Do you believe the bible is a handbook for the subjugation of women? I think if women followed what the bible says it has to be. I mean it surely has been a enemy of women's rights. :eek:

Do you believe the bible is a handbook for the subjugation of women? I think if women followed what the bible says it has to be. I mean it surely has been a enemy of women's rights. :eek:


It's like this.. Men are suppose to be head of the household but look how many of them depend on women for support and don't take care of their children? Not our fault we've had to step up to the plate and be the boss.

*wink*

"A Question for Women..."..

Darn. I thought it was gonna be a question about nail polish, panty hose, and jewelry.

"A Question for Women..."..

Darn. I thought it was gonna be a question about nail polish, panty hose, and jewelry.

No, it's a question to try and stir women up.

Oh, ok.

Will we win a diamond bracelet and a year's supply of pantyhose from afinertouch if we get it right?:)

If not, I 'm not gonna bestir myself. Too hot.

Oh, ok.

Will we win a diamond bracelet and a year's supply of pantyhose from afinertouch if we get it right?:)

If not, I 'm not gonna bestir myself. Too hot.

WRONG!

Oh wait...that's his line. I agree with you. Not worth the effort, especially since we didn't even get multiple choice options to answer with. Guess it's part of womens' suffering and all.

We do suffer, kimi. It sucks to be a Christian woman. We have to keep our mouths shut when there's smart menfolk around who spell and write better than we do and who have more money, until we find where they've hidden their wallets, and we have wear long dresses and bonnets when it's 110 degrees out...... while they can walk around with no shirt and a beer gut.

Life sure is unfair.

We do suffer, kimi. It sucks to be a Christian woman. We have to keep our mouths shut when there's smart menfolk around who spell and write better than we do and who have more money, until we find where they've hidden their wallets, and we have wear long dresses and bonnets when it's 110 degrees out...... while they can walk around with no shirt and a beer gut.

Life sure is unfair.


Isn't it though? But, we must be careful not to say anything negative about such things. We are women, after all, and we should know our place.

nail polish, panty hose, and jewelry.All these things are probably prohibited by the Bible.

Okay girls, off the internet and back into the kitchen. You know your places.


Don't make me tell you a second time.

Okay girls, off the internet and back into the kitchen. You know your places.


Don't make me tell you a second time.

Oh, please Mr. Frogger....I promise I'll behave if you'll let me play a little longer.

Oh, please Mr. Frogger....I promise I'll behave if you'll let me play a little longer.Hey, I think only your husband has the right to command you. My buddy Frogger is trying to pull a fast one!:lolhit:

Hey, I think only your husband has the right to command you. My buddy Frogger is trying to pull a fast one!:lolhit:

Well, in the absence of a husband, isn't it every man's duty to keep the women in line? *koff* *koff*

Kimi?

Frogger is your husband??????

Damn, g/f... why didn't you tell me?

;)
SMW

Kimi?

Frogger is your husband??????

Damn, g/f... why didn't you tell me?

;)
SMW

Hell, the cat's out of the bag, I guess.

Frogger, they're on to us. Sorry, Smarty....he's my husband and he told me not to tell anybody, and I always obey the man, you know.....:smile2:

Hell, the cat's out of the bag, I guess.

Frogger, they're on to us. Sorry, Smarty....he's my husband and he told me not to tell anybody, and I always obey the man, you know.....:smile2:

Guess it's OK long as nobody tells his REAL wife. I hear she don't much go for his polygamist ways.

:hula:

Guess it's OK long as nobody tells his REAL wife. I hear she don't much go for his polygamist ways.

:hula:

His REAL wife? Whatchoo talking about?

His REAL wife? Whatchoo talking about?

Why, I thought you knew?

When he read the bible verse, "Go forth and multiply," he thought that meant he could have as many wives as he wanted.

Comes in handy on ironing day.

;)

Why, I thought you knew?

When he read the bible verse, "Go forth and multiply," he thought that meant he could have as many wives as he wanted.

Comes in handy on ironing day.

;)

I'm the wife that doesn't have to do any of that stuff. I get to do the fun stuff.

A question for women about the bible. Do you believe the bible is a handbook for the subjugation of women? I think if women followed what the bible says it has to be.

Get real.

