

















I'm always a little confused by Christians claims to be persecuted, or in your words attacked vehemently and cruelly.

I'm confused because for centuries the Christian West has been the dominant world power; and now it's America where the president and the majority of senators are Christian. In my country almost every Prime Minister is a practising Christian, and very often the leader of the opposition too.

So excuse me if I don't pity the plight of the modern Christian.[/QUOTE]

Are people really oppressed by Christians? I mean ofcourse a sinner doesnt like to hear thier actions are against the law of God, which causes the conflict. Yet a sinner can have his fill of sin in this land, from peverted sites, to wicked magazines. Walk into a store buy as much alcohol as ones heart desires. Buy weed, cheat on thier wives, on and on and on a sinner can sin in this land. So in fact the Christain is not dominant. People are free from serving Jesus "for now" as all sinners as you have heard stand condemed who refuse to repent. Jesus did not command his people to force others to repent. That must come from ones heart, where as ISlam indeed will threaten with violence, those who do not convert.. And Indeed Osama is not Christian!!! As Jesus said you shall know them by thier fruits, Obamas fruits do not line up with Gods word.. Your right though as Gods word fortells, the world as whole who do not belong to God, shall indeed turn even more and more against Christians.

Rev 13:15 And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain.
Rev 13:16 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead,





God bless

I have to agree that the Christian culture has been dominate for quite a while now. I would also have to say, that because it has been dominate for so long there is a build up of anti christian views just waiting to explode all over Christains every where. It's going to be an ugly backlash.
I think the biggest problem will come because people are under the impression they are currently being opressed by Christians.
And while that may be true to a lesser degree, for the most part Christians have been helpful. I have a feeling the backlash will generate a very unhealthy relationship between Christians and the rest of the world.
All people will be focused on is freedom from Christianity.

This could easily happen very shortly if Obama becomes president.

Another person repeating the canard that Roman Catholics aren't Christians. Roman Catholics believe in the Triune God, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. That means they are Christians. They may not be the same type Christians as Rescued Human or me but they are Christians none the less.

They are also not the only religion that has a Pope. The Coptic Christian Pope is His Holiness Shenouda III. The Greek Orthodox Pope is, His Beatitude
Theodoros II, Pope andPatriarch of Alexandria and All Africa. While not called Pope, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, Patriarch Alexy II, fills the same position in his church as the Roman Catholic Pope in his.

Are you saying those who love Jesus arent derided for thier faith in Jesus? Ofcourse in the Usa thank God at this time a Christian isnt killed for thier faith, but they certaintly are harassed when they sincerely desire to stand for thier faith in Gods word.See the picture in my previous post.
Through out the world it is factual that Christians are martyed for thier relationship with the Son of God.Many oppresive regimes exist, but I know of none that singles out Christians exclusively or predominantly.
And most of the world actually rejects Jesus and his ways!"You're presecuting me because you don't believe what I do!"

Another person repeating the canard that Roman Catholics aren't Christians. Roman Catholics believe in the Triune God, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.Good call, Frogger. If someone accepts Jesus as their saviour I call them a Christian whatever their denomination.

Good call, Frogger. If someone accepts Jesus as their saviour I call them a Christian whatever their denomination.
Exactly! I've never understood why some Christians seem to hate the other denominations so much.

Many oppresive regimes exist, but I know of none that singles out Christians exclusively or predominantly.

The Muslim regime in The Sudan is targeting the mainly Christian inhabitants of Darfur. The Muslim regime in Turkey targeted the Christian Armenians. The Christians in Indonesia were systematially killed by their Muslim co countrymen with the compliance of the government. Christians in the Soviet Union were often declared insane and sent to gulags.

Can't think of any regimes that are oppresive to Christians, Blob. Maybe you should think a little harder.

I don't know the exact story here. I know his father was Muslim. However, if he changed his religion as an adult does that make him any less of a good Christian? Didn't Bush change his affiliation too?

I wasn't raised in any religion, but if I chose a religion now would I be considered an inferior member of that religion?

I'm kind of confused by a few post here, not just Dark's. I dont listen to talk radio not a fan of talk radio. If Obama is a Christian I apologise for my misconception. All I knew is that he was raised with a Muslim back ground.
His politics kind of reflect that. So I just assumed he still was.

