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I agree rendova. Although, instead of "Zzzzz," I would've posted "Grrrrrr."

I can't stand the example this guy has set for the U.S.

I agree rendova. Although, instead of "Zzzzz," I would've posted "Grrrrrr."

I can't stand the example this guy has set for the U.S. I bet the guy that caught the ball is not saying that!:rolleyes:

I bet the guy that caught the ball is not saying that!:rolleyes:

True...now he has enough to call his parole officer.

Barry Bonds broke the record with the help of steroids and a mechanical device he wears on his arm that gives him a greater ability to hit home runs. The device Bonds wears is banned from major league baseball but he is someone grandfathered in and allowed to use it.

The record is as phony as a three dollar bill.

Yea, there are a lot of shady things going on...

I havn't heard of the "arm device" you are talking about frogger, I know that he wears it but it is my understanding that it is just for protection. I don't see how wearing it could give you any added power or speed.

However, Bonds definitely isn't Martin Luther King Jr... Barry loves Barry, and that's about it.

There is the physical aspect which is evidence of steroid use. He went from a thin, lean, 5-tooled all around player in the 80's and early 90's to a jacked, slow, power-house freak. His head has grown in size (and it's not ego i'm talkin about), which doesn't happen naturally.

The numbers are also equally damning... Bonds didn't hit more than 46 home runs during the prime of his career. then when he is 37 he hits 73 home runs? That is when you are supposed to be on the downside of your career.

In the book "Game of Shadows"... it is alleged that Bonds saw all the glory and money the McGwire/Sosa home run jerkoff in 1998 made, and hey, Barry only hit 37 home runs that year. So he got his trainer, his ties to Balco, and started juicing. Sure enough, every year his HR totals increased. His Balco and trainer associate is sitting in jail because he won't speak the truth about Bonds.

Here is my take: You can not like Barry Bonds. You can think that bonds having the home run record is junk. I personally think it is. However, Bonds was already one of the best of our era before 1998, when he allegedly took started taking steroids. Even if he didn't take them, he'd probably be sitting around 650-680 right now, or might have called it a career earlier. That's not really the point. The point is that he is still a great player, he just happened to take a shortcut. I don't think it was right that he took steroids, but I won't deny that he was a great player before he took them.

Let's go A-rod!

Betcha anything somebody somewhere accuses A-Rod of using steroids when he gets that close. In today's world, you can't break a hallowed record without someone accusing the person of roiding up. It's ruined the sports experience.

Betcha anything somebody somewhere accuses A-Rod of using steroids when he gets that close. In today's world, you can't break a hallowed record without someone accusing the person of roiding up. It's ruined the sports experience.

Jose Canseco said he had "stuff" on A-rod. Then again, he's trying to hype up his next book so we'll see if it's actually anything serious.

Even though Jose Conseco IS out of the baseball scene and could very well be just spitting at the mouth for publicity, I don't totally discredit what he has to say.

I think he tells just what went on - no beating around the bush. He very well might have "stuff" on Arod...

Rodriguez then:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1550000/images/_1553952_rod150.jpg

but the evidence isn't nearly as much as this:
http://r_harrison.tripod.com/Agonist/BarryBonds.jpg

I freakin hate Arod, he's a punk.. but I'll acknowledge he's damn good. Maybe people have more "stuff" on him than he knows
http://www.blohardsblog.com/images/arodpursepink_3.jpg

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http://www.bensakoguchi.com/pics/bb-sakoguchi-140-sammy-sosa-barry-bonds-mark-mcguire-steroids.jpg
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Decka,

Here's the scoop on Bond's arm armor.



Barry Bonds' HR Record Tainted by Elbow 'Armor'?

By Michael Witte

Published: August 08, 2007 10:45 AM Monday, updated Wednesday

NEW YORK (Commentary) Beyond his alleged steroid use, Barry Bonds is guilty of the use of something that confers extraordinarily unfair mechanical advantage: the “armor” that he wears on his right elbow. Amid the press frenzy over Bonds’ unnatural bulk, the true role of the object on his right arm has simply gone unnoticed.

This is unfortunate, because by my estimate, Bonds’ front arm “armor” may have contributed no fewer than 75 to 100 home runs to his already steroid-questionable total.
Bonds tied Henry Aaron’s home run record of 755 on Saturday night and will go for the new standard this week back at home in San Francisco.

As a student of baseball – and currently a mechanics consultant to a major league baseball team -- I believe I have insight into the Bonds "achievement." I have studied his swing countless times on video and examined the mechanical gear closely through photographs.

For years, sportswriters remarked that his massive "protective" gear – unequaled in all of baseball -- permits Bonds to lean over the plate without fear of being hit by a pitch. Thus situated, Bonds can handle the outside pitch (where most pitchers live) unusually well. This is unfair advantage enough, but no longer controversial. However, it is only one of at least seven (largely unexplored) advantages conferred by the apparatus.

The other six:

1) The apparatus is hinged at the elbow. It is a literal "hitting machine" that allows Bonds to release his front arm on the same plane during every swing. It largely accounts for the seemingly magical consistency of every Bonds stroke.

