There have been many great disasters in American History. Some might say
the War of 1812 which among other things saw the burning of every governmental
structure in Washington D.C. and the defeat of the American Army by Canada as the
U. S. tried to take over Canada and make it part of the U. S.

Others might point to the Battle of Gettysburg, which in three days
(July 1 to July 3, 1863) claimed 51,112 casualties; Or, the Battle of Chickamauga,
(September 19-20, 1863) that claimed 34,624 in two days; or; the Battle of
Chancellorsville, (May 1-4, 1863) which resulted in 30,099 casualties in four days;
or, the Battle of Spotsylvania (May 8-19, 1864) with its 27,399 casualties. In
addition there are another ten or so civil war battles, whose casualties were each
in the tens of thousands of American dead or wounded.

Still others might point to:

May 31, 1889 burst dam, Johnstown, PA, about 3,000 dead
April 18, 1906, San Francisco earthquake and Fire, about 3000 dead.
April 27, 1865 , Mississippi River Ship Disaster, 1,547 dead.
Sept. 7, 1900, Galveston, TX, Hurricane, about 8,000 dead.
June 15, 1904, Paddleboat Fire, NYC, 1,031 dead.
Sept 16, 1928, hurricane, Okeechobee FL, about 2,400 dead.
October 8 to October 10, 1871, The Chicago Fire, killing hundreds
and destroying about four square miles in Chicago, Illinois.

And. of course there is:

December 7, 1941, Pearl Harbor, over 2400 dead.
April 19, 1995, Oklahoma City bombing, 168 dead, hundreds injured.

For those of us that only live in the present there is:

Sept 11, 2001, (AKA 911), 2,974 dead

August 29, 2005, Hurricane Katrina, destroyed an entire American City.

Any of the above qualify for the greatest American Disaster. But, in reality,
the greatest Disaster in the History of America, resulted in no deaths and no
injuries. As a matter of fact, there being no death was the greatest of all
Disasters for the country and people of the United States of America.

The Greatest American Disaster, tragedy, mishap, or single piece of bad luck occurred on
September 2, 1944. This was the day that a 20-year-old naval aviator named George Bush
was shot from the sky by the JAPS during WWII. Unfortunately for America and many
parts of the world, George Bush Lived. His survival subjected America to his four
years of NOTHING as president; but, the real tragedy for America is that his surviving
gave us his son, the current and worst president of the U.S. Had Japan done the one
good, great deed of World War II, the elimination of George Bush Sr., we would not be
in Iraq today, tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of innocent men, woman,
and children would not be dead. Thousands upon thousands of American soldiers would not
have various combinations of body parts missing. The United States would not be a Nation
in horrendous national debt and hated throughout the world. There would be no Justice
Thomas, Roberts, Scalia, or Alito, four total pieces of right-wing, Christian crap. And,
America would have been spared the total incompetence, ignorance, and vileness of
Dick Cheney, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld, and a whole host of right-wing,
homophobic, bigoted, racist, woman suppressing, christian creeps, all of whom live, work,
and play in the giant toilet bowl that is known as the Republican Party of America.

Greatest American disaster?

That's about the dumbest thing I've read on here in a long, long time. Did you think that up all by yourself or have you copy/pasted someone else's blatherings?

Antietam Creek, Civil War. Don't need to look that up either.

Greatest American disaster?

That's about the dumbest thing I've read on here in a long, long time. Did you think that up all by yourself or have you copy/pasted someone else's blatherings?
Nah - it's just the ramblings of that nutball, Lance Zuma again, Es. He's a one trick pony if ever I've seen one.

Now we can chalk up hurricanes, earthquakes, fires, dam breakages, and of course......::drum roll, please::......the Bush family to America's long list of national disasters.

Profundity at it's best.

Some in this part of the country might say Chancellorsville, due to the loss of Jackson.

Some in this part of the country might say Chancellorsville, due to the loss of Jackson.

True, true... accidentally shot by his own men."Let us go over the river, and sit in the shade of the trees."

He was a great general. He's cool---I like him.

