http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/08/08/att-censored-antibush_n_59722.html

"This was not intended and was an unfortunate mistake made by a webcast editor." Ya right,tell me another one.......

The government should never censor song lyrics but I have no problem with a private company doing so any more than I have a problem with a private individual doing so.

Business establishments have a right to decide what is played.

As we also have a right to condemn a business for doing so.

The music-buying public has sort of been censoring Pearl Jam for about ten years now.

and to scream at the top of our lungs against the ear shattering elevator music.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/08/08/att-censored-antibush_n_59722.html

"This was not intended and was an unfortunate mistake made by a webcast editor." Ya right,tell me another one.......

Welcome to the world of Big Brother, Inc. (formerly known as the United States of America) :)

Welcome to the world of Big Brother, Inc. (formerly known as the United States of America) :)


Another post by Dharmabum that is simply another of his unwarranted attacks directed toward GWB and his administration. This is not the government (Big Brother) censoring Pearl Jam. It is a private company. Are you suggesting private companies do not have the right to censor what music they play. AT&T said it was a mistake and not done intentionally but even if it was done intentionally that would be AT&T's right.

Your constant attacks of the administration became old long ago and have nw entered the realm of partisan loopiness. You don't like President Bush. We get that. If you wish to attack him for things he has done, fine, I usually don't agree with you but I can understand your point of view. Attacking him and the administration for things in which they are not even peripherally involved shows you to be nothing but a partisan hack.

Ah, I <3 alarmists.

Ah, I <3 alarmists.

What is <3 ? :(

Every time I see it, in my head I automatically say less than three. "Ah, I less than three alarmists."

What is <3 ? :(http://messenger.msn.com/MMM2006-04-19_17.00/Resource/emoticons/heart.gif

it's no different than DTE Energy Theater out here saying that they won't allow Marilyn Manson to play there ever again. They don't like his lyrics and I'm sure the fact he peed on the crowd didn't help his case.

Is AT&T sponsoring their tour or concerts?

it's no different than DTE Energy Theater out here saying that they won't allow Marilyn Manson to play there ever again. They don't like his lyrics and I'm sure the fact he peed on the crowd didn't help his case.

Is AT&T sponsoring their tour or concerts? Well yes it is different because they said it was a mistake that the words were deleted from the Pearl Jam song. When did MM pee on the crowd? I never heard about that. ??

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J F C ... oh.

and thanks,

I think...maybe, well, I don't know

when hasn't he? It was right after DTE took over Pine Knob (this is a smaller outdoor venue here in Michigan) and it made all the news reports out here. I'd say it was maybe 4-5 years ago.

when hasn't he? It was right after DTE took over Pine Knob (this is a smaller outdoor venue here in Michigan) and it made all the news reports out here. I'd say it was maybe 4-5 years ago. When hasn't he what? The article I found did not say anything about him peeing on the audience. It said a security guard at the DTE theater alleged that Marilyn Manson rubbed his genitals against his neck.

he peed on the crowd....I live here and was at the concert,last one I ever went to of his too.

when hasn't he? It was right after DTE took over Pine Knob (this is a smaller outdoor venue here in Michigan) and it made all the news reports out here. I'd say it was maybe 4-5 years ago.

I can't find anything on it on "Google", but it would seem Manson played at the theater yesterday....

http://www.last.fm/event/232542

Well it was in 2001 that he was charged but I did not read anywhere that he urinated on the audience or was banned from playing that venue.

I can't find anything on it on "Google", but it would seem Manson played at the theater yesterday....

http://www.last.fm/event/232542


thank you Vile.....as I said it was 4-5 years ago so things probably changed. and afinertouch...trust me on this....he peed on the crowd...he's done worse at other venues

thank you Vile.....as I said it was 4-5 years ago so things probably changed. and afinertouch...trust me on this....he peed on the crowd...he's done worse at other venues Well when you say he peed on the crowd you mean some people in the crowd in the front right? I wonder why he did not get arrested for public lewdness. And if this was after the 2001 incident with the security guard, at the same venue, I wonder why they even let him come back again? What things has he done at other venues that were worse? I saw him a few years ago in San Francisco and while not really being a big fan I thought he put on a good show. And the audience, well that was another show in itself!

as I said,that was the last concert I ever seen or cared to see of his. Now,I have heard of the other things he does at his concerts,but cannot confirm them because I wasn't there,but from the views of other concert goers,he has spit,urinated and exposed himself onstage. Why he wasn't charged for these incidents,I don't know. maybe people expect that of him,I don't,but to each their own.