I didn't mean to say he's any less of a Christian because he was once Muslim, I just had no clue he was Christian now.

Besides that the President is suppose to set his religion aside when he takes office. I have never actaully seen that happen, so I seen no reason for Obama to be any different. We're all just renditions of our back ground. Doesn't really matter if we agree with it or not.

I'm kind of confused by a few post here, not just Dark's. I dont listen to talk radio not a fan of talk radio. If Obama is a Christian I apologise for my misconception. All I knew is that he was raised with a Muslim back ground.
His politics kind of reflect that. So I just assumed he still was.

I didn't mean to say he's any less of a Christian because he was once Muslim, I just had no clue he was Christian now.

Besides that the President is suppose to set his religion aside when he takes office. I have never actaully seen that happen, so I seen no reason for Obama to be any different. We're all just renditions of our back ground. Doesn't really matter if we agree with it or not.
Perhaps I'd be a good President then. I have no religion and was not raised in a religious household.

Perhaps I'd be a good President then. I have no religion and was not raised in a religious household.

I vote Darkfantasy for prez!
Our best bet so far.

The Muslim regime in The Sudan is targeting the mainly Christian inhabitants of Darfur. The Muslim regime in Turkey targeted the Christian Armenians. The Christians in Indonesia were systematially killed by their Muslim co countrymen with the compliance of the government. Christians in the Soviet Union were often declared insane and sent to gulags.

Can't think of any regimes that are oppresive to Christians, Blob. Maybe you should think a little harder.Exclusively or predominantly I said, Frogger. You should be reading a little more carefully. Everyone of those above regimes oppresses far people more than Christians (e.g. homosexuals, political dissidents etc).

Drop the Christian persecution complex. It's absurd in a world that is and has been for centuries dominated by Christians and Christianity.

why is it everyone has to accept the idea of jesus and his way by the present day survived faiths. look into others and you might find a way that contradicts everything the modern church says.

Perhaps I'd be a good President then. I have no religion and was not raised in a religious household. ROTFL

I'm kind of confused by a few post here, not just Dark's. I dont listen to talk radio not a fan of talk radio. If Obama is a Christian I apologise for my misconception. All I knew is that he was raised with a Muslim back ground.
His politics kind of reflect that. So I just assumed he still was.

I didn't mean to say he's any less of a Christian because he was once Muslim, I just had no clue he was Christian now.

Besides that the President is suppose to set his religion aside when he takes office. I have never actaully seen that happen, so I seen no reason for Obama to be any different. We're all just renditions of our back ground. Doesn't really matter if we agree with it or not. Well you just seem to be a very confused person for sure!:lolhit:

horseshit. jesus was man who rebeled and got his ass nailed up for it.

and he rebeled peacefully and it worried the pharisees and romans. that's all.

i refuse to be a chritian due to the self rightous attitude of if you don't believe you go to hell. if i don't believe, you mean i go to the same place as hitler, stalin, and others like them? what a crock.


Didn't realize we has such all knowing people here.

Please tell me... what is the next winning lottery numbers for Illinois?

Thanks in advance!

:thumbs:

Perhaps I'd be a good President then. I have no religion and was not raised in a religious household.

I assume that was sarcasm.

It's pretty sad that a country supposedly not founded on any religion can't conceivably have a leader that is non-religious. Did anyone read Time a month or two ago, the one with the story "How the Democrats Got Religion"? I thought that was a pretty interesting article.

It's pretty sad that a country supposedly not founded on any religion can't conceivably have a leader that is non-religious.

I agree. I'm an atheist. If I ever ran for president, I would have to hide that fact if I wanted a chance to be elected.

Another person repeating>? People who know God and love His words are people who will say the Catholic church is not Christian.. You say they have the popes.. Gods word reveals that the papacy is one of man and not of God.. Rather you repeat what the lies of Rome would have the decieved repeat.. NOT Once did you refer to scripture to justify your statements.. NO where did JESUS ever say popes, no where did he ever say Catholic tradtions..
Jesus did say in Mark 7:13 Because of your traditions you have destroyed the authority of God's word. And you do many other things like that."

