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es347fan
08-12-2007, 03:14 AM
Aug. 9, 2007 - In 1943, U.S. servicemen stationed in Iraq were issued a pocket-size 41-page book entitled “A Short Guide to Iraq.” In straightforward prose, the book gave American soldiers a primer to help them through the cultural snarls and byways of the country in which they were stationed. They learned a little history, a little geography and a smattering of vocabulary and grammar.
In light of what we know about Iraq and the Middle East today, the book’s contents look a little slight. But when you reflect on what Americans knew about a then-obscure corner of the world in 1943, it looks like a godsend. Back then there was no television to beam a country’s culture into living rooms around the world. You couldn’t Google “Iraq” and learn basic history and culture on the fly. “A Short Guide to Iraq”—recently republished by the University of Chicago Press as “Instructions for American Servicemen in Iraq During World War II”—filled a big gap in the knowledge of American troops in Iraq, and its overall message was certainly admirable: “You aren’t going to Iraq to change the Iraqis. Just the opposite. We are fighting this war to preserve the principle of ‘live and let live.’ Maybe that sounded like a lot of words to you at home. Now you have a chance to prove it to yourself and others. If you can, it’s going to be a better world to live in for all of us.”
Over and over, the book offers advice built upon the twin notions of tolerance and respect:
“Bread to the Moslems is holy. Don’t throw scraps of it about or let it fall on the ground.”
“In a house or a tent, follow the rule of your host. If he takes off his shoes on entering, do the same.”
Some of the advice is embarrassingly dated, not so much in what it says as how it says it: “If you should see grown men walking hand in hand, ignore it. They are not ‘queer'.” Some of it is, in light of contemporary conditions, laughably understated: “The Iraqis have some religious and tribal differences among themselves.” But to their credit, the anonymous authors of this book never try to oversimplify or make something out to be less complex than it is: “It is a good idea in any foreign country to avoid any religious or political discussions. This is even truer in Iraq than most countries, because it happens that here the Moslems themselves are divided into two factions something like our division into Catholic and Protestant denominations—so don’t put in your two cents worth when Iraqis argue about religion. There are also political differences in Iraq that have puzzled diplomats and statesmen.”
In his introduction to the new edition of the “Short Guide,” Lt. Col. John Nagl reserves his highest praise for the space—a quarter of the book—devoted to Arabic. “It is impossible to build personal relationships with local leaders, police chiefs and Iraqi army officers without being able to engage in dialogue with them,” writes Nagl, who was stationed in Iraq in 2003-2004, “but capable, trustworthy interpreters were my scarcest resource.”
Nagl sounds downright wistful when he laments not having a guidebook like this one when he went to Iraq four years ago: “As the month of fasting called Ramadan approached in November 2003, I would have appreciated knowing that ‘Moslem tempers are very short during this month as yours would be under similar circumstances’—and perhaps I would have been better prepared for the surge of violence that marked this celebration in our sector.”
According to Col. Steven Mains, Nagl should have been given written information on Iraq when he was there, information collected and published by the U.S. Army’s Center for Army Lessons Learned (CALL). Such information—facts about the culture, instructions on survival techniques—was being disseminated at the time, according to Mains, the center’s director. Created in 1985, CALL operates in part as a sort of permanent feedback loop, taking the knowledge learned by soldiers on the ground and relaying it back to the center, where it can be organized and published to educate raw recruits. Every branch of the military now has its own version of CALL, which publishes about 110 titles annually and this year published three different editions of a survival guide called “The First 100 Days—Soldier Handbook,” with most of the advice coming from combat veterans.
Mains says he has no idea why the information prepared by the Army never reached Nagl in the field. Clearly it was not for want of trying. CALL spends around $16 million annually in the name of better educating Army personnel. And truly, the question is not so much whether the Army understands Iraq but whether or not the people who sent the Army to Iraq understand that country. As Nagl perceives so well, the people who wrote the 1943 booklet—and by extension the government behind them—wanted two things: they wanted to win the war and they wanted to do it honorably. That is, they did not want to sacrifice or shortcut American values, and if we thought we were better than the Nazis, we had to prove it to our allies.
“It is almost impossible,” Nagl writes, “when reading this guide, not to slap oneself on the forehead in despair that the Army knew so much of Arabic culture and customs, and of the importance of that knowledge for achieving military success in Iraq, six decades ago—and forgot almost all of those lessons in the intervening years.” The only thing wrong with that statement is that Nagl did not aim his criticism a little higher. It wasn’t the Army that thought such knowledge was useless, it was the people above them—the Wolfowitzes, Cheneys, Feiths and Rumsfelds—who behaved as though none of that mattered when they ordered the Army into Iraq.
The chief value of “Instructions for American Servicemen in Iraq During World War II” is that it reminds us that there was a time, not so long ago, when America expected its troops abroad to be not only brave and resourceful fighters but also upstanding citizens who were expected to be generous, kind and respectful of other people and other cultures—model Americans, in other words. No wonder they called it “the good war.”

Lessons from 1943 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20203752/site/newsweek/page/0/)


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Slevin57
08-12-2007, 04:29 AM
Erm US Troops do learn about Iraqi culture. It's all in the briefing they get before they go overseas. At least the Pentagon says they get it.

es347fan
08-12-2007, 07:34 AM
Have you spoken with anyone that's been to Iraq?

500lbguerilla
08-12-2007, 03:10 PM
Advice to WWII Soldiers in Iraq Relevant Today
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12637899

Nagl says that soldiers do learn about Iraqi culture and customs during predeployment training and that they often discuss such issues on the ground.