Thousands upon thousands of American soldiers would not
have various combinations of body parts missing. The United States would not be a Nation
in horrendous national debt and hated throughout the world. There would be no Justice
Thomas, Roberts, Scalia, or Alito, four total pieces of right-wing, Christian crap. And,
America would have been spared the total incompetence, ignorance, and vileness of
Dick Cheney, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld, and a whole host of right-wing,
homophobic, bigoted, racist, woman suppressing, christian creeps, all of whom live, work,
and play in the giant toilet bowl that is known as the Republican Party of America.


Bravo, Lance.

Fantastic post.

Truer words were never spoken with relation to Dick Cheney, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld and their cabal of RightWing,
homophobic, bigoted, racist ilk being the scum of the earth.

Whatever, FT - I question whether or not you're Lance Zuma.

True, true... accidentally shot by his own men."Let us go over the river, and sit in the shade of the trees."

He was a great general. He's cool---I like him.Longstreet was later shoot, freindly fire also, in almost the same place. He was able to return to service after 9? months.

George Bush Lived. His survival subjected America to his four
years of NOTHING as president; but, the real tragedy for America is that his surviving
gave us his son, the current and worst president of the U.S. Had Japan done the one
good, great deed of World War II, the elimination of George Bush Sr. in the giant toilet bowl that is known as the Republican Party of America.

That is the most ridiculous thing i even heard. To wish an event was altered in history such as the death of someone to prevent the birth of another is fucking insanity. To claim that a good deed by another party is plain foolishness.

If we are going to go along with the whole "time machine" theory why dont we kill the father of alchemist Wei Boyang,the father of gun powder. Or how about the leader of the first tribe of cave men that attacked their neighbors.
or how about we alter the past enough where bin laden was never born. Thus no 9/11.

Those scenarios are insane because if it wasn't for Boyang,someone else would of did it. If that leader of the cavemen clan didn't attack,who is to say the neighbors wouldn't of attacked them.

Though out history there are many "wrongs". The simple fact that they are "wrongs" is even a debatable topic. Wishing for people to have died decades ago to hope for an altered reality is way out of wack. If you feel that strongly against the republican party do not wish death on others. Go out there and lobby for your candidate of choice.

In a nut shell...You proudly wish someone died to prevent the birth of their offspring,so 40 years later they wouldn't go to war. did I process this correctly?


We have people wishing for the deaths of people,even complaining for the turn of events on here.....and i get picked on for a Ronald Mcdonald drive by

I actually liked that Ronald McDonald/Burger King driveby thingie.

So sue me.

:smile2:

I actually liked that Ronald McDonald/Burger King driveby thingie.

So sue me.

:smile2:

I second that.

I actually liked that Ronald McDonald/Burger King driveby thingie.Me, too. I even called my boys in to see it. But a little goes a long way.

Longstreet was later shoot, freindly fire also, in almost the same place. He was able to return to service after 9? months.

I didn't know that.
Good lord, no wonder you guys lost.:D

Lance, That wasn't profound, clever or funny.

But congratulations, FT liked it. You must be very proud.
I predict accolades from Dhrama Queen very soon.

I don't know, Brooks.
Lance's write up on the War of 1812 was the most profound and accurate historical article I've yet to read.

I don't know, Brooks.
Lance's write up on the War of 1812 was the most profound and accurate historical article I've yet to read.

Yet ...Nvet,you Doofus.
When Iraqi Freedom is complete,the Historical record
wil read thusly.

Arguably one of History's most unravelling and difficult Wars,
undertaken by the Courageous efforts of our 43th President George
Walker Bush.Literally staking his entire political career
on the gamble that setting up a Democratic state in the hub of
the Middle East,Iraq,in response to a brutal and corrupting
Dictator and his sadist sons,would prepare and help stabilize
that region for a better outlook and prospect of Hope in the new
Millenium.Not one to cower and shirk his dire responsibility,as did
the previous President,especially given the most brutal onslaught
of Terror,ever to hit our shores on 9/11.
Facing weekly,daily and even hourly challenges,by both renegade
and imported insurgents,as well a highly bias liberal media,President
Bush stood his ground and patiently perservered,in light of these near
untenable difficulties.
Gradually and with virtue,such as Fortitude and Courage,President Bush
set timely course for Winning,instead of the jeering attempts,he faced
daily by Political foe,to the contrary.
Not to be distracted or overwhelmed by the apparent import of
Poll numbers,President Bush carried with a heavy Heart,much of
the burden and load that winning,in the heat of daily battlles,both at home
with his opposition party,and In Iraq with fracturing political will to
succeed,lay at his doorstep.
----- to be continued ---- !