The traditions of Rome deny Christ and what he did for sinners. So for you to think they believe in and teach the true Jesus you as many are being misled.

No where did JESUS ever pray the rosary or tell others too. The papacy has a history of evil, over 21 anti popes (shows they are not infalliabile) Popes committing adultery, ordering decress to kill.. There is only one type of Christain per Gods word not many. A true Christian knows why JESUS said "it is finished" Jesus finished the work of salvation so that a sinner can GO TO HIM.. not to a priest not to a pope, not to a rosary but to the SON of God HImslef and be saved.. READ THE SCRIPTURES and youll see that is was the gospel is about.. Not about saints. not about bread turning to flesh. ALL who do not love God and judge what they hear by GODS word shall ineed be decieved!!!!

PEter was poor and married. The popes are rich and forbid to marry. Peter was NEVER in ROME. If you read Gods word you would learn that.. It was Paul not Peter who was sent to ROme to preach the gospel..
God BLess May God enlighten as to the numerous errors of the papacy.


Another person repeating the canard that Roman Catholics aren't Christians. Roman Catholics believe in the Triune God, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. That means they are Christians. They may not be the same type Christians as Rescued Human or me but they are Christians none the less.

They are also not the only religion that has a Pope. The Coptic Christian Pope is His Holiness Shenouda III. The Greek Orthodox Pope is, His Beatitude
Theodoros II, Pope andPatriarch of Alexandria and All Africa. While not called Pope, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, Patriarch Alexy II, fills the same position in his church as the Roman Catholic Pope in his.

I used to be a devoted christian, go to church every time the doors opened, played in the band, taught sunday school, lol, I have even preached, but now I am not a good example of a christian.

After a chain of events unfolded, I am what it known as "back slidden' in the christian circle. I have stopped going to church and doing any activities with them.
God bless his followers that laid a guilt trip on me because it worked, and even though I know I shouldn't let it bother me, it does, which adds to my confusion about my faith.

I do believe in God, and I am mad at him currently.
I have unanswered questions I want answers too I will probably never get, but I will keep soul searching and try to find the answers.


Ditto here too- I know exactly what you're going thru and it sucks.

Well you just seem to be a very confused person for sure!:lolhit:


Look whos talkin

NO where did JESUS ever say popes, no where did he ever say Catholic tradtions...Other things Jesus never said: Communion, tithes, missionaries, rapture, Dinner-on-the-ground Gospel Singing, Tele-evangelism, Southern Baptist Convention, etc., etc.

Jesus said do this in remeberance of me.. breaking bread not communion as the Catholic church teaches. Tithes, Gods word says he blesses those who give with a cheerful heart.. Does that mean you give to the money beggers on TBN .. no as clearly they are money hungry. But giving to a poor preacher is another matter.. If you read Gods word it says thier were people that helped with Jesus ministry.. Ofcourse he didnt use the money to buy lavish clothes and to live in a huge house.
Gospel singers: Does the world have sinful singers? Thus Ofcourse people who love God shall sing songs of joy as to His love and mercy! Gods word is filled with encoourgament to sing unto the Lord.
Remember the sermon on the mount? It wasnt as our day as far as Jesus didnt charge people to hear him preach, as he said freely you have recieved freely you shall give..
Missions: Everyday for a true believer in God is a mission, as far as they have been called to be Ambasadors for Christ. Jesus said GO into all the world!!! Not to ask for money to be cured as people on Tbn do. BUT share the goodness of the Lord!
Ofcourse many do not care to hear the gospel.. Jesus said to shake off the dust off your feet to such as reject what he did for them..
Rapture: I agree with you the rapture is a teaching for those who have ithcing ears.. Jesus didnt say he was coming back two times he said one time! Acts 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes to you. Then you will be my witnesses to testify about me in Jerusalem, throughout Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."
Act 1:9 After he had said this, he was taken to heaven. A cloud hid him so that they could no longer see him.
Act 1:10 They were staring into the sky as he departed. Suddenly, two men in white clothes stood near them.
Act 1:11 They asked, "Why are you men from Galilee standing here looking at the sky? Jesus, who was taken from you to heaven, will come back in the same way that you saw him go to heaven."

God bless!


