Unless we see another "Howard Dean" type downward spiral, it is safe to say The two fighting for the democatic nomination will be Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Hillary Clinton. Sen Richardson will be the only one close to having a shot but unless something drastic happens doesnt have a chance. I will break the two canidates down and let you know why each will fail if they get the ticket.

Hillary Clinton

She is so so hatable. She is going to bring out the worst in republican voters. I am going to predict the highest turn out for registered republican voters this presidential election than in recent memory. Not because they believe in thier canidate but because they despise Hillary. Anyone with a brain in their head knows that Iraq isnt going to be solved quickly no matter who is in there. Our armed services are over there fighting a unseen foe, with one hand tied behind our backs because every two bit terrorist in a region would kill 100 innocent people just to kill one of our troops. We are rebuilding a country when we dont even have the support of our own people.

Now this part might sting some people but the facts are the facts. There are always exceptions,but majority of any opinion rules. SHE IS FEMALE. There are alot of people in this country who are not ready to see a female in office. I wish it wasnt true,i wish i could say i am a liar but it is true. While we are on the subject lets look at what type of people actually believe it. It is the lower middle class backwoods ignorant types. Which fact is fact are mainly democrats. Republicans typically are in big business andhave over the last two decades adjusted to females being high in power at the work place.

Sen. Barack Obama

He is black,and i think america might really be ready for a black male president. However he is a freshmen senator and color of skin alone is NOT merrit to win the ticket. He in principle should have the minority black vote,but facts are facts,most of them dont vote and probably wont now. He opened his mouith and showed his grren color by threatening to bomb targets in Pakastan. So we dont get democratic support for toppling a rouge government and making them stable so they can rule in peace,but we are going to bomb targets on our only real allie in the war on terror? Give me a break. In this day in time we not only need a president with forgien policy experiance,we need a president with political experiance.

We are talking about a party that has celebrity spokeman who is a wife beater who is buddies with Hugo Chavez.


SIDE NOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If hillary edges far ahead and Obama becomes her running mate then he will be the biggest sell out since Al Gore claiming to invent the internet. His whole platform is to be fresh and not the same old ideas

Uhhh, cool icon and signatures. NOT. Haha. But I guess it is your choice to keep them.

PS: I did like that scene in the movie The Texas Chainsaw Massacre though where she shoots herself. Very scary. But I love scary movies.

My avatar might be a little much If anyone else complains i will chage it.

I deleted your avatar, and one of your images LiquidFork. They were indeed a bit much.

Welcome to allforums LF. We have a nice community here and you're welcome to join in, but you might want to take stock of the place before you choose a new avatar. :)

I will break the two canidates down and let you know why each will fail if they get the ticket.

:rolleyes:

You'd perhaps have a bit more gravitas --in terms of knowing something about the people in question-- if you had not spelled one person's name -- "Osomba".

If hillary edges far ahead and Obama becomes her running mate then he will be the biggest sell out since Al Gore claiming to invent the internet.

Al Gore never claimed to have "invented the internet".

That particular falsehood is getting very, very old.

So lemme get this straight...... I mention him by name 4-6 times and at the end i made a typo. That fact along crushes the validity of my post? Or did you disagree with my opinion but the best thing you could pull out is a typo to discredit it.

AND


The original Wired News article by Declan McCullagh, Mar. 11, 1999

WASHINGTON -- It's a time-honored tradition for presidential hopefuls to claim credit for other people's successes.
But Al Gore as the father of the Internet?

That's what the campaigner in chief told CNN's Wolf Blitzer during an interview Tuesday evening. Blitzer asked Gore how he was different than other presumptive Democratic challengers, such as Bill Bradley. "What do you have to bring to this that he doesn't necessarily bring to this process?"

Replied Gore: "I'll be offering my vision when my campaign begins, and it'll be comprehensive and sweeping, and I hope that it'll be compelling enough to draw people toward it.... I've traveled to every part of this country during the last six years."

Then came the kicker: "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

O.K So ummmm.....am i having a problem with word association?
Doesnt create mean invent?
Doesnt take the initiative mean you did it????.

So lemme get this straight...... I mention him by name 4-6 times and at the end i made a typo. That fact along crushes the validity of my post? Or did you disagree with my opinion but the best thing you could pull out is a typo to discredit it.


Typo, spelling, nitpicking words, taking partial sentences to imply you said something totally different. Yep, thats pretty standard around here. Especially when they can not refute the message.

Especially when they can not refute the message.
Pfft, refutation by spelling correction rarely goes on here. You just can't stand to be corrected.

Pfft, refutation by spelling correction rarely goes on here. You just can't stand to be corrected.