"doofus"?

I was making fun., Sir.

"doofus"?

I was making fun., Sir.

Yup,that's the Problem with the left.And those Leftists.
Everythings a Big Joke.
Sandy Berger Stealing classified Documents down his pants
is a BiG Hee Haw.
Bill Clinton,dropping his cigar for Monica to clean off the floor
and likewise his skivvies is a Big Gaffuw.
Since Liberals Hate to Wage and Fight wars,based solely on
being little Peacknik,Wimpy Wuss Pansies,the better to propogate more
of the same,to the detriment of this Country,and the favof
of Terrorists,who like the fact,that America is becoming weak
and a paper tiger,like Clinton/Berger/Albright,WERE.
Liberals laughing at how stupid our President is,even when his
policies drove an inherited recession,away.
The War in Iraq is NOT fun or a thing to take,less than
innensely serious.
Terrorist know how serious the War in Iraq IS.
Why can't Leftists like Reid,Pelosi and all Dem candidates.?

=
Arguably one of History's most unravelling and difficult Wars,
undertaken by the Courageous efforts of our 43th President George
Walker Bush.Literally staking his entire political career
on the gamble that setting up a Democratic state in the hub of
the Middle East,Iraq,in response to a brutal and corrupting
Dictator and his sadist sons,would prepare and help stabilize
that region for a better outlook and prospect of Hope in the new
Millenium.Not one to cower and shirk his dire responsibility,as did
the previous President,especially given the most brutal onslaught
of Terror,ever to hit our shores on 9/11.

----- to be continued ---- !

ok..i think you have gone off the deepend here.
So any president can just a declare war which is "difficult" and we can call him a hero? Even if it is the biggest reckless blunder in the history of the United States.

Middle East has democracy! Egypt, Iran?
IF we want to take out a brutal dictator or brutal government, why not N. Korea? Kim has been firing missles over Japan for years now. You have your tongue so far up Bush's ass, you can't see the light!!

What is safety, when we have to take our shoes off at the airport? What is safety when Americans are afraid to travel overseas, because now we are hated so much. And don't tell me that well the world can hate us. That hate creats terrorists attacks. That is not safety, sir!

Finally why did the 9/11 happen on Bush's watch? I'll tell you why. Because the anti-isreal people (arabs and such), knew that this wacked out christian president of ours is only going to push the Israeli and Christian agenda in the middle east. THAT IS WHAT THIS WAR IS ABOUT!! Preparing the middle east for the second coming!!

I have even heard senators say "we won't give up the holy land". There is some scary shit going on people!! I also feel that the staunch supporters of bush quietly believe this and that is why he has so much "blind" support because he is doing "god's work".

Never in the history of the US have we seen such staunch followers. Religion can make people crazy then we are no different than fundamentalists in Middle East.

:rolleyes:

This is the greatest disaster this forum has ever had...

Really Ren, Foolsworth aint much for subtlety...or coherence for that matter. But we love him anyway. :)

This country survived "Peanut", we'll also survive "Chimp".

1. What is safety, when we have to take our shoes off at the airport?
2. What is safety when Americans are afraid to travel overseas, because now we are hated so much.
3. Finally why did the 9/11 happen on Bush's watch? I'll tell you why. Because the anti-isreal people (arabs and such), knew that this wacked out christian president of ours is only going to push the Israeli and Christian agenda in the middle east.
I have even heard senators say "we won't give up the holy land".
4. .... that is why he has so much "blind" support because he is doing "god's work".
5. Never in the history of the US have we seen such staunch followers. Religion can make people crazy then we are no different than fundamentalists in Middle East.
1. Did you think metal detectors were too intrusive ten years ago? Their purpose was to detect threats. New threats can't be detected the same ways any longer.
How is the idea of passenger searches any worse now than it used to be?

2. This is nothing new.

3. So the entire operation was planned, practiced and pulled off in under nine months? This is new information that was apparently not available to the 9/11 Comission.

4. Is blind support any different than automatic blind disagreement. Your knee-jerk reaction to this administrations actions is no different, intellectually, than those you are criticizing.