2) The apparatus locks at the elbow when the lead arm is fully elongated because of a small flap at the top of the bottom section that fits into a groove in the bottom of the top section. The locked arm forms a rigid front arm fulcrum that allows extraordinary, maximally efficient explosion of the levers of Bonds' wrists. Bonds hands are quicker than those of average hitters because of his mechanical "assistant."

3) When Bonds swings, the weight of the apparatus helps to seal his inner upper arm to his torso at impact. Thus "connected," he automatically hits the ball with the weight of his entire body - not just his arms - as average hitters ("extending") tend to do.

4) Bonds has performed less well in Home Run Derbies than one might expect because he has no excuse to wear a "protector" facing a batting practice pitcher. As he tires, his front arm elbow tends to lift and he swings under the ball, producing towering pop flies or topspin liners that stay in the park. When the apparatus is worn, its weight keeps his elbow down and he drives the ball with backspin.

5) Bonds enjoys quicker access to the inside pitch than average hitters because his "assistant" - counter-intuitively - allows him to turn more rapidly. Everyone understands that skaters accelerate their spins by pulling their arms into their torsos, closer to their axes of rotation. When Bonds is confronted with an inside pitch, he spins like a skater because his upper front arm is "assistant"-sealed tightly against the side of his chest.

6) At impact, Bonds has additional mass (the weight of his "assistant") not available to the average hitter. The combined weight of "assistant" and bat is probably equal to the weight of the lumber wielded by Babe Ruth but with more manageable weight distribution.

At the moment, Bonds' apparatus enjoys "grandfathered" status. Similar devices are presently denied to average
major leaguers, who must present evidence of injury before receiving an exemption.

Bonds has worn some sort of front arm protection since 1992. In '94, a one-piece forearm guard was replaced by a jointed, two piece elbow model. In ‘95 it got bigger and a small "cap" on the elbow was replaced by a "flap" that overlapped the upper piece and locked the two pieces together when the arm was elongated. In '96, the "apparatus" grew even larger and so did the "flap."

It seems to have remained relatively the same until -- interestingly— 2001, the year of his record 73 home runs, when an advanced model appeared made (apparently) of a new material. It had softer edges and a groove for the flap to slip into automatically at full arm elongation. More important, the upper half of the machine was sculpted to conform more comfortably to the contours of Bonds' upper arm. Since 2001, the apparatus seems to have remained relatively unchanged.

Several years back, baseball was rightfully scandalized by the revelation that Sammy Sosa had "corked" his bat. The advantages conferred by the Bonds "hitting machine," however, far exceed anything supplied by cork. Ultimately, it appears the Bonds "achievement” must be regarded as partly the product of “double duplicity" -- steroidal and mechanical.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003621797

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I could see how the brace could keep him in better form, causing him to be more consistant, and hence allowing him to hit the sweet spot more often.

It kinda reminds me of the new wave of "full arm band" wearers in the NBA that go all the way down their arm.. Allen Iverson was the first to wear it.

I could see how the brace could keep him in better form, causing him to be more consistant, and hence allowing him to hit the sweet spot more often.

It kinda reminds me of the new wave of "full arm band" wearers in the NBA that go all the way down their arm.. Allen Iverson was the first to wear it.

I'm pretty sure that has to do with gang-related tattoos and has no enhancing value.

Betcha anything somebody somewhere accuses A-Rod of using steroids when he gets that close. In today's world, you can't break a hallowed record without someone accusing the person of roiding up. It's ruined the sports experience.

Yeah, I betcha A-rod's personal trainer won't be serving time over those accusations.

It happens with everyone. What, with that and refs betting on games, it's killed a lot of the sporting experience.

It happens with everyone. What, with that and refs betting on games, it's killed a lot of the sporting experience.

Several years ago Sports Illustrated ran an in-depth article on steroid and other doping usage in sports, worldwide.

It's sickeningly prevalent, not just in the US' pro, college, high school and even junior high levels, but especially in world track and field, bicycling, and weight lifting.

Here's a frightening thing--the editors asked athletes around the world if they could take a performance enhancing drug which would enable them to shatter a record in their particular sport, but kill them in 5 years, would they take it?

Eighty percent said YES.

Also , here's their mindset--if everyone's doing it, it's not cheating, and they believe if they DON'T do it, they'll no longer be able to compete at a world-class level.

Originally posted by rendova
if everyone's doing it, it's not cheating, and they believe if they DON'T do it, they'll no longer be able to compete at a world-class level.
We exist in a world where everyone wants immediate success while taking the easy way out. It's sad to see that we have to turn to 'roids and HGH's in order to achieve success instead of the old-fasioned hard work that got everyone else in the past to their records. What kind of message does this send to future athletes anyway?

What kind of message does this send to future athletes anyway?
It says the public can smear your record even if the league and the government don't have proof that you did wrong.

It says the public can smear your record even if the league and the government don't have proof that you did wrong.
This would be reasonable if we were talking about the government putting Bonds on trial, but we're not. There is no presumption of innocence, there is no need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he used steroids. It's obvious to me that Cheating Douchebag used steroids, and it's obvious to everyone else. That's good enough for me.