But he says what he missed most from not having the manual with him was "the sense of who the Iraqi people are."

"I came to know them as very generous, very concerned for their families, very proud, and fiercely loyal to their families and to their tribes," Nagl says.

Nagl says he is trying to teach the soldiers he trains that the relationships they build "over cups of tea" with Iraqi partners are perhaps the most important component to eventual U.S. victory in the war.

"One of the quotes I found most appealing in the book was that 'Americans success or failure in Iraq may well depend on whether the Iraqis like American soldiers or not,'" he says.

Jester
08-13-2007, 01:13 AM
Erm US Troops do learn about Iraqi culture. It's all in the briefing they get before they go overseas. At least the Pentagon says they get it.
It's true, you'll get a briefing on Iraqi culture at least once before you deploy.

Merceditas
08-13-2007, 01:32 AM
Have you spoken with anyone that's been to Iraq?

Sure, I have. And? They are taught about the country they are going into. So?

es347fan
08-13-2007, 01:44 AM
Sure, I have. And? They are taught about the country they are going into. So?

A one time briefing as compared to a book to carry. Big difference. Both should be made available.

Merceditas
08-13-2007, 01:50 AM
A one time briefing as compared to a book to carry. Big difference. Both should be made available.

A book to carry? Have you been in a warzone as a grunt???

es347fan
08-13-2007, 01:56 AM
As a grunt? No. Have you?

The publicaton being discussed here is " ... a pocket-size 41-page book ... ", not a weighty tome.

TurdFerguson
08-13-2007, 10:09 AM
es, as a contractor, I’ve attended the same briefings that the soldiers receive prior to each deployment. Been there, done that 4 times now. The only time I was actually issued a copy of the book was prior to my first trip in 2003. Overall, the book was fairly informative.:thumbs:

Merceditas
08-13-2007, 04:27 PM
As a grunt? No. Have you?

The publicaton being discussed here is " ... a pocket-size 41-page book ... ", not a weighty tome.

No I have not, but 2 of my sons are US Marines and both were in Iraq. I'll ask them if they believe a book like this would have helped them much...:@@:

Travh20
08-13-2007, 04:35 PM
A book to carry? Have you been in a warzone as a grunt???

I have, and we used to cary books like that around inside our helmets. In fact more then one of them. translation books, customs books, phrases books, a hell of a lot of books. I should say booklets, as in pocket sized paperback booklets. As well as target reference cards, captured weapons tags, casualty cards, and about 10 other cards to fill out in certain events. Also laminated maps and those plastic handcuffs. All inside a plastic bag in the top of the helmet webbing. Maybe thats why my helmet was so damn heavy.

Jester
08-13-2007, 05:13 PM
No I have not, but 2 of my sons are US Marines and both were in Iraq. I'll ask them if they believe a book like this would have helped them much...:@@:
I imagine its helpfulness would depend on your MOS and your mission over there. If they involve a lot of interaction with Iraqis then such a book would certainly be useful.

Jester
08-13-2007, 05:13 PM
I have, and we used to cary books like that around inside our helmets. In fact more then one of them. translation books, customs books, phrases books, a hell of a lot of books. I should say booklets, as in pocket sized paperback booklets. As well as target reference cards, captured weapons tags, casualty cards, and about 10 other cards to fill out in certain events. Also laminated maps and those plastic handcuffs. All inside a plastic bag in the top of the helmet webbing. Maybe thats why my helmet was so damn heavy.
Dang, did BDUs not have cargo pockets back then?

es347fan
08-13-2007, 09:17 PM
Dang, did BDUs not have cargo pockets back then?

Before the age of BDUs, soldiers wore simple fatigues: a long sleeved shirt with 2 chest pockets (the more gung-ho types had those pockets sewn shut) and simple 4 pocket trousers. Other than being a strange shade of green, they weren't much different than wearing a button-down long sleeved shirt & trousers, held up with a simple canvas belt with a bright brass buckle. Fatigues were not to be worn off-post, other than while in transit to or from one's "authorized" off base quarters. One was expected to "break starch" daily. Somewhere in the early/mid 70's "perma-press" fatigues came into use, and a few years later BDUs were introduced. It wasn't until the BDUs came out that soldiers had enough pockets.

Travh20
08-14-2007, 11:11 AM
Dang, did BDUs not have cargo pockets back then?

ya they did but we had to cvarry it in our helmets

Merceditas
08-14-2007, 07:15 PM
I imagine its helpfulness would depend on your MOS and your mission over there. If they involve a lot of interaction with Iraqis then such a book would certainly be useful.

I agree. I suspect I missed something in the first post.

Merceditas
08-14-2007, 07:17 PM
I have, and we used to cary books like that around inside our helmets. In fact more then one of them. translation books, customs books, phrases books, a hell of a lot of books. I should say booklets, as in pocket sized paperback booklets. As well as target reference cards, captured weapons tags, casualty cards, and about 10 other cards to fill out in certain events. Also laminated maps and those plastic handcuffs. All inside a plastic bag in the top of the helmet webbing. Maybe thats why my helmet was so damn heavy.

When what that and what branch of the service were you in, please?

And I do believe it mostly depends on your MOS and your mission, as someone else pointed out.

Travh20
08-15-2007, 09:37 AM
US Army Infantry early 1992-1995. They told us we needed all that stuff, never used most of it. mainly the handcuffs.

Merceditas
08-23-2007, 09:15 PM
US Army Infantry early 1992-1995. They told us we needed all that stuff, never used most of it. mainly the handcuffs.


wow......Sorry I missed your response. Thanks.

Those of us stateside who have had to watch our loved ones go off to war, are always learning more as time goes by.....