If those women who are adherants of the Christian faith were intelligent enough to recognize the loathing, distrust and disdain that the Bible has for womankind, they'd very possibly be bright enough to see through the rest of the absurdity contained therein.

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Misogyny --\Mi*sog"y*ny\ (?; 277), n. [Gr. ?: cf. F. misogynie.]-- is defined as hatred of or hostility toward women. It encompasses any philosophy that teaches or encourages the subjugation of women. The Christian Bible is rife with it.

Get real.

If those women who are adherants of the Christian faith were intelligent enough to recognize the loathing, distrust and disdain that the Bible has for womankind, they'd very possibly be bright enough to see through the rest of the absurdity contained therein.

_____________________________________

Misogyny --\Mi*sog"y*ny\ (?; 277), n. [Gr. ?: cf. F. misogynie.]-- is defined as hatred of or hostility toward women. It encompasses any philosophy that teaches or encourages the subjugation of women. The Christian Bible is rife with it. Well I don't necessarily think it is their intelligence all the time. I think a lot of people just don't know a lot of things that are in the bible and would be shocked by them!

As there are very distinct differences between Catholics , Protestants and the Eastern Orthodox, perhaps when a person or poster makes an all-encompassing statement about the one billion or so Christians, they could plainly state what group of Christians they are talking about.

Speaking personally, I am unaware of one single woman or girl in my own congregation who is made to feel inferior, stupid, or uneducated because the menfolk say it's so.

But then again, maybe we're too dumb to know an insult when we hear one.


PS. Our pastor is a woman--kindly, educated, decent, hard working, a mother, a friend. She walks with the Lord, as do I. If this bothers a few, I am sorry but in truth, I spend zero time worrying about it.

As there are very distinct differences between Catholics , Protestants and the Eastern Orthodox, perhaps when a person or poster makes an all-encompassing statement about the one billion or so Christians, they could plainly state what group of Christians they are talking about.

Speaking personally, I am unaware of one single woman or girl in my own congregation who is made to feel inferior, stupid, or uneducated because the menfolk say it's so.

But then again, maybe we're too dumb to know an insult when we hear one.


PS. Our pastor is a woman--kindly, educated, decent, hard working, a mother, a friend. She walks with the Lord, as do I. If this bothers a few, I am sorry but in truth, I spend zero time worrying about it. Well I am not making a statement aobut one billion Christians I was talking about the bible. If a person was to follow everything that it says about how women should act I would think they would feel like a 2nd class citizen. Of course we live in a Secular Society and not a Theocracy. Thank Goodness. I'm just trying to say that if society went by what the bible says women would be 2nd class citizens and a man's possesion. And some churches I feel do make women seem like they are not equal with men. How would you like to not be able to talk in church? Of course that would be stupid but that is what it says in the bible.

SonofWarrior,

I guess you haven't read about Mary, the mother of Jesus, or Mary Magdalene, or Mary and Martha, or Ruth, or Naomi, or Esther, or any of the other women who are honored in The Bible.

I am a Christian and in my church we have women pastors, deaconesses, acolytes, congregational presidents, etc.. Women are fully equal to men.

You contant Christian bashing is getting more than a bit old. I notice you have nothing to say about the treatment of women by Muslims or Orthodox Jews.

You are nothing but a Christian hating troll.

I am a Christian and in my church we have women pastors, deaconesses, acolytes, congregational presidents, etc.. Women are fully equal to men.
In mine, too.

But we should at least admit that there are passages which pretty clearly relegate women into a second class, and that there are some of our brethren who are completely happy to use these passages to support their notion of the "proper role" of wives, etc. How one applies scripture is the issue. And it too often is used to tell others what to do, how to live, etc., rather than for each of us to examine self.

In mine, too.

But we should at least admit that there are passages which pretty clearly relegate women into a second class, and that there are some of our brethren who are completely happy to use these passages to support their notion of the "proper role" of wives, etc. How one applies scripture is the issue. And it too often is used to tell others what to do, how to live, etc., rather than for each of us to examine self.

That is sadly true, and found, mostly, in Fundamentalist churches, I've found.

I've often thought that that if they didn't have their literal interpretation of the bible to back up their ways, they'd find something else to suit their mindset.

SonofWarrior,

I guess you haven't read about Mary, the mother of Jesus, or Mary Magdalene, or Mary and Martha, or Ruth, or Naomi, or Esther, or any of the other women who are honored in The Bible.