This would be reasonable if we were talking about the government putting Bonds on trial, but we're not. There is no presumption of innocence, there is no need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he used steroids. It's obvious to me that Cheating Douchebag used steroids, and it's obvious to everyone else. That's good enough for me.Both the league and the feds investigated and didn't have whatever it took to charge/sanction him. I'm no fan of Bonds, but your response only shows what my post was saying.

Both the league and the feds investigated and didn't have whatever it took to charge/sanction him. I'm no fan of Bonds, but your response only shows what my post was saying.
So what? They didn't sanction him. Good for them. I'm still free to call Cheating Douchebag whatever I would like. And I'm still free to have whatever opinion of him I would like.

So what? They didn't sanction him. Good for them. I'm still free to call Cheating Douchebag whatever I would like. And I'm still free to have whatever opinion of him I would like.Sure, but at leat we should admit that your opinion is based on less than proof of wrong.

Sure, but at leat we should admit that your opinion is based on less than proof of wrong.
I hate Cheating Douchebag because he's a jerk in general. That I believe he soiled Hammerin' Hank's record by beating it through cheating is icing on the cake.

I hate Cheating Douchebag because he's a jerk in general. :drinktoth

Shiloh.. you can just chalk this up to one of the "grey areas".. Like the OJ Simpson case. Pretty much everyone knows he did it, it just wasn't proven.

Shiloh.. you can just chalk this up to one of the "grey areas".. Like the OJ Simpson case. Pretty much everyone knows he did it, it just wasn't proven.Yeah, I buy that. I felt a big ol' nothing when he broke the record.

It says the public can smear your record even if the league and the government don't have proof that you did wrong.

Um, Bonds admitted taking steroids. He just claimed that he didn't know that his personal trainer was giving him steroids.

Besides that, we have testimony that Bonds was giving himself the steroids and his ex-girlfriend of years writing books about his steroid use.

If you believe allegations of Bonds steroid use are no more than a smear campaign, you're a complete and utter fool.

Um, Bonds admitted taking steroids. He just claimed that he didn't know that his personal trainer was giving him steroids.

Besides that, we have testimony that Bonds was giving himself the steroids and his ex-girlfriend of years writing books about his steroid use.

If you believe allegations of Bonds steroid use are no more than a smear campaign, you're a complete and utter fool.My point is that they don't seem to have "proof" to convict him of a crime or to "prove" violating league rules. It is one of those cases where they should move forward, or drop it. (You seem to like legalese when it's a cop killing a kid; maybe you should be consistant here.)

Having said that, I am no Bonds fan and don't think there is any smear "campaign." A person, regardless of profession, needs to hold themselves to a standard which is above question, or their career can be smeared even without "proof."

You seem to like legalese when it's a cop killing a kid; maybe you should be consistant here.
A criminal case is very, very different from an internal baseball affair.

A criminal case is very, very different from an internal baseball affair.No shit! But notice the point: even the league has not had sufficient proof to do anything to him. Again, I'm no Bonds fan, but at least be honest about it.

The final arbitrer--the fans--have turned on him in droves.


He may very well be the most disliked figure in the sports universe. Even people who normally don't follow baseball dislike this nogoodnik.

Why? He is certainly not the only cheater out there. Goodness knows there's been many an unlikeable sort to grace the diamond--Ty Cobb comes to mind--he who fought with his own teammates continously as well as fans in the stands and umps too when he felt like it. Still tho, I like Ty. And respect him.

What is it about Barry that people dislike so? Shoeless Joe, who helped throw the Series (and there's controversy about that even now--look at his stats for those games) and literally gambled away one of the finest careers in sports history, for MONEY--- is almost a hero compared to Bonds.

I say it's his smart-alecky attitude and his "What? who--ME???"" persona. IOW, he treats the fans like they're idiots to the last man.

The number one sin in sports.


PS. Danica, take note.

PS. Danica, take note.Your post conveys exactly what I was trying to express.:drinktoth

I love how nobody cares about Bonds now. Thank god it's over.

Nobody cared about the record either. It's pretty sad that the most hallowed record in all of baseball (and pretty much in all of sports) was broken and the only people cheering were the idiots in the stadium.

Though Barry Bonds went kicking and screaming -- seemingly shocked and seething -- the Giants did him a huge favor. They escorted him out the door, out of the city, out of their lives. They made him a free man, guided him toward the one place that still makes perfect sense.
The A.L.

Bonds & Giants (http://www.sacbee.com/giants/story/393084.html) are done.

The Giants got their time in the limelight for having someone on their team break the record...now that nobody cares, he's gone and out of the city, off the team, and not on people's minds. I'm pretty sure that the team had wanted to do this for quite some time, but held back until he broke the record.

I'm glad Barry Bond's home run ball is going to get branded before it goes to the hall of fame. Even if he was never proven guilty there is too much evidence and for there not to be a historical mark somewhere.

He was a great player, too bad he's an idiot for using the trainer that supplied the world with steroids.