Corrected? I am in a seven year relationship with a woman from El Salvidor,i am corrected 5 times before i leave my house daily and make 24 mistakes by lunch. I am no stranger to retracting words in a rather quick fashion,and apologizing. Infact i will surly do so at least one more time before we go to bed. however,i need to actually be SHOWN the error in my opinion,not just a "shame shame" for spelling a name wrong one out of 6 times.

Too much info.. but i agree that the spelling correction was a cop out... as usual for FT.

Pfft, refutation by spelling correction rarely goes on here. You just can't stand to be corrected.


Once again you have proved my point. When you have nothing, attack the messenger. Pretty standard practice.

Also is the whole, "I just want to be right, so I'll go ahead and claim everything you say proves my point instead of yours!"

Brilliant.

Once again you have proved my point. When you have nothing, attack the messenger. Pretty standard practice.
lollll

See, that's a standard OD practice. You know you're just hopping on his bandwagon.

[B][I][COLOR="Blue"]So lemme get this straight...... I mention him by name 4-6 times and at the end i made a typo. That fact along crushes the validity of my post?

No.

No one alleged ""the validity of your post is crushed"". Get a grip.

I simply said you'd have had more gravitas. If it helps any, I thought it possible that it was more than just a typo, when you misspell a name THAT badly.

From *Obama* to "Osomba"..........??!?!?

Or did you disagree with my opinion but the best thing you could pull out is a typo to discredit it

Gee whiz. Let's make a quick check on that.

Nope. Just re-read the entire post. Nothing was said about any disagreement with your opinion.

In fact, (contrary to the fucking nitwit making the --"Aw, they can't refute your post so they pick on the spelling instead!" claim) -- for the most part I do agree with your post.


O.K So ummmm.....am i having a problem with word association?

IMO, yes. You are.

The statement -- "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet"


-- is miles away from the --"I built the whole thing from scratch myself!"-- lie into which you and others are trying to twist it.

To say to a reporter --""I took the initiative in creating the Internet""-- was meant to convey the message;

""I took certain legislative actions with the hope that an invention called 'the Internet' would become more accessible to average Americans. .""

Tim Berners-Lee is widely known as having been --if any one person could be said to have done so-- the "inventor" of the internet.

Vinton Cerf and Robert Kahn are two others who helped to lay the foundation of *the Internet*, and they themselves are to this day defending Al Gore, asserting that he was the politician in Washington who did take the "initiative" to support the Internet in its early days.

To allege that Al Gore was doing an interview with a reporter and was trying to pass himself off as having "invented" the internet is an incredibly lame allegation; the only reason this --"Al Gore claimed he invented the internet!!" --myth began was because there were people out to discredit him and they saw this as a way of doing it.


Doesnt create mean invent?

No. Not in the context that he was using the word.

An artist *creates* a painting........but in telling someone of his creation, he makes no claim to have invented art.

A pastry chef may *create* a pastry treat called a cream horn.......but in telling someone of his creation, he makes no claim to have invented the cream horn.

Doesnt take the initiative mean you did it????

Yes. And he did do "it".

He took certain legislative actions with the hope and expectation that an invention --which a person named Tim Berners-Lee had brought into being-- called 'the Internet' would become more accessible to average Americans.

Hope that clears up that little myth for you.

I don't think Freethinker was dinging the poster on the spelling but was pointing out that the misspelled word, whether intentional or an honest mistake, reduced the seriousness of the post -- for whatever reason. HINT: that's why he used the word gravitas.

Further, AFAIK, Freethinker is not a spelling or grammer dinger -- it's not his style. In fact, you very rarely see the spelling / grammar police in these parts -- if you did, I'd be in jail right now :D

I will break the two canidates down and let you know why each will fail if they get the ticket.

OK -- so if you know (for sure) who won't win then it stands to reason you know who will win.

Howz 'bout it? Who's the winner?

And welcome to allforums.

Then came the kicker: "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." [/FONT][/SIZE]
[/B].I've heard about this silly comment: I invented the internet," but have never bothered to look into it. If your quote is accurate, I think he was claiming something less than being the "inventor" of the internet.

Anyway, spelling correction should matter only if the meaning of the word changes, same with typos. I'm terrible at both, so in my job, I have an editor. Bee dammed of I'n guing two werey abowt thet hear!

In fact, you very rarely see the spelling / grammar police in these parts -- if you did, I'd be in jail right now :DYeah, you, me, and the title of this Thread!