I am a Christian and in my church we have women pastors, deaconesses, acolytes, congregational presidents, etc.. Women are fully equal to men.



Yes...the Catholics refer to Mary as "the Mother of God".

folks, you don't get more important than that.

SonofWarrior,

I guess you haven't read about Mary, the mother of Jesus, or Mary Magdalene, or Mary and Martha, or Ruth, or Naomi, or Esther, or any of the other women who are honored in The Bible.

I am a Christian and in my church we have women pastors, deaconesses, acolytes, congregational presidents, etc.. Women are fully equal to men.

You contant Christian bashing is getting more than a bit old. I notice you have nothing to say about the treatment of women by Muslims or Orthodox Jews.

You are nothing but a Christian hating troll. Of course I have read about them. And of course a lot of churches have women ministers and they are even allowed to talk in church and wear gold. Things which the bible says they are not suppose to do. But if you really go by what the bible says it would not be that way and you know it! Just because a lot of people do not adhere to what it says in the bible that does not take away from what it says! I am just saying people pick and choose what part of the bible they believe in! And Jesus said to his own mother"Women, what have I to do with thee?" (John 2:4). And how many women were invited to the Last Supper? And what would you like me to say about the treatment of women by Muslims? They treat them like animals? And how do Orthodox Jews treat their women?

...they'd find something else to suit their mindset.
Ouch! We're gonna need some aloe over here!:drinktoth

Ouch! We're gonna need some aloe over here!:drinktoth

LOL, my own church--Presbyterian--I've heard refered to as "hellbound" by a few hard core fundies. I spend zero time worrying about them too. :)

Of course I have read about them. And of course a lot of churches have women ministers and they are even allowed to talk in church and wear gold. Things which the bible says they are not suppose to do. But if you really go by what the bible says it would not be that way and you know it! Just because a lot of people do not adhere to what it says in the bible that does not take away from what it says! I am just saying people pick and choose what part of the bible they believe in! And Jesus said to his own mother"Women, what have I to do with thee?" (John 2:4). And how many women were invited to the Last Supper? And what would you like me to say about the treatment of women by Muslims? They treat them like animals? And how do Orthodox Jews treat their women?

You are judging Jesus outside of the times he lived in.

And Jesus said to his own mother"Women, what have I to do with thee?" (John 2:4). I, for one, accept much of the criticism you raise here. (Though I'd be delighted to see you move beyond it.) Having said that, you might try a better translation of the passage cited. Try NRSV.

LOL, my own church--Presbyterian--I've heard refered to as "hellbound" by a few hard core fundies. I spend zero time worrying about them too. :)United Methodist here. Called, at least once, "the spirit of antichrist" by Pat Robertson. (Methodism and Presbyterianism are often similar in manifestation, though the Arminianism v. Calvinism differance is an ideologically difference.)

Ah yes--Calvin. A flawed man but his influence resounds even now. I do not accept some of his teachings--ie, predestination.

You are judging Jesus outside of the times he lived in. What is that suppose to mean? That it was ok to treat his own mother like that? And I am not judging Jesus I was just saying what it said in the bible.

I, for one, accept much of the criticism you raise here. (Though I'd be delighted to see you move beyond it.) Having said that, you might try a better translation of the passage cited. Try NRSV. And why is this suppose to be a better translation? And I would be delighted if you did not post in any thread I made but we both know that ain't going to happen is it?

As it is wrong to belittle Jefferson because he left out the word "Women" in his statement--"All men are created equal"---because you are assuming he should have been as "enlightened" as we are now--yes, back in 1776-so it is wrong to misunderstand exactly where Jesus was coming from --ie, the climate of the times, where women were chattel, mostly. He was fully man as well as son of god, and a product of his times, as any good historian will tell you---and if he had made such radical statements to the general population at large, he most likely would have been, as you say, run out of Dodge.

Society and mindsets DO evolve. I refuse to believe Jesus was a personal woman hater.

afinertouch talks just like warrior. Is that a coiny-dink or what???

Oh wait... truthout sounds alot like afinertouch, as well, only it's obvious he's trying to look different.

Holy crap, Watson. We may be onto something here!