Originally Posted by dharmabum
Welcome to the world of Big Brother, Inc. (formerly known as the United States of America)

Another post by Dharmabum that is simply another of his unwarranted attacks directed toward GWB and his administration.

Excuse me, but nowhere in the post in question does Dharmabum mention GWB or his administration. Nowhere in the post does he blame GWB for the action in question, or attack him personally. He doesn't hint at GWB himself being the person responsible for the censorship.

I believe he was using *Big Brother* in a much more generalistic sense.

What he said was **the United States of America**.

The United States of America is much, much more than simply one politician and his administration.

This is not the government (Big Brother) censoring Pearl Jam. It is a private company.

True.

But can't a *private company* be part of that Orwellian entity that wants to monitor American's habits and buying preferences, that decides what Americans ought to be listening to and what they ought not be listening to, i.e., an integral part of the *Big Brother* who wants to keep the populace a group of docile, complacent consumers.......??

Can't a *private company* be a part of **the United States of America**.

It said a security guard at the DTE theater alleged that Marilyn Manson rubbed his genitals against his neck.If "his" means "his own", am I the only person here who can't do that?

he peed on the crowd....I live here and was at the concert,last one I ever went to of his too."It's time to be a Big Girl now,
And Big Girls don't cry."
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/queun/pissyferg-7147831.jpg

Big Girls Dont Cry...they blubber. dadumdum chh!

Anyone? Anyone?

People claiming that Marylin Manson has repeatedly "peed on the crowd" ------------1

Cites that provide evidence of that having ever occured ----------------------------0

Hmmmmmmmm........

People claiming that Marylin Manson has repeatedly "peed on the crowd" ------------1

Cites that provide evidence of that having ever occured ----------------------------0

Hmmmmmmmm........


I never said "repeatedly",I said he did at the show I was at and have heard others claim the same thing. Nowhere did I say "repeatedly":rolleyes:
And I don't feel the need to back something up I saw with my own two eyes. Heres a newflash,not everything gets put onto a website. Guess what,I just took a drink of water,wanna hunt down some websites other than this one that says "MichelleG. just took a drink of water"?

I never said "repeatedly",I said he did at the show I was at and have heard others claim the same thing. Nowhere did I say "repeatedly":rolleyes:
And I don't feel the need to back something up I saw with my own two eyes. Heres a newflash,not everything gets put onto a website. Guess what,I just took a drink of water,wanna hunt down some websites other than this one that says "MichelleG. just took a drink of water"?
Respectfully, Michelle - you drinking water isn't something anyone would care about, much less report (although I have read some pretty lame blogs), and moreover, when the people at a concert are allegedly pissed on by a headlining performer (of international notoriety, no less), then it's usually leaked (pardon the pun) somewhere. Radio stations, cameras (not to mention, webcasters), and various reporters are almost ALWAYS present at large venues.

Respectfully, Michelle - you drinking water isn't something anyone would care about, much less report (although I have read some pretty lame blogs), and moreover, when the people at a concert are allegedly pissed on by a headlining performer (of international notoriety, no less), then it's usually leaked (pardon the pun) somewhere. Radio stations, cameras (not to mention, webcasters), and various reporters are almost ALWAYS present at large venues.


ahh...that is what I hate so much about the internet....the sarcasm about me drinking water went completely over your head:rolleyes:
and did you happen to miss where I said it was a "smaller venue"?

I never said "repeatedly",I said he did at the show I was at and have heard others claim the same thing. Nowhere did I say "repeatedly":rolleyes:

No need for the ""rolleyes"", nitwit.

Because when someone questioned whether he indeed did pee on the crowd, your next response was -- ""when hasn't he? ""


And I don't feel the need to back something up I saw with my own two eyes. Heres a newflash,not everything gets put onto a website. Guess what,I just took a drink of water,wanna hunt down some websites other than this one that says "MichelleG. just took a drink of water"?