Other things Jesus never said: Communion, tithes, missionaries, rapture, Dinner-on-the-ground Gospel Singing, Tele-evangelism, Southern Baptist Convention, etc., etc.

Other things Jesus never said: Communion, tithes, missionaries, rapture, Dinner-on-the-ground Gospel Singing, Tele-evangelism, Southern Baptist Convention, etc., etc.
Don't let gays marry! Never saw that one in red letters either.

Greetings Cheyanne:
Thats sooo beautiful that you have the talent of song. That you had it your heart to be an example at one time. As Gods knows so many things can flood our hearts. But what joy for ones heart to be soaking up the true Sonshine of Gods love. You are where you are in the marathon of life. The devil has many detours, BUT GOD has the victory!
Heb 12:1 Since we are surrounded by so many examples of faith, we must get rid of everything that slows us down, especially sin that distracts us. We must run the race that lies ahead of us and never give up. Heb 12:2 We must focus on Jesus, the source and goal of our faith. He saw the joy ahead of him, so he endured death on the cross and ignored the disgrace it brought him. Then he received the highest position in heaven, the one next to the throne of God.

Guilt means one has a conscience which means thier is hope that Gods word may still have effect. It is when one has no guilt as to thier actions that such a one has decided to be lost in the detours of darkness..
God bless!!!!!!!





Ditto here too- I know exactly what you're going thru and it sucks.

NO where did JESUS ever say popes, no where did he ever say Catholic tradtions.. Jesus did say pass judgement on who is a Christian, presumably.

Don't let gays marry! Never saw that one in red letters either.


I'd have to say that isnt entirely Christians and some of the blame should be directed at gays themselves. They dont seem to be going about the equal rights laws correctly.

Tag! Hi Batgirl, you are loved!

Christian Rev. Tuck

I'd have to say that isnt entirely Christians and some of the blame should be directed at gays themselves. They dont seem to be going about the equal rights laws correctly.


Mat 19:4 He answered, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female,
Mat 19:5 and said, 'Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh'?
Luk 16:18 "Any man who divorces his wife to marry another woman is committing adultery. The man who marries a woman divorced in this way is committing adultery.



As we can see Jesus clearly referred to a man and a women being married. SAnctifying Gods will as to marriage!
Confirming that God made male and female to marry.. NO WHERE did Jesus say a man shall marry a man.. TO imply that is reckeless and ungodly.. AS GODs word does say throughout homosexuality is an abomination.. God bless

As we can see Jesus clearly referred to a man and a women being married. SAnctifying Gods will as to marriage!
Confirming that God made male and female to marry.. NO WHERE did Jesus say a man shall marry a man.. TO imply that is reckeless and ungodly.. AS GODs word does say throughout homosexuality is an abomination.. God bless
Excellent. That's all I needed to hear.

Marriage is a religious thing, folks, so it is against the First Amendment to have that particular contract in government whatsoever.

Mat 19:4 He answered, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female,
Mat 19:5 and said, 'Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh'?
Luk 16:18 "Any man who divorces his wife to marry another woman is committing adultery. The man who marries a woman divorced in this way is committing adultery.



As we can see Jesus clearly referred to a man and a women being married. SAnctifying Gods will as to marriage!
Confirming that God made male and female to marry.. NO WHERE did Jesus say a man shall marry a man.. TO imply that is reckeless and ungodly.. AS GODs word does say throughout homosexuality is an abomination.. God bless

Oh man, now you're going to force me to debate you a Christian about gay rights.

When I first became a Christian one of the questions I had is, Can God Hate?
He can, he hates sin.
You have to stop and think about what Jesus said sometimes.
God loves everyone, doesn't matter who they are, even if they're a homosexual, God loves them. I'm not pointing that out because I think you don't know it, I'm pointing it out because a lot of people fail to realize exactly what a homosexual is. They're people who simply cant help but be who they are. I don't think homosexuals make the choice to be homosexual.