;)
SMW

As it is wrong to belittle Jefferson because he left out the word "Women" in his statement--"All men are created equal"---because you are assuming he should have been as "enlightened" as we are now--yes, back in 1776-so it is wrong to misunderstand exactly where Jesus was coming from --ie, the climate of the times, where women were chattel, mostly. He was fully man as well as son of god, and a product of his times, as any good historian will tell you---and if he had made such radical statements to the general population at large, he most likely would have been, as you say, run out of Dodge.

Society and mindsets DO evolve. I refuse to believe Jesus was a personal woman hater. I do agree that societies and mindset do evolve. But our society would not evolved as much if we were a theocracy. That's all I'm saying. Especially for women. And I don't believe Jesus was a personal woman hater either. I mean he let a prostitute rub his feet.

afinertouch talks just like warrior. Is that a coiny-dink or what???

Oh wait... truthout sounds alot like afinertouch, as well, only it's obvious he's trying to look different.

Holy crap, Watson. We may be onto something here!

;)
SMW First of all what in the hell is a coiny-dink? That's not a Texas expression. Where are you really from? And if you want to believe that I'm warrior or truthout or whoever it is go ahead. I already know your delusional!

Of course it would not evolve in a theocracy. Thankfully our government recognizes this--and god bless Jefferson, even if he WAS a woman hater (just kidding).

Saw this on a bumpersticker the other day---

When religion ruled the world, they called it the Dark Ages.

First of all what in the hell is a coiny-dink? That's not a Texas expression. Where are you really from? And if you want to believe that I'm warrior or truthout or whoever it is go ahead. I already know your delusional!

The angrier you get, the more you DO sound like warrior. I don't give a rat's ass who you are. Just stop with the whining and trying to stir up shit, okay? What's the point?

The angrier you get, the more you DO sound like warrior. I don't give a rat's ass who you are. Just stop with the whining and trying to stir up shit, okay? What's the point? Excuse me please mind your own friggin business. I don't give a rat's ass who you are either so what's you point. If you don't want to be on this thread then go away. Easy! Then you can stop your whining and trying to stir up shit. See your doing the same thing your accusing me of but it was my thread.

First of all what in the hell is a coiny-dink? That's not a Texas expression. Where are you really from? And if you want to believe that I'm warrior or truthout or whoever it is go ahead. I already know your delusional!

The word you're looking for is you're, darlin.

Your means belonging to YOU.

Which, BTW, this thread does NOT.

Mighty touchy, ain't you?

Excuse me please mind your own friggin business. I don't give a rat's ass who you are either so what's you point. If you don't want to be on this thread then go away. Easy! Then you can stop your whining and trying to stir up shit. See your doing the same thing your accusing me of but it was my thread.

Right, warrior.

The word you're looking for is you're, darlin.

Your means belonging to YOU.

Which, BTW, this thread does NOT.

Mighty touchy, ain't you? My bad! Thanks for noticing. Now I will use both in a sentence so you will know I learned my lesson. You're smartmouthwomen. Your opinions are just that. :)

Of course it would not evolve in a theocracy. Thankfully our government recognizes this--and god bless Jefferson, even if he WAS a woman hater (just kidding).

Saw this on a bumpersticker the other day---

When religion ruled the world, they called it the Dark Ages. I've seen a few of those around too.

My bad! Thanks for noticing. Now I will use both in a sentence so you will know I learned my lesson. You're smartmouthwomen. Your opinions are just that. :)

Oops, close, but no cigar.

I'm actually smartmouthwomAn.

But you're getting better!

;)

Oops, close, but no cigar.

I'm actually smartmouthwomAn.

But you're getting better!

;) Ok, it is early in California.:cool:

Ok, it is early in California.:cool:
No prob. Actually, all you had to say was "I'm IN California" and I woulda cut you some slack.

;)
SMW

No prob. Actually, all you had to say was "I'm IN California" and I woulda cut you some slack.

;) :woohoo:
SMW Your funny. But thanks. I was actually born and raised in the good ole Lone Star State. Quite a bit south of where you are though!

And I would be delighted if you did not post in any thread I made...How come?

How come?

Most likely because you (nor I) fit into his Christian "model". I believe you are Methodist (as am I) and since we are not fundamentalists, we will not enter into the type of arguments that he so desperately seeks.

Hmm. My boyfriend's father is a Methodist, although lapsed I think. My boyfriend, his sister, and his mom are Episcopalian.