Surely even someone of your obviously limited intelligence can perceive that a top drawer rock star urinating on the people at a concert, in front of a huge crowd, is just a tad more newsworthy than your getting a drink of water, and would elicit SOME sort of mention in the publications that cover that sort of thing. And that said mentions would make their way to the internet.

Until you can provide ONE cite, I will remain convinced that you are either (a)not remembering correctly, or (b)you mistook what you saw, or (c)you're flat out fabricating the claim.

Mmmkay??

You want people to believe your incredible tales of rock concert debauchery? Post some shred of evidence.

Surely even someone of your obviously limited intelligence can perceive that a top drawer rock star urinating on the people at a concert, in front of a huge crowd, is just a tad more newsworthy than your getting a drink of water, and would elicit SOME sort of mention in the publications that cover that sort of thing. And that said mentions would make their way to the internet.

Until you can provide ONE cite, I will remain convinced that you are either (a)not remembering correctly, or (b)you mistook what you saw, or (c)you're flat out fabricating the claim.

Mmmkay??

You want people to believe your incredible tales of rock concert debauchery? Post some shred of evidence.
No shit...

ahh...that is what I hate so much about the internet....the sarcasm about me drinking water went completely over your head:rolleyes:
Oh, yeah....I just "missed it", is all. :rolleyes:

Sarcasm should typically bolster the point you're making, not obscure it.
and did you happen to miss where I said it was a "smaller venue"?
Yeah, I did - not that it's of any consequence, but whatever.....

As FT said, "Surely even someone of your obviously limited intelligence can perceive that a top drawer rock star urinating on the people at a concert, in front of a huge crowd, is just a tad more newsworthy than your getting a drink of water, and would elicit SOME sort of mention in the publications that cover that sort of thing."

Maybe he missed the "sarcasm" too, eh???

Aw, man.

You guys should never be on the same side. :eek:

Aw, man.

You guys should never be on the same side. :eek:

What can I tell you?

We both realize that fantastic claims (i.e., Marilyn Manson "peed on the crowd") require some shred of evidence to back them up.

Could he have done so?

Yes.

Have we seen any evidence?

No.

The DTE has its share of history- making events as well. A security guard, who worked for an outside company, charged Marilyn Manson with sexual assault in August 2001 after he allegedly performed a sexual act on his head. (The charges were later lowered to disorderly conduct.)

From the Link

http://search.cityguide.aol.com/detroit/entertainment/dte-energy-music-theatre/v-114069914

I believed you Michelle. :thumbs:

Welcome to the world of Big Brother, Inc. (formerly known as the United States of America) :)

Sounds better...

The United Corporations of América (or to be accurate "North América")

A security guard, who worked for an outside company, charged Marilyn Manson with sexual assault in August 2001 after he allegedly performed a sexual act on his head.

??

What does that mean, exactly?

........""a sexual act on his head""..................?

....charged Marilyn Manson with sexual assault in August 2001 after he allegedly performed a sexual act on his head. (The charges were later lowered to disorderly conduct.)
Ooooh, it's all so clear now - you see, everyone - he performed "a sexual act on his head" (whatever the fuck that means) at the DTE Energy Music Theatre (and was subsequently charged with "disorderly conduct"), so obviously - that means he must've peed on the crowd.

I don't know about you, FT, but I'm sold.

Sedan's right, you guys shouldn't ever be on the same side. It's weird.


http://www.metrotimes.com/editorial/story.asp?id=7159

I guess he didn't piss on the crowd. But he did rap his legs around the security guard's head and neck. According to the article, Manson was also wearing a leather thong and pantyhose.

I'd say this is worse than pissing on an audience.

I'd say this is worse than pissing on an audience.
I don't know about that, Googs....

Maybe in Abu Dhabi, or wherever you're from, but not here. (I simply couldn't resist throwing that in. :D)

I don't know about that, Googs....



Maybe in Abu Dhabi, or wherever you're from, but not here. (I simply couldn't resist throwing that in. :D)


Loool.....:thumbs:


Golden shower or a man dressed in pantyhose and a thong wrapping his legs around your neck? I'm not going to decide and hopefully I never be in a situation where I'd have to decide.....