While you're thinking about that take into consideration that we now all fall under Grace. If it were any other way Jesus wouldn't have saved a prostitute from being stoned. The problem and the issue about homosexuality isn't the fact that people are homosexuals, has I said, they cant help but be who they are. So I don't think God is going to hold that against them.
The problem in it's entirety is sex.
I understand that gays sleep with other men, they lust after other men and so on and so fourth. That sin is no worse then the sin a hetero man has for a woman in regards to sex. It's no better, but it's no worse. God is going to love the hetero man has much has he loves the gay man. Sin is sin, so our responsibility as Christians is to look for it. To recognize it. The sin homosexuals commit is sex. But sex in and of itself is a sin.

Now we figure out what sex is for. The bible says, if we cant hold back our lust then it's best to get married. Families are grown out of love from the relationship between a man and a wife. At least thats the way it's suppose to be.
Homosexual sex doesn't result in children. I'm not saying homosexuals dont adopt and try to make families. It's just not expected generally.
I'm not going to quote any numbers because I'd rather not search for an article I read 6 months ago about casual gay sex. But the standard gay person in a relationship has sex outside of the relationship several times during the relationship. Now I'm sure I'm going to need a link. Anyway.
So generally speaking, gay sex is simply for fun. There doesn't seem to be to much of a commitment overall there.
I'm not saying that all homosexuals don't look for commitment and devotion out of a partner. I'm just saying, generally it isn't expected, even by quite a few gay people.
So generally, over all, being as broad as possible. The devotion required for marriage just isn't there when it comes to homosexuals.

But, they're still people, they're still loved and they still cant help but be who they are. Also, there are gays who have adopted children and are devoted to one another. So we should try and figure something out for them considering we really can't stop them from being who they are.

What should that be?

This could easily happen very shortly if Obama becomes president.

Obama is a Christian.

Excellent. That's all I needed to hear.

Marriage is a religious thing, folks, so it is against the First Amendment to have that particular contract in government whatsoever.Ha!

Obama is a Christian.

I just thought of something, but only because you pointed out Obama is a Christian and someone else said they would hide the fact that they were atheist if they ran for Prez.

Maybe Obama is just playing the Christian card to help his chances at becoming prez.

As we can see Jesus clearly referred to a man and a women being married. SAnctifying Gods will as to marriage!
Confirming that God made male and female to marry.. NO WHERE did Jesus say a man shall marry a man.. TO imply that is reckeless and ungodly.. AS GODs word does say throughout homosexuality is an abomination.. God blessJesus was commenting on the Law as it was, not endorsing it or ruling out any other interpretation of what might be right. In fact, if you read it carefully, you'll notice that he is in fact showing the very Law he's refering to as flawed, since the Law allows for just such divorces as he mentions.

Gal.3:28 -
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

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I just thought of something, but only because you pointed out Obama is a Christian and someone else said they would hide the fact that they were atheist if they ran for Prez.

Maybe Obama is just playing the Christian card to help his chances at becoming prez.
You'd think that it would be hard to fabricate a long-standing membership in a particular church. Wouldn't we hear all about if he had just joined that church recently?

Maybe Obama is just playing the Christian card to help his chances at becoming prez.Isn't that just cognitive dissonance?

Surely you should be delighted to hear someone is a Christian. I don't mean that in a bad way like you want everyone converted, just that your reaction would normally and understandably be positive upon hearing someone is saved(?)

Isn't that just cognitive dissonance?

Surely you should be delighted to hear someone is a Christian. I don't mean that in a bad way like you want everyone converted, just that your reaction would normally and understandably be positive upon hearing someone is saved(?)

I am happy about that, but I dont make the assumption right away that someone is a Christian when they admit to being one. It's not about a bias nature, it's about clarity.

We had a rather short conversation once before about Hitler, his words may have sounded Christian at times, but his actions surely didnt point in that direction. So I make the assumption that he simply isn't Christian.
There is a feeling you get when you become a Christian, there are reasons for staying a Christian other then we simply like the idea of it.
If you dont have that clarity then you're not going to act like a Christian.

I dont know much about Obama to be completely honest. So I cant really say if he has those characteristics that demonstrate the kind of clarity I'm talking about. And I am certainly not saying, the man should be compared to Hitler.
From the little I've read and seen about him he seems like a nice guy.
I haven't read much about his politics but the little I have read are subjects I dont agree with. So I'm still looking for another candidate, with little success because they all pretty much suck this time around.