I think i lost more brain cells reading that than all of clintons AND W's bong hits put together,,,,,, So I am confused. Did you STILL attack my lone typo? Did you use the F* word? ("you better take stock of the people on here before you use that language") Did you agree with me on the core of my post? Did I win or lose? The way I see it {per his exact words} he is telling me he should have a little too much credit than he deserves for his role on making the internet mainsteam. Bill gates/steve case were going to see that no matter who jumped on board. You have broke down every word and put a more modest pleasent spin on it. It seems to be a matter of opinion to me,I wouldnt rule it a "MYTH". Unicorns are myths. Trolls are myths. Golbal warming is a myth.... hey speaking of al gore.....

OK -- so if you know (for sure) who won't win then it stands to reason you know who will win.

Howz 'bout it? Who's the winner?

And welcome to allforums.


Well unfortunatly i believe the ignorance and close minded of us will put another republican in office. I do lean right...ok so i more like slough right,but i agree a change is needed. In my personal opinion i would like to see what obama would do. He either would be an inivator of politics and come at things with a fresh view,or he would be a total disaster while getting a lesson at politics at the same time. Not really sure how that out come would be. Also Mcain would be the best choice as far as a partisan white house would go but he seems to be faultering alot.

I think i lost more brain cells reading that than all of clintons AND W's bong hits put together,,,,,, So I am confused. Did you STILL attack my lone typo? Did you use the F* word? ("you better take stock of the people on here before you use that language") Did you agree with me on the core of my post? Did I win or lose? The way I see it {per his exact words} he is telling me he should have a little too much credit than he deserves for his role on making the internet mainsteam. Bill gates/steve case were going to see that no matter who jumped on board. You have broke down every word and put a more modest pleasent spin on it. It seems to be a matter of opinion to me,I wouldnt rule it a "MYTH". Unicorns are myths. Trolls are myths. Golbal warming is a myth.... hey speaking of al gore.....
Ah, so I understand! Now that you've been chastised for your spelling, you are going to latch onto that and use it as evidence that you're absolutely right! Hey! That works! (Hint: It doesn't.)

By the way, if you think that global warming is a "myth", you haven't bothered to educate yourself on it. And judging by your ever-so-subtle threadjack, trolls aren't myths either. You're living proof.
I've heard about this silly comment: I invented the internet," but have never bothered to look into it. If your quote is accurate, I think he was claiming something less than being the "inventor" of the internet.
He did indeed say, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." But here's the kicker. He did.

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

Despite the derisive references that continue even today, Al Gore did not claim he "invented" the Internet, nor did he say anything that could reasonably be interpreted that way. The "Al Gore said he 'invented' the Internet" put-downs were misleading, out-of-context distortions of something he said during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN's "Late Edition" program on 9 March 1999. When asked to describe what distinguished him from his challenger for the Democratic presidential nomination, Senator Bill Bradley of New Jersey, Gore replied (in part):
During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.

Clearly, although Gore's phrasing was clumsy (and perhaps self-serving), he was not claiming that he "invented" the Internet (in the sense of having designed or implemented it), but that he was responsible, in an economic and legislative sense, for fostering the development the I also invented the microphone technology that we now know as the Internet. To claim that Gore was seriously trying to take credit for the "invention" of the Internet is, frankly, just silly political posturing that arose out of a close presidential campaign. Gore never used the word "invent," and the words "create" and "invent" have distinctly different meanings — the former is used in the sense of "to bring about" or "to bring into existence" while the latter is generally used to signify the first instance of someone's thinking up or implementing an idea. (To those who say the words "create" and "invent" mean exactly the same thing, we have to ask why, then, the media overwhelmingly and consistently cited Gore as having claimed he "invented" the Internet, even though he never used that word, and transcripts of what he actually said were readily available.)

If President Eisenhower had said in the mid-1960s that he, while President, "created" the Interstate Highway System, we would not have seen dozens and dozens of editorials lampooning him for claiming he "invented" the concept of highways or implying that he personally went out and dug ditches across the country to help build the roadway. Everyone would have understood that Ike meant he was a driving force behind the legislation that created the highway system, and this was the very same concept Al Gore was expressing about himself with his Internet statement.

Whether Gore's statement that he "took the initiative in creating the Internet" is justified is a subject of debate. Any statement about the "creation" or "beginning" of the Internet is difficult to evaluate, because the Internet is not a homogenous entity (it's a collection of computers, networks, protocols, standards, and application programs), nor did it all spring into being at once (the components that comprise the Internet were developed in various places at different times and are continuously being modified, improved, and expanded). Despite a spirited defense of Gore's claim by Vint Cerf (often referred to as the "father of the Internet") in which he stated "that as a Senator and now as Vice President, Gore has made it a point to be as well-informed as possible on technology and issues that surround it," many of the components of today's Internet came into being well before Gore's first term in Congress began in 1977.