However, I've come to the decision Marilyn Manson is a freak.

However, I've come to the decision Marilyn Manson is a freak.
What? You mean just recently???

http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncategorized/marilyn_manson_154.jpg

Yeah, me too. It did take awhile, though....

:lolhit:

It's amazing how far he goes to shock his audience. Everything he does is strictly for performance. It's strange.

I guess he (Manson) didn't piss on the crowd. But he did rap his legs around the security guard's head and neck. According to the article, Manson was also wearing a leather thong and pantyhose.

I see.

So now we find out that the assertion that he ""performed a sexual act on a security guard's head"" is just as completely unsubstantiated as the other claim that he "peed on the crowd".

Wrapping ones legs around an object --be it somoene's head or a light shade-- while wearing an article of clothing that covers the genitals does NOT constitute a "sex act".

I'd say this is worse than pissing on an audience.

I'd say that the various charges that have been leveled against Manson here have NOT been demonstrated to be true in any way.

Far from it.

This is how preposterous legends like --"Hey man!, Ozzy Osbourne bites the heads off bats during his shows!!"" -- get started.

(Osbourne did bite the head off one, but not purposely. He was thrown what he thought was a rubber toy from the crowd. He was aghast when he found out it was a real bat, and even more unhappy over the accidental beheading when he had to take a series of painfull rabies shots)

I like how freethinker sees a guy wearing a leather thong and pantyhose as wearing " wearing an article of clothing that covers the genitals "

I bet if some conservative was seen wearing it he would rip him a new one

I bet if some conservative was seen wearing it he would rip him a new one
Well, to be completely honest, Trav - so would I. But your point is well taken......any male who wears a thong is almost guaranteed to be a raging liberal. :D

I see.

So now we find out that the assertion that he ""performed a sexual act on a security guard's head"" is just as completely unsubstantiated as the other claim that he "peed on the crowd".

It was more than five years ago. She could have been mistaken.

Wrapping ones legs around an object --be it somoene's head or a light shade-- while wearing an article of clothing that covers the genitals does NOT constitute a "sex act".

The charges were lowered to disorderly conduct. And the object was someone's head and neck.


I'd say that the various charges that have been leveled against Manson here have NOT been demonstrated to be true in any way.

Far from it.

Manson plead no contest. Meaning he never admitted to or refuted the act.

This is how preposterous legends like --"Hey man!, Ozzy Osbourne bites the heads off bats during his shows!!"" -- get started.

(Osbourne did bite the head off one, but not purposely. He was thrown what he thought was a rubber toy from the crowd. He was aghast when he found out it was a real bat, and even more unhappy over the accidental beheading when he had to take a series of painfull rabies shots)


Interesting. Honestly, I don't listen to either one of them and I've rarely heard or read anything on any of them. This is probably the most I've ever talked about Manson.

I do remember reading something about M M being busted for some type of "indecent act" involving a security guard at a concert some years ago.

Many moons ago, the late, great Jim Morrison (of the Doors) was busted in Troy, NY for exposing himself at a concert. Didn't seem to slow him down any - he's still dead and still one of the earliest inductees to the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland, OH. Last time I was there, there was a letter on display from Morrison's father ( then a US Navy Admiral) to some disgruntled prosecutor regarding Jim's behaviors.

I choose to regard AT&T's "censorship" as the result of some overly zealous knuckleheaded employee rather than an indicator of corporate intervention.

I like how freethinker sees a guy wearing a leather thong and pantyhose as wearing " wearing an article of clothing that covers the genitals "

I bet if some conservative was seen wearing it he would rip him a new one

Well, yes.

I might.

But only if I had on hand a splintery wooden dildo wrapped in rusty barbed wire.

:thumbs:

Well, yes.

I might.

But only if I had on hand a splintery wooden dildo wrapped in rusty barbed wire.

:thumbs:
Be careful whom you pick your battles with there, old man. ;)

Is Prae thinking of a wardrobe change?

How did you know!?!? Was it that obvious?

Kind of reminds me of that obviously flamboyantly gay dude, coming out of the closet after three or four years of limp-wristed foolery, and still expecting you to be surprised.