Anyway, this is America and there are plenty of assholes here to make happy.
Obama has 2 major things going against him if he plans on running for U.S prez.
One is he is african american. The other is his muslim background.
There is a vast majority of people here in the U.S stupid enough to let that keep them for voting for him. Simply saying he is Christian kind of kills two birds with one stone.
It makes the Christians happy and takes away some of that racial tension he might be getting.

You know if Martin Luther Jr was still around I would totally vote for him.

I am happy about that, but I dont make the assumption right away that someone is a Christian when they admit to being one. It's not about a bias nature, it's about clarity.
I, for one, agree. When some one asks, "Are you a Christian?" I often find myself responding by, "What exactly do you mean by that?"

I am happy about that, but I dont make the assumption right away that someone is a Christian when they admit to being one. It's not about a bias nature, it's about clarity.Fair enough (televangilists for example!).

I guess it's contextual though. If you met someone who seems nice and normal at church and they told you they are a Christian you'd believe them (not "you" personally, anyone "you"). But to be fair sceptism is advisable when it comes to politicians...

Fair enough (televangilists for example!).

Some yes, but for the most part they seem to be Christian. Like John Hagee.
He seems to be a Christian, he just seems to be a little hung up on John Hagee.
He's full of himself, but his actions are still moving in the direction I would expect a Christians to move.
It's the human side of Christians that makes it difficult to see or understand.

Excellent. That's all I needed to hear.

Marriage is a religious thing, folks, so it is against the First Amendment to have that particular contract in government whatsoever.

Borghunter that was cool! :)

tuck

You guys are bring up some interesting stuff here!

We have, "What exactly is a Christian?"

"Can Gays be Christians?"

And, "Is marrige by a minister again't the constitution?" ( I think Borgunter has a case for that one :) Marrage also is a legal contract (Government) that has nothing to do with God. ).

And most Christians fall short of the glory of God. Being Gay is just another version of that.Technically sex is a "this world" reality, because there is no sex in Heaven. There is in Paradise though. Scripture also seems to indicate that there is a learning curve when it comes to seeking "the rightousness of The Father." And that, one's teacher, is The Holy Spirit.

Technically a Christian is someone who is actually under the guidance of The Holy Spirit on their path to seeking "the rightousness of The Father."

tuck

Maybe Obama is just playing the Christian card to help his chances at becoming prez.

Maybe every cantidate does that.

So What?

...Technically a Christian is someone who is actually under the guidance of The Holy Spirit on their path to seeking "the rightousness of The Father."tuck

Reading Wikipedia I saw that the two uses of the word Christian in the New Testament was Acts 26:28 and 1 Peter 4:16 referring to the public identity of those that follow Christ.
This being the case, a person could technically be a Christian and not follow the teachings of all the old books of the Bible.
If a person is to follow Christ his quotes are fairly few in the New Testament.
Yet, the Christian religion, seems today, bogged down in an attempt to hang on to translations of the entire Bible in a literal fashion.
To me, this is likened to attempting to drive a T-model on the Autobahn.

Reading Wikipedia I saw that the two uses of the word Christian in the New Testament was Acts 26:28 and 1 Peter 4:16 referring to the public identity of those that follow Christ.
This being the case, a person could technically be a Christian and not follow the teachings of all the old books of the Bible.
If a person is to follow Christ his quotes are fairly few in the New Testament.
Yet, the Christian religion, seems today, bogged down in an attempt to hang on to translations of the entire Bible in a literal fashion.
To me, this is likened to attempting to drive a T-model on the Autobahn.

DanF, what you have posted is why I personally love you! You are a thinker!

Everybody's problem if they are Christian or agnostic :) in todays world, is that Christians are killing Christianity.

How can we counter trend to save Christianity? If Borghunter hangs out long enough :) we will get that boy baptized (by immersion (dunked!) of course, "sprinkling just won't do!" :) The Prophet Mohammed, according to InnocentSweety, also said, "Completely wet!","tuck looks at Inviolable :) ,we are mixing ministries son :) ") and we will bring him/sir/Borghunter into the fold :) !