It is true, though, that Gore was popularizing the term "information superhighway" in the early 1990s (although he did not, as is often claimed by others, coin the phrase himself) when few people outside academia or the computer/defense industries had heard of the Internet, and he sponsored the 1988 National High-Performance Computer Act (which established a national computing plan and helped link universities and libraries via a shared network) and cosponsored the Information Infrastructure and Technology Act of 1992 (which opened the Internet to commercial traffic).

In May 2005, the organizers of the Webby Awards for online achievements honored Al Gore with a lifetime achievement award for three decades of contributions to the Internet. "He is indeed due some thanks and consideration for his early contributions," said Vint Cerf.

Very good borg...

[QUOTE=BorgHunter]Ah, so I understand! Now that you've been chastised for your spelling, you are going to latch onto that and use it as evidence that you're absolutely right! Hey! That works! (Hint: It doesn't.)

By the way, if you think that global warming is a "myth", you haven't bothered to educate yourself on it. And judging by your ever-so-subtle threadjack, trolls aren't myths either. You're living proof.

That was pure joking about Gore and the myth and global warming. See when your telling a funny story there is this thing called "tying it all together". We were talking about Al Gore's truthfullness,and that sprung into the subject of myths and i spun it back around with something called "delivery" into another touchy subject Al Gore supports.

AND

You are the 4th person to personally attack me over my post yet all you can argue about is a simple sentence i used to show the democrats biggest enemies are the "unofficial" spokespeople. I am willing to admitt i was wrong if you could manage to do a little thing like bring something to me to debate. Hell I even let the internet thing go,and kinda drew a truce on it. And to call me a troll was very mature. I so hope that the word Administrator under your name is a joke.I would hate to be called a troll by the administrator of a lrage operation like this simply because my opinion is not that of his liberal agenda

You are the 4th person to personally attack me over my post yet all you can argue about is a simple sentence i used to show the democrats biggest enemies are the "unofficial" spokespeople. I am willing to admitt i was wrong if you could manage to do a little thing like bring something to me to debate. Hell I even let the internet thing go,and kinda drew a truce on it. And to call me a troll was very mature. I so hope that the word Administrator under your name is a joke.I would hate to be called a troll by the administrator of a lrage operation like this simply because my opinion is not that of his liberal agenda
ROFL. I'm a liberal now? Sorry. Try libertarian.

Your original post is fallacious. It may be your opinion, but you present it as absolute fact. I hope to god neither Hillary nor Obama win the Democratic primary, as Hillary is a douchebag and I'm beginning to suspect Obama as being just another Bush, judging by his desire to attack Pakistan. That said, "Why X will not win" is not a reasonable position to take, unless you just waxed and buffed your crystal ball. If Clinton wins the primary, I do suspect her to have some stiff opposition from moderates, dependent, of course, on her opponent in the general election.

By the way, regarding the whole Al Gore thing...I'm not a mind reader. I don't know you yet and I don't know what's a joke and what isn't. If you're making a joke, then smilies exist for a reason. I had no reason to suspect you were joking. So, perhaps you're not a troll, but I don't think you can blame me for thinking that.

By the way, regarding the whole Al Gore thing...I'm not a mind reader. I don't know you yet and I don't know what's a joke and what isn't. If you're making a joke, then smilies exist for a reason. I had no reason to suspect you were joking. So, perhaps you're not a troll, but I don't think you can blame me for thinking that.[/QUOTE]


I dont know what to say here, I keep thinking of this pic

I dont know what to say here, I keep thinking of this pic
Well, then we're all retards here. ;)

Yeah, you, me, and the title of this Thread!

BWAhahahahaha ... you have no idea how hard I held back on mentioning that missspelltedd word in the thread title.

Good one SP.

That was pure joking about Gore and the myth and global warming. See when your telling a funny story there is this thing called "tying it all together". We were talking about Al Gore's truthfullness,and that sprung into the subject of myths and i spun it back around with something called "delivery" into another touchy subject Al Gore supports.

AND

You are the 4th person to personally attack me over my post yet all you can argue about is a simple sentence i used to show the democrats biggest enemies are the "unofficial" spokespeople. I am willing to admitt i was wrong if you could manage to do a little thing like bring something to me to debate. Hell I even let the internet thing go,and kinda drew a truce on it. And to call me a troll was very mature. I so hope that the word Administrator under your name is a joke.I would hate to be called a troll by the administrator of a lrage operation like this simply because my opinion is not that of his liberal agenda

warrior1972, honey? Is that you? :eek:

[B][I][COLOR="Blue"]Well unfortunatly i believe the ignorance and close minded of us will put another republican in office.


Speak for yourself. And the chance of another republican president in '08 is slim to none.


I do lean right...

No kiddin' ? coulda fooled me ... rotf