5. Stupid and cliched.

1. Did you think metal detectors were too intrusive ten years ago? Their purpose was to detect threats. New threats can't be detected the same ways any longer.
How is the idea of passenger searches any worse now than it used to be?

2. This is nothing new.

3. So the entire operation was planned, practiced and pulled off in under nine months? This is new information that was apparently not available to the 9/11 Comission.

4. Is blind support any different than automatic blind disagreement. Your knee-jerk reaction to this administrations actions is no different, intellectually, than those you are criticizing.

5. Stupid and cliched. You are becoming a bore.

I totally agree, Brooks. It seems now the president is being criticized for keeping people safe. Guess only a few suicide bombers in our midst would make the Libs happy these days. Security within our own borders sure hasn't done anything for them.

But you have to give them credit for one thing... at least they're consistent. I've never seen as many crybabies in one place as there are at Allforums.

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t33/texrose752/crybaby.jpg

Ah well, what should we expect from people who think we fought the War of 1812 because we wanted to take over Canada?

The war was fought because the Limeys were conscripting our sailors and not allowing us to trade freely. That is the ONLY reason...besides that the British wanted another go-round with us. The British mascot of a bulldog is appropriate!

I can't think of a single self-respecting nation who'd put up with such a thing.

December 12, 2000

The day the Supreme Court stopped the legal vote counting in Florida thus insuring that George Bush would become the next resident of the White House.

That has been a disaster ever since.

December 12, 2000

The day the Supreme Court stopped the legal vote counting....
Tool. :rolleyes:

I suggest you brush up on what actually happened.

Tool. :rolleyes:

I suggest you brush up on what actually happened.

Obviously you were looking in a mirror when you wrote that because truthout is absolutely correct.

I'm not wasting my time with you, Dharma. You would think the Supreme Court stopped "legal" vote counting, on what was it again.......the 3rd or 4th go-round?

Hack.

I'm not wasting my time with you, Dharma.

Because you know you will lose. As always.


You would think the Supreme Court stopped "legal" vote counting, on what was it again.......the 3rd or 4th go-round?

The U.S. supreme court stopped the recount in Florida because it claimed it would do "harm" to George W. Bush.

The supreme court lacks the Constitutional authority to intercede in an election in the states. The state supreme court of Florida was the only body that has Constitutional authorirty to do that and they refused, which is why Jams Baker and Samual Alito went begging to the U.S. Supreme court to stop the recount.

Your ignorance of the Constitution would suprise me except I already know that you fundamentally do not give a shit about the Constitution.


Hack.

Hypocritical Troll.

Thanks dharmabum,

It is distressing to me how little knowledge there is of our founding document, the US Constitution, and how members of Congress pledge to uphold the Constitution and barely know anything about it!

Thus, December 12, 2000 was one of America's Greatest Disasters. Never before had a Supreme Court actually chosen a President of the United States...

Forget the 10th Amendment, too. That was ALSO rendered irrelevant by the Court.

hahaha is all i have to say about this thread, sorry.

Ah well, what should we expect from people who think we fought the War of 1812 because we wanted to take over Canada?

The war was fought because the Limeys were conscripting our sailors and not allowing us to trade freely. That is the ONLY reason...besides that the British wanted another go-round with us. The British mascot of a bulldog is appropriate!

I can't think of a single self-respecting nation who'd put up with such a thing.

Ah rendova, you disappoint me. I don't want to hijack the thread, but
it was the "Embargo Act" passed by Congress in 1807, which restricted trade with Europe.
Madison was having success persuading the Royal Navy to cease boarding US ships. In fact he was against the war! He was forced into it by the "War Hawks" of Clay and Calhoun. They desired more land and sought to invade Canada while Britain was still involved with France.
Start a new thread if you want to debate it further.