And yes Dan, you are actually an agnostic. But at the sametime Dan :) as an agnostic you are a total gift to Christianity. We as Christians have been waiting for over two thousand years for Him/Jesus to come back. The question now starts to be, "Are we as Christians actually giving Him/Jesus permission to come back?" :)

tuck

:)

Tuck

How can we counter trend to save Christianity?

Personally, I do not think the present trend of Christianity will be countered.
There are too many various sects and divisions.

I believe it is possible, that if it does not secumb to Islam, Christianity will eventually be replaced by a belief that is a mixture of the current social values, science, and some religious overtures. Something that is plausible, and attractive, to educated and thinking people. People that see present, immediate benefits and knowledge from participation.

The worlds people are now, and in the future, being educated. Education usually leads to questions about ideals previously followed blindly on handed-down information. Education seems to teach the mind to be inquisitive and at the same time skeptical.

I think Christianity is always going to be around, actually what Dan is saying sounds has if it came out of the book of revelations. Taking it out of perspective a little.

Thats not the reason I think it will always be around. The idea of Christianity is more then just a set of values. It's a moment of clarity that is easily reached.
The kind of clarity that couldn't be forgotten.

Personally, I do not think the present trend of Christianity will be countered.
There are too many various sects and divisions.

I believe it is possible, that if it does not secumb to Islam, Christianity will eventually be replaced by a belief that is a mixture of the current social values, science, and some religious overtures. Something that is plausible, and attractive, to educated and thinking people. People that see present, immediate benefits and knowledge from participation.

The worlds people are now, and in the future, being educated. Education usually leads to questions about ideals previously followed blindly on handed-down information. Education seems to teach the mind to be inquisitive and at the same time skeptical.

DanF I love your sig.! If we all could just get what it says through our heads :) most of the troubles in todays world would just cease to exist :)

And what can I say as just one personallity in billions of personalities relative to your post? "Holy Smokes!" That is the best that I can come up with for an adjective :)

Dan I think that you are right! Inviolable :) , my Christian brother, Dan has, "The kicker :) !" He does you know :)

tuck

I think Christianity is always going to be around, actually what Dan is saying sounds has if it came out of the book of revelations. Taking it out of perspective a little.

Thats not the reason I think it will always be around. The idea of Christianity is more then just a set of values. It's a moment of clarity that is easily reached.
The kind of clarity that couldn't be forgotten.

Inviolable, Jesus came to save the world. Christianity just hanging around just isn't enough. What if you and I and others like us took DanF's input and under the guidance of the Holy Spirit stepped out there and said, "Hello :) !?"

Christianity is like a messageboard. The question is, "How do you keep it a living thing?" "How to you create a reality where folks that would destroy it (and it is probably not their fault) are allowed to play in some sort of a controlled sense?"

The Christian Saints went into Pagan Europe and brought Jesus to the world in a sticky way. Yes alot of Christianity's tradition is Pagan :) but Jesus is still there. Those that Love Him can still play.

We as Christians now live in a different world and Dan has chrystallized our challenge in today's world, using words :) And Sparky don't mind if we explore that challenge on all Forums.net (these folks give us, as Lovers of Jesus, a gift). I love them and thank God for them! And when we can get Dan (and others) to speak, we have to add Dan (and others) to that gift, as Christians sharing our treasure with others in today's world.

You can't actually promote Christianity on a Christian messageboard. You are only a "choosen one" if you agree with them. And that ain't (for you non english speaking folks, "ain't" is considered uneducated english.) what Jesus was about. That is what the Jews were about and "they" strung Him/Jesus up :) .

I don't know Inviolable, are we going to fast here for you? I think that Dan is keeping up, and I think that he and others like him are a gift to Christianity, if we want to keep Christianity, "a living thing."

tuck

uhhh no, thats kind of why I said what I did.
It's a moment of clarity and one that I think cant be promoted like a big mac.

uhhh no, thats kind of why I said what I did.
It's a moment of clarity and one that I think cant be promoted like a big mac.

Son, everything can be promoted! It is just figureing out how it can be done :) People are poeple :)

You are on a mission and I love your mission! The only question to the Holy Spirit is, "How can it be done?" This is what we are playing with :)

We actually have no limits when God and Sparky are involved :) other than some social limits :) which actually are a good idea.

Does any of this make any sense? :)

Love,

tuck