Hmm. My boyfriend's father is a Methodist, although lapsed I think. My boyfriend, his sister, and his mom are Episcopalian.

The Episcopals are fairly liberal too. I've attended their services more than a few times and enjoyed them; also Methodist services. Nice , polite, welcoming congregants.


edited because I misspelled "Episcopal"--sorry. folks, it's too hot to spell right, or even care. No air in our building today and it's 95 degrees out before noon.

The Episcopals are fairly liberal too.
Yep. I heard that the Anglican church has been threatening to revoke its ties with the Episcopal church because of some Episcopalian ministers performing gay marriages... Something like that. Not surprising to me now that I've met my boyfriend's family.

Although it always surprises me how much some Protestant sects hate each other. My boyfriend's grandparents were all a little wary of his parents' marriage, especially those on the Methodist side. And then when they had an Episcopal ceremony, the you-know-what really hit the fan. :p

Good lord. DF.

Don't people have better things to worry about?
By God, they should. Just silly power struggles..."Marry in MY church or ELSE!!!!"

Incredible.

Good lord. DF.

Don't people have better things to worry about?
By God, they should. Just silly power struggles..."Marry in MY church or ELSE!!!!"

Incredible.
Indeed. Dang old people. At least his parents are more understanding. I'm pretty sure they know that I'm not a Christian, and that most of my family is Catholic... I bet that would give Mike's grandparents a heart attack. :D I haven't met them yet though.

*taps foot*

Watch it with the 'dang old people' DF.

What gets me are those churches who believe if you don't belong to their church, you're automatically going to hell. Like Church of Christ, for example. I had some friends who were members there and they actually had to ask the sr leaders of the church for permission to buy a new car!! (ended up being a moot point 'cuz they kicked 'em out when they got a divorce.)

That's crazy, Jim Jones kinda stuff.

:)
SMW

*taps foot*

Watch it with the 'dang old people' DF.

What gets me are those churches who believe if you don't belong to their church, you're automatically going to hell. Like Church of Christ, for example. I had some friends who were members there and they actually had to ask the sr leaders of the church for permission to buy a new car!! (ended up being a moot point 'cuz they kicked 'em out when they got a divorce.)

That's crazy, Jim Jones kinda stuff.

:)
SMW My Seventh-Day-Adventist neighbor says that people who go to church on sunday are wrong and will go to hell. Of course they go on the correct day-Saturday. :rolleyes:

So how come the brush off?

So how come the brush off? Not brushing you off. :confused:

What was post #36, this thread?

What was post #36, this thread? Well I was just saying if you don't want to read what my thread is about don't go to it. It's freedom of choice, but at the same time, I don't mind you posting if the topic interest you! It's what I wanted to post and I would do the same if you posted something I was not interested in. I would just not go that thread.

Originally Posted by Freethinker
Get real.

If those women who are adherants of the Christian faith were intelligent enough to recognize the loathing, distrust and disdain that the Bible has for womankind, they'd very possibly be bright enough to see through the rest of the absurdity contained therein.


Well I don't necessarily think it is their intelligence all the time. I think a lot of people just don't know a lot of things that are in the bible and would be shocked by them!

Respectfully, if the women in question do not know what is contained within that loathsome and decrepit written collection of myths, half truths and idiocy that they are dedicating their lives to, perhaps they ought not to be following that particular tome's absurd precepts and admonitions.

Just saying.

Do you believe the bible is a handbook for the subjugation of women?

Not unless followed literally.
I think if women followed what the bible says it has to be. No, that would take male participation as well.


I mean it surely has been a enemy of women's rights. :eek:

True enough but most ignorance can be cleared if given the chance and the correct timing.

As Ren said, all must be taken from the historical perspective.

Take Freud for instance. When dealing with child rape he realized society was not ready for what he had recognized. It is pointless to push beyond a person's (societies) limits. In other words, Christ's teachings were revolutionary for the time. In order to be accepted they had to stay within certain boundaries. Otherwise all would be lost.

"A religion, even if it calls itself the religion of love,must be hard and unloving to those who do not belong to it." Sigmund Freud

"A religion, even if it calls itself the religion of love,must be hard and unloving to those who do not belong to it." Sigmund Freud
Perhaps that is so. I have no problem with anyone's belief structure so long as it does not harm another.