The Greatest American Disaster, tragedy, mishap, or single piece of bad luck occurred on
September 2, 1944. This was the day that a 20-year-old naval aviator named George Bush
was shot from the sky by the JAPS during WWII. Unfortunately for America and many
parts of the world, George Bush Lived. His survival subjected America to his four
years of NOTHING as president; but, the real tragedy for America is that his surviving
gave us his son, the current and worst president of the U.S. Had Japan done the one
good, great deed of World War II, the elimination of George Bush Sr., we would not be
in Iraq today, tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of innocent men, woman,
and children would not be dead. Thousands upon thousands of American soldiers would not
have various combinations of body parts missing. The United States would not be a Nation
in horrendous national debt and hated throughout the world. There would be no Justice
Thomas, Roberts, Scalia, or Alito, four total pieces of right-wing, Christian crap. And,
America would have been spared the total incompetence, ignorance, and vileness of
Dick Cheney, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld, and a whole host of right-wing,
homophobic, bigoted, racist, woman suppressing, christian creeps, all of whom live, work,
and play in the giant toilet bowl that is known as the Republican Party of America.
You, my misguided friend, are as full of shit as a Christmas turkey. You do nothing but point fingers at those you do not like. I could say the same of any of your socialist/communist friends. To compare GW (which I have no love for... BTW) to a natural disaster (you left out FDR and Truman... as far as MILLIONS of innocent people killed... BTW) is asinine. I grow weary of the leftist pinko arguments that someone who lost an election really won it. Al Gore is a self-defeating whine ass (and Kerry is a flip-flopping waste of oxygen). Run a decent "true" socialist candidate... and we will see how far you dumb asses get. Worst disaster my corn-bread ass. As far as your accusations of bigotry.... who has had TWO black secretary of states(one of which is female)? How about a VP who has a lesbian daughter? Who has done more as far as race and gender than the idiot-in-chief we have now?

Bah... you are a waste of my time and effort. I know better than to argue with a fool, it's just that there are so many of you on here (and I am so incredibly bored).

Originally Posted by Lance_Zuma
The Greatest American Disaster, tragedy, mishap, or single piece of bad luck occurred on
September 2, 1944. This was the day that a 20-year-old naval aviator named George Bush
was shot from the sky by the JAPS during WWII. Unfortunately for America and many
parts of the world, George Bush Lived. His survival subjected America to his four
years of NOTHING as president; but, the real tragedy for America is that his surviving
gave us his son, the current and worst president of the U.S. Had Japan done the one
good, great deed of World War II, the elimination of George Bush Sr., we would not be
in Iraq today, tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of innocent men, woman,
and children would not be dead. Thousands upon thousands of American soldiers would not
have various combinations of body parts missing. The United States would not be a Nation
in horrendous national debt and hated throughout the world. There would be no Justice
Thomas, Roberts, Scalia, or Alito, four total pieces of right-wing, Christian crap. And,
America would have been spared the total incompetence, ignorance, and vileness of
Dick Cheney, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld, and a whole host of right-wing,
homophobic, bigoted, racist, woman suppressing, christian creeps, all of whom live, work,
and play in the giant toilet bowl that is known as the Republican Party of America.


Actually Lance makes some excellent points. But, unlike his son, George Herbert Walker Bush was actually serving his country. There were millions of deaths during WWII, and I would not have wished another death. In fact, had George JR actually listened to his father, as well as his advisors, and even the recently released video of Dickless Cheney which I posted elsewhere, and TAKEN their advice, we would not be in Iraq. Had George JR actually listened to his campaign speeches in 2000 asking for a humble foreign policy we might not be in Iraq. OF COURSE, this nation would have been much better off if the will of the voters was respected in 2000. President Gore would not have started such a foolish and illegal war.

Thus, December 12, 2000 was one of America's Greatest Disasters. Never before had a Supreme Court actually chosen a President of the United States... "truth"out, You don't even know what the Supreme Court's decision really entailed, do you?
Tell us what they decided (even Google it, we'll all think you knew and you'll learn something).

Greatest American disaster?

That's about the dumbest thing I've read on here in a long, long time. Did you think that up all by yourself or have you copy/pasted someone else's blatherings?
I think this is a serious thread. Of course, it may have been meant for a joke.

Ah rendova, you disappoint me. I don't want to hijack the thread, but
it was the "Embargo Act" passed by Congress in 1807, which restricted trade with Europe.
Madison was having success persuading the Royal Navy to cease boarding US ships. In fact he was against the war! He was forced into it by the "War Hawks" of Clay and Calhoun. They desired more land and sought to invade Canada while Britain was still involved with France.
Start a new thread if you want to debate it further.

Will do, oldtimer. :)

PS Didn't Madison send a message to Congress that accused England of declaring war on American commerce? (